Here's what Honig says 'blew his mind' during final day of testimony in Trump trial

CNN senior legal analyst Elie Honig reacts to the prosecution and defense arguing about how jury instructions should proceed in former president Donald Trump’s hush money trial.#CNN #News

[@lesparker6752]

All sorts of people keep saying "This has never happened before." or "This is unprecedented." But so is a President (now former) committing so many obvious crimes and then trying to hide them (obstruction). Don't do the crimes if you're not willing to do the time.

[@thehvachacker]

He committed so many crimes the prosecution doesnt want to say the actual crime

[@TeddyB_RP]

Anyone who thinks he's "obviously guilty" in this case hasn't actually been paying attention. Is he guilty of some crimes somewhere in general? Probably. But this case is so convoluted and clearly politically motivated. Their claim is that he knew 100% what the money he was paying Cohen was for, that it was 100% for campaign purposes (with no personal motivations), and that he intentionally falsified paperwork to make it look like it was just legal fees and not campaign fees. Yet during the trial Cohen admitted to stealing over $30,000 from the exact payments that the prosecution is claiming Trump knew where every dollar was going from. Obviously not or he would have noticed $30k-60k missing. Past that he is not the one that files his own business/campaign paperwork. And then on top of all that even if he was guilty of all this, this is, and has always been, a misdemeanor, but in this case they are trying to make it a felony just because it's Trump. This whole trial is obviously a partisan scam and it's so outlandish that it's pushing away lifetime Democrats like myself from the party.

[@CraftyGrandmaDem]

Trump feels like he should be able to do whatever he wants because he was president. But this crime was from when he was running for president, so the immunity shouldn't count. Unless our corrupt s. court says Trump has total immunity before, during and after his presidency. Vote Biden/Blue all the way down the ballot. Then we'll have time for all of Trump's trials and maybe we can clean up a corrupt s. court too.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@thehvachacker they can't - its a buffet - the legal system is not built to record the volume - the guy is a waddling crime spree . I remember I used to say felony a day but that was no way near enough

[@JT-yz4rj]

Worse has happened before. In my first election, the sitting President was impeached and found guilty of perjury, abuse of power, etc. Lied in front of a grand jury. He finished his term and served no time. Of course, he was from the legally privilege(D) party. I’ll still gladly vote Trump.

[@mikaelcronholm]

Costello was a present to prosecutors. Thanks Donald! 😊

[@jenny6253]

Only because the judge wouldn’t let him finish a sentence-but the jury knows!

[@bernardgagnon1626]

​​@@jenny6253get real. You're right though, the jury knows that the witness and his obnoxious behavior was BS

[@mark-ish]

​@@jenny6253Jenny, you forgot to mention what-about, windmills and hannibal lecter. Must try harder. Your grade F.

[@XYOBGYN-fb7bb]

How can you possibly say that Costello had a good day. It was a disaster. That, and Elie ‘s obvious bias, is why I’m done with CNN. Get a better evaluation at Meidas Touch.

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Agreed

[@Shanjuran33]

Right. Which side are they really on. Pathetic.

[@cherifernandez3667]

Exactly. Meidas Touch has journalistic integrity and deliver the news with facts and data to back it up 💙

[@dcbunker1648]

Meidas is Nothing but Bullshit!

[@MrMatt531]

Just accept the truth and lose your TDS 😊

[@stealthhumor]

The commentators describe the trial as a contest between two evenly matched foes and a case that could go either way, a nail-biter. I’ve read the transcripts, and one thing is sure: the attorneys are all pros, all of them better than good. However, the prosecution built a strong case, and the defense is handicapped by not having one; Michael Cohen did air his sordid history and casual relation with the truth, but every salient point he made was corroborated in triplicate. Costello was a sour note in the defense, which was little more than the character assassination of Michael Cohen. The case is not complicated. If Donald Trump falsified business records intending to influence the election, he committed a crime. He did that. If any jury wants more than the evidence presented here, nobody would ever be convicted of anything. Of course., I thought OJ did it.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Exactly - if they can not get a guilty verdict from this trial - it probably never should have been tried in the first place -

[@dm-31024]

Following Harry Litman - talking feds ❤

[@jackscrafts9202]

Elie May Honig is so MAGA. He will be one of the 1st to click his heels and salute Von Trump.

[@gloriawalker2451]

💯

[@stephenbranson3902]

If you're poor and innocent you could be found guilty. If you're rich and guilty you can be found not guilty. Money talks and bull shit walks.

[@TxChristopher]

Evidence talks and bullshit goes nowhere. This case was pure bullshit!

[@robertmorales5572]

Unfortunately

[@jp-nn6vr]

Not if you believe in the jury system and thatz all we got

[@gracemunich1476]

@@jp-nn6vrYes, we can believe in our jury system and HOPE that the defense did not get to them…..with threats, etc. Remember that Jared’s Criminal father interfered with. juror and landed in jail. Who knows what Jared et al are doing. l do not put anything past this grifter criminal family.

[@enjoytheview-d1d]

In some cases, but certainly not in all cases.

[@redcomet0079]

Costello ruined the defense’s chances

[@gene-wh9oq]

Trump voluntarily not testifying is almost equivalent to pleading the 5th.

[@ThomasJohnson-qg2vz]

defendants. virtually never testify

[@daylehere]

@@ThomasJohnson-qg2vzThat may or may not be true but in this case Dump said many times that he WOULD testify. So why didn’t he?

[@worldwithouttime]

it's not "almost" it *is* pleading the fifth. That's where the right to not testify comes from!

[@viking722nj]

Costello did an awesome job of corroborating Michael Cohen's testimony!

[@pjpredhomme7699]

What could they have possibly have been thinking to offer him as a defense ? knowing all those emails would be included ?? WTF

[@bradhombre6912]

What blew Honig's mind wasn't the prosecution finding video evidence that backed up Cohen's story about phone call? It also wasn't the prosecution showing emails from Costello that showed he was working on behalf of Trump and Rudy the whole time he was talking to Cohen just like Cohen suspected? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. His analysis has been pretty poor and biased for the defense throughout.

[@risajoe]

He has been biased throughout this whole trial. He doesn't think the case should've been brought, and therefore, everything he says is skewed.

[@Hoof.Arted85]

@@risajoesounds like you guys are the bias ones.

[@nerakar6562]

Imagine being so delusional that you’re starting to think that even CNN is biased towards Trump 😩🤡🤦🏾‍♂️ maybe it’s time to step out of your liberal bubble and back to reality to realize that you have been investigating this man since 2015 trying to find something ANYTHING 🤡 There is not a single person who would survive nine years of investigation from all the three agencies of the federal government as well as state prosecutors including wires tapping and blackmailing his employees and people around him for dirt. When are you guys going to accept the fact the Trump is clean because I swear all of you crying that he has done so much crimes and should be behind bars by now would not survive a three minute investigation from the FBI before they find some weed or Coke in your drawer 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jlighter1]

I’ve honestly been glad to have his takes to temper my expectations about the case. Not because he’s arguing the defense’s side in any of these discussions, but because he’s pointing out issues for the prosecution that, in general, aren’t unreasonable ones to call out. He’s framing those in legal terms as opposed to the MAGA histrionics about it being impossible to get a fair trial in New York. I don’t necessarily like him, but I like having the counterpoint in the discussion.

[@bjornlangoren3002]

​@@Hoof.Arted85unlike you, they actually mention actual events that happened to support their conclusion. Which is not a show of bias. You on the hand, got exactly nothing.

[@NoHandleTexas]

So dumb to complain about being gagged and consistently speak outside of court and stay quiet when he has a chance to speak in court.

[@christopherweise438]

The defense rested without the defendant speaking. They KNOW he will perjure himself and blow up their defense.

[@civilization57]

So dumb to exercise his civil rights.

[@todddillon613]

Moron #1

[@EthanLomas]

@@todddillon613

[@shaunameyer1808]

I don’t think it’s the same thing. No lawyer wants their client to testify. No No

[@andrewboyling2628]

Honig auditioning for Trump again.

[@cynthiaparsley3511]

I see your comment EVEN BEFORE I watch this Honig “LEGAL OPINION “ I respect but only when you’re truly HONEST 🤷‍♀️

[@emed1977]

I think CNN needs to have this guy pee in a cup.

[@hjomnp09mgh]

He's such an ass, I just stopped to watch for a minute to see what bozo opinion comes out of his mouth.

[@gerade-aus]

Elie is a trump fanboy, who knows his motivation.

[@gerade-aus]

Elio is a trumO fanboy. Who knows his motivation? Mispelluns for the algo.

[@megwysatta7393]

Costello had an awful day today. His emails alone! I don’t get this commentary. Not very informative. Trump was never going to testify, ever.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@macsmith2013]

CNN is in hardcore both-siding-mode, as to appease Trump before their debate, and to secure their future as a news outlet when Trump gets into power and kills the freedom of the press, as he said he would a couple of times.

[@emilerose1424]

@@Cp3786 It's not Democrats. Anyone who loves the promise of democracy is panicking, regardless of party. The only people not panicking are people more driven by hatred of others than by love of self.

[@jamesgardiner6749]

When he speaks outside the courtroom he can spew whatever lies he wants. If he were to testify in his own defense he would be under oath, and thus liable for a perjury charge if he strays away from the truth.

[@randy_cbc8811]

@@Cp3786 not just Democrats, who happen to be American citizens like yourself. But independents and some Republicans are not fans of Trump either. And don't count your chickens just yet, there's still a long ways to go before Election Day. He is a dire threat to democracy and will not be reelected. MAGA is a minority who needs help from other voting blocs to get Trump in.

[@blk357]

The worst thing is that so many people want trump to be president no matter how despicable he is.

[@Channel--Ai]

Zombie biden worse is why

[@drowningpooralice5505]

The worst is wanting him convicted no matter how innocent he is. That's not America.

[@ianmangham4570]

Fantastic ain't it TRUMP ❤

[@ianmangham4570]

​@@drowningpooralice5505Real Talk ,they fear reality so much 😅

[@KptKrunch9481]

What's he innocent of?

[@mrshp2392]

Eli are you mad the prosecutors didn’t do to bad

[@sixbladeknife44]

He sounds like a little butt hurt MAGA baby.

[@kieronjohnson8834]

I think Haberman has got this one wrong. How can Costello's testimony and demeanor push a jury towards doubt about Trump's guilt? And where is all this talk of a hung jury? She's writing a novel at this point.

[@jenny6253]

Because the jury can see how unfair his rulings have been to the defence!

[@kieronjohnson8834]

@@jenny6253 Get a clue. The judge has exercised restraint. Any other defendant with 10 seperate counts of contempt would be cooling his heels in a cell. Trump gets a pass at every abuse of legal procedure. Because ex-president. You'd be screaming 'political bias' if Trump were treated by the justice system like any other criminal.

[@jenny6253]

@@kieronjohnson8834 anyone else wouldn’t have even been charged!!

[@dr.n.]

Honig is a clear Trump supporter and the lousiest legal analyst on cable network. It’s obvious why he can’t find a real job in the legal profession. He’s terrible. Geez🙈.

[@delmonicofarquhar9893]

That undercurrent you hear isn't the bald guy wheezing. It's all the flies on the wall singing in chorus, "He's guilty as hell."

[@1indefinitetruth]

😂😂

[@ladybeetle245]

Maggie Haberman thinks the prosecution will have a hard time getting a conviction, whereas trump has a very strong case against him. Haberman is wrong. The defense blew the case.

[@dogsrule2075]

Haberman an is a political analyst not a lawyer. She says a lot of words but often says not much.

[@dogsrule2075]

@@WhoisMarcAnthony I see zero reasonable doubt. He did it and he knew about it. Why not testify then?

[@PabloTheThinker]

@@dogsrule2075There’s plenty of reasonable doubt.

[@dogsrule2075]

@@PabloTheThinker such as? Please share

[@freeflyer6170]

She is arrogant and obnoxious. No doubt smart, …..just not as smart as she thinks.

[@michaelmann8800]

Maggie wanted to slap TF out of Baldy.

[@MilankaMilosevic-l4u]

Clap your Hands - Sia 🙂👏👏👏👏

[@bluecatreal]

She isn't used to facts

[@wilmabrand321]

Micheal Cohen did not have a couple of bad days. I think he kick ass🇨🇦

[@bjornlangoren3002]

Good thing Eli is not under oath.

[@jackchn23]

09:07 “hang on”. Hahaha! Love it! That guy is not used to being told to shut up!

[@anthonypanneton923]

When they bring in that bald guy, that's when I click outta here...

[@williamwinn948]

We know you do.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@allyfire7915]

The jurors are not traitors Guilty is the only answer.

[@allyfire7915]

If Trump doesn't testify then the only verdict is Guilty.

[@joenot5746]

The jurors have it. 12 people. It’s only their decision that matters. All pontificating is irrelevant on both sides.

[@JorgeMunozJr]

That bald guy is so annoying

[@margaretsouter5666]

I am so disappointed with this discussion for a minute I thought i was watching fox. When i looked at a lot of tne comments i realize i wasnt the only one.

[@charlesdemers872]

CNN has not YET joined the Fox clone group. Yet, CNN has a solid position in the Fox WANNABE group.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

When the discovery channel guy bought CNN his stated goal was to be like faux news - he's getting there

[@vvghjjh45]

Yes, I’m sure someone’s unbiased opinion on a matter within his profession is jarring to you. Quite a change up from the usual CNN propaganda to appease their sheep (you).

[@loftonrudolph7586]

Maggie Haberman is a bit arrogant to me. I generally ignore whatever she is saying because she's got too much ego in the game. I do not think she is trustworthy or some kind of political guru.

[@mr-boo]

It's funny how literally _nobody_ believed Trump would testify. We have arrived at the point where Trump's words mean literally nothing, and if anything, the opposite of what they would normally mean. A great quality for a president indeed...

[@davidgarsia5105]

Dumb people don’t do research Trump 24🎉

[@jermelpurse3018]

CNN, please stop bringing the lawyer leans to the Republican side of things on air. I don’t mind having the political debate back-and-forth between both parties, but for this segment, I would rather hear from independent parties. Only this guy clearly favors Donald Trump every response he gives tears a hole in the prosecution and supports Donald Trump in someway. He’s not in partial. Bring him back on a segment where you have someone who leans to the left and he can lean to the right and let them fight it out, but in this segment, keep it independent

[@Iamabot2119]

lol yes and I bet most these other people are Biden supporters

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

I stopped following him.

[@breezybreeze12]

I like his perspective. CNN, ignore this comment

[@theressareynolds3621]

Donald Trump will be convicted!

[@eldenringer6466]

CNN NEW OWNER is a republican trump doner so yeah thats why its full of trumpers lying as they breath. CNN is complicit in ending democracy but trump wont remember that when he arrests them all lol

[@joelgarcia3907]

Who is this pro trump lady who keeps saying I don’t know how the jury felt about that. Of course you won’t but you can sorta guess based on how you feel when you found out. And Costello performing better today??? Really??

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@karenpotts2212]

The trial was about election interference sure , but in 2016.. However MAGA are so stupid Trump shouldn't have bothered.

[@swoondrones]

He's a wimp. He was never going to testify. He never meant to.

[@jenny6253]

When the judge is clearly siding with the prosecution- he would have been nuts to testify!!

[@noelpaintonsmith8091]

CNN: Can you PLEASE get a right-leaning "expert" that has a LESS ANNOYING manner? I, for one, appreciate hearing both sides' view point, but this guy just grates on my nerves so badly that I can't concentrate on what he's saying.

[@bradhombre6912]

Which one? The whole guest panel was carrying water for Trump. Both of the men were shilling hard for Trump. Maggie tried to give "both sides", but by doing so, she distorted things in Trump's favor to create an artificial balance.

[@janmacky6511]

Exactly CNN IS GOING TO THE RIGHT. ANOTHER DESPICABLE FAKE NEWS! Anderson is really disgusting too - he use to be decent but CNN dragging them down

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@caliconfessions1075]

Your displaying signs of TDS it has been spreading since 2016

[@ahniiso5642]

@@Cp3786shut up troll

[@ryanpatrick5042]

When Trump starts quoting you outside the courtroom, it shows you have truly lost the plot. What happened to Elie Honig? I used to trust his legql takes, but he has done a 180 and gone full MAGA.

[@herballycorrect]

Do you think it was appropriate for Joe Biden to shower with his teenage daughter? In her diary, she spoke of showering late at night only after her father had gone to sleep so he wouldn't join her. -- Pg. 11.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@cryptidnomad3850]

Regained common sense

[@laurencea9005]

@@Cp3786 But if there were false charges, Trump would have had a defense and several witnesses to help him. Don't you think? Several witnesses were Trump allies and still are. Some still work for him but none wanted to face perjury and go to prison. Besides, the prosecutors had the doc from his CFO laying out the plan of the fraud and the money would come from DJT personal account. Is it not bizarre to you? Do you think they are dems? Do you really believe what you say?

[@jasonbinder3012]

Winning what? Are you paying attention he's done.

[@DJS11811]

I thought the crime was that the money spent on hush money was an undisclosed campaign cxontribution.

[@gointothedogs4634]

No. It was a campaign finance violation by paying Stormy to keep it quiet to hide it from the election, then paying Pecker not to print it in the Enquirer, then falsifying the records on taxes to make it appear like a legal consultation, which it was in a way but not so it could be written off as a business expense.

[@thisfool89]

If you listen to people who accurately report on what's been happening in the court room that's is what the prosecution has been working towards. That was their entire point while questioning stormy Daniels and Cohen. I don't know what happened to CNN lately but ever since Fox started loosing viewers because they have been reporting 1/100 of the actual truth it's like CNN is trying to pick up those viewers by giving trump a more positive light.

[@gerade-aus]

I'll never believe another word Elie says without thorough investigation.

[@herballycorrect]

Do you think it was appropriate for Joe Biden to shower with his teenage daughter? In her diary, she spoke of showering late at night only after her father had gone to sleep so he wouldn't join her. -- Pg. 11.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@superslammer]

@@Cp3786 Oh you must be a bot. You copy and paste everything.

[@johnspook]

@@Cp3786 WELL SAID!! BUT THE DEMS ARE SO MORALLY CORRUPT AND TOTALLY GODLESS , BELIEVING THAT THEY CAN MOCK GOD AND GET AWAY WITH IT!! ... RECKONING HAS BEEN PUT IN MOTION AGAINST THE WICKED DEMOCRATS. INCLUDING FANI WILLIS, LETITIA JAMES, JUDGE ENGORON, MERCHAN, KAPLAN , BRAGG, JACK SMITH, MERRICK GARLAND,, THE FBI, CIA, DOJ AND THE UTTERLY CROOKED AND TREACHEROUS BIDEN FAMILY THERE IS NOTHING THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT...UNLESS THEY SINCERELY REPENT! THE LORD IS KING OF KINGS! AMEN.

[@joebartles3986]

@@Cp3786Are you okay? Do you need a new tinfoil hat?

[@HeartDocAndrew]

"Here's what Honig says 'blew his mind' during final day of testimony in Trump trial" so let's otherwise "Convince It Forward" with Laus DEO

[@NebraskaGonvilleJones]

Two things; 1. Trump will run his mouth about others who testify under oath yet somehow can’t bring himself to also testify under oath 🤔 2. STOP getting that ridiculous bald guy to comment on matters of law. He is an outright liar

[@EddyMerckx-1964-Sallanches]

Good thing not getting on witness stand isnt a crime in the country . Not yet …

[@NebraskaGonvilleJones]

@@EddyMerckx-1964-Sallanches Has anyone suggested that should be a crime? I don’t understand what point you are trying to make?

[@gointothedogs4634]

3. Trump will complain that only guilty people plead the 5th, while he pleads the 5th.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@ericlipps9459]

He's not testifying under oath because his lawyers have begged him not to. They know he'll either tell the truth and blow up his defense or, more likely, commit perjury.

[@FRANCENEKELLY]

Dear CNN: Bully Arthur doesn't belong on any decent show. His bombast sheds heat, not light. Y'all need to boot his butt. As for Elie, he's a one trick pony and the words that come out of his mouth are often wrong but never surprising.

[@risajoe]

Arthur didn't have his facts right as to why the previous judge narrowed the scope of what Trump could say in his last trial when he took the stand. So deceiving to the audience, and for them not to correct that. Switch to Medias Touch.

[@camellia8625]

As soon as I see him, I stop watching

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@jp13119]

@@camellia8625 Unfortunately, me too. Once I hear his voice, it's off with the volume for me.

[@joeshoe6184]

Isolating ourselves into media echo chambers is dangerous, thats how MAGA formed. They're so isolated theyve created a reality separate from the truth. This could easily happen to the left if we're not diligent.

[@bclaudew3]

i know nobody will care. but for my own sanity, this helps me, when i get things off my chest. in 2000. i was 16 turning 17 at the end of the year and a junior in high school. i watched cnn every single day up to that point. hours of it as a teenager. i was a dork. i was a republican then and thought cnn gave me the best-unbiased news at the time. as an intelligent person. i already knew even as a hardcore conservative and republican at the time and lover of Reagan (being a lover of history) and bush. lover of law and order, respected the justice system. capitalism, free market, government stay out of my business, keep your hands off of my weapons, low taxes, dominant the oil industry, follow the constitution. back then and still to this day i have always been personally pro life, but politically even as a conservative i was pro choice, sorry for respecting my mom and grandma and sisters and all the women in my life, sorry if that offends you. and i will be honest and forthright again, equality, is not a political issue to me, never has been and never will be, equality is not up for discussion and not up for debate, i will always be 100 percent for equality. and i was despite those beliefs i thought republicans were what was best for the country. and i was 100 percent set on voting for george w. bush at the time if i would have been old enough to vote then. and i remember the day he won, how happy i was. but predating this a little, starting in 2000, i noticed a shift, of cnn going to more conservative news, i noticed a shift that while the democrats used to be crazy, clowns, who didn't know what the hell they were doing and unable to lead. while i was growing up in the late 80's and throughout the 90s, though clinton outside of his drama was a decent president during his run of what 93-2001. thats roughly the time when the battle between which party wanted to be crazy really started. but with each passing day i noticed the republicans were starting to become the clowns, fox was basically full on propaganda back then and went full on russia china north korea mode back when obama first became a legit contender to become president. the shift was obvious to me at the time. and fox when trump won just went off the deep end of all eternity. getting ahead of myself though. mccain was the republicans last hope. i wanted mccain to win so bad. to me he truly embodied what it meant to be a good man, to be a good american, to be a good leader and to be able to reach across to the other side and bring people together and do the right thing. i hated obama. i legit fucking hated him. i was like where did he come from, not literally like you clowns, but was like what does he know about government? what does he know about leading? what experience does he have? which looking back on was about 100000000000000000000000000x more than Trump. the irony. but i digress. but obama won.and i'm going to repeat this next part often. because it needs repeated often. republicans said obama would never be their president. but i loved my country. i accepted obama as my president. i wanted obama to succeed because i wanted my country to succeed. republicans went live. openly said they would never support obama or anything he wanted to do even if it meant sabotaging america. they said that out loud. that really, really, really, had one of the biggest effects ever on me in my entire life. i think the only thing that has ever effected my life more was my mom dying. when i heard these things being said about my country and my president. i don't think i could state that enough to anyone. when i started hearing on a daily basis. one side of our country saying out loud, and if you dont remember this, or if you cant own up to this, and want to be ignorant about this, about when this whole drama we have right now about two parties working against each other, instead of with each other for america started, then go to hell. burn. because seriously they said out loud obama isn't our president, out loud we must make obama fail. out loud saying even if it hurts this country we will sabotage any policy he tries to accomplish. out loud. we will not pass anything he wants to do. i dunno about you, but something clicked in my head that day. they openly said obama would never be their president and they would do everything in their power to make him fail, and ultimately my country fail. and so i will admit that it was a rough two years, but despite everything, life started to be pretty good, and i voted for obama over Romney and it wasnt because romney was that bad, i disagree with romney on several things but i don't think he would have been horrible, but obama turned out to be pretty good, and you can have your opinion on that, and even then that wasnt the kicker to me. i didnt care at the time that obama was decent or doing okay. the only thing i cared about was the shift. republicans had started to become the circus party. democrats were starting to become normal. because, the shift that had previously started had truly shown its true colors when obama won. republicans went crazy. democrats went normal. and the last 6 years of obama this country started to do great things, make great progress, but we still had a ways to go. if we followed on being true to the american spirit for everyone. anyways long story short, i noticed cnn turn conservative in 2000 and i was okay with it for awhile, but when the two leading parties switched roles and republicans went crazy and democrats went normal, cnn went with the republicans. and they are now officially a right wing media conservative program. fox shouldn't exist at all and i'm not saying that based on any freedom of speech right or whatever excuse you want to come up with about being straight lied to every single day about everything. i'm saying that because they are full gone just dead as anything resembling a credible news source. read the text and emails they dont want you to see. they are just an extension of maga and they have been that way since obama won. msnbc is liberal. and they don't do a good job at all because all they do is try to talk down to you like you're five, and dont realize that you're just trying to come here as one of the last sources that can tell you the truth from a normal perspective, good, bad or ugly, but they just sugar coat everything and have their own agendas so unless you're able to be honest without yourself and take what they say and then make a decision for yourself, which i am, but i don't know about the rest of the country, so if you can't do that, then they arent worth anything either, and cnn doesn't do a good job now they have started their fox journey because the more conservative you are now the more of a liar and hider of facts and truth you become, because thats just what happens when at a given time in our history, your party starts being run by lunatics. i could list them all out for you if you want. bunch of social media wannabes who have no clue on anything is the large, large portion of the "republican" party right now. and thats a fact. cnn has started down the slippery slope of repeating what fox became. and the only place to really get news now is independent news sources who have legit experts on who arent trying to tell you what you want to hear to fit your bias, but just their honesty opinion based on their actually experiences, and simply show you the data, show you whats being done, by who, for what reason, what its supposed to do, and in many instances now, show you the facts, show you the evidence, show you what the law says, show you what history says, and then gives you their opinion on whatever slant they have and then as an honest to god american, you come up with your own conclusion. trump has been a criminal for decades. its not that hard.he is not a republican, he is not a conservative. he is not presidential material. he is a criminal. he is a coward. he is a traitor. he is a conman. he is a grifter. he is liable for rape, convicted of defamation, had escape goats go to jail for him in countless extremely high valued lawsuits for fraud at all levels, across the board, business, tax, he has cheated and lied and destroyed the lives of everyone he comes in contact with, and i could go on and on but this really isn't what this is about. and i hate biden. lets not even get that twisted. and as soon as you denounce maga for what it is and pick a real republican , i will vote for them because their are actual credible repubulicans out thre right now and there are some up and coming democrats, but there is absolutely no other democrat who is ready to attempt to lead this country right now, unless somehow, someone can duplicate the miracle of obama with no experience being able to accomplish things the way he did and the way he represented this country the way he did, top notch. truly always how a president should be. i wish it was anyone but either of these two. but one really is a deranged pyscho and one is just an old man who has a stuttering problem and hate him as much as you want and disagree with him as much as you want and whether or not his decisions, policies, and whatever are right or wrong, good or bad, he loves this country and he has decades of experience, and if its between trump and biden and you have to even ask yourself twice then, yeah i know its sad, but its not a hard choice at all. so if you''re not educated enough to see trump for what he is. then you don't even deserve to call yourself an american. lets move forward as a country and have both parties just be normal at the same time. and do whats best for this country for once. for everyone. FOR EVERYONE. yes. say it with me. again i did this for me. so i can stay sane and normal despite the maga cult right now.

[@sherrysolomon4971]

Maggie gives too much credit to the trump team. Every news outlet said the susan did well. I think i am done here.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@anelemtiki3004]

​@@Cp3786😂

[@laurencea9005]

That's what I don't like about her.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

she's a team player

[@Ernie1978]

Honig is despicable. He acts as if he is the only lawyer who knows a thing. Don't like him. I prefer Laura Coates and Norm Eisen...they explain the law much better.

[@lde-m8688]

What is Hoing smoking?

[@ianmangham4570]

Sausage 😅

[@Freddie-gv1yg]

@@ianmangham4570 what is sausage smoking? Never heard of it.

[@ianmangham4570]

@@Freddie-gv1yg Unga bunga

[@pastorhopeabus9183]

Honning or whatever is his name is a hypocrite, I have always known it

[@sputnikmoonchild]

Because something hasn't happened before, does not mean it shouldn't be dealt with.

[@deborahmiller1214]

Elie Honig prosecuted mobsters. He knows better. Wth happened to him??

[@LionDiamond-ow1xy]

He is stating the obvious. TDS sufferers are SICK

[@heathermcintyre1383]

I would prefer to hear both sides, not have one sided commentary … I like Caitlin Collins but i hate hearing Maggie say “it’s complicated” … it’s not complicated at all … Give the general public enough credit that most do actually understand its not complicated at all IMHO

[@MilankaMilosevic-l4u]

Usually people answer , it s complicated , when asked about theirs persenel sentimental life .

[@MilankaMilosevic-l4u]

The problem , with , persenel life , nowadays , in my view , Is , that , Because people Don t have time , on the one hand , and , on the other hand , people NEED to have someone , NEED like Aire to breath or food , that contradiction , between , they Don t have time to be toguether , but , they cannot live if They Are not Toguther , that contradiction , makes persenel sentimental life to be complicatted

[@gointothedogs4634]

Agreed. I don't find it complicated.

[@MilankaMilosevic-l4u]

@@gointothedogs4634 but , in 2024 , it s too late , to agree , that it s not complicated , in my opinion .

[@MilankaMilosevic-l4u]

@@gointothedogs4634 in my opinion , it s too late , maybe , i m wrong , but , the Laws of phyzicks , i feel it , there Is no , going back , at least , for me , there Is no going back to 🇷🇸🇷🇸🇷🇸 , therefore , saddlly , for me , it will be , for ever , quite complicatted indeed , for ever . I begged my people to be friendlly with me , i begged them in 2013 and beyond , there were deaf . Still they Are . I begged them . And now , From Here , From Russia , the Russien Federeition , i feel the burden of naturel time and space Laws , i feel it narrowing , shrinking dramatikelly

[@mothebarakuoane363]

That's why I don't watch CNN. Ellie is sickening.

[@risajoe]

I switched to Medias Touch.

[@duvalcounty1248]

he’s without a doubt biased

[@Hoof.Arted85]

lol 😂 y’all so sad they aren’t being bias for once. You should try it for once.

[@mothebarakuoane363]

@@risajoe me too.

[@bluecatreal]

you hate the truth ...really who would have guessed

[@oscarhansen6016]

Anddddddd. Unsubscribe

[@Sea-xr8zd]

LOL. Good call! I couldn’t bring myself to sub but watched now and then. But I can barely even bring myself to do that now. This panel was ridiculous.

[@manyeyedcrow9391]

CNN in 2016: ‘but her emails’, CNN in 2024: ‘the emails are what they are’. #balance

[@nancyvickers2814]

A jury that does not make eye contact with a defendant and laughs at the one witness for the defense is not a jury that is going to acquit.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Acquittal has never been seriously considered - the extremely likely odds of a verdict have always been either guilty or a hung jury . So I think we will know quickly - if it is guilty a verdict will be returned quickly - if they are out for a while then all likelihood is a hung jury.

[@TheBigStink9268]

Guilty AF

[@TheBigStink9268]

@Trump2024-lo9uf sorry bud I don’t suffer foreign trolls….read the indictment

[@sn1273]

That's a cop out answer. Guilty of what?? What is the charge? I'm not trolling.

[@TheBigStink9268]

@@sn1273 you can not ask anyone to correct or educate you on publicly accessible facts….read the indictment

[@sn1273]

@@TheBigStink9268 in other words, you don't know yourself. You're saying "guilty af" cuz you hate the guy. Does your bias not bother you?

[@TheBigStink9268]

@@sn1273 he taught me everything I know

[@shannonfergusson978]

I can't take anything that Maggie Haberman says as anything but her desperately trying to find any way to possibly help Trump. Even if its just to make what he did not sound as horrible as they really are.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@pathof7494]

Oh, Maggie, the court of public opinion is not the same thing as a court of law. Nor should it ever be!

[@Bonjour-World]

The world is waiting for the words "Bailiff take the criminal into custody".

[@katharynreed6600]

Trump is showing disrespect to justice system

[@jenny6253]

This isn’t the American justice system, this is some kind of banana republic BS!!

[@Lula2979]

Whatever, Maggie

[@emed1977]

Did Maggie clear what she was saying tonight with the Trump team?

[@olufunmiakadiri5290]

Let’s be clear of these facts in this New York case brought by Alvin Bragg 1. Hush money payment is not illegal in NY 2. NDAs are not illegal 3. Falsifying business records in NY is a misdemeanor and has now exceeded the statute of limitation . What is the underlying felony that has led to 34 charges ? If it’s a campaign violation , that would be a federal crime because it’s a Federal election but the FEC did not charge bcuz they knew it was not . Alvin Bragg is claiming that the falsified records recorded as legal expenses actually was done with the intent to influence NY voters . NY voters voted for Hillary Clinton . There is no way Trump expected to win NY in 2016.

[@jenny6253]

Thank you!!

[@XxBloggs]

You need to learn what the case was about.

[@nw5390]

CNN is done at this point.

[@bluecatreal]

try Maddow

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@raeha7796]

8:09 Mr. Clean is REALLY trying to get on the appeal team.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@raeha7796]

@@Cp3786 I am not Democrat or Republican. I observe the platforms of the candidates and vote based upon my interest. Because I observe I noticed that Trump has no platform but the groups who support him do. A few of those groups are powerful within the Republican party and they are actually beginning the pre-work to implement the Heritage Foundation's Project 2025. I also noticed that he has lost 20% of the vote, in closed primaries, to withdrawn candidate.

[@karennelson6922]

I used to be able to sustain at least 30 minutes of this news station ......Now I cannot even handle 10 min.

[@DanNguyen-kr7ey]

10 seconds is my quota for this joke of a channel. I call it czitty nonsense network.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@vicprovost2561]

Lock Him Up!!!

[@peppywood01]

Lock u up. I’m sure you have skeletons in your closet.

[@RBS314]

Won’t happen. He’ll be given full immunity from criminal prosecution by the SC.

[@DenisVogel-n3f]

In America, you have to be found guilty first.

[@daylehere]

@@DenisVogel-n3fHad Hillary been found “guilty” when Dump was starting every campaign stop with “Lock her up”? PLEASE! Absolutely LOCK his butt up!!!

[@bluecatreal]

for what?

[@dlucas527]

Lack of due process? Trump has gotten more favors than anyone.😂😅😂

[@lukeelgon6399]

In the US, there is concern if a media outlet doesn't report on the details of an ongoing trial fairly. Across most other constitutional democracies, there would be widespread consternation if the substance of an ongoing criminal trial was reported on at all until a verdict is announced. In the US, trials are public circuses. Elsewhere, they're serious and very unfunny.

[@lisefrazier5984]

Get rid of the yelling guy!

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertwoods3873]

@@Cp3786 Real charges backed by a millions of pages of documents and hundreds of witnesses. Adjudicated guilty of rape, $500 million in civil fraud, and his company adjudicated guilty of seven counts of felony tax fraud and ruled a criminal enterprise with a court-ordered monitor overseeing daily operations. Over a hundred of Trump's top officials, including his VP and cabinet Secretaries have publicly stated that he is unfit to be President of the United States. If you know anything about the views of the Founders regarding the moral requirements for holding the office of President, you would know that Trump is the absolute antithesis of a qualified candidate. In fact, Washington specifically perfectly described the kind of tyrant that would emerge from mindless partisan in his Farewell Address. It is a prescient description of Trump.

[@davidcribbs2]

But you can keep Maggie Haberman.

[@manyeyedcrow9391]

As usual, CNN ‘legal experts’ all in for Trump #balance

[@kwillow12]

I can understand how its hard to make Trump. & his lawyer's dismal "defense" look anything but moronic and hopeless. I don't see why Ms. Haberman & Honig are trying to do so. All the facts are on the side of the Prosecution. All Trump has is screeching "Unfair! Unfair!" Call the Whaaambulance.

[@jp13119]

Committing 'Snow Flakery' again along with continued insurrection and TREASON!🇺🇸

[@nancyvickers2814]

It’s difficult to listen to Haberman. She is on another planet. I think deep down, Haberman is a trumpster.

[@louise3528]

I seriously can’t watch CNN anymore. Such a terrible selection of so-called experts.

[@SK-sm9mn]

I wonder whether Honig is one of those journalists who is told what to say by Trump like Haberman, Cuomo and Tur have allegedly been in the past

[@1247.cccccc]

Habermann was mentioned in the Podesta emails as someone that could be depended on by Hillary for teeing up stories. To suggest her access to Trump is favorable for him is quite insane.

[@rloomis3]

@@1247.cccccc 1. Podesta could have been wrong. 2. Even if Haberman did shill for Hillary, that doesn't mean she's loyal to the left; she could be an opportunist who's only interested in what benefits her. (See, for example, info on the Trump administration that she withheld from her reporting, so that she could use it in her book.)

[@CB-wq9wp]

The answer is yes.

[@CraftyGrandmaDem]

@@1247.cccccc Trump has managed to get a lot of regular people to do his bidding.

[@helenconnolly5403]

@@CraftyGrandmaDemNot only doing his bidding but remaining silent about awful things until they are ready to write book. So many self serving people around him.

[@CorneliuTicu]

Sure, the charges get very complicated when you have to scam "the people" and keep your defended on a tight leash hostage to your sociopath interests and there's actually nothing.

[@hibob418]

Did you mean ‘defendant’? Clarence Darrow you’re not.

[@CorneliuTicu]

@@hibob418 Yes. Was too short for: the one that you defended. But you got it 🕊️❤️

[@knelson5034]

There are two sides, but they are not equal. And you should not equate them. Sure, it is possible that every house on a block is watering their lawns at the same time, but if every lawn is wet on a block, it is far more likely that it is raining. You are equating Trump's sprinklers with mother nature's rain.

[@dm-31024]

Enjoyed the conversation with Kaitlin and Maggie - smaller is better than large quarrelling panels. Ms. Haberman is intelligent & speaks well.

[@bobpourri9647]

I watch far less CNN now than I used to, which is too bad.

[@rcox54321]

Maggie always has to lean into a favorable Trump spin, from the beginning.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

Her mom had Trump's dad as a client before Trump and then him after - and the Kushners - they paid for her private school tuition probably braces if she had them - she might as well be named Weisselberg

[@rcox54321]

@@pjpredhomme7699 That makes sense, also explains the access she has had to him. Thank you for that insight.

[@anthony19723]

CNN again brings on the most bizarre assessments of the trial and they seem to be pushing a post-trial appeal that won't happen.

[@Sea-xr8zd]

This whole dynamic was bizarre. The observations, assumptions and assessments, you are right, everything they presented made no sense.

[@bdahl4002]

Where is the minute by minute reporting on Hunter today

[@mnn1265]

Honig even looks like a guy destined to lose his law license to help his criminal cult leader. He looks the part and certainly sounds the part.

[@sixbladeknife44]

Yup, he has MAGA written all over that big forehead.

[@robertyeats-un7qb]

CNN Has lost all credibility

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@davidwelsh8026]

They never had any.

[@caseyking0917]

You’re assuming they had any to begin with.

[@Tamara61622]

@@Cp3786. Where is the panic

[@joeshoe6184]

Isolating ourselves into media echo chambers is dangerous, thats how MAGA formed. They're so isolated theyve created a reality separate from the truth. This could easily happen to the left if we're not diligent.

[@image13]

So ur saying Cohen can go to jail for this but because Trump is a former president and nominee for President he's above all this? wtf

[@pjpredhomme7699]

yeah there are a lot of people who genuinely believe that is a legitmate answer

[@image13]

@@pjpredhomme7699 ah so a former president can break the law without consequences.. ok guess Biden can assassinate citizens and have no consequences lmao

[@oceanfrog]

So, it turns out it 'blew his mind' because he's either obtuse, or intentionally obscuring the truth. KFA put him to shame on MT when she explains why the felony crime (that the misdemeanor crimes were in furtherance of) does not need to be spelled out, or even agreed upon. 7 jurors could think it was in furtherance of tax fraud, 5 in furtherance of election law violation. Imagine someone breaks into an apartment. He gets caught. That in and of itself could be a misdemeanor charge. But the prosecutor could say that it was with criminal intent. Theft? Sexual assault? It doesn't matter. If the jury finds the misdemeanor was with general criminal intent through the evidence and circumstances, that's all that's needed. That Elie doesn't understand this would be mind-boggling, if you believed for a second that he actually doesn't understand this. But he's just posturing for effect and because he knows it'll raise his profile. As KFA says, "this is EXACTLY HOW IT IS ALWAYS DONE."

[@alexandranobaek3170]

This is not the old CNN I watched daily for 20 years. The noble idea of neutrality (just report the news) is not sustainable in today's world. I understand that. Going from more liberal voices to MAGA light in search of an audience was maybe a good business move, though I doubt it. While they are still good journalists at the network, segments like this one are why I have had enough. Dear CNN, it was nice while it lasted. It's not me, it's you. Have a good ...never mind

[@asynchronicity]

Honig is so weird🤦‍♂️

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@asynchronicity]

@@Cp3786 Hi cut and paste troll guy again!😸

[@1indefinitetruth]

& wrong...friggin weird & dead wrong 🙄

[@krisap1635]

I cannot watch this train wreck. Between Elie and the loud obnoxious bald guy ........I'm out!

[@lesleyphillips8146]

Same here. I am DONE with Honig, all he does is flip flop and he thinks he knows it all. That bald quy is an obnoxious blowhard.

[@couldnt_find_good_name2546]

Elie, as much as he tries, his bias is a well known fact, unfortunately.

[@BlindSquirrel425]

Elise’s been sliding to the right. He’s an odd choice to be a senior legal analyst on CNN, in my opinion. He’s not much of a lawyer compared to the many who comment frequently. This particular panel is relatively pro-Trump.

[@Khrystyna853]

Wow. You guys are just over the top with the both-sides-ism. So much obvious bias, that it gives the impression that you are no longer telling us the truth about anything! Especially the guy parroting Alina Habba's talking points, and that you didn't bother to providing the legal basis for the prosecution's argument about the "second crime". We used to be able to tolerate Elie Honig, but now we just wonder if he's been away from practice, and in front of the cameras for so long, that he's forgotten the law! Even Jake doesn't "bite back" anymore, presumably having been chastened by the suits upstairs... This, following on the heels of that guy from the Manhattan Institute that was on with Chris Wallace about a week ago (where did you get that guy!?!) has sealed your fate in our house, and anybody else we can spread the word to: no more CNN. "Thank you and good night."

[@tejanoj3017]

For someone who enforces NDAs, defendant Trump sure is being a whiny little witch about gag orders.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

EVERYTHING is a one way street with him

[@jenny6253]

Because an NDA is benefits both parties a gag order is unconstitutional!!🤡

[@azizaibrahim1155]

Haberman makes light of Costello’s rude, disrespectful attitude and the fact the judge had to clear the court to rebuke him .

[@bluecatreal]

Castello had every right to give answers and explanations the judge exposed his bias

[@WaferBrik]

@@bluecatreal Costello was so far out of line he was almost in another state. He helped the prosecution big time.

[@Cp3786]

The dems are in panic mode🤣. They know trump is winning so they’re election interfering by making up fake charges hoping that he doesn’t make it to the White House again🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@WaferBrik]

@@Cp3786 I've seen this exact same comment numerous times from Russ ians. If you're one of them, tell whoever runs your bot farm to come up with a new line. You guys are convincing no one despite all your emojis. That's another Russ ian favorite too, the emojis overkill. It adds nothing to your argument. You guys need to mix it up a bit, you're too predictable. Btw, I'm going to mute you because it's boring seeing the same couple of messages over and over.

[@caliconfessions1075]

​@WaferBrik you do know Hillary just admitted to mis spending campaign funds and paid a big fine for paying to make up a false russian collusion story

[@clifallen9023]

go Eli, you are a good lawyer.

[@realBlue2024]

Guilty as charged!!! Stop the BS

[@mrjerzheel]

Guilty of a misdemeanour book keeping only, know one knows what the other crime is😆

[@frogsong63]

You also have complicated motives, Haberman.

[@Tcb0835]

Oh, CNN... Really??

[@CitizenLarente]

OMG ... Get rid of Honig. CNN's reputation is in the dumps as it is.

[@philreynolds2465]

I love Maggie Haberman & the way she stopped that bald guy from interrupting her (strong yet polite more than he deserved) Maggie informs the listener of the facts. Allowing the audience to make their own conclusion. Thank you

[@JimmiAlli]

What is the “other crime”?

[@faisonhoward9191]

When is CNN going to actually start journalism again?..most of your stuff is not news.

[@handsomestik]

They are well passed that now. Jeff did so much damage that there is no going back

[@YesItsReallyKeith]

so most of the time, don't watch ?

[@Therealtruthsocial]

Fox paid nearly a billion dollars to Dominion voting systems for defamation.

[@katherineweber8955]

Honig is a strange guy. His takes are always more about his ego than reality. He misses a lot. Then Haberman sometimes tries to hard to balance what she says precluding actual thought.