Henry VIII hears Thomas Cromwell beg for his life | Wolf Hall - BBC

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Rafe reads Henry VIII the letter that Cromwell wrote, in an attempt to save his life, after he was arrested for treason.
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[@huolalupin6008]

What an incredible performance by Damian Lewis. A great, great actor.

[@marianneenoch4988]

A great actor here and in The Forsyte Saga.

[@lingmingching1]

I thought that was him. He is a great actor!

[@ORGAniZMs]

Mayor Winters is a good squad leader AND actor.

[@randyking3057]

The other guy is very good, also.

[@Wolfbane192]

The irony of Thomas Brodie-Sangster expressing someone’s desire for another to live forever young, when he’s achieved that feat himself.

[@aprilshowersstormtrooper]

The Three-Eyed Raven doesn’t age.

[@theaxe6198]

@@aprilshowersstormtrooperuntil this moment o didn’t realize it was the actor from game of the owns - not

[@dlxmarks]

He's also achieved Talulah Riley.

[@katdroidd]

I'm beginning to understand why Rafe had such a successful diplomatic career after this, he really learned by going through the fire

[@oliverpearson1577]

His name was Ralph, not Rafe.

[@ZorkerMajorcas]

Rafe Fiennes might disagree, Potter

[@Buttercup-kv4lh]

Damian Lewis portrays just about every facet of Henry VIII’s complex character in this scene. For example you can see in his eyes and tone of voice that he still has some affection for Cromwell as well Wolsey. And yet his pettiness and vindictiveness will not allow him to forgive them their “transgressions” against him. He also exhibits his vanity when he asks Sadler to reread the part about him living forever, he even smiles at the thought of it. He’s also reflective and sentimental. But in the end his ruthlessness won. Cromwell not only embarrassed him on the world stage with the Cleves affair but he was a constant reminder of Henry’s misdeeds.

[@StigmaX]

OH MAN RIGHT LOL BRB BEER SO WASTED LOL

[@YouTuber1303]

You can see in Rafe’s face and words how much he badly wants Henry to forgive and release his master, but he can’t risk himself by going too far with it.

[@jacquiepittet1757]

According to the book Cromwell instructed Rafe to step carefully to preserve his own life and status.

[@YouTuber1303]

@ then the actor did a great job of showing exactly that. Obviously took the good advice on board!

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

Wasn't he the boy in Love Actually?

[@sodori]

@DanBeech-ht7sw He is. The talented TBS

[@YouTuber1303]

@ he was. Well spotted.

[@JOXCY]

You can read Cromwell's full letter to the King online. Henry ultimately regretted his actions, and his reign never really operated as well as it did with Cromwell.

[@MarekMelša]

Link please...

[@Robert-nz3te]

Cromwell did so much for him and he repays Cromwell by murdering him.... Henry you are a very selfish man.

[@londonoverground]

He didn't regret killing Cromwell, he mourned the loss of a close ally. He was sorry for his own loss. He felt sorry for himself.

[@JOXCY]

@@londonoverground There are contemporary writings which literally state that he regretted the loss of his minister, and that Henry had been convinced of his guilt based on false pretexts and lies. Regret is absolutely the correct word.

[@miguelservetus9534]

Fascinating how someone, Cromwell, considered to be one of the most vile in British history can be rehabilitated through a novel. Cromwell was used by Henry to play one side off the other. Henry promoted commoners to high positions then abandoned them when the nobles were needed. Cromwell had few ethics, used his power for his and his family gain. But worse he was responsible for the deaths of many innocent people. Anne Boleyn being the prime example, and if if you don’t share his beliefs, Thomas More . More at least resigned rather than serve Henry. Sure Henry may have regretted needing to use Cromwell but if you believe other people can be manipulated, used and killed, it often turns on you. To me, rehabbing Cromwell is like excusing a plantation overseer. They chose to be the hand of an evil boss.

[@evandunstone3299]

I’m truely impressed by how faithfully they have adapted the text to the visual medium. Yes, the performances are excellent, but the screen play is of the same calibre. There is almost no interchange from the book that has been changed, just the way it has been presented. In the book, saddler is recounting this passage to Cromwell, and we already know what was written. Such a complete work of art, from the book, to the audio book, to the acted performance is almost unheard of. Stunning.

[@EvanDavies-p5b]

This might just be the finest portrayal of King Henry VIII in the history of the screen.

[@therevolvingmonk]

I get a little teary eyed at plenty of stuff in movies and TV but I was a weeping mess from this scene to the end of the finale. Rafe's quiet desperation and sadness was heartbreaking. Thomas Brodie-Sangster and Damian Lewis deserve a lot of awards for their performances this season.

[@brutusbarnabus8098]

what an emo! over a movie?? 😂

[@kiyankurji67]

His ghost in the form of Oliver Cromwell would wage vengeance against the monarchy.

[@dagnabbit6187]

Yank Tudor phile here . All the productions have been good but of course dramatic license was taken with every one of them . What is true is that as time went on no one was safe in Henry’s court . His deteriorating physical and mental health made sure of that . Allegedly he later regretted getting rid of Cromwell because the tediousness of the maintenance of a Kingdom started piling up on him and Cromwell had been very competent in handling that .

[@jacquiepittet1757]

So was Wolsey.

[@EMSpdx]

He also kinda regretted More as well.

[@doug6500]

Henry VIII was better suited to being a warrior king full-time, and he could have been up there with Edward III if Spurs had amounted to a proper chevauchée, and coordinated himself appropriately with Maximilian I.

[@stormhawk3319]

Not alleged at all, he mourned Cromwell’s death just days after and denounced the accusations against him as false. Too little too late.

[@datgrrl_official]

They really dinnae understand what yank referred to. You watch a BBC production on a subject that has naught to do with you yet cannae focus on the matter at hand...voting is but a miniscule part of being a responsible citizen. Run for office yourself, petition, volunteer. Do all you can and be all you can be before ignoring the plague released by your country upon the other 96% of the planet.

[@marcusmorehead7038]

I can’t believe We all have had to wait ten years for this second series! And we are still waiting for it here in the USA. I’m climbing the walls with these tid-bits of teasers!

[@tonyb9560]

If you serve a snake eventually you will get bitten.

[@gawddamnnotthisagain]

Hilary Mantel was quite kind to Cromwell, whom she revered for his anti-Catholic beliefs (which she openly shared). The fact is, Cromwell was somewhat of a snake himself and a keen enabler of Henry's tyranny. As a matter of fact, Cromwell paved the way for European absolutism, which is ironic considering the actions of his distant relative Oliver Cromwell a century later.

[@Beez-k7v]

Why would she admire Cromwell, when before his execution he said that he had converted back to the "original religion"?

[@magloyd4907]

Cromwell risked his life as part of the project to translate the bible into English from Latin, so that anyone could read it.

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

@@gawddamnnotthisagain Oliver Cromwell was a dictator himself.

[@gawddamnnotthisagain]

@ Cromwell said that to protect his family and retainers. He wasn't the only Catholic to ostensibly renounce his faith before his execution during the Tudor era. See, for example, the 4th Duke of Norfolk's execution under Elizabeth I.

[@MrBoneFixer]

Henry was an absolute monster

[@BMulk-s8m]

Far more important things to be concerned with than that!

[@MrBoneFixer]

True but I’m commenting on the video

[@David31567]

like other kings was any different ..Gustav Vasa of Sweden i bet Cromwell took the idea to strip the church ...Gustav Vasa also promised the "Dal-borna" (group ppl) reward if they fought the danes... When he became king , the Dal-borna asked for the reward and the Dalsborna got slaughtered when protested when Gustav Vasa brake his promise

[@jec1ny]

True. But Cromwell was his willing minion. I would not want to be in either of their shoes on the Last Day.

[@Beez-k7v]

Mentally ill IMO. I think he probably regretted the executions of his wives as well as Cromwell after they took place. But an estimated 70,000 executions during his reign is madness defined. Kings themselves have been known to have been snuffed for less.

[@Annie-cq3bi]

Oh , please read the bit where he begs for mercy again. The vile self regard and narcissism of an awful human being , using people then casting them aside. Cromwell was no Saint ,but he served a monster. Yet these people still exist today ,and behave exactly the same......... we have moved on very little when it comes to power...

[@andrerosa6470]

We should always forgive. Forgiveness is strainght, not weekness. Forgive is devine, fail is human, everybody knows that. Now, who never forgives it cannot be forgiven, except if he truly repent. One sign of repentance is never do the same bad thing again. Cromwell never forgive anyone, dont forgive Thomas Moore, George Boleyn and Anne, the Peregrinage of Grace, no one had is pardon, or tears. Just one who was burn alive, but he was his childwood friend. Cromwell dont feel sorry for no one of Henry VIII' victims. But ... when it came is time, he begs for mercy. Like most people of today he proved never love God or Jesus, because a person who feels closer to God, learns acepting death, and do not serve a king on the personal way. The people do what they told them to do, but the people its not like them, but some want to be. There is no treason, his fault was literaly Anne of Cleves. But mercy, he dont deserve it.

[@johnbryson1019]

Henry was the first Brexiteer.

[@GrimgoreIronhide]

Thats because human nature is eternal, the entire concept of 'moving on' is an invention of the ideology of progressivism.

[@thomast8539]

and yet, the Brits (and others) continue with the facade of royalty, believing that some humans are better than others by birth - ridiculous concept

[@Buconoir]

Trump comes to mind here in the states. We never learn.

[@charlessteinman2523]

Forgiveness of both Cromwell and Henry will always elude me. -C

[@DanBeech-ht7sw]

Not yours or mine to forgive.

[@jonathanjonathan7386]

dont think they will too worried

[@keithss67]

They say that Henry was very badly injured in a jousting contest and that he never fully recovered. It’s when he began to put on alit of weight and became very sedentary. They say his personality also changed dramatically and he became given to long fits of rage and mood swings and paranoia, and cruelty towards those who he felt were not loyal. It is believed he suffered some sort of traumatic brain injury that greatly and permanently altered his personality 🤷‍♂️

[@bradledoux6885]

His grandfather Edward IV also became obese though so Henry VIII could just be taking after his grandfather.

[@keithss67]

@ that’s wouldn’t account for his dramatic shift in personality after the injury.

[@jackmorrison7379]

Likely true, and he was early on a robust young King. His mind and his mood swings and declining health over years (including an oozing leg ulcer which never healed properly) led to a sedentary life. Weight gain and paranoia about the very real fragility of the Tudor dynasty, and his excommunication by Rome (though he still went only to Latin mass, a fact unknown to Hollywood and gen Z) all were part of the change to tyrant.

[@sugarjones731]

Not to mention a raging syphilis infection

[@keithss67]

@ I think it was his counterpart Francois the 1st of France who died of syphilis

[@MrBoneFixer]

I think this is one of the saddest scenes from this series (and possibly TV itself) here is a man who had done so much for Henry and the king could so easily free him but he’s playing with him; Henry was a monster

[@cheznardi]

This was an amazing show❤️❤️❤️

[@DeanPodstupka]

The nature of man,a king with the power of life and death.Enjoys a man pleading for his life.Nothing has changed.

[@Jay-nq2jl]

To me he will always be Dick Winters and for that he will live forever! Thank you Damian…

[@margo3367]

Cromwell was begging for his life after he’d been instrumental in sending numerous other people, including the Queen, to the gallows. That letter is a testament to his ultimate cowardice. He should have known his pleas would fall on deaf ears, having served a merciless King for years.

[@rileydavidson207]

Cromwell undeniably strengthened the realm. But doing so empowered one of England's worst tyrants. Cromwell is an interesting combination of intelligence, duty, loyalty and naiveté. All creating a very powerful administrator and statesman. I would not call Cromwell a coward. Someone who believed they truly did their duty to the realm in their actions. I sense a feeling of confusion in Cromwell in his letter, not truly understanding that Henry didn't understand his value. After Cromwells death was when Henry felt it. Which adds another layer of depth to their relationship.

[@renshiwu305]

@@rileydavidson207 It would not have been necessary to strengthen England's sea fortifications if England had not antagonized the papacy and the continental powers. The money collected from the dissolved monasteries was soon squandered, in the tradition of government thievery. The two worst periods of English tyranny involved a Cromwell: the Henrician Supremacy and the Commonwealth. Compare Cromwell's slavish begging from the Tower to Lavrenty Beriya, Soviet chief of secret police, begging not to be executed. Sir Thomas More and Bishop John Fisher didn't beg because they were decent men.

[@mjolnir4639]

@@renshiwu305 When has England not been antagonistic with European powers? Cromwell was one of those opposed to fighting France, while Italy, Venice, Spain, HRE etc. were constantly asking Henry to invade France on their behalf.

[@fp6889]

You miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Cromwell had little to lose and by reminding Henry of his service he had a chance to preserve his life and if not then at least give his son a better chance of surviving after Thomas' fall.

[@JasonFanny]

@@renshiwu305 someone's view of history is a little biased here...

[@maryw246]

Heartbreaking

[@mattrinck7503]

I'll say this for Henry. He never skipped a shoulder workout.

[@sarahprice659]

😂

[@YatzarEL-17]

Glad someone’s said this what a fine pare of royal delts

[@blacbraun]

(pssst it's all hot air in those sleeves, like in his belly)

[@sarahprice659]

@ 😆

[@d.l.l.6578]

Has anyone noticed that every person who had a close relationship with Henry VIII ended up with some awful death, usually blatantly unfair.

[@nopejoeandangie]

His former wife and later king's beloved sister Anne of Cleves got to chill in Heaver Castle for the rest of her life, Henry was a gent to her

[@Beez-k7v]

His reason for rejecting her was never clear to me. Some say that SHE rejected him when he appeared before her the first time incognito. Does that mean his ego couldn't handle her rejection?

[@Juro-lk7xf]

​@@Beez-k7v: It is possible that Anne of Cleves actually rejected Henry, and not vice versa. The king was at that time not exactly a handsome man anymore. However, what we know about this marriage today is not what actually happened but the history that was written by more powerful people.

[@melvert33]

Anne came from a very powerful German Duchy so Henry wouldn't have dared to execute her like Boleyn. He was a murderous spoilt brat who never grew up.

[@Buttercup-kv4lh]

Well oddly enough despite all the times the Duke of Suffolk disobeyed him, they remained close friends till the last.

[@bellabronte]

Henry enjoyed listening to Crums pleas for mercy. Its a sadistic power game for him. His ego needed stroking that is why he needed to hear about "being forever young". A prime example of a malignant narcissist.

[@jackmorrison7379]

In today's world, did anyone come to mind?

[@dimetime35c]

Kinda on Henry side here. If I could hear my worst enemy beg me to spare him not gonna lie id take some pleasure in both hearing it and then telling them they need to do better then that if they want mercy from me.

[@davidk7212]

@@jackmorrison7379 The dear leader of North Korea. Vladimir Putin. Maybe a few 3rd world warlords. That's it. If you think any elected leader of any 1st world country comes anywhere even remotely close to Henry VIII, you are blinded by your emotions or grossly misinformed.

[@davidk7212]

In today's world, Henry VIII would be lucky to be managing an Olive Garden while Cromwell would be the CEO of a Fortune500 company.

[@rosalynliddle1353]

Love this series

[@patrickwells8169]

Cromwell was a monster serving a monster and they both received their just wages.

[@anonymoushuman8962]

What a rich history we have. It makes me very proud to be English.

[@lipingrahman6648]

Henry did regret taking Cromwell’s head as he was a useful creature to the kings will. Well, we all make happy little accidents.

[@roobear78]

Henry was just the same as every other monarch at the time ruthless! So much plotting and scheming to get and keep the throne! Keeping it was no small feat considering loyalty was not a forgone conclussion even within his inner most circle and most of his court were powerful men in their own right with their own eye on the throne! Even close confidants can become threats if they get too high and mighty

[@jackmorrison7379]

Very true, and the Tudor dynasty had many adversaries, both domestic and foreign. It was never solid and ended up being replaced by the Stuarts of Scotland

[@egledavidsoniene5075]

Divine posesing voice of charming king Henry.

[@Healingharp88]

At the 1:29 mark. All I hear is a self-absorbed, mean girl saying "read the part where he says I'm pretty again." Flashes through my head first and everytime. Great acting throughout!

[@Dommie222]

Would love to see a prequel series about Henry VII's rise to power during the War of the Roses.

[@edward1676]

Funny how they can ask for mercy when it's their time..But rarely gives any!!

[@Beez-k7v]

Cromwell did what Henry wanted. Had Cromwell refused to do what Henry wanted done, he would have lost his life. No, resignation was not an option. That would have only resulted in the loss of his job as well as his life. Besides, Cromwell said he converted to the "original religion" just before he was executed. Call it Cromwell's revenge.

[@ChristAliveForevermore]

What, he reconverted to Catholicism?

[@jackmorrison7379]

You make that up? Cite a source. There was only the original religion in England while Henry was alive. Stop listening to Hollywood misinformation. The C of E was formed by the boy King Edward and his Protestant tutors and Archbishop Cranmer. ONLY when Henry was dead, and gone. Henry was an excommunicated RC and only an RC.

[@jakepeat690]

He said something of the sort before his execution, but it was likely to protect his family

[@BRITBRAT0207]

King Henry was a monster in fine clothes & riches. That infected leg was his karma for executions he brought upon these that counseled served him, and even honored to be by his side.

[@frankthefrankly8055]

we have all encountered monsters like Henry viii. Totally unreasonable and totally selfish.

[@onenote6619]

Cromwell was loyal to the very end. Henry was loyal to nothing but himself. When I learned about Henry VIII as a kid, he seemed somewhat cool and interesting. But having actually learned about him, he was the worst.

[@missym877]

Wow Thomas Brodie has grown up so much. He still looks young but he’s no longer so scrawny, the weight makes him look more his age

[@BobSlydell]

This actually looks better than The Tudors.

[@endospore6465]

Aye who put Henry on Ozempic?

[@donallally5504]

He didn't know King Henry the 8th like he thought

[@pexxos1]

These people are nothing more than Mafia bosses! Hysterical.

[@johnboyce8279]

I was a uni student when I figured that out. Every realm is no more than "our thing".

[@jonsmith2061]

The whole Feudal system was nothing more than a protection racket, where do you think the Mafia got the inspiration? The Crown's protection racket extended to the colonies. When thirteen colonies realized that the Crown was collecting payment without providing protection they left.

[@stephengrantham6877]

Better not to live under a monarch, then...

[@HarringtonArchonofOceana]

absolute monarch

[@EluminahArty]

Neither Holy man, Brainy man, Sinner or Saint, survived in Henrys Wolf Hall. But surprising that Henry could have survived with the loss of true or brave friends. As fate becomes the mirror of actions.

[@GhostSlayer81]

For the seconds, I thought that guy was LA Knight or Shamus lol .

[@for111]

It's a shame for they, lost their head...

[@a.t.c.3862]

Farewell Master Cromwell, 😔

[@delphinazizumbo8674]

this is NOT a very historically accurate Cromwell he was a hard man, who had no problem with all kinds of horror, except the horror of his own death

[@EluminahArty]

Bet Henry had to brick his bedroom door up even more at night, with only Nolfooke left around

[@andrewguest6941]

Wonder what would have happened if Henry Viii had released him from the tower

[@kellycochran6487]

IT'S FERB!

[@deborahkogan8742]

Poor Cromwell.

[@quietside3734]

I often wonder if Henry's many jousting and outdoor pursuit-based injuries affected his mental state. By all accounts, he took numerous head wounds, and was possibly rendered unconsious at one point. Some say he was mad with power, but there may have been more to it.

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

Why are you making out that you came up with that theory? lol.

[@adamrussell658]

Howd you get to be King then? end royalty

[@WinstonSmith-mu7ku]

It's a real shame that Greensleeves was the Christmas number one that year instead of Billy Mack, otherwise Ralph might have been able to sneak past the distracted Tower guards and rescue Cromwell!

[@PeterKavanagh-c8o]

It is believed that Henry weighed around thirty five stone in his later years.

[@sharonholdren7588]

I am reading the book right now in hope to finish before the show is broadcast (my understanding it's scheduled for March) so I won't be watching any of these shorts. Since I'm an Anglophile and a historian. None of it is new to me, except for the emotions I never expected to feel for these characters.

[@marybalcome2030]

The books were so incredible, I felt like I personally knew Thomas Cromwell. Despite his failings, I will find it difficult to watch this season.

[@RedOakCrow]

It was all to preserve the living, the temptation would be to spit fire but then he would have damned his own crew.

[@royheffernan1907]

You can't make a deal when your head is in the jaws of a Lion.

[@HarringtonArchonofOceana]

"When will the lesson be learned???" *thumps table*

[@shpp2024]

Henry the VIII was a psychotic king who regretted this decision almost immediately.

[@ikapustiv]

Moreover, he balmed the Council for it 😂😂😂

[@ryancarroll3957]

He did the same with Wolsey. He would succumb to his emotion, rage etc and get rid of someone, same with More, and then regret it and blame it on others around him who had 'manipulated him' but Henry VIII was very clever and intellectual nobody was going to pull the wool over his eyes. Nobody died without his say so. The monarch can spare who-ever they like, they actually theoretically have the same pardon power and commutation power today and so do most countries Presidents (some like Ireland have to do it on the advice of the PM only). Elizabeth I used this power a few times to spare people, Mary I used it for a few people, James I (rather sadistically, the first time) used it for Sir Walter. He just needed to re-invent history when it sinks in he lost a good chief minister.

[@EluminahArty]

When little girl objected to Thomas Moore's cruely subjected fate. Henry broke the table infront of her & landed blade 10 inches away from kneck. Cromwell was incredibly Noble, to not make Rafe, push it too far to his own harm. Effectively sacrificing his own blood 4 anothers freedoms rise history should redeem Cromwell as a Noble man & understand more to him.

[@chrisg5219]

Legitimately can't understand what you're trying to say.

[@EluminahArty]

@chrisg5219 Cromwell advised 'Rafe', not to make too much emotional plea to Henry, in case Henry lost it to Anger 😡 and also harmed Rafe. This was a really Noble and selfless action that Cromwell did to save his friend that he truly loved. But Cromwell knew that Henry had such a volatile temper, that he could even harm one of his own daughters if they questioned him to far. And so he knew how to protect Rafe from this temper

[@EluminahArty]

@chrisg5219 Cromwell was protecting Rafe from the Kings temper when he advised him not to object too hard to Henry's decisions. Because Cromwell loved Rafe. And he did not want to see him get hurt.

[@EluminahArty]

@chrisg5219 When you are standing in front of a very volatile tempered person of some Authority over you: then always play it by a very calm & detailed logic. The King did not go the full way to kill the little girl that questioned him. Because he knew biblically & politically that it is your own loss if you loose a holy friend...who would give you more loyalty. Therefore logic won out upon that day. In front of the tempest

[@craigk621]

All in the name of Love.... Actually

[@Skyebright1]

;)

[@KeithR2002]

Forgive me if i am wrong but is this not the same room/set where Thomas Shelby as his office as MP , where later his brothers and him meet Oswald Mosley ?

[@EluminahArty]

A Century or so later ' Oliver Cromwell ', gets his own back on Royalty With Democratic National Constitution. Right to happen for All men valued by minds talent like Cromwells, and not just by birth rank. ♥

[@fisherj5087]

Season 2 is out finally?

[@wokeeye6441]

Modern Version COPD Patient begging for united health care not to deny his Albuterol treatment "My sovereign Lord ..."

[@deb-1558]

My Sunday nights are boring again without Wolf Hall

[@WandehTso]

And some more 🙏👍😇

[@TheMuclusla]

I don't care what anybody says, Henry VIII was BLACK!

[@LordoftheSith]

😂

[@SJPMs]

Wow, what show!! ❤❤ Thank you BBC for showing this amazing series. I loved every second of this truly immersive and fascinating programme. Everything about this was world class; from the acting and cinematography down to the music and authenticity of the locations used for filming. IMHO your best yet. 👏f

[@jonathanjonathan7386]

apart from the ridiculous woke casting, it made me cringe

[@EluminahArty]

As With today's historys impact to the future fates : Henry would soon have to learn that ' little suck up yes men weazels, would bear him No bricked up bedroom door security, in their easy betraying manners. Should have kept Moore & Crom.

[@homeless854]

Hey!!! It’s the kid from Pullp Fiction!!! The guy with the “hand cannon” in the bathroom!!!

[@Dreadpirateflappy]

??

[@Conan_the_Based]

Colonel Winters certainly rose high in the ranks. I didn't even know you could become King of England in the US army.

[@anonymousskunk]

Could Henry VIII not read? Or did he just like the letter being read to him?

[@stormhawk3319]

You can sympathise and condemn Cromwell all at the same time, that’s what made him probably the most divisive figure in all of English history until Margaret Thatcher. Loved and loathed in equal measure.

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

LMAO, plenty of divisive figures between those two.

[@michaelv6870]

Is that the kid from Love Actually?

[@Skyebright1]

Yes

[@wendyyoung7950]

There is Wolf Hall, magnificent, then there is The Tudors, overblown and historically inaccurate rubbish

[@johnbryson1019]

A true pyschopath.

[@IchDienn]

❤They’re actors yes---But in no way do they Mock their heritage history or tradition, i cant help to be entertained by the seriousness in which they apply their English Pride to the play….

[@kirtflesher1603]

Screw Cromwell

[@Hypegreene05]

You did it to yourself Cromey. You set up Ann Bolen and this is your karma.

[@Skyebright1]

He did what Henry wanted

[@jakepeat690]

Don't know why everyone acts as if Anne was an innocent in all this, or at least the Boleyn faction if you assume she was influenced by her father and uncle. They had Catherine and Mary cast off, along with Wolsey condemned for treason. I'm sure they'd have had Mary killed if they could.

[@sethdekooters7567]

Cromwell shall remain in ignominy - a first order mean hypocrite.

[@MrElliotc02]

Coming in March to the U.S....

[@crazyjane6570]

Nice

[@FREEMAN....]

Henry VIII was the worst thing to ever happen to England and it affected the rest of the world up to this day.

[@cambs0181]

King John was worse.

[@jakepeat690]

Arguably what happened under Henry VIII paved the way for the British empire. Certainly by the end of Elizabeth's reign, isolation from Europe cemented England as a dominant naval power.

[@patrickjames1159]

People who are without mercy are to be loved as are even the most vile inhuman terrible humans if your heart is right. Mine needs help and I don't have the strength to see it that way. Only a complete surrender to Jesus can save me or any other weak man. I am to know and be at rest that all judgement belongs to God.

[@ereini0n]

It was better than most trash on TV, but colourblind casting turned this into a clown show that cannot be taken seriously.

[@michaeltaylor8835]

Don't mess with Henry

[@sicario7377]

A shocking lack of diversity from the BBC, Henry VIII should be black in order to reflect modern England and it's population demographic, terrible from the BBC... Just terrible

[@gordonbartlett1921]

I assume --or rather hope -- that this was made in jest.

[@cg5648]

😂

[@derps8690]

always gotta be about politics, yeah?

[@sicario7377]

@@derps8690 Yeah, gonna cry?

[@jacquiepittet1757]

Are you kidding? No one could be that ..... whatever

[@davidm1149]

And how does anyone know Cromwell's plea was not forged?

[@Nate-dn1gx]

Cromwell was in his 50s by then. This part is woefully miscast

[@Skyebright1]

Mark Rylance is 65, when the first season was cast they didn’t expect there to be a ten year gap between filming

[@shutinalley]

sounds like trump

[@Skyebright1]

Thomas Sangster Rafe’s actor agrees

[@moonie-zw5by]

Comparing a 21st century businessman who runs for president in a Republic to a 15th century absolute Monarch is not only a lazy but but fkn stupid comparison.

[@BMulk-s8m]

OT!! Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI!

[@iHaveOneOfEach]

It's less neurotic

[@BMulk-s8m]

@iHaveOneOfEach Hill's far superior comic talent stemmed from the fact that he came from.a show biz family.

[@nunyabiz1780]

Where's Kate? My AI chat bot agrees there's no credible evidence she lives.

[@IchDienn]

🇺🇸The world needs protective Nation loving Kings --the time for Monarchy has come again

[@kdaltex]

Monarchy has not saved Britain

[@cheapbruh9778]

wauw that was boring

[@BMulk-s8m]

OT!! Benny Hill considered funnier than Monty Python by two TV stations--WOR and WLVI!