Here Before I Have To Fight Sabres And MiG-15s

[@welsharmy123]

Getting shot down by a Roland in the mk24 is definitely one of the war thunder experiences of all time

[@mobiiuz129]

Real.

[@kingghidorah8106]

i once got shot down by a roland IN THE MIDLE OF THE MAP while i was on my ki83 at 6km of altitude... edit it was thr sea fury, one of the most dishonorable deaths, not as dishonorable as dying to a yak3u in it

[@legendbee9579]

How

[@TheUltimateEel]

I was shot down by my OWN airfield Roland in a F8F-B

[@frawfoot6321]

Dogfighting P-51H in Ta152H-1 about 6 km from his airfield and seeing a freaking missile flying towards me was an unforgettable experience

[@MCshadr217]

I can't wait to see the TKs. "You brought a prop to jets!"

[@ericpeterson541]

Happened before and will happen after.

[@daanstrik4293]

5:44 Oh no

[@石仔-t6t]

Very easily within his loo…🤣

[@dhmhtrhs.]

love these cuts

[@leiaorgana5098]

Deded

[@feniraken]

Anyways.

[@GeneralLee2000]

The insane compression is getting even worse 😂

[@darrenq.campbell3505]

Hey LEE, love your videos too, blessings!

[@Donkeymaster9000]

So the MiG-15bis getting a lower BR so it doesn’t fight Aim-9L’s is considered worse compression? This game is a mess lol

[@cookiecracker2]

​@@Donkeymaster9000what are you on about? What 9Ls? More like r60s lol

[@b0brik976]

@@Donkeymaster9000 Find me one reason why Mig-15s and sabres should fight against early WW2 jets, which they outclass in every way

[@Donkeymaster9000]

@@b0brik976 me 262 has access to a booster, harder hitting guns and 2 engines, if anything that jet could move up a whole BR so it’s not fighting props.

[@joezmoma19285]

"im not going to break off, we should be able to turn inside-"

[@slowtaco5245]

Critfire mk24

[@Tuhrue]

Hitfire mk 24

[@hunterhess8433]

Remember playing this thing with Hisparkos?

[@BerserkerLuke]

​@hunterhess8433 thanks for giving me ptsd...

[@ultravioletsus]

"hit"spanos

[@deadlywrath.8636]

that’s Hispanos or just about any 20mm cannon (except for the MG151/20 with air belts) experience for you

[@chicken5432]

Let's go mk24 vid As someone with 500 kills in this plane I can confirm this is the spitfire experience

[@sirswede366]

Is it the same/similar experience with the mk22?

[@thatoneguy1741]

⁠@@sirswede3666.7 is little more forgiving then 7.0 so I just fly the mk 22, also I just like the look of the mk22 more lol

[@sirswede366]

@@thatoneguy1741 yeah, there is a marketplace skin you can buy that’s similar to the Mk22s base skin

[@chicken5432]

@@sirswede366 no cus the spitfire mk22 doesn't have octane fuel I think the spitfire 22 shouldn't even be 6.7 cus it's waaaay weaker than the 24 and mostly gets uptiered The 22 is just worse than the 24 in every way because of the lack of octane and being overtiered

[@eVill420]

@@chicken5432 yea but less jets

[@smigoltime]

problem with the Spit 22 and 24 is they don't feel like spitfires at all... Heavy ass, lose a lot of speed in flat turn... Honestly I'd rather have a Mk.IXc there instead of the 24

[@HighjeX_]

True, the spits feel like they do cause they are light, the late spits are too heavy

[@QeteshThePony]

I-225s can even shred these things because of the energy loss compared to the 225

[@hubril7921]

LF Mk.IX at 7.0 when (it probably will still do better than the Mk24)

[@HeathrowAviator]

@@hubril7921 oh my god that thing is busted, climbs like a Lightning lmao

[@hubril7921]

@@HeathrowAviator XP-50 but it turns better and doesn't compress, surely my K4 is still good enough to take them on 2v1 along with P-51Hs and F4U-4Bs, right? (clueless)

[@EATSxBABIES]

Ah yes, spitfires vs Mig15s, just like the bad old days. Tune in next week when Gaijin reverts Ground back to make T54s fight Panthers.

[@michaelkoerner4578]

Shoot, I remember when the is4m and the m103 fought them.

[@danb4900]

Korean war?

[@xfajejznfhdj]

@@danb4900 Yes

[@DzinkyDzink]

This is outrageous! Superprops must have their own bracket, maybe with ocassional 6.3-6.7 VERY EARLY JETS, NO TRAINING PLANE BS.

[@program4215]

@@SA-ks3ex Sabres and Migs killing 7.0/7.3 jets will probably cause them to move down into the ~6.7 range due to bad statistics and push the playable part of the game further and further down.

[@leykauf5890]

13:28 HEY that's me zoomin from above

[@Armex_YT]

5:38 i saw that reference lmao 😂

[@JoelLinus]

Watchmen

[@kimjanek646]

From the protection analysis it shows that the Soviet 20mm FI-T rounds weighing 96g with 6.36g TNT equivalent deals more direct hit damage than the Hispano HEFI shell weighing 130g with 9.28g TNT equivalent. The Hispano shells deal damage in a wider area but because you can't fly with a missing wing or tail, the Soviet 20mm shell is more likely to kill a plane when it connects. Doesn't help that 1/2 or 1/3 of Hispano rounds are the practically useless SAPI shells, which just explode into confetti on impact, instead of penetrating armor or engine blocks. The damage from guns and the damage model just makes very little sense in WT because Gaijin can't figure out how a 20mm Incendiary round would take out a plane just as easy as a 20mm explosive, if not better.

[@reinbeers5322]

Most incendiaries are just fucked, MG151/20 IT shells do basically no damage.

[@kimjanek646]

@@reinbeers5322 They deal damage like 20mm Ball, but even that can't kill a pilot in one hit. There's even a US 20mm Incendiary round that in fact deals 0 damage.

[@sparkling925]

@@kimjanek646wasnt it the 50 cal m23 incendiary round that doesnt even pierce aircraft skin?

[@kimjanek646]

@@sparkling925 No, I'm talking about the 20mm Incendiary of the M24A1 cannons. M23 just turns into the smallest explosion on impact, dealing almost no damage while having little chance to even hit fuel tanks. Incendiary effect is very badly modeled, since a penetrating round just keeps the same incendiary properties like some RPG weapon that deals fire damage. When in reality incendiary effect should have a range based on the specific bullet type. In WT 12.7mm API can penetrate the entire wing of a bomber and hit the engine, setting them on fire, even though in RL the incendiary effect should only affect the impact zone, and the range depends how fast the bullet travels.

[@LURKTec]

@@SA-ks3ex>soviets get usable guns >screeching ensues

[@Roof_Korean.]

I’m mixed on these br changes tbh I’m mostly happy that I don’t have to fight mig21s, f100s, f104s, and other supersonic aircraft in my Sabre or mig 15

[@TTaikodom]

The problem will persist, Gaijin only downtiered the compression problem. Now, the Spit Mk 24 and other 7.3s, 7.0s and 7.7s will suffer like you did on the Mig15 vs 9.7.

[@unocualqu1era]

@@TTaikodom After I spaded the Mk24 Spitfire and it became one of my favorite airplanes Gaijin does this...

[@Roof_Korean.]

@@TTaikodom they really need to stretch out the br ranges they could keep everything all the 8.3 and 8.7s were they are then move all of the SuperSonics up and the modern jets up too to help stretch everything out

[@duncanmcgee13]

Instead of uptiering the strong planes they decided to downtier the average planes

[@Roof_Korean.]

@@duncanmcgee13 there no average there trash you cannot do anything against such planes when they go twice your top speed and have missiles I challenge you to try a Sabre

[@Frosty_43]

YES THANK YOU, I just asked for this. Love ya ❤ I’ve been playing it a little, and I feel that it’s much too good at fighting props, but when fighting jets, it’s absolutely dog shit because it’s so slow. I feel especially because it can fight SABRES AND MIG 15s is just.. not okay

[@TH3BUSHWOOKI3]

Really good vid defyn keep it up m8

[@Juho-uf8si]

people like ''flee to win'' make me really confused, couple of weeks ago someone was flying f111 the same manner and minute before he got missile up his ass he laughed at us ''thx for free sl hahaa byee'' while outrunning me, he got a lot of flak for having 0 score in the game tho.

[@cmdrTremyss]

That's the sign of serious ptsd

[@Faded._]

I'm jizzing cause I knew one day this vid would come and I love this aircraft

[@tristanharalambous6372]

I literally unlocked the mig15 bis yesterday so I'm happy about the changes

[@ghaythskyline6827]

Same here 😅

[@no-legjohnny3691]

I dunno, I've generally had a pretty good time using the Mk24 in recent times. The engine power is brilliant on WEP, giving you a climb speed roughly equivalent to the LF Mk9, a 500kph speed in level flight, but shines the most when diving on enemies since you can easily reach and hold 850kph chasing after a jet. The agility is phenomenal still, still giving you the advantage in turn fights against most prop planes in the rare downtier, and using WEP _really_ helps retain speed while turning. I usually bring 30min of fuel because lead-footing the throttle is what really brings the performance up with this, and the Griffon absolutely CHUGS fuel for a prop engine, so it's kinda necessary. And if nothing else, the 4×20mm guns makes sure that you're outgunned by very few enemies. I generally like to climb to 4000/5000m altitude and try to either slap enemies in head-ons in equal altitude or jump on jets lower than me by diving since you can relatively maintain a speed faster than early jets if you really try to just absolutely yeet the airframe in a dive.

[@Mackerel1313]

I don't know about the rest of this but I freaking HATE vanilla 20mm hispanos. Like the Swedish belt is fine, but for some reason, British belt hispanos never worked for me.

[@no-legjohnny3691]

@@Mackerel1313 I've just stuck with the air belts and spray them with fairly liberal use of the trigger. The HE works good, but the SAPHE is normally what kills it for the guns, since they do less damage and require more dense airframes to detonate. However, since you're fighting jets, you get some fairly large sections of the plane that are perfect for SAPHE, like engines in the wings or central fuselage, or large and easy to hit fuel tanks. If you don't gack them on the first pass, you've usually crippled them enough to easily kill them with the second.

[@aytkyc1701]

@@Mackerel1313 Use ground or stealth belts. Everything else is broken.

[@aytkyc1701]

@@SA-ks3ex It works quite good on Hispanos specifically, especially MK V. One burst either cuts off wings or goes through the whole engine compartment with ease.

[@whoflerdude1855]

YES I ASKED FOR THIS IT WAS ALL ME THANK YOU DEFYN

[@hindd_05]

i saw you playing this yesterday! fun to see my username flying around in a YT video.

[@LucidityValue]

It's all because of compression from the starfighter, all aspect missiles and things like that, making early jets not fun

[@Jonathan-oe5vz]

Even the F104 suffers from compression. Downtiers are fantastic while uptiers are missile mayhem. Moving the F104 either direction would cause problems meaning it’s weirdly enough balanced.

[@marioaugusto8313]

I remember when this spit was the meta in Clan Battles using the RP3s rockets

[@Dave-_-]

you don't have the balls to try out the G8N1 👹

[@liamboyle9199]

Get him to have fun in the ki67 first before the big old bird😂

[@cmdrTremyss]

@@liamboyle9199 You can reliably take 2/3 of a base once you grinded your biggest bombs.

[@epoul]

12:50 War thunder: adds streamer mode to hide id / War thunder players: Are you Defyn?

[@GrybbC]

Defyn's signature red left wingtip and overall above average skill betrays his anonymity.

[@Tuhrue]

Finally, my prayers have been answered. Sorry if it caused you any pain😭

[@Fuzeha]

8:15 believe it or not that was the 4.3 Israeli spitfire

[@k1lder346]

I myself love Mk.24, although I mostly play it in Ground Realistic. There it can dominate skies and with its bombs you can kill some tanks too

[@AkiUwUx3]

I _was_ in the under 30 minute club, until I fell asleep watching and someone woke me up 6 hours later

[@st.hyperion4434]

Our game no Soviet bias: BI:

[@pko6596]

the last kill of the video was a politcal statement

[@diegowushu]

Damn, this was pretty painful. Seems like I'm sticking to the plan and stopping my England career at the Mk XIVe. Maybe I'll do a Sea Fire.

[@danb4900]

Meteor Mk 3 was a beast for me a couple years back. That BR seems like a shithole now.

[@rainsilent]

Dropping prop pitch to around 80% will allow you to perma WEP without overheating on most maps while still having/using most of your WEP power.

[@michaelterpea6283]

I was actually keen to what would've happened against the BI had it not cut into your circle.

[@DEFYN]

The same lmao

[@pedromedeiros4955]

At the same time that is overtiered, if you put it at 6.7, it will be able to bully 5.7 at the occasional downtiers, so for gameplay balance maybe is good that is 7.0.

[@RaptorRex352]

its funny that this is his first proper video on a griffon

[@RaptorRex352]

@@SA-ks3ex he mentioned before that the Mk XIV feels mid compared to the LF cause they're the same br but the LF has better low alt performance for the meta, I personally do love the XIV but I kinda agree with what he says about it

[@rainsilent]

@@SA-ks3ex Even if you can have dogfights at 6km+ they still rarely happen. 5km and below the LF.IX outperforms every 5.7 Griffon in every metric, some noticeably, but speed where it is less than 30kmh slower.

[@MZ-sr2xr]

Wow, you have genuinely amazing aim

[@ale69420]

Watch Gaiji add the Spitefull and SeaFang at 8.0 💀

[@RyzawaCh]

finally got around to playing it myself right before the br change announcement, i may have caused the compression because gaijin hates me but i'll take the defyn video in return

[@bardmleczny6865]

i actually waited for this video

[@Gibbo263]

We desperately need decompression and for anything with all aspects IRs to be at least 10.3

[@dylanmonnelly9539]

yea i wish it was different for this craft, the brit LF mk9 with that race gas at 5.3 is super fun

[@legendaryleon6270]

I cant imagine how painful the stock grind on this would probably be

[@cheekibreeki4638]

The 22 has been fun. You do even better if you get the Rhodesian skin from WT live.

[@Regret696]

The BI is so absolutely busted. It's flight model is literally based in unicorns and rainbows.

[@teamfall4684]

whats with p51h and being passive, like i have seen so many passive p51h, they have all the advantages and run away?????????

[@DEFYN]

Its honestly incredible And then they run into a yak3u and dogfight it out of all things

[@no-legjohnny3691]

Seriously, out of all the types of players I've fought in this game, somehow the 51H players manage to be one of the top of the list in terms of just how absolutely frustrating they are in general gameplay. Whether it's 3 bastards tag-teaming you when you're playing a crappy Soviet plane, running away like a yellow-bellied coward at even the slightest threat, or just generally playing like an absolute rat, there are many ways those players have managed to legitimately piss me off.

[@no-legjohnny3691]

@@SA-ks3ex Not in air battles, cause those guys generally have a problem of overcommitting rather than being cowards. I can't even count the number of times someone in a Bf 109, Fw 190, or Do 335 has tried to dogfight me while I was flying a VASTLY better turning aircraft. Or the instances where a German plane stuck the head-on a little too fiercely and got walloped by a storm of 20mm.

[@artos9406]

@@SA-ks3ex try saying that aganist old german me 262 teams, they were destroying allies for some reason while having woorse jet

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

put alot of hours in squibbs back in the day in that plane

[@ads2978]

Was wild to see barely anyone actually discussing br compression around the update plans Just add 2 or 3 br higher and do it properly, theres so much potential for better gameplay Sim getting totally ignored again, incl in this planned change I just got the japanese sabre w 9Bs - sim bracket changed and was lowest entry into 9.3-10.3 Nothing i could do against any enemy - but managed to sling both aams out and catch 2 kfir canards in as many minutes

[@abriannaaguilera2123]

There is something unholy and disturbing about a spitfire without paint.

[@mayonotes9849]

That Hit_To_Win dude plays extremely safe and scummy, very much a stat paddler.

[@kiki7170]

I think you should better play F-84F before it become even worse (lmao)

[@DEFYN]

nah I am chilling lmao

[@liamboyle9199]

Been enjoying this thing in a ground line up where you are more likely face stuff you can confidentally send back to the hanger. Cant imagine actually wanting to fly this thing in Air RB though😂

[@StealthCloudchaser]

Honestly the fact that Gaijin gave it that high of a battle rating and not even the MK V Hispanos as an upgrade on the modifications says alot about how much they care about Prop balancing.

[@program4215]

With the Sabres and Migs moving down, player performance statistics in early jets at 7.0 and 7.3 will drop, prompting cascade BR reductions that will first ripple into high-tier props, and top tier will finally have succeeded in spreading its corruption throughout the entire game, rendering it unplayable.

[@gemes-EDZ]

thanks it was a nice video

[@POTATO-lw4cy]

DEFYN YOURE THE BEST

[@driftmas1933]

It's not the size of the pilot in the plane. It's the size of the plane in the pilot.

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

You could fly the other suffering griphon spitfire, the clipped wing Mk14. Not the seafires, we don't talk about those

[@kRIEG_elf]

FR 47 is my favourite plane in the game. Been asking for a video FOR EVER. Tho I agree it's too obscure to cover lol

[@Turk3YbAstEr]

@@SA-ks3ex mk16 is the clipped wing merlin, there's a premium clipped wing mk14 with a griffon

[@julianjones1130]

Love the MK24 hate the compression

[@Riotality]

Unreal, I've only just unlocked this thing and have been scouring YT for a video on it :D Coming in clutch with this one :D

[@thickboi7570]

“Critical hit”

[@rendycoya]

now defyn,play the Seafire FR47 ,you know you want to..hehe..... (is very fun to face p51h in it)

[@DEFYN]

Man 😭

[@martinp3202]

as a spit 24 player with over 3000 air rb kills and only 700 deaths with it, i think its an alright plane. Honestly enjoy playing it vs jets (actually prefer vs jets with the spit 24 than vs props). Never hang at low alt, I always climb then I dive on jet that dont suspect you coming (with the spit 24 i usually dive up to 860km/h IAS without snapping wings or even locking up, and you can keep up with most jets at the BR it's set at), essentially just boom and zoom which is a good old classic technique Also i rarely over heat using MEC, I can use constant WEP for like 10 mins without any issues Spit 24 is a good plane if you play it correctly, but most players don't and then they start talking shit about it and how bad it is :((

[@hubril7921]

the amount of bozos crying about the BI at 6.7 being 'balanced' because it has 2 low ammo shvaks that according to them, 'do no damage', is almost hilarious

[@thkhah6831]

Lets gooo, a mk24 video

[@magicelf7559]

So what you're saying is that the Mk24 deserves to be 7.3 it's that good?

[@jaiell2049]

I ironically agree

[@keith_c]

10+ year's and hisparkos and stealth is still the go to 🤷‍♂️

[@SteelxWolf]

Crazy the 24 used to be a menace

[@Zelectrocutica]

"Used to be" do you mean a decades ago?

[@SteelxWolf]

@@Zelectrocutica yes, captain obvious. I have played the game for a decade and remember it vividly.

[@xfajejznfhdj]

It still is, but now it has to face jets instead of other props

[@daenery2471]

Can't wait to try the mk24. The XIVe os already amazing. Does everything i want it to do

[@Jackahoo2]

Players: complain about br compression Gaijin:makes it worse and refuses to elaborate.

[@Bf109F-4lover]

Ok so good luck to german mains (including me) at kinda having fun and trying to spade the Me 262.

[@mcbgaming95]

Damn did that bI just out turn a spitfire?

[@francogaray2649]

05:44 how tf did he turned so quickly, didn't that thing compress a lot at high speed?, he was coming from a dive lol

[@kingghidorah8106]

all we can hope is that these changes put the spitfire mk24 at 6.7 where it belongs.

[@flamepanzer1767]

Honest question, I'm curious as to how you change the super charger gears, and things like how open the radiators are and whatnot? And what the benefits of the super charger gears are, I get radiator, but not those.

[@rainsilent]

MEC. You have to set the buttons to do it but you can find it in the controls if you look under full real. As for the benefits of supercharger gears? Higher gears are for higher alts. The alt you change gears changes on a by plane basis.

[@Llamanator_]

Any chance to get some hunter f6 gameplay? SRAAMs are honestly really fun to use.

[@derletztecenturioxd6866]

Could you try the d4y2 from the japanese tech tree ? It´s very maneuverable, got decent speed and air to air rockets

[@maxwiseman5537]

THANK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[@anigamh102]

Should be super prop br only

[@Junkyard22]

WE ARE GETTING OUT OF DECOMPRESSION WITH THIS ONE🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@HighjeX_]

Damn we got a mk24 video bois lets gooo

[@NotAdventure]

hi defyn

[@mochabear88]

perplexing

[@fulturk4306]

What would decompression look like?

[@0GTXR]

BI should be put at Komet BRs No I don't care that it locks up at high speed, get your opponent to low speed

[@mr.poobear99]

lol so the first jet ever can now see the ___ insert number of jets that are going to be at 8.0

[@LofiStation-nj9hf]

hey i joined war thunder a little over a month ago and i would love it if you could teach me how you play?

[@interpl6089]

Atleast the Korean war fighters will be great again...MiG-15 vs F-86 all the way after the BR changes.

[@Epic_candle]

Finally mk24 video

[@anthonyortiz6189]

P-51H is arguably the best in gane

[@TransportSupremo]

A2D

[@SwissCowboy87]

and the pilots are the worst

[@jfv2312]

In the right hands, the P-51H is untouchable against other props, including the Mk.24. But most people don't bother exploiting its vertical energy retention

[@urmum3773]

Nah, I'd win

[@chompskii9866]

20mms at 1.3? Try out the AR 196 A-5, Sweden.

[@spycrab1403]

Could you do the seafire fr 47?

[@maxwiseman5537]

i firmlky bellieve the spitfire mk 24 is the best prop fighter in the game BUT the p51H is better FOR ITS BR i think if it were spitfire mk 24 vs the p51H the spitfire would poop on it in any situation, mustqang is running away? break off, mustang is dogfighting u dogfigt it (ur a spitfire) if it wants to energy fight you dive (you are really good at leveling energy). i played it for weeks when trying to get into rank V i genurinly think its the best prop fighter in the game.

[@dexceptionise]

always a good day when defyn posts a video

[@rougelemon7587]

5:45 Oh no, Anyway

[@kyaucu6857]

Does Gaijin take time to give the decal from the link? I used the link and I got the golden eagles but not the decal. I've looked every where in the customization for the vehicles but didn't see anything new. ;-;

[@DEFYN]

Its under logotypes under the special tab

[@kyaucu6857]

​@@DEFYN I looked it's still not there ;-;

[@thatwoffle]

6:42 why the hell did that F2G have his gear out lmfao

[@Raphix]

Landing gear on Corsair is designed as a speed brake, it doesn't rip

[@shahramtondkarmobarakie1824]

historically and in-game landing gear for corsairs is used as an air-brake it doesnt rip

[@tomatoflight]

Now play the squadron me-262 next. It's going to be facing F-sabres and 15bis's

[@DEFYN]

it already does

[@palidian]

how is a 7.0 fighting a 5.7 clipped wing spitfire?