Heroes 3 Has More Than 2 Problems

[@grottoguru6473]

It's always silly to me when people complain that the game didn't translate 100% into board game form. As though that's even possible.

[@VampguyN85]

I felt this board game came out well. They did keep in mind it was a board game which has to work differently. But it still feels like the video game to me enough to be happy with the Nostalgia I feel.

[@yakmovies]

The music choice for this video drowned out all the problems lol

[@hoolio5659]

Yeah and its too loud compared to his voice lol

[@Smaakakor]

Without music .. this would be a whole other video

[@C42ST3N]

6:50 to be fair, this is completely normal and you always have to use some sort of extra material to cover gaps.

[@shamaatae22]

One of my biggest problems with the game is that all those great miniatures hardly gets used. I mean they look soo good and then you end up playing lots of stupid bent cards on the minimap battles. And maybe 1-2 real fights.

[@critters161]

same here or even worst lol. i get whatever was given during the 1st campain regular backing tier which would be 4 boxes: core game, tower expansion, streach goals, faction units and neutral units. BUT i didnt pay extra for battlefield expansion so basically i cant use these minis at all...

[@critters161]

like fck the logic.

[@rubenmahrla9800]

Pro-tip: Screw the rulebook and the campaign book. Make your own rules and campaigns, start with more resources. There's nothing to lose but everything to gain.

[@delux0365]

Very thorough review! Regarding the box organization, I don't know if this applies to the individual boxes, but in the grail box, each tray has a faint letter and number designation. For example, i1-7 are the inferno units level 1-7, i8-9 are the heroes, and i10 is the town. Just another thing that will help you if you're a die-hard fan of the computer game!

[@progstorm]

Are you referring to the "All-In" Big Box? That would have been nice inside the individual boxes, but there's no letters in mine. I'm pretty sure what I ordered was the Grail Pledge though.

[@schibur]

@@progstorm yes - it is in the big box. I have small boxes and to be fair i have no problem to put minis back to the insert however i know it can be a problem for lot of new players. It could be done better but it`s not a big pain in the a$$, as the small boxes don`t have a lot of minis in each of them (max 21) and they are in a variety of sizes so after few games it`s easily recognazible :)

[@VampguyN85]

​@progstorm no letters in mine either. I did ok organizing them. Sadly thick sleeves can overflow a bit.

[@Mom_Im_On_TV]

Background music is a bit loud. Great videos 👍

[@madtechnocrat9234]

NOT LOUD ENOUGH! kzbin.info/www/bejne/maanqqadbdWpsKs

[@Lovi07]

dude has all that music equipment in the background but still cant balance sound levels properly XD

[@anaboli_o]

No its not. :) adjust volume.

[@forsakensandor]

@@anaboli_o Yes it is, we can't adjust the diff between the background music and his voiceover.

[@leowhite3390]

Just like the PC game

[@Phixfox]

Bro, you have SUCH a professional looking setup! Production values are through the roof. Feels like a very thorough video, well done.

[@Davoodoox1]

WHAT?!?! I CANT HEAR ANYTHING EXCEPT Heroes music

[@ullashong6772]

While plenty of what you said is true (for exampe instructions here are horrible) I couldn't agree with some of the points. For example gaps in miniatures are very minimalistic. They won't be seen once you put any coat of paint on it, expecially since they are so small.

[@Thegamecheats]

Good review. i will say tho, the guide is somewhat clear on discarding when you draw over your hand limit during your turn. it says to discard down to your hand limit at the start of your turn on the little player guide cards.

[@dago6410]

This video game, like nearly other video game, is absolutely not translatable to the board game world. It requires sacrifices on both ends

[@oneoranota]

Yeah, it's almost like the whole point of video games is to make the computer handle a bunch of tedious mechanics with fun outcome. Like, I consider the video game of Magic the Gathering to be more enjoyable than the card game, DESPITE the card game being conceived 20 years prior, because it handles all the card shuffling. Shuffling cards is not fun, especially when you do it every 30 seconds.

[@dago6410]

@@oneoranota i would absolutely not agree with magic, but inthat case the game was designer to be fun with cards first. But Yes totally, lets mąkę board games that dont mąkę us think "qoupd be less tedious on a computer

[@hraughr]

it translates perfectly, several games in I can say for sure it has some quality of life and balance decisions that retains the feel of heroes, but the game is actually better. With 3 players you have pretty much 0 downtime, its really great

[@Musicpins]

I kind of disagree, well they are both turn based games which translate well to board games, however all the calculations done by the computer that he mentions he forgets, yeaaa I can see that being a problem. Most units retaliate once per turn, while some on every attack, its alot to keep in check.

[@hraughr]

@@Musicpins that's a little excercise for the brain, in an age when most functions are outsourced to machines it should ve welcomed, otherwise you'll lose what you don't use

This was a very nice review, taking in consideration all the aspects of the game! Thx! We enjoy our copy of the game as well, and looking forward for the new campaign for the upcoming 3 expansions! :)

[@Dataraptor-v9l]

16:26 It sounds a bit weird to call a game fiddly for forgetting the core mechanics (most of which clearly visible on the table/cards). We had no issue as first time players, although first few turns we might have missed some rules. Could take some games to get this into blood maybe? I enjoyed the video, good review.

[@mename7670]

You just convinced me to get in on the next kick starter. I am a huge HOMM pc game fan and was worried about getting the first KS for this. You convinced me to jump in

[@SilvesterBoots]

Your discussion on Heroes III boardgame is so detailed, that it might time to compile videos into one playlist.

[@killer00zz]

- Minis gaps are toraly normal in such big complexity and are no problem for a experences painter. - I have to sand down the towns buildings tiles a bit and now they fit perfect. - I cuted the cardboard with shard knife. - Organizations is not that great then you use Card Sleeves, and you have to mix some cards from expansions life artifakts, spell etc. - Rulebook is terrible! - i got really mixed fealing about the gameplay, in all games it loked like this: build army atack enemy, winner wins the game do the louser dont have a change to rebuld army and come back that. All this take hours of game play.... witch could to decides by one battle.

[@Jutsuss]

Gorgons look wrong. So do the basilisks. Just compare them to the pc games units. The bent foil cards straighten if you just sleeve them and leave them under preassure.

[@averagelizard2489]

As someone who played the game for 1000 hours I can't help but get irritated over it

[@reapersaurus]

Very good review! I'm just surprised that with your OCD, you can abide the first 2 misspellings of "Category" at :31 and 2:57 *wink*

[@progstorm]

Aww crap...

[@colonelburton8451]

That rulebook is a mess... I spent easily over a half an hour yesterday trying to figure out whether the Neutral enemies are the attacker or the player's hero. This makes a huge difference when playing with equal initiatives, especially since the hero also can't cast until his first activation (which is also not clearly explain btw but derived from logic)

[@Avruko]

I was about to comment that i didn't have that big of a problem with unclear rules but i remembered that i have the polish version of the game 😅

[@toiryelhsa]

The rules are abhorrently poorly written even in Polish. The order in which the rules are put in the rulebook is also very confusing. If that's not the worst rulebook I've seen it has to be a close second.

[@sylvander4972]

Dont use the normal Green stuff puddy for these small cracks. Use the greenstuff thats in a color plastic thingy and brush it on the mini. Will look better on these ones like the dragon. The cracks so small and it will be easier, smoother and look better =) And for the rulebook, yeah sure everything must be there. But google rulebook updates that comes in pdf. All boardgame have these =) And its very handy to have the rules on your phone instead of passing around the table. Some things you need to know can ruin your plans in the game were the other players will figure out what you gonna do. IF of course the person explained all rules forgott to tell something or you forgott etc. But anyway very nice content. Thank you =)

[@Lightning_Lance]

I'm surprised you don't have any heroquest content, seems like it would be right up your alley

[@Flem100DK]

Great video! Loved the way you explain combined with the background music. Well done!

[@HerrFinsternis]

Is just the base game worth it? And can you play with the battlefield expansion as your only one because that did look like fun.

[@TyphonLeTitan]

IMO you need more than the base game. And battlefield expansions is nice if you want to play with the bigger board in your nomal games.

[@HerrFinsternis]

@@TyphonLeTitan hey thx for sharing your take on this

[@landladyification]

Ah yeah, that mysterious "AI-Deck" I try to remember so badly but manage to forget almost every time until I'm like half done with the fight.

[@schibur]

exactly! :D after a lot of neutral fights it`s hard to remember to use it when fighting AI heroes :P

[@glaucioreis]

I have played "Heroes III" on the PC since its release and had never noticed the unicorn's odd tail.

[@05insomnium]

Hey this was super thorough and well produced, really good job. Held my intention even though I’ve already decided to skip this one. One point about the miniatures though. Yes, they have slight gaps where the minis are preassembled. However, I can tell you that the ones in HOMM 3 are about bang average in the industry when it comes to how egregious those gaps are. It’s simply the price we pay for preassembled miniatures. If you want a much easier fix than green stuff, to help make the gaps less noticeable, I’d recommend sprue glue. This is simply extra thin plastic glue with some plastic mixed in to thicken it up. It will help blur the edges of those gaps together. Only problem is if you don’t paint it after it might leave a more satin finish than the miniature itself. The colour of plastic used to make it also matters. If it doesn’t roughly match the miniature plastic, it might stand out a little. Anyways, real high production quality on this. Will keep an eye on your channel!

[@BS-bd5uq]

Damn, Shanghai does get to 100% humidity for quite some time each year

[@Spectans1]

Damn, 19 mins long video about two problems :/ Why cant ppl learn to make short videos nowadays?

[@miroslavzima8856]

Sometimes having computer as a gaming buddy is better than board games... Okay now, put away those pitchforks and torches, I said SOMETIMES!

[@Nalier]

I'm on the verge of backing the all-in right now.

[@rentless666]

Honestly, the game looks stunning. The main reason I didn't back it was Archon's track record of mediocre games with cool minis. I can't spend that much money on a gorgeous undercook game that plays okayish and has a confusing rulebook.

[@markalexandermaron5531]

Town board is a real bummer in my experience too. Could've given a little bit allowance. I dont try to fit them back in anymore

[@alexgloomandor3956]

Use a little bit of sand paper on the edges. Just a little bit. They fit in nicely after that.

[@TheQuestingKnight.]

glorious review and fun to watch! Keep it up King and cheers from Germany 🏰

[@ashen_strix]

We have more or less the same issues and satisfactions of the physical components overall, especially when it came to the cardboard components. When it comes to the rules, I found them rather easy, except when it came to the Specialities. Some are litteral spells, like Ring of Frost, or Resurrection, and when they said they're NOT affected by Schools of Magic cards, I kind of lost it. They even have the school icon they're associated with, so why can't they be affected? Thankfully, the game is very much flexible when it comes to ruling so we just decided it would be affected, as long as we can't see how broken it is. It's still a very RNG dependant set up, so we don't see the issue. All in all, this is one of my favorite games right now, along with the Witcher Old World when it comes to heavy board games. And I'm definitely going to back the expansions coming up!

[@TyphonLeTitan]

I made of lot of changes with the rules for my games. A lot of things doesnt make sense. But the game is good overall.

[@sapobar4788]

🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉you moved diagonaly on the battlefield but nothing says you can

[@David_Cerkez]

well it is same in PC game, if you have init/Speed. you can destroy your opponent without even worrying about him xD

[@TyphonLeTitan]

Initiative is strong but not as strong as in the PC game :P

[@hachri80]

Very good video with the sound a little bit too loud. I agree with your concerns on the game and I haven´t yet decided, if I want to keep the game or not. As a Heroes enthusiast I was completly hyped when the kickstarter came out and I just had to have it. Now it´s a mixed bag of emotions. It´s really a big game, many boxes and many hours. A three player game took us about 8 hours and we spent a lot of time on looking for answers to our questions, discussing rules and creating suiteable house rules. The rule book really is a mess and my copy is now as well after flipping the pages back and forth over and over. The game is fun though and feels like player heroes, but there are many details, that have their problems. You are always short on resources so in none of the games I played so far did any player build the gold recruiting building. Even if we had, no one would have had the money to recruit any of these gold units. Upgrading them is ridiculously expensive, like you need 2 resource rounds to upgrade one of these units which means 4 rounds in total. I think no one ever used their mage guild, because the 5 gold for the spell is better spent on units or buildings. The tree of experience: way too expensive and so on. And all these cards .. There are piles of spells and aditional skills you could use but only 2 or 3 get drawn in the entire game. The minis look great but you don´t really need them and we often forgot them. The best experience I had so far was a 2 player game with just the base game. The different factions where always one of the strongest part of the game but with the board game it also ads a lot of box management. So, on the one hand it is a nerds dream come true, on the other hand it can be a real pita.

[@DataJager]

Please don't use bass heavy music when you plan to talk over it, it makes it much more difficult to hear you.

[@1989Brolly1989]

At first I thought you ate trying yo be salty, my mistake awesome honest review. Especially while I'm saving money to buy full set :) thx bro :)

[@BBlint]

Interesting review. While I see some of the points you made regarding gameplay and the hardships caused by translating a video game to the tabletop, I feel other criticism or discomfort to be almost non-existent. Especially in the rulebook department. If something happens during the game which the rulebook doesn't speak about specifically, you and your playing partner(s) have the freedom to decide on what you think is the most logical step going forward. It's that simple. I personally would never demand from such a complex game to be able to give answers to every single one of my questions. I can easily accept that there might be scenarios where the rulebook can only give me guidelines, and I am the one who decides on what to do. Another seemingly problematic bit was about forgetting all the tiny things you have to do manually. Yeah, for a game as extensive as this, that doesn't strike me as a surprise. But the more you play, the more chances you will have to remind yourself on what things you should be doing. Sooner or later you will remember them. But if you forgot to retalite for instance and the next unit has already taken its turn, too bad. Next time, you will pay more attention, but there's no going back to previous steps. And for my last thought, if the game is too hard to comprehend for some players, it's a clear indicator, that Heroes is not the right boardgame for them. Overall, I don't think there are many changes that are truly necessary.

[@NeoWorm]

I played Karak II right after trying the firs game of HoMMIII boardgame. I will probably bastardize Karak II rules to play with HoMMIII tiles and minis. Because these two games are the difference between designing boardgame first and forcing videogame to work like boardgame.

[@SWGMurcielago]

so i might just be spoiled from age of sigmar but those minis look at best average to me like 5/10 still gona buy and paint them for the nostalgia tho lol

[@MabusCRO88]

Great video! I would recommend that you try the PC game it's really fun. The best version of the game is to get horn of the abyss expansion. There is online multiplayer with simultanious turns, also there are 2k players online daily. Besides that campaings are really fun and there are great single scenarios since game features map editor and communitiy makes wonderful maps e.g the devil is in the details map

[@Fearior]

Nice review, hope to see more.

[@lassebendixen7246]

I didnt even know this game existed til just now!

[@eigentlichtoll02]

Except for the details, overall really nicely made boardgame

[@leowhite3390]

I just bought the game and this video just decided to show until now lol

[@bushibayushi]

Love the style of your review!

[@sagittariusa9012]

Great review. I mostly agree with you. The Rulebook is really not good, especially when playing with expansions. Waayyy too many Books. I printed a overview of the map tiles from BGG,it is almost a must. Still, I still don't feel the bad rulebook is a big issue for me because i know most rules because they were asked on Archon's Discord (still bad for most people). But my biggest issue is the bad building balance (or generally Ressource balance). Pretty much all town special buildings are way too expensive and their effects are often even just bad. In the end you try to rush the dwellings and citadel to get better units (depending on playstyle, Mage Guild and City Hall too). Still like the game but it has a lot of issues. P.s: The Retail version not including a lot of additional Heroes (stretch goals) and the Tower faction is also not great.

[@temp911Luke]

This game looks absolutely fantastic !

[@sebleshah9712]

The true question is Heroes MoM3 or Mage Knight ?

[@sattm8230]

Euthia.

[@Clawpek]

They are different games for different occasions, both interesting. Mage Knight more complicated, HoMM more straightforward, especially when you look up community made rulebook.

[@jasona8396]

Biggest problem is the price. Getting the same content as a $5 game on good old games costs more than PlayStation 5.

[@temp911Luke]

Yea but try to play anything on your PS5 in 10 years :)

[@deenaxic9134]

2 full campaigns in KS exclusive? Bs, they will be available sooner or later. Kickstarter rewards and sale of already finished things, to earn more, is tooooooooooooxic.

[@stovie2712]

I was going to buy it but was like $400 aud

[@morgorth3242]

wat i hate the moost of it are the minatures arent the same as in game.

[@GrapeHate]

Really good video. Next time, make sure you're in focus before filming for 10 hours ;)

[@jameskirk4692]

Very nice quality video review! Thanks for the interesting and entertaining content.

[@ghaithking8891]

Holy moly that music was too loud my man.. :D

[@Smaakakor]

Solmyr. Tear of Asha. Win...

[@philippelaurent3776]

Good video but please reduce the background music a bit. :P

[@martinprince8253]

Heroes 3 Has 3 Problems There ya go

[@Mark-sd4hv]

No miniatures ever touch my table unless they are painted. It drives some people crazy because it sometimes can take a few month or two until we can play a game. I winced when I saw you using yours out of the box. You mentioned OCD, but you left the most glaring thing

[@incxbxs]

final score is 7.5

[@michaelvaldivia2262]

Excelent video, please keep it up!

[@LordRegalNogal]

Thanks for this!!!

[@wilsongalucho1142]

Just play the PC game....

[@richardhutnik]

Stick with Mage Knight?

[@liquiddude9855]

Mage Knight sucks

[@SilvesterBoots]

Two different games.

[@danyjacco4853]

Complaints all over the place... Just sell the thing and get on with it

[@StevanSeagal]

this guys voice is that stereotypical nerd sound

[@spaceistheplace8376]

good video,man

[@shocknawe]

All play times on boxes are lies. It’s a sad reality of the hobby. Even player count isn’t reliable. Some games just aren’t fun/balanced at certain player counts.

[@ffarkasm]

I know there are many attempts to transform video games into board games, but the general experience is: sounds good in theory, does not work in practice. I think in case of HoMaM 3 they wanted too much and a too complex system to be faithful to the PC counterpart, but apparently the general result is not good as it sounded. However, what I really like is the *Northgard: Uncharted Lands* board game. If you don't know, the original is a survival-RTS game, available on steam. But I like even more the board game version, which is still complex, still a bit difficult to learn every rule, but not that the gameplay is still not that slow or complicated that you lose interest in the game, because the developers simplified the original just enough to make it suitable for a board game. Also the good balance between personal decision making and tactics and the unpredictability of RNG makes the game enjoyable on long term because it doesn't become repetitive. Search for info, or even give it a try if you are interested. Also feel free to ask me for more information.

[@cx123456]

wtf is this music?

[@alexwallachian7720]

Wtf are you even doing here if you don't recognise the music?

[@Dodo-ck5tq]

Wow, OCD or mental disorder? I'm assuming your house is immaculate

[@Hamstray]

it's too complicated. they should make this into a computer game ...

[@WreckItRolfe]

Sounds like they didn't have enough play-testers (if any) - A big mistake. (No idea why I ended up here - I have no idea what the Heroes games are all about)

[@xlnt2new]

lvl 1 encounters are not so one sided, not at all - Necro vs Halfling especially :D City Hall round 2 can be a bad decision - you are wrong to demand it's mandatory to get that soon - it takes round 3 and 5 to get your gold back (but you still lose the stone) and getting units instead can be faaaaar more beneficial as is in the PC game, mostly noobs go for that or best players like me on when the map calls for it, noob (;

[@MrSaebo]

First

[@soulreaver9137]

To me that board game sucks greatly. Nice graphics, nice mechanical similarities, but I simply can't stand how far from the original it feels, even when I do know and accept that they had to simplify the excel-iness of the original game (less resources, much simpler battle result calculations etc.).