Here's Why Xenosaga Remasters and 4 Might Be The Next Games

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I may not have made it clear enough but when I say Saga 4 in my video, I don't necessarily mean the next game in the Xenosaga series. I'm more referring to Xenoblade 4 incorporating the story of Saga 4 and them being basically the same thing. Xenoblade 4 but with Saga story and lore mixed in. Xenoblade 4 and Xenosaga 4 basically being one in the same

[@flik221]

You think this is likely due to just the vector logo or any other evidence?

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@@flik221 There's plenty of connections if you look deep enough. The Vector radio, Dimitri Yuriev, the ending cutscene being almost identical to Saga 3's ending and many more connections and parallels between Saga and Blade

[@HunchbackOfNotreJon]

​@paragonoftorna2548 I think it's canonizing both Saga and X. They have conflicting lore, but that's just a matter of the universe. It's a cycle of creation, destruction, and recreation that evolves from one into the next. So, we saw the path to the end of the universes and the evolution of technology as it became engrained into biology and nature. Saga is far more prominent in FR and got the direct call out in the credits, which makes me think they're suggesting the order will be Xenoblade Saga -> Xenoblade Chronicled X. Canonizing one doesn't necessarily decanonize the other even if the lore of one breaks continuity with the other. It was Nintendo that nudged them toward making it Xeno adjacent, so they probably had an agreement with Nintendo that they can tackle the weighty, controversial material of past series if they can demonstrate Takahashi has really learned from his mistakes. As in it seems Nintendo wanted Xenosaga to succeed but recognized that MonolithSoft needed more guidance. Takahashi had given up on Saga and Gears when making XBC1 and was over half way through XBC2's development before deciding to commit to canonizing anything, and with how Blade came to even be a Xeno title, it was probably personal relationships within Nintendo, and from former colleagues, that encouraged him to return to the series at all, so everything was written with enough ambiguity for plausible deniability but armed with knowing Nintendo was going to back it if they made the call and met very high expectations. But the lore of Gears, Saga, Blade, and X make it pretty flexible for integrating just about any canon without a huge amount of difficulty.

[@kevingamboa9420]

Go ahead, Takahashi, betray me in a good way. Whatever comes next will be vastly different. Go on the offense, just take my money

[@bladerdj3503]

While I love X and wamt a sequel, I think Saga deserves to get their turn. It should get a Remastered to get on par with Blade or at least to upgrade Ep 1 and 2 to look and play like 3. But it would be a good timing to introduce it to new unfamiliar fans and ending it on the same scene that now triggered our theory monkeybrains. I am excited what happens with the series either way.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

There are a lot of people who deny anything to do with Saga, there's way too much going for it for it not to at least be possible

[@ZX-Gear]

I kinda want to play Saga again. But only if they get it right. I want mostly QoL improvements but also to have all the games EARN their M Rating with all the shit that got censored and really there is a lot of shit to go through with the various points of the plot. I want the battle systems to stay mostly the same but Xenosaga 2 needs the most help due to it being the most jank of the combat with the Break Zones but the Aerial and Ground status is the best part of it all and almost makes it worth it. I also want Pied Piper and Xenosaga Freaks to be adapted into new hardware since especially Piper has a lot of plot significance and Freaks is a nice distraction. I also want Xenosaga 1 and 2 to also be added in for the script written closer to Soraya Saga's writings were in the DS game we STILL do not have a translation for. Kinda a lot to go through.

[@kyurei4478]

I think now with enough maturity, Takahashi has the possibility to create a new chapter of the Xeno series or the continuation of Xenoblade that could combine the very dark themes, the rich and dense lore aspect of Xenosaga and Xenogears with the more accessible, digestible, engaging and stylish style of Xenoblade to create the perfect balance that would reconcile the old Xenosaga fans with the new Xenoblade fans. Of course achieving such a thing and finding the right balance to content most people is always a denting task, but with such a long experience in producing very good JRPGs, I'm sure it's possible for Monolithsoft and combine both aspects the most masterfully is obviously the key to success. It's not only by releasing classic average cool and entertaining JRPGs that Takahashi and Monolithsoft made a name for themselves and the Xenoblade series, it's by trying to go further and proposing deeper and fascinating complex stories that make you question things, and even if this aspect is toned down in Xenoblade, it's still present and gives Xenoblade something more compared to most JRPGs. Of course the complex stories and ambitious lore are also what hurt the sales of Xenosaga for being less accessible, but that's also what brought critical acclaim to Monolithsoft thanks to more erudite people who could get philosophical, biblical and literary references. The error has never been to try to go deeper and more complex. It's just that Takahashi lacked the right way to convey it for a large audience to speak even to people who wouldn't have some major references. Of course I'm not saying he should do simpler stuff and the global population should rather strive for more learning than less cause the more knowledgeable, always the better for our society, but what Takahashi needed was the more flashy and entertaining approach of Xenoblade to captivate a larger audience and get more sales. It's a combination. The difficulty for Takahashi now and pretty much anyone who wants to be successful in many video game genres and beyond is finding the most entertaining and engaging ways to convey a rich, deep and complex story but I'm sure they can do even better than Xenoblade now to reach the level of complexity of Xenosaga. Regressing to something much simpler like most JRPGs would hurt the whole JRPG genre and probably even the whole video game industry as a all. People need to be interested the right way in more complexity, it's what develops critical thinking and the reflexive spirit of an individual. To get used to questioning things is fundamental.

[@CycloneFox]

My guess is that while the blue light represents KOS-MOS, she’s not just emitting light for no reason. I would guess that it is her energy shield, which she also used to at the end of episode I, to enter Second Miltia‘s atmosphere while not vaporizing. (extending it around the Elsa in a wing-like shape) We only saw the fully extended version, which represented wings. But These were also white with a blue glow around. Very much like the blue glowing white dot at the end of Future Redeemed.

[@therealjaystone2344]

Could be from xenoblade x

[@CycloneFox]

@@therealjaystone2344 That has nothing to do with anything my comment was talking about. If you are one of these people who try to deny the Xenosaga references based on Xenoblade X theories then I don't know what to tell you. None of the theories how Xenoblade X can fit into the Blade (1-3) universe are very convincing. And even if they end up connected to each other in some retconning way, I don't quite understand why Xenosaga shouldn't also be canon with that high amount of retconning already needed. The Saga references on the other hand are much easier to connect. Saga's lore perfectly meshes into Blade's lore and the references are not just repurposed terms like the references to Gears or Blade X. They literally show a Vector product in the scene with the logo and call out an antogonist from Saga by his first and last name. An antogonist, who was already confirmed to be hundreds of years old in Xenosaga and likely even from the Lost Jerusalem era (which is Klaus'es world in Blade), thousands of years old.

[@mattgezockt2596]

​@@CycloneFox it is very easy to fit x in that if they say earth wasnt destroyed (the characters in game arent even sure). Lets just simply wait, it makes no sense to discuss about that

[@Sherkel]

Calling it now. The next one will be a racing game, Monado Grand Prix.

[@eggmang1752]

Shit I'd play that

[@brigadeleaderharuhisuzumiy8589]

They should make an entire Xeo series game collection pack for modern game consoles. The same way Square Enix keeps re releasing Kingdom Hearts in collection game packs. The fans need this.

[@user-sn1hi7my7x]

I never got to play the Xenosaga games when they released, so I'm looking forward to getting to play them for the first time. I still would like a sequel to Xenoblade X as it left us with a few cliffhangers.

[@Human_01]

I don't have the money and TV setup for this! But i would love to play xenosaga remastered. I would love a sequel to xenoblade chronicles x (my favourite).

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Keep your fingers crossed as a Xenosaga port, remaster, or remake is most likely what we get next

[@previllion5355]

My crazy headcanon that ties it all together: Klaus’ experiment > Earth disappears and the Xenoblade games happen in their own dimensions over thousands of years > history and events of Xenosaga occur > Earth (Lost Jerusalem) reappears in the Xenosaga universe, but-this is vital to the theory-it comes back in the exact state it was in before disappearing, including all of the people who were living there (this also means they still think they’re in the year 20XX AD while the rest of the universe is in the TC era) > KOS-MOS falls to Earth and takes on the identity of Elma, helping the humans on Earth to catch up to the universe’s technological advancements > events of Xenoblade X happen > events of Xenogears way in the future after that Also let’s say the Samaarians have something to do with Soma Bringer lol. Source: I’ve played Xenoblade 1-3 + DLCs, I’m partway through X but know most of the plot details and about Elma, Xenosaga 1-3, and I’m near the end of Soma Bringer (though that inclusion is kind of a joke because of the similar names Soma/Samaar). I haven’t played Gears but I’ve seen the overarching plot in let’s plays, so that inclusion may not work without retcons I dunno. Edit: forgot to mention that, in this theory, the Ghosts in X are the souls/consciousnesses of everyone from the Blade universes and the mothership is Origin.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I like the theory but that part that lost me was including X. X happening after Saga wouldn't make sense since Saga happens around 4,500 T.C. and Xenoblade X happening in September 2054 A.D. (T.C. and A.D. roughly meaning the same thing). Future Redeemed also kinda debunks X as well since the date of the arkships departing in Klaus's world doesn't line up with that of X. I'm not trying to ruin your fun or theory as I like it, I'm just showing the flaws in it

[@previllion5355]

@@paragonoftorna2548 that’s why I mentioned everyone who came back in the restored Lost Jerusalem would still be in 20XX AD-the universe has moved on to 4,000+ TC, but Earth comes back as it was before it disappeared, meaning they perceived no passage of time. Still a stretch, but it would enable the two to be compatible with fewer retcons.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@previllion5355 I can see that as a possibility

[@Tsohartales1774]

@@paragonoftorna2548 I will honestly say the A.D calendar is not the same as to the T.C calendar in Xenosaga. They are different!. I've studied the T.C calendar lot from Xenosaga. If you think that they are the same from a A.D calendar to the T.C one. I dont think so, 3000 T.C is 6000 A.D. Over 4000 T.C is 0ver 7000 A.D. So Yes Xenosaga mostly takes place in 7278 A.D. And the T.C calendar replaces the A.D calendar after the 2500 A.D era. And 0001 T.C would be 2036 A.D. Since one year in the T.C calendar is 36 years, or 13,726 days in one year. Also the T.C calendar would have 24-31 months in a year and over 45-60 days in a month. And for that, I say Xenoblade X cant take place after Xenosaga. It makes no sense after understanding it.

[@ghostfacekhila]

In Xenosaga 3 Kevin talks about when humans left because we needed to

[@brigadeleaderharuhisuzumiy8589]

They need to remake all the Xenosaga games for modern game consoles. And give us Xenosaga Freaks in a game collection pack for modern game consoles. If any series is to be brought back, it should be the Xenosaga games.

[@GDKight]

I hope the Baten Kaitos Remasters did well, so Bandai Namco does greenlight Xenosaga Remakes or Remasters. Though I would like a full on remake in the style of Xenoblade.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I think just the very fact that Baten Kaitos got a remaster, there is hope that Saga is also very possible. Both series being in similar circumstances

[@therealjaystone2344]

Spoiler: it didn’t sell well because of no marketing by Bandai

[@renren47618]

Baiten Kaitos didn't sold well because of: Lack of marketing Censorship polemic Lack of English dub

[@UltimateGattai]

@@therealjaystone2344 ​ @nonewingedren4303 I'm just hoping for a PC port, it's the only reason I haven't bought the game yet.

[@shiroihana4381]

@@renren47618 and they'll probably blame it on us "not being interested" lmao

[@mankdemes8887]

I think many people are lacking perspective on how the older games are going to fit into the curreent canon. If Takahashi is going to retcon one of them in to fit this story he envisioned what is truly stopping him from retconning both games into current lore? X's ending was full of cliffhangers and unanswered question which solutions can be solved by bringing it into main canon.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Though Iagree that X could be retconned into the numbered games at some point, my argument is that FR has nothing to do with that. At least for now, X isn't involved in anything

[@xxargonautxx9790]

This comment aged like fine wine 🍷. X being remastered plus extra story elements. Saga could be next.

[@FoxHoundUnit90]

I remember when saga came out back in the day, sadly I never got a chance to play them. Really hope we see a remaster. Also it’s a shame that we didn’t get the six games it was originally supposed to be.

[@linkkling]

so excited for the xenosaga reamsters!! (the title has a typo just fyi)

[@paragonoftorna2548]

That not the first time and will be the last time I make a typo in the title😭

[@Michail_Chatziasemidis]

Best video to end the year! 🎉

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Not planned but not complaining

[@JustJulyo]

Takahashi, I'm ready ready for whatever you want to give me in 2024!

[@ifrit1937]

Imo rather than remasters the Saga series may need full on remakes so that all of them (all 3 or maybe even more if they expand on things not covered well in the original versions to need another game) have the same cohesive art style (the biggest issue with the original versions of the games imo as all 3 look far too different from each other and not in a good way for a series of games who's stories were all interconnected (Trails kinda gets away with this due to only changing art styles/engines each arc but keeping them the same for the games in that respective arc, Saga swapped the art style and maybe even engines each game)...they probably should've just kept the 1st game's art style for all the games (would've also made budgeting the series a bit easier)) and core combat system (each game after the first can of course add in new systems I guess but the core combat system should work the same with each game regardless of if it's turn based, action, MMO style like Xenoblade, a hybrid system of turn based and action, or maybe even a system that lets you swap between turn based and action (kinda like Kuro no kiseki/Trails through Daybreak))...basically think of say Tales of Xillia 1 and 2 and how 2 added in the weapon weakness system on top of the elemental weakness system that was in the first game or how in the Crossbell Trails games they added Master Quartz in Azure while Zero didn't have said system on top of the Burst system as well which was added in Azure). And while I have not played the Xenosaga games I have heard that there has been quite a few plot points that felt iffy/not developed well enough or just rushed which could get expanded on as well as rumors of plot points cut out entirely (not to mention 3 more games which means a lot was rushed to put it in just 3 games) this would allow them to fix these issues which may need another game to adequately split the games' events up well to fit any new plot points/rewrites to make the story more solid. With all this said if they do remake the games there is a good possibility that a lot will be cut out and reworked to fit a smaller amount of games rather than expanded on by focusing more on the OG game's main story almost like how FFVIIR is handling the FF7 remake (granted...they're making more games in that case but that's splitting 1 game into 3 and massively expanding on Midgar to a ridiculous degree (mostly by much longer cutscenes, expanding on existing plot points, and making dungeons much longer (especially Hojo's) more so than by adding many more new main points) as that section was originally just 3 hours or so). This does not necessarily mean it'll be bad mind you as depending on how they rewrite things it may wind up being written better by focusing on specific plot points more while dropping others that may not have been as necessary as the most important plot points in the OG games (all games generally have tons of stuff that could just get cut easily and barely play a role in the main plot, stuff like that could be cut/replaced with something new that may help with character building for characters). If Chronicles is adding lore that makes Saga relevant I do see Saga being revived as either remasters or remakes only due to the fact there will likely be too many players who've only played Chronicles and never touched Saga and if said Saga relevant stuff is important for future Chronicles/other future Xeno IPs they'll probably need to make the games available sooner or later for that reason alone (kinda like how Falcom finally gave us the Crossbell games as it was becoming clear by Reverie (and honestly they should've been out before CS3) the games needed to be released in the west as far too many important plot points for the series was tied to those 2 games).

[@paragonoftorna2548]

If you are still not convinced, please go watch Luxin's video about it (linked below). I am notoriously horrendous at explaining things in detail concisely. He makes a much more coherent and convincing case for Xenosaga. kzbin.info/www/bejne/opSQZH6ojd6Ud9Usi=2kT13pkt_eZiR5Gs

[@glorbojibbins2485]

Lol at least ur honest

[@kos-mos2084]

Great video but for the blue light KOS-MOS section there’s better evidence in Xenosaga III itself when you clear the game. If you check KOS-MOS’s database entry, it pretty much confirms that blue light is her new awakening. Takahashi loves to leave hints like this. The Japanese version of Small Two of pieces (Xenogears ending theme) contained the entire plot of Xenoblade 3 word by word and is called Moebius. So this isn’t speculation at this point.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Oh wow! Thanks for this, I'll definitely look into it!

[@kos-mos2084]

@@paragonoftorna2548 You’re welcome! Honestly, it’s the biggest evidence for KOS-MOS right now. But I think other evidence is also Saito drawing KOS-MOS in the KOS-MOS FIX book. She looks like a combination of XB2 KOS-MOS and V4 KOS-MOS. This could be the new KOS-MOS for all we know.

[@simonplumaj5542]

I read through the Japanese lyrics and I don't see anything that relates to Xenoblade 3. Why do you think it "contains the entire plot of Xenoblade 3"?

[@kos-mos2084]

@@simonplumaj5542 I don’t see how you cannot think it is about Xenoblade 3, personally. The first part of the lyrics talks about how everything has ended and a couple’s road begins (Noah and Mio) as they run to the end of the world. The next part talks about an eternal blue sky where 10 billion stars hide from our eyes. This is suggesting that Aionios is eternal and everything is hidden. The truth I see when I close my eyes is here: Moebius is the villain and responsible for everything. Next part mentions that there is always something leading and deceiving me and more than fate this power is enveloping our world. This is talking about Moebius again. Next line: With the turning of a page, a story opens, and 10 billion stars are spun. I am not afraid of the memories we will share = Noah and Mio. Next line: Let me listen to your beating heart, Let my body hear words I can understand, and then so we can travel to a greater destiny. This is literally Ouroboros. Noah and Mio feeling eachother’s words and memories and traveling to a greater destiny means changing the future from Moebius. The last lines of the song are: In that monent of warm joy 10 Billion nights shake, Do not cry and time takes care of everything in this turning Moebius. Aionios is a literal Moebius in frozen infinite time and Moebius controls everything. So yes, Takahashi had Xenoblade 3 in mind as far back as possibly the early 2000’s. What else can it be? The song is literally called Moebius and Xenoblade 3 is pretty much Perfect Workd episode VI if you think about it.

[@kos-mos2084]

Better translation: Let's walk to the ends of the earth And open the rusty doors Everything's come to an end Our road begins from this place onward In this endless blue sky Ten million stars hide themselves Here is the truth you can see with your eyes closed There's someone leading me There's something controlling someone A force greater than luck Envelopes our world A story, opening dazzlingly Spins ten million dreams Piled-up memories aren't frightening, surely Ah, let me hear your beat Let me hear the words only your body understands In order to voyage even further beyond luck In the hot joy of a single moment Ten million nights waver Don't cry: time is always a turning Möbius, carrying everything

[@supersayandarmanitan]

A lot of this goes over my head because I've never actually played thelm, but if we do get remasters/remakes, I want them to keep a turn based system just because that's my favorite battle style. Also, as someone who has never experienced these games, I would like that story to be relatively untouched. One last thing, I don't know where I heard this, I could even be imagining it. When Xenoblade 3 came out, someone said Takahashi wanted to make something more "traditional" (4 elements, knights and magic, etc.)

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I remember hearing something similar to that Takahashi thing too. That's the elusive "new IP" we heard about years ago. That may be what has working on next during the break from Xenoblade but I'll have to look into it to describe it more specifically

[@xxargonautxx9790]

Dude, we’re getting xenoblade X port to switch. This is after Takaharshi said it wouldn’t happen because of funding and remaster costs. I believe we finally could get Xenosaga remasters. Monolith has a lot of pull with this gen. Also switch 2 confirmed to be backwards compatible. We can dream! Would easily sell 2 million. Ps. I also loved this video! Gained a sub!

[@RetroDegenerate]

Omfg!!!!!!! Yessssss this is my favorite underrated rpg of all time.

[@Seekarr]

Keep in mind, Xenosaga Episode 3 is not a Tetsuya Takahashi game. I'm not sure how much weight I'd put into the belief that something is referencing that game rather than one of the games that Tetsuya Takahashi actually did direct.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Takahashi drafted and supervised the story and even if he didn't directly direct the game, he was still heavily involved and oversaw everything

[@King__John95]

Hell yes I part four but PlayStation and Nintendo give us the games as a classic catalogue

[@Xeno_Des]

About the 6 Xenosaga games you are technically right, but not fully. Xenosaga 1-3 were originally gonna be "Xenosaga 1" even Xenosaga 2 isnt fully what Takahashi had in mind due to development issues. Orifinally Xenosaga was gonna be an antholigy series with the only characters to carry over being KOS-MOS and chaos. The story was a bit too much for 1 game and eventually got split into the 3 we got, amd not the 2-3 you are thinking of. If Takahashi vission did come true who knows howany games Xenosaga would have need, could have been as little as 6-9 or even as high as 18 if not more.

[@TheBeholderist]

I guess the Saga series was supposed to be like 3 arcs (2 games per arc which means the six part series or 2 arcs of 3 games)

[@Tav0007]

I hope they remake xenosaga. It’s just so good. KOS-MOS and Shion both deserve their time in the light.

[@jameslawrenson1208]

I just want an epilogue showing the casts of the three games, is that too much to ask?

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Of Xenosaga?

[@jameslawrenson1208]

@@paragonoftorna2548 Xenoblade.

[@ifrit1937]

...Uh...the dlc expansion? I haven't played it myself yet as I'm not done XBC3 yet (had it since a month after it's release but unlike 1 and 2 something about it doesn't draw me in as much and other games/stuff besides games wound up taking priority...tbh there's no real hook at all in the game like there was in 1 and 2. I'm at chapter 4's end if the walkthroughs are right and there still isn't that one cutscene that really pulls me in like say the attack on Shulk's home town in 1 or when Rex met Pyra in 2...the closest was the first Ouroboros transformation I guess but after that no other cutscenes really did it for me yet and unlike most fans of the series I do NOT like the combat much and mainly play the series for the character and stories (I don't like MMO style combat, would've preferred either full action where you control every attack/special/dodge/etc with no rng system in place for 'dodging' attacks or turn based system or some hybrid like Eternal Sonata)...I'll get it done eventually given I want to see it's end but in comparison to 1 and 2 the main scenario of 3 up to at least the end of chapter 4 (far too long into the story) is just bland...maybe chapter 5 onward it picks up but that's way too long for that to happen in any game imo. The characters are great though mind you, i have no issue there, but the scenario itself is lacking for what i've played so far).

[@lpfan4491]

Xenosaga reamster in the title at videorelease. Amazing.(Yes, I started writing the comment right away, but I couldn't finish until much later. Personal things getting in the way.) Also, I recently realized that this series is pain, lol. It sorta eluded me for months because I am still focussing hard on blade, but that silly Xenosaga II bonus DVD is kinda the bane of my existance. I will have to get both versions(US and EU) to accurately document them(Because the majority of their coverage is pretty mid because nobody cares about an incomplete cutscene-compilation of EP1 that appearently never even came out in japan) and as far as I can see, people do not even sell the EU version seperately, only boundled with Xenosaga 2. Also yes, this is infact relevant to me because the EU version is presumably the only source of EP I localizations for the EU-languages, even if I heard the german subs at least being atrocious. I cannot order them right now because of money concerns and I just pray they will still be available at sane prices in half a year to a full year, they are pretty rare on the market afterall) 8:20 Which is infact a proper "Xeno multiverse lore connection"-moment because that is infact the backstory of Xenogears with it ending with a new planet being populated by humans. Of course, this is unlikely to literally be the same universe as other games because this involves a majorly diffrent situration. Heck, it's even more scuffed if we assume Xenosaga to be in the same world as other games because that just doesn't work out at all. Yeah, I stick to multiverse, same with X and possibly Saga. 8:47 Never heard of that one. I heard people theorize that it is the X characters showing up after their series ended(and they found out why they aren't all ded. We really need those sequels). The most major thing against this being Kos-mos is just a pile of confusion and unclarified things. -If Xenosaga is in the same universe: Kos-mos Re: and T-elos Re: predate Kos-mos? Yeah, something is majorly sketchy about this, that's why I'm not particularly a sagablade-believer. -If Xenosaga is in a diffrent universe in the same multiverse: This is less immedietly running against a wall, we can just say Kos-mos while drifting through space went through some sort of anomaly and arrived at the Xenoblade earth years before the experiment happened, everything's cool beans timeline wise because we already assume time/space travel. But then we have a diffrent issue. If the original Kos-mos crashed millenia ago, she cannot be that light, unless we go full "Into the Xenoverse" with it. -If Xenosaga does not exist and we instead have an alternate version of events in blade with none of these troubles and we should forget about what we know from Saga: Why are the cores of the Trinity processor shaped like the nonexistant Zohar rather than the actually existing Conduit? What was the purpose of the Hilbert effect?(which we know exists because Kos-mos Re: can use it as a special) To fight fogbeasts? Were there fogbeasts in the original world before the experiment? Was the Ontos-core always designed to be a foggy thing instead of later turning like that? Was Alvis using a Foggers-emote on Discord? And yes, story references in this series usually do mean something. Heck, remember the silly land of challenge-DLC in 2 that people didn't take seriously at first? Well, we still don't know if it is canon, but I noticed something while playing. *In reference to Shulk and Fiora getting unlocked for maingame, the archsage specifically explains that their actual bodies cannot enter Alrest and vaguely hints at a doomsday scenario*. Come Xenoblade 3, indeed, it is revealed that if they entered Alrest, the result is that they would have been erased instantly and they would have put a nasty hole into the world that surely would have inconvinienced its inhabitants. 9:07 Yeah, it means nothing because the spelling is the same in japanese. Both localization teams just spelled it diffrently. The official japanese romanization also used the "Dimitri"-variant, so...yeah.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Like I said, there would have to be a lot of retcons for Saga to work but it's possible to make those retcons. As for the Xenoblade 2 Land of Challenge. That isn't canon. Luxin made a video proving that. I might be wrong on this next point but I don't think KOS-MOS Re: and T-elos Re: are canon either. I'm less sure about that but I don't think they are eventhough KOS-MOS is said to be made by Shion and Allen, that could just be flavor text

[@lpfan4491]

@@paragonoftorna2548 The video from way back? The video really didn't say much contradicting LoC being possible, the biggest issue pointed out was the reference to Bionis/Mechonis and that basically went away when XC3-related content decided to refer to Shulk's new world as "the world of the Bionis". I guess the new world is just similar enough to not be treated any diffrently. The bigger point anyhow was more that we should really not discard anything as "just a reference/just a bit of fanservice" by default when they basically referenced the inciting incident for 3's story(that the worlds are incompatible) years in advance. Also, it would be weird if they made the Re: blades noncanon when they are the origin of Xenoblade being connected to Saga.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@lpfan4491 There are some inconsistencies with Shulk and Fiora chronologically from what I remember and Elma doesn't make sense to be there. I'll explain later when I can go back and look into it. I'm not able to right now

[@Dhalin]

If they remaster Xenosaga 1, they need to do the other games too. It'd kinda stink if they only did the first, and didn't touch the others.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I agree but I was saying at the very least if we got anything Saga, then it should be a remaster of 1

[@neogotham2k39]

Xenosaga is a great series and KOS-MOS is my favorite!

[@rghennig1]

That's definitely not Mira in fact i think the game implies its both one and two's world Interlinking truly into one world and not the endless now which we know is not truly one world and it's also said that before the two worlds were separate they were one before which was klaus world and was implied to be Lost Jerusalem edit also sorry if i didn't word that correctly i hope i got my point across anyway have a great day and cheers to a new year

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I know what you mean. When Klaus did his experiment, it split the Earth into two pocket dimensions and at the end of FR is shows it rejoining into its original form

[@yeez13]

And here I was hoping for the Xenoblade Chronicles X remaster/remake or sequel. If they FINALLY pull the trigger on the Xenosaga remasters or even a Sequel/reimagining of the originals…even better! XCX had such a wild amount of cut content and unused/stapled-on concepts (see: that random boss fight with those two weird mechs with unique unlockable weapons), it could definitely benefit from a remaster (or full-on remake) that adds it all back in or gives a definitive path forward for X into X2 or even a full-on crossover with the baseline Xenoblade/Saga/Gears series

[@bc_life2374]

Xenosaga remakes would be a dream. Like what final fantasy just did with 7. Redo the old game story with new tech and combat systems.... yes please 🙏

[@jamesm5673]

impov lets be honest, they dont mention Philadelphia class mothership for he hell of it. You got to go deep into lore know what that is. If you know, you know so I think whats going to be retconned is the dates/time and there will be an explanation as to how it all became linear. btw where the hell is the conduit/Zohar lol. Also, if you think about it, this covers the mysterious story gap of what the hell happened to earth in the saga series/perfect works this whole time. So now that the matter shift event happened in saga and Lost Jerusalem is back, its no coincidence KOSMOS floated right back to earth. Demetri doesnt seem like he can actually disappear due to himself conscious shifting similar to Miang in Gears. IMPOV this next Xeno game will be thee Xeno game we all wanted even since the original gears game....i hope.

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

>Xenosaga 4 being a thing Don't give me false hope!

[@paragonoftorna2548]

When I say Saga 4 I don't necessarily mean the next game in the Xenosaga series. I'm more referring to Xenoblade 4 incorporating the story of Saga 4 and them being basically the same thing. Xenoblade 4 but with Saga story and lore mixed in

[@mattmaddogwheaton4724]

@@paragonoftorna2548 Again, don't give me false hope.

[@velocityraptor7188]

Let's see Wilhelm! XD I can do his voice quite well actually. Wilhelm vs. Yeshua in Lost Jerusalem. Jin wakes up in the past. Kos-Mos falls to earth. Or maybe Wilhelm is closer to Roman Emperor Nero if its in the ancient past. Or maybe Earth present day before the discovery of the Zohar in Africa? Let's see Wilhelm playing HaKox. :)

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Wilhelm playing HaKox💀

[@fireembliam9090]

22:35 What is that noise in the background of this KZbin video of yours please.

[@penpenpenguin]

Please return to Gears and Saga. I've waited so long.

[@joercagu2]

We are gonna get Xenosaga remasters first and then Xenoblade X definitive edition on Switch 2, thats for sure

[@elplayclown257]

At the beginning of xenogears there's also something falling into the new earth

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I understand but Gears can't be included in Blade because of Square

[@IndigoVagrant]

Xenoblade Chronicles X has gears. They are called Skells in that game. Square does not own the all mechs as a trademark so Xenoblade is very much free to incorporate them as they please.

[@RaidenKaiser]

Combat i dont think has to play like xenoblade but they definitely should make it engaging, maybe take inspiration from the break system of octopath traveler or the one more system from persona.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Saga 3 already has its own break system that's kinda similar to Octopath's

[@AGibson723]

We already have part 5. Xenogears.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Xenogears is Episode V of Perfect Works

[@RaidenKaiser]

Personally i think a reboot would be better than a remaster, would give a chance for them to see their vision realized now that they struggled with in the past, or at least remake xs1 and xs2 those from what i have heard have aged the worst. Xs1 with its level design could use a good rework and xs2 i never played it but i havent heard nice things.

[@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920]

XS2 too is actually pretty good but the gameplay hampers it, that said ppl act like going through it is like walking on broken glass or something but its not THAT bad.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920 I've been saying this for so long

[@zhongliimpact6220]

@@justsomeguywithlasereyes9920 agree. ppl love to trashtalk on XS2 but it's actually a good game. With flaws yes but very far from what they make it sound like

[@Sergus914]

Next one should be call Xenocrusade

[@flik221]

I'd rather get a xenogears remake but a xenosaga remaster would be awesome

[@hyliastone286]

Xenoblade Saga being sorta like Final Fantasy 7 Remake is exactly what I've been thinking and I'm glad someone finally put it into words 'cuz even I was struggling to, lul

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Kinda surprised no one else has mentioned it yet😅

[@therealjaystone2344]

I don’t want every action rpg to be like FF7R1 because bothe games are really different from each other

[@hyliastone286]

@@therealjaystone2344 I meant conceptually, not exactly mirroring its story and gameplay. Its gameplay would be like Xenoblade Chronicles and its story would be a revamped and remixed version of Xenosaga

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@hyliastone286 rather be to stay what it is as a turn based rpg

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@therealjaystone2344 If Saga got remakes, they could very well stay turn based. I only mentioned FF7R as an example of how the story could be done to include Saga and Blade

[@akasuna91]

I want my KOS-MOS back!

[@eddiec9756]

Hear me out. Xenoblade Chronicles 4: A Saga Reborn. It would make for a great title merging the two story lines.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I'm all for it

[@renren47618]

This sounds more like a DLC name, i could see them only truly referencing Saga in a DLC like 3 only connected more to the past games in FR. The main game would loosely reference Saga stuff, and they would probably have already announced/released remasters to the 3 games on the next Nintendo console, then people would play it and get the DLC connections to those games. I don't know If this could truly happen, but it would be cool.

[@shrap3d]

Xenosaga.... needs alot of work. I'd much rather see a deal made with weakened Square for Xenogears. But I expect him to go forwards. Not backwards.

[@mattgezockt2596]

But they generally dont want that the players need to play games before to understand whats going on (like in 2 and 3). In that way Xenosaga wouldnt make sense

[@danieltinsleykhvsff9622]

I'm honestly scared of the future of the xeno series.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

For what reasons?

[@danieltinsleykhvsff9622]

​​@@paragonoftorna2548 thee creator says that the next xenoblade will be "vastly different". But what does that even mean? I just don't think I'm all that prepared for what comes next. That being said I would love a xenosaga remaster or remake.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@danieltinsleykhvsff9622 Given how much Xenosaga is becoming relevant again, I'm confident there will be some type of re-release soon

[@jeffcarrier9808]

Dont get my hopes up but why a xenosaga 4? It was so concluded in 3.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Because Xenosaga is still largely unfinished. Xenosaga was far from concluded in 3. Saga 1&2 were going to focus on the Shion/KOS-MOS story arc, 3&4 on the Nephilim/Abel arc, and V&VI on a new 'Fei'/'Elly' arc. We didn't even get the entire Shion story arc across the three games we got. It's also pretty obvious by the Xenosaga 3 post credit scene that something else was going to happen. It's a cliffhanger. Xenosaga 3 was concluding what already happened as best as it could. The full Xenosaga story that was originally planned is nowhere near halfway done

[@bk327]

Xenoblade Saga

[@TheBeholderist]

That would be the appropriate title for the new Blade series, if they're gonna merge some blade and saga lore and universe.

[@Zanolith]

I would LOVE to get xenosaga remakes. But I would rather they keep that series out of xenoblade if they don’t plan on reforging the story to fit into the xenoblade narrative. If 4 or whatever its called ties into both xenoblade and saga without even giving us remakes or ports I’d be really disappointed. Personally I think a new trilogy taking aspects of xenosaga and telling their own story would be the best way to go

[@paragonoftorna2548]

That's most likely what is happening. The new Xenoblade will have parts of Saga included but will be more Blade than Saga. We could get Saga remakes/remasters to hold us over until the new Xenoblade. We've already had this with DE holding us over until Xenoblade 3

[@Zanolith]

@@paragonoftorna2548 yeah that seems most ideal for someone like me who hasn’t played saga but is very intrigued by it. I’m also really hoping for a xenoblade warrior game and x port too 😅

[@Genethagenius]

I’m sorry, but if they don’t SERIOUSLY update the battle system and put in some Quality of Life changes then I’m not touching a “Xenosaga” remaster.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

You dislike the combat that much?

[@renren47618]

Xenosaga remasters? Probably Xenosaga 4? That's probably not happening, FR was all about moving foward from Takahashi's past works while keeping the good stuff about it (not getting completely rid of the past), returning to Xenosaga would be returning to the past. I think that the Saga references only hint that the next Xenoblade Saga will be a retelling of Xenosaga and its unfinished ideas, just like Blade 1-3 are a retelling of Gears with original stuff It is possible that we might see Dmitri for example being a relevant character, but not the same one from Saga or maybe even KOS-MOS (i mean she appeared in Blade 2 as a cameo) but i don't think it will be as Saga 4 but rather something like when JoJo part 7-9 make callbacks to JoJo part 1-6 universe using characters that look the same as the old universe ones (like Rohan) or just creating whole new characters with the names of past ones or that are callbacks to them.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

When I say Saga 4 in my video, I don't necessarily mean the next game in the Xenosaga series. I'm more referring to Xenoblade 4 incorporating the story of Saga 4 and them being basically the same thing. Xenoblade 4 but with Saga story and lore mixed in. Xenoblade 4 and Xenosaga 4 basically being one in the same

[@renren47618]

@@paragonoftorna2548 Maybe this could be the thing but i think they will only reuse a few things like i said, but mostly new concepts similiar to Saga, and Gnosis is highly possible to return.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Yes that's what I mean. It will still largely be Xenoblade but with a bit of Saga mixed in

[@therealjaystone2344]

Xenosaga 3 will be remastered but the other two aged poorly that it needs a remake

[@paragonoftorna2548]

If they're going to remake 1 and 2, they might as well do 3 also

[@SuperSavajin]

How about we get both

[@paragonoftorna2548]

That would be ideal but Saga seems to be a much bigger focus right now

[@SuperSavajin]

@@paragonoftorna2548 Saga needs remakes badly and X needs answers. I hope we get both

[@omensoffate]

“Xenogears will mix in with xenosaga and will clone with xenoblade because of a radio.” 😂

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Who said that?

[@omensoffate]

@@paragonoftorna2548 you. You ramble this entire video it’s just what it sounds like.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@omensoffate I do tend to ramble but I didn't mention Xenogears connecting to anything

[@saesang352]

I love Xenosaga but I doubt there will be anymore. The game didn’t sell well. I don’t know anyone other than myself that has completed XS 3. Another issue might be publishers. Didn’t square publish 1, and Namco 2 and 3? Could be wrong about that one though

[@paragonoftorna2548]

All Saga games were published by Namco. Also Blade and, by extension, Saga is more popular now so if it did get another game, it most likely wouldn't sell as poorly

[@lpfan4491]

@@paragonoftorna2548 *wouldn't sell that poorly

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@lpfan4491 Yes. Thank you

[@saesang352]

@@paragonoftorna2548 oh I was thinking Xenogears that was published by square. But still isn’t that an issue? Namco owns Xenosaga, square owns Xenogears, and Nintendo owns xenoblade. Namco seems to not mind lending characters to make cameos in xenoblade, but a full blown remaster, sequel or remake seems like it would be much more complicated. Like who would get what % of money if they continued the storyline from Xenosaga 3 to make xenoblade 4? I know for a fact square would never let monolith do a remake or remaster for Xenogears, but hopefully Namco can work something out.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@saesang352 That is one legitimate concern that I don't have a definitive answer for but Namco and Nintendo have a pretty healthy relationship with each other. They've worked in plenty of games together and opened a studio to exclusively work together recently. I'm sure if Xenosaga re-releases did happen, they'd find a way to do it

[@SirSailorStar]

I hope if the remake becomes real, then there are a lot of hot guys 🙈

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Ziggy

[@omarreyes7626]

Alll of this is the purest form of speculative and can be easily explained as monolith studios simply paying homage to their previous works. now here's the very simply simple reason why they ARE NOT making a xenosaga game, monolith does not own the IP Namco does, now let me ask you which is simplier and cheapest to do: 1.- ask the studio that owns the IP you previously created, going through mountains of legal negotiations just to gain an IP that while it has a cult following it's been proven to have sold poorly essentially taking a gamble AND on top of all that you'd had to share profit with the actual owner of the IP making the gamble even riskier or 2.- continue to expand on the new IP you have total control of and that you don't have to share profits with another studio and have been comercial successes with one of them (XC2) being for the longest time your best selling game of all time only to be out staged by the new one (XC3) and cherry on top even got multiple awards and nominations. I mean you don't need to be a genius to see what is the best course of action here, and it would seem that people are missing the whole point of the xeno series, each franchise has ben destroyed and remade anew, perfecting it, funny enough not by design but was forced to evolved because the publishers kept the franchise every time, Xenoblade is the result from that evolution so, from a logical and even finantial point it makes much more sense to create a brand new xeno franchise rather that de-evolve and go back to the past.

[@zhongliimpact6220]

1- it sold poorly right, forgetting that a whole region didn't even have a chance to buy it. Only XS2 had a PAL version remember ?

[@omarreyes7626]

@@zhongliimpact6220 I'm confused does the fact that one region didn't get it change the fact that it sold poorly?

[@zhongliimpact6220]

@@omarreyes7626 yes ????

[@omarreyes7626]

@@zhongliimpact6220 why? It sold poorly, how and why is irrelevant, that’s the end result that’s the reason xenosaga is shelved by namco, one region didn’t sell well it makes sense not to try to sell it in other one, it’s simple business, contrary to popular belief JRPGs do not sell well in the west or is more accurate to say, they sell a fraction on what they sell in Japan, when a JRPG does not sell well in Japan is deemed a failure as it’s a certainty it won’t sell anywhere else, so I fail to see the relevance of your comment

[@Wyrickl33t]

Haha, wrong on so many points. Ignorance truly is bliss it seems.

[@ErinNivelet]

because yes of course Nintendo will accept to share their revenue on their biggest RPG licence with Bandai Namco instead of forcing Takahashi to make a completely new Xeno game or a sequel to Xenoblade X with only a few ester eggs to Xenosaga like he did in the past so Nintendo can keep 100% of the revenue... 🙃 In a more serious tone: AAA games decisions are made purely on corporate standpoint and Xenoblade is no exception: It's Hitoshi Yamagami from Nintendo that forced Tetsuya Takahashi to simplify his vision because they were afraid that a story too complex would lead to a third failure. So yes Nintendo (that own 80% of MonolithSoft) decision on Xenoblade are bigger that Takahashi's and I don't see Nintendo reviving a dead license they don't own for more than just easter eggs just to makes a few fans (not all xenoblade fans played xenosaga) or Takahashi happy... Nintendo bought MonolithSoft to makes money not friends...

[@zhongliimpact6220]

your words hurt...

[@tugaygunes4816]

telos and chaos seem really off in that tales of crossover…

[@paragonoftorna2548]

It's not exactly them. More like costumes

[@TheBeholderist]

They' arent the originals. Is velvet using telos outfit and laphicet using chaos outfit. The only original Xenosaga is KOSMOS.

[@Falto]

Yoo gears remake when????

[@lpfan4491]

Xeno fans:"Square, hit that yoinky sploinky! Please!" Square:"No." Xeno fans:"What?" Square:"That's cringe, Xenogears is part of Final Fantasy legacy content and we won't support it as its own thing anymore. Forget about it."

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Never💀

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@paragonoftorna2548a shareholder asked square to remake Xenogears, according to articles

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@therealjaystone2344 I saw that and, unfortunately, Square most likely does not care in the slightest and will do nothing with that😔

[@lindenstromberg6859]

I love Xenosaga Episode 1, but a remaster of the whole trilogy seems unlikely given the incoherence and stripped down feel of Episodes 2 and 3. Bad art changes, missing cutscenes (replaced with bland expeditionary dialogue between 2-3 characters), missing game features, inconsistent tones, broken plot, abrupt character personality changes, and choppy exposition riddled with contrivances. Abel's story was the worst, a contrived bastardization of the Xenogears backstory. Episodes 2 and 3 are far from Tetsuya Takahashi's best work.

[@corrinflakes9659]

No the next game is *Xenoblaga* 4.

[@ravvavashumirai8272]

Honestly, if they are going to return to work in the Xenosaga series, a remake would be much more appropriate to catch a solid fanbase, because those games are very flawed (in both gameplay and story) by the standards of the xenoblade games. Its story isn't bad, in my opinion has much more potential than any Xenoblade's, but it's very unpolished and has a lot of content trimmed due to production constraints. I mean, as a business it's not very wise to force your clients to consume 3 severely dated products of at least 100 h in total in order to be able to experience your latest product. You are doing a game that basically its success depends on how well the 3 previous ones did in the audience, at the end of the day. If those 3 games do not succeed because they are that much flawed, it's highly unlikely that a 4th entry would be profitable, even if it's an amazing game. That's why I think this whole Xenosaga-comeback thing is very unlikely to happen, because they would need a remake to ensure the success of the new content (as a fan I'd be in ecstasy, tough). I think the next Xeno-entry will have references to Xenosaga and it's very likely to be more or less connected to it, but will always be its own thing without depending on that original trilogy.

[@ben_sisko2149]

If it's a remaster of the three games, I'm sorry to tell you, it won't work. The gameplay is way too rough for it to work. These game need a full remake. Also, it would be nice if they rework the story a bit. There are tons and tons of concepts they never introduced properly and that are only relegated to a data base (let's remember how something similar was recieved in FFXIII). And also, the first two games would benefit from a better story-gameplay balance.

[@doc.slingblade3521]

My God dude, just call it XenoSaga Chronicles. This whole Xenoblade Saga thing that you keep saying just sounds cringe AF, and the number of times I've heard you repeat it is grating.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

That's not really my problem. That name wouldn't work for it anyway. Maybe not watching the rest of the video would help you

[@TheMunkis]

Shame to hear you're a Mira denier, smh

[@paragonoftorna2548]

I'm sorry but I'm grounded in reality

[@TheMunkis]

@@paragonoftorna2548 I'll accept your apology when we get X2 in 2030 and it confirms everything

[@paragonoftorna2548]

@TheTheMunkis In due time

[@PyraJord]

We deny Mira because X is Xenoblade 10 damn it! Just wait a while lol

[@nestorcollazo7762]

You don't understand I need to see Shion in 4k she is literally a gay icon

[@imjustcody]

Xenosaga 4 isn't happening. Takahashi is too busy with Xenoblade. Developing Saga without him is not a good idea.

[@paragonoftorna2548]

Just going to copy paste a reply I made to another comment. When I say Saga 4 I don't necessarily mean the next game in the Xenosaga series. I'm more referring to Xenoblade 4 incorporating the story of Saga 4 and them being basically the same thing. Xenoblade 4 but with Saga story and lore mixed in