Here’s Why I Upgraded to a Breville Dual Boiler from a Nuova Simonelli Musica

[@miklosjozsefkiszler5839]

Ich kann alle deine Überlegungen nachvollziehen und stoße genau auf die Gedanken, die Ich ebenfalls hatte. Meine 8 Jahre alte Musica geht bald in den Service.

[@alarcilam]

Hi there, How do you compare the quality of the microfoam Breville vs the Musica? Not in terms of speed but quality?

[@TheCoffeeField]

Same. The only microfoam quality difference I ever noticed was with a LaMarzocco and Synesso machines. Super dry and the milk is more velvety than anything else. Outside of that, microfoam from most machines taste the same to me. Hope this helps.

[@timzlow]

James Hoffman said, if you don't want to make espresso as a hobby, then don't gdt am espresso machine. And being a hobbyist, we can be more particular and panaroid with little things than the professionals. And Breville DB allows us to correct those little small things. Good choice dude. BTW, a friend used it in a cafe. 118shots of double per day with BDB + Fiorenzato F64 is his record.

[@abrahamcalayag8906]

Hi Sir, so you mean you can use Breville DB for a Small shop? I'm planning to have one like 10 seatings ?

[@timzlow]

@@abrahamcalayag8906 I don't think it's an issue. But the parts are not as durable as commercial machine. If it's just a small volume cafe, it should be ok...

[@ahmettanriverdi5238]

@@timzlow What do you mean with "James Hoffman said, if you don't want to make espresso as a hobby, then don't gdt am espresso machine." What is 'gdt am espresso machine'? I dont understand it.

[@timzlow]

@@ahmettanriverdi5238 Sorry. Typo. it's "if you don't want to make espresso as a hobby, don't get an espresso machine"

[@ahmettanriverdi5238]

@@timzlow ah yeah 👍 I'm looking for an espresso machine but there is always 'imperfection'. Rangilio, no PID; Lelit pl91 stupid water tank and high price; breville, 54mm portafilter and included coffee grinder (I don't need it)... i'm tired of searching 🤷

[@safiona]

Good review. I just upgraded a coffee machine from arissto to breville 920 for a good friend of mine who's also a cafe owner. I'm thinking of buying a musica but upon seeing your review I guess I have to consider buying a breville machine too. Until now, I'm still undecided coz owning a good coffee machine is really cool but you have to consider the cost and other factors as well.

[@justmehereUK]

what did you get in the end?

[@iggynor5007]

I am hesitating between the Dual Boiler and the Oracle(none touch version) please help me decide

[@TheCoffeeField]

It depends on how much you want to be involved in the process. The oracle will do a lot on its own but the Dual Boiler will need your involvement and you will need to know what you’re doing more so than the Oracle

[@iggynor5007]

@@TheCoffeeField I ordered the Oracle this morning, don't have much time in the morning to make a coffee

[@6guitarplayer]

@@iggynor5007 I thought I wanted an E61 machine, but I saw the Oracle in person last week and I'm thinking of going that way also. Congrats!

[@iggynor5007]

@@6guitarplayer Mate go for it you won't regret it, it takes me in the morning less than 2 minutes from coffee bean to a beautiful latte and that's what I'm after in the morning, this machine is made for the real world where you don't have too much time in the morning

[@jakevan1969]

Well said. Looks amazing.

[@NANA-gy7yx]

Awesome vid! Thanks! I have an Oscar 2 with OPV+ Pressurestate and I hate it for the same reasons! I can't see the pressure, the pain of flushing..etc. I hate e61 machine for the same reasons, which also means temperature instability even with PID (needing to off set the brew boiler vs what reaches the grouphead)..etc. I started looking for double boilers options and an upgrade that would satisfy me for at least 5 years (Oscar been with me for 2yrs already and it is my first machine, which I think it is a great beginner machine TBH). Here's my short list: - BDB for the same reasons you mentioned, stainless steel boilers, which means lower risk of scale, having a considerable social media support from other buys online, you can easily modify it to do slayer-like-pressure-profiling, and having a heating element on the grouphead to ensure stability (unlike the outdated E61 group). However, I hated the fact it is an appliance, which means in it probable won't last, weak steaming power compared to the Oscar 2, vibration pump, and it seems you should not use their back flushing feat as it will burn the grouphead or grouphead heating element (I can't remember but I am sure if you youtube it you will find it and also many mentioned it in the comments), and most importantly, the Volumatric feature doesn't work as it should be and it is probably is time based like the oscar (there is a vid on youtube and the have changed the machine for that guy but the same issue of inconsistency). - La Spaziale Mini Vivaldi or Dream: I like it is not an E61 machine, rotary pump version, huge supporters online (in fact, there is an entire forum dedicated to it), they say the temp is really stable and no need to offset like e61 machines, and strong steaming power and recovery time. I don't like: the ridiculous portafilter size, which means limited accessories, eye sore, a pain to access it's internals, unclear if the boilers are stainless steel and if insulated or not. - Lilet Bianca: Pressure profiling and sturdy. I don't like: adding a water faucet (no matter how fancy you call it, it is sill a faucet lol) to and outdated machine doesn't justify the ridiculous price! e61 grouphead, and brass boilers! - Chinese slayer knock-off, which seams very decent and reasonably priced for a modern designed machine but of course no slayer pressure profiling, though it is a simple flow restrictor and I reckon it won't add much to the cost lol, and having to manually stop the shot. It seems not much options out there... and the search continues lol

[@whistlerrealestate1]

Great video. This past November I bought a Rocket Giotto but the shipment took over a month to arrive and in that time I had second thoughts mainly due to the price. So, when it arrived, I turned it back. Now, having had a few weeks to mull things over I am leaning to the Breville Dual Boiler. You’re right - it completely ticks every box. The only hesitation I have is that I owned a lower end Breville espresso machine about 6-8 years ago and it only lasted 3 years before it blew a hose of some sort and leaked all over my counter. The shop I bought it from said it couldn’t be repaired so I literally threw it away. Nervous about that with getting another Breville but I think this one is in another league from that previous one I had. What say you so far reliability-wise?

[@TheCoffeeField]

Reliability is really not that bad considering the price point. Frankly any machine that deals with water, heat and steam will eventually have issues and require parts. This is applicable to much more expensive machines as well, especially the ones with similar features. You could also buy an extended warranty if some sort on it for some additional peace of mind.

[@miguelduenas1045]

Hello sir, is the Nuova Simonelli Appia life better than the Dual Boiler? Are they worlds apart from each other?

[@TheCoffeeField]

Not sure about the Appia as I didn’t use or own it but it’s a heat exchanger not dual boiler

[@angelam9734]

how many shots of espresso do you make everyday? how many do you think it could handle for a coffee shop? thanks

[@TheCoffeeField]

I make 2 doubles per day. This machine won’t last long in a commercial environment. You’re better off with something that is NSF certified. Those are usually machines with less plastics and heavy duty components

[@antonellasecaira6081]

heyyy...Which one do u recommend me for a coffee shop with a max of 25 or 35 drinks per day? breville dual boiler or nuova simonelli musica¿?

[@TheCoffeeField]

Musica

[@iTechRevolutionTV]

I am in a similar situation. I am in Belgium and I will buy my first espresso machine. In a bind between the musica, dbd and lelit elizabeth. They all cost the same ~1200 euros. For the same price which ones would you guys recommend.

[@TheCoffeeField]

Don’t have experience with the Lelit but between the Musica and BDB, I’d take the BDB

[@AndeyKurniawan]

the current musica has the gigleurs installed. you should not need a long cooling flush. musica is a single boiler. temperature is directly proportional to boiler temperature. the musica once you get used to it, its looks good and works well. buy the ones with the professional pack installed. if you are looking at a bdb, might as well go for a proper db like the ecm synchronica. you wont regret it. rotary pmp, dual boiler.. etc.. the machnes are built like a tank. buy for a long term investment. not for plastic components.

[@iTechRevolutionTV]

@@AndeyKurniawan Hey Andey thank you for the follow-up. Since then, I upped my budget and got the Lelit Bianca instead. Thank you though ^^

[@JPC326]

I am planning to get a Breville Dual Boiler. What size of force tamper are you using ?

[@TheCoffeeField]

58.5mm

[@muhammadyolandisumadio1547]

Hi. How are your experiences with bdb? Do you love it? Is it as you hope in terms of temperature stability etc? Or do you regret it?

[@TheCoffeeField]

I really like it so far. It’s a great value and it does everything I need it to do

[@muhammadyolandisumadio1547]

G H any dissappointment that you find? The downside of the machine?

[@Jameslyons21]

Hi great video. I'm about to purchase the same machine. Would you still recommend it. Thank you

[@TheCoffeeField]

Definitely

[@Jameslyons21]

@@TheCoffeeField thanks alot I was about to buy a nuova simonelli musica and I saw your video 👍

[@iuanders448]

musica does make a cup of great espresso

[@blizzbee]

How was the cups compared... from each machine? can u actually blind taste? no offence, just wanna know from a person who owned both :))

[@PhantomJuJux]

New to the hobby - what 2 grinders do you have there? (Brands & Model)

[@adamhartman4312]

Left is breville smart grinder pro and right is mazzer super jolly. Idk if you still need the information but there you go

[@timzlow]

Hi there. are you able to get consistent shot by volume using the same beans and grind settings..?

[@TheCoffeeField]

Using same beans and grind, yes

[@timzlow]

@@TheCoffeeField hi... thanks. i meant with the programmable single and double cup button.

[@TheCoffeeField]

@@timzlow I understand, yes. It’s accurate as long as the input is the same. Change the beans, grind settings or even ambient temperature and the output will change

[@timzlow]

@@TheCoffeeField thanks. appreciate it, I just got myself a BDB... ^^

[@timzlow]

@@TheCoffeeField I realized i didn't activate the vOL by pressing Menu button. I pressed Exit button instead. Will try again 2moro. thanks.

[@ahmadhusaini8420]

literally just order today before watching your vid. My arguments are the same. Was aiming for Lelit Bianca which has everything but cost twice than this. While BDB has an oscar 2 at the same price, i have used my bro's oscar 2 and i didnt enjoy brewing espresso with it. I feel like im blind. I dont see anything except coffee coming out from PF. After reading some blog and knowing how easy to do pressure profiling with this, by having reliable group head temp, im sold and right away ordered this. Cant wait for it to come here!

[@AntMelz]

Doesn’t the Bianca have pressure profiling?

[@ahmadhusaini8420]

@@AntMelz yes bianca has it with two times price

[@AntMelz]

Ahmad Husaini gotcha you had said bdb has everything the Bianca has so I was confused. I love the bdb doesn’t have an e61 group head. Huge advantage.

[@cameronknowles6267]

@@AntMelz which one is better

[@k1fizz]

I think the whole "appliance grade" versus "machine grade" argument is something proliferated by Seattle Coffee Gear to distinguish between machines that are thrown away when they break (appliance grade) or repaired (machine grade). In my opinion, the inside of the BDB looks repairable so maybe that makes it machine grade. The BDB also has the ability to pressure profile shots(via modding), which is something only very high end machines, like the Slayer, can do. Anyway, I just picked up my Musica 3 weeks ago after I learned about it through your videos. LOL, didn't know you had already stopped recommending it. I saw on the coffee forums that you were having some issues with volumetric dosing on the Musica. How does the BDB do with their volumetric dosing versus the Musica?

[@TheCoffeeField]

k1fizz I still think the Musica is a good machine, assuming you don’t care about seeing or controlling the temp and pressure of the shot. I don’t use the volumetric shots on the BDB. Recently I’ve been changing coffees all the time and trying different roasters so having the volumetric button won’t help

[@frenchiesfrenchies2979]

Thanks for this type of answer because I have the impression that people on KZbin set their machine once only but the thing is with fresh bean it s battle every time 😂

[@canadian_coffe_guy4690]

Great video! I also have the BDB. With all the features and options it's really a no Brainer when it comes to bang for the buck. I currently have the smart grinder pro which I am looking to upgrade in the near future.

[@cameronknowles6267]

Definitely upgrade the grinders are good but kinda shit for espresso I have a smart grinder pro then upgraded and I got a vario and now my shots are so much better in my dual boiler

[@trent9589]

lol. i just bought the nuova simonelli and was going to buy the breville instead. oh well. great video!

[@justmehereUK]

how's the NS going?

[@_yuuzo]

Music please? 😁

[@TheCoffeeField]

Youssef L 😂 track is called Evergreen in iMovie

[@_yuuzo]

@@TheCoffeeField hahah not bad! it's really nice.

[@andronaline]

Thanks. Thsi cannel is udnerrated.

[@budgerella]

Get to the point please

[@TheCoffeeField]

Fast forward please