Hero Wars - Opportunity Cost and Why You Should Invest in Better Heroes

[@MistyKathrine]

K'arkh Isn't Very Good But Can We Build a Better Team Around Him? kzbin.info/www/bejne/eYHYnaaPd6hksLM

[@thegreatbutterfly]

I fell for the Astaroth noob trap. I can now see that I should've built up Aurora as my starting tank. But I didn't even like the Aurora character when I was new, so I don't see how it could've happened any differently. 🤷‍♂

[@MistyKathrine]

Unfortunately this game isn't very well balanced so it's generally much to go with heroes that are good. I use lots of heroes I don't really like personally simply because they are better for getting wins.

[@Milo-id9qd]

Dante vs Khaark, Dante is also MUCH cheaper early on, because you can get his soul stones from tower shop; almost 5 star with him and in 2 months, all-star done. Ishmael, same ... from shop.

[@japostata]

Thanks for the valuable info. Towards the end you mention official Hero Wars stats about most used heroes. Where can I find those please?

[@MistyKathrine]

On the facebook page they posted the top 3 most used arena team for February 2023. I did a video about it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3zWlnVmo86pfdE

[@japostata]

​@@MistyKathrine ah ok, missed that somehow. Thank you for your reply & keep up the great content!

[@TheBarvaz]

There is another problem with astaroth and that is new players also get a free skin for him (and also get 3 star astrid for free. God knows why when you can't farm her shards even if you wanted to until months after). I play for only 2 months and I also fel into that trap but I managed to get free of that sunken cost fallacy mainly due to finding your channel and switched to aurora. As much as I like free gifts I honestly don't understand why the game sets you up for bad decisions with these ones

[@blin3526]

My main and only team is an ODH team with Astaroth and jorgen, i am still level 68 should i switch my attention to other heros? I only got Aurora and Sebastian from all the heros you mentioned as 'good' to invest in

[@niller2006]

At level 68 it is not to late to drop Astaroth for now and start putting ressources into Aurora instead.

[@rantoppp]

The main issue you will run into with your team is Isaac. Astaroth or Aurora doesn't matter Isaac will crush you with ease. You will have to plan around Isaac at some point. Sebastion is needed in this game but he is not enough to save an ODH line up.

[@hokusai3965]

Thx for the advice

[@MistyKathrine]

You're welcome.

[@djkang9222]

I guess the characters you build will also depend on what you use them for . Mojo isn't normally good but with Jhu will wreck hydras.

[@MistyKathrine]

Hydra isn't even a thing in the main game.

[@djkang9222]

@@MistyKathrine My bad I forgot mobile and browser versions are different.

[@berniecoderre3935]

Thanks again! Kristy, I have been running into a lot of Iris teams, I see you haven't invested in her, so wondering the best ways to deal with her? Thanks

[@MistyKathrine]

Best Iris counters are Rufus and Krista+Lars. To a lesser extent Aiden can help versus Iris as well.

[@berniecoderre3935]

@@MistyKathrine thanks!

[@bibihc]

Dante is better than Karkh in every single way. 1) Hit 4 spears instead of 3 2) Avoid hits while on spec 3) If there's less targets, the spears hit multiple time same target 4) Has dodge and cain patronage Only thing Karkh has on him is some vampirism and synergy with Kai and Faceless. But thats too situational. Karkh is actually good is vs Corvus teams at Foundry at CoW. Corvus altar is based on HP and tend to hit very high with Foundry buff, Karkh+Kai is a good counter to that because they have vampirism and can survive.

[@imPZs_Number_1_Fan]

Is it possible to make a list of the heros I should be investing into? Still very new to the game

[@MistyKathrine]

Kind of like my "7 Heroes You Should Get" video? kzbin.info/www/bejne/kH6rn6eNqd-YopY

[@msieee]

I finished my Dante. Can you suggest me a 2nd damage dealer who is not a physical one.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

Iris, best mage attacker in the game.

[@elkr79]

@@tobikage_forever7853 Iris deals PHYSICAL and PURE damage, despite being mage. If some player intends to pair Dante with mages, the best option would be Heidi, because Heidi can boost extra dodge.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

@@elkr79 You're wrong she only deal pure damage with her magic attack, that's why I suggested her. There is no need for Heldi he only there to counter Dante other than that he is poor. Iris pairs with Dante can counter all formations because Dante can use her first skill.

[@elkr79]

@@tobikage_forever7853 Dante-tank is ridiculous garbage, and he works only against mediocre and low teams. As for Iris, you are totally misreading damage: Iris damage is calculated on basis of her magic attack, but she deals NO magic at all. It is why huge portion of her attack can be dodged.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

@@elkr79 lol I rarely seen Iris being dodge, and why tank Dante is ridiculous garbage? You're talking like a newbie in the game stop talking that way because a huge portion of people will laugh at you. I beaten a large number of 900k to 100k formation using Dante tank and reached 9 times finish the day at 1st position at my server. For defense yes you need a real tank but if you've no time for that Dante tank is still a reasonable choice.

[@samf8474]

As a guild master, do you find Dante or Ishmael teams more useful/versatile in Guild War and Clash of Worlds? I'm considering each for a future COW squad and I think Ishmael may be stronger, but Dante more versatile.

[@MistyKathrine]

Ishamel.

[@hillarybarder2935]

How to counter holy Trinity+ fafnir + Ishmael

[@MistyKathrine]

Amira.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

@@MistyKathrine Dante, Iris, Helios (hard) too. This is why I don't recommend raising Ishmael. Dante, Iris, Helios, Yasmine are all over the servers.

[@MistyKathrine]

@@tobikage_forever7853 Helios usually isn't a problem for Ishmael due to his invincibility.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

@@MistyKathrine I'm not sure how the guy did it but he won the battle against us in cow with 136k Helios and maybe it has something to do with a 19k Mushy tank patronage by Axel (Ishmael is maxed). Ishmael was useless there (can't deal damage and die from critical).

[@tobikage_forever7853]

The problem with Ishmael is he only becomes good with his final ascension ability, and that takes stupid time and resources to unlock, so Dante is obviously cheaper to develop.

[@elkr79]

Totally wrong. "Elusive Phantom" which opens at 2nd rank Ascension, makes Ishmael more reliable and competitive than Dante.

[@tobikage_forever7853]

@@elkr79 I'll be frank. How many people you see in the game using Ishmael than Dante??? And yet you claimed Ishmael better than Dante? I seen none of any player in my server use Ishmael, or you just listen to some people claimed that he is better, that he is now reworked and thus he is better?

[@moaningrice]

@@tobikage_forever7853ifferent servers have different heroes that are common. Ishmael is objectively a superior physical attacker compared to Dante because he doesn’t get absolutely crushed by dodge+armour. I have a 770k Dante account and I’ve seen 8 armour buffs up simultaneously in an arena fight (astaroth Dante Martha remaining on the opposing team at the time). Ishmael is also a lot better against magic damage, he’s tankier and more reliable than Dante. Ishmael can 1-shot anything and everything with a little help from Sebastian and Nebula, which means he has better odds against dodge spam. Dante is great for blitzing via Dante tank+cain, and has a lot more versatility in terms of team composition compared to Ishmael, but in my eyes Ishmael will always be the better pick. However, it really does come down to your own preference, so play what you want as long as it is t a garbage hero 😊

[@jaytr1x]

Dante is more accessible and easier to level up, he fits well with Eternity team and with Rufus so I think Dante is better

[@elkr79]

@@jaytr1x We don't have Eternity teams in FB/Web. While Corvus can be efficient tank for Dante in physical or pure damage battles, they both have common vulnerability against high damage dealing mages, particulary, if they are boosted by Nebula. However, given that in FB/Web Sebastian is almost mandatory in every team, and that Sebastian boosts Ishmael as crit hit hero, Corvus - Sebastian - Ishmael with eventually added healers or supports (particularly, Morrigan) is more valuable team idea than Corvus - Dante. Again, the problem of Dante is not that how good/bad or cheap/expensive he is, but that in FB/Web any player is almost forced to play with Sebastian, Isaac, Nebula, and these 3 agility based heroes should be upgraded prior to any other agility based heroes, so initial investment in Dante is almost irrelevant. Yet, if you have already maxed Sebastian, Isaac, Nebula, it is more natural to add extra CRIT HIT heroes, and in that case Ishmael and Yasmine are more natural damage dealers for teams. There is also one other factor which is more favorable for Ishmael: you will need eventually to fight against Vadjar in Outland, and there is not a big choice of damage dealers, and Ishmael and Yasmine are the best choices there. However, against Ilyssa in Outland you need not Dante for a win; Isaac - Sebastian - Jhu - Martha + mediocre Cornelius is sufficient, and it proves again that early investment in Dante is less relevant.

[@truthseekers1620]

what about ziri and asteroth

[@elkr79]

Ziri is a luxury garbage, she is completely nullified by pure damage and Sebastian.

[@MistyKathrine]

Ziri is worse than Astaroth.

[@aleksandardimovski-pk7bl]

Guys can someone tell me can I make red rank on my heroes on mobile hero wars?

[@damiandorhoff719]

I don´t think you can do that right now. Because unlike Facebook and Web the Mobile Version only goes up to Level 120 and orange rank. Maybe in the Future you could get the Droomer Missions as well and the Level could Increase to 130 and red rank.

[@aleksandardimovski-pk7bl]

@@damiandorhoff719 That means I can till Orange +4?

[@damiandorhoff719]

@@aleksandardimovski-pk7bl yes you can only get orange +4 at the moment

[@aleksandardimovski-pk7bl]

@@damiandorhoff719 Ok Damian Thanks for your help

[@niller2006]

I have finished 23 heroes to rank red+2. It usually takes a year for me after a hero red+2 becomes fully maxed with skins and ascension. Astaroth was my first tank, Aurora my 2. I finished Kayla and are now working on Maya - things take time in this game. I think this is why some players even start other accounts - to try to focus and try out other heroes and then put the experience to use on a main big account. A hero getting new skins or a rework can improve them a lot - we just don't know which one they will rework. Ishmael was great - then they nerfed him and he became crap - and then they reworked him and now he is much better - good with Fafnir. This game is a marathon - not a sprint as they say ...

[@josephcoffman2441]

I'm learning to play Heroes in manual better. I have given up trying Titans in manual -- 100% of the I do far worse manual than Auto for Titans.

[@Derty_Werty]

yikes a lot of cursing in PMs D: