Hawkeye 1x03: Echoes - Reaction

[@vegasviking86]

The scene with Kate helping Clint talk to his kid was just so fn heart warming

[@MarshallLeeA]

I love that she does it unprompted

[@richardyoung3462]

Her reactions to the conversation also show her learning what Clint is giving up to help her.

[@matthollands7771]

And his emotion when he hangs up and becomes sad knowing some day he may never hear his son's voice again. Oh man. Right in the feels

[@shillanna]

Was definitely one of the moments that made me tear up. 🥺

[@sirmarshall9521]

@@MarshallLeeA A fellow Marshall Lee. *tips hat*

[@MrKrory]

Killing Clint only when he just got his family back, completely undermining Natasha's sacrifice, would be the shittiest thing ever.

[@bellkanen1998]

I don’t think Clint is biting it. If I had to guess this season is gonna end with the trope of him making it to Christmas on time and his family is gonna welcome Kate in joining them.

[@jasonmarbach]

And then Kate looks at Laura in shock (just like she did with Clint at the end of Ep 1) and says “You’re Mockingbird!”

[@CurseTheCosmos]

Yeah. I think, by the end of this, he’s finally going to be free from his past life, bestow the mantle of Hawkeye onto Kate, and live happily in peace with his wife and kids.

[@Travel__Spin]

I hope so!!!!

[@MattAlbie]

Full on Planes Trains and Automobiles ending. It would be perfect

[@gtv4005]

Yeah, I definitely think this is gonna have a good ol' Christmas movie ending.

[@CyGea]

To anyone saying, "Clint has got to die," I have a "fuck you" for you, from Nat. Clint's not getting a happy ending with his family, would totally negate Nat's sacrifice. Clint's kids needing their father, was Nat's reason for fighting for Clint's life over her's. Both were murders, except Clint killed criminals, while Nat killed her assigned targets, many of which, could have been GOOD people.

[@ChrisLamia]

Ding ding ding

[@lauxantilles]

Clint isn't my favourite, but I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Like it does NOTHING except negate Nat's sacrifice (as you said) and Clint's death would suck for Kate as well. The whole point of this show (for me) is to juxtapose Maya and Kate and their experiences with different sides of Clint and how they are reconciled at the end. Just my two cents.

[@owenhenning4980]

Thank God. Finally someone who understands that.

[@sarcasmxkate]

This is where things get muddy, we wouldn't be calling for Frank Castle to atone for his actions. In fact, we get excited to watch him murder bad guys. So turning the table and saying Clint has to atone for his Ronin days feels weirdly hypocritical. Clint beats himself up for those days. He was willing to die because of them, but like Natasha said, she doesn't judge him based on his worst moment. He helped Nat become a hero. He helped Wanda become a hero. He's helping Kate become a hero. He did really horrible things, but at his core he's a genuinely good person. We forgive Frank, we forgive Loki, why is Clint held to a higher standard? I get the instinct to want him to atone, but doesn't he deserve the same grace we give to other characters?

[@sarcasmxkate]

@@donkeydarko77 🤣🤣🤣 I apologize for my rudeness.

[@jroo272011]

Dude, Frank Castle WATCHED his family get murdered, then they damn near murdered him. He had every reason to do what he did, it was revenge. None of that happened to Clint, the blip is not justification to just kill people. If that's the case, then every person who was left after the blip, has the right to go on a murdering spree.

[@sarcasmxkate]

@@jroo272011 I'm not saying what he did was right, I'm 100% sure that's not even what I wrote. I'm also 100% sure every person Frank murders wasn't involved in the murder of his family so once he got his revenge, by your logic, he should have stopped. But he didn't, which brings me back to my point of why is Clint so different? At least he stopped. It's not a black and white situation is all I'm saying. I'm not shitting on Frank, I love that character, I'm just pointing out that it's a muddy conversation to have.

[@christopherwills6976]

Thats the thing though, we don't give Frank Castle a pass, we understand why he's doing what he's doing but there is no justification for it. Frank knows this, he knows what he is doing is wrong but Frank views it as necessary. Frank stopped Daredevil from taking that path because Frank Knows he is a criminal. Once Clint became an Avenger things changed for him, he became a hero that people looked up to as Steve Rogers states regularly the Avengers are different, Clint wasn't some random veteran that went on a spree, he was an Avenger. That is the difference. Clint was an avenger, 1 of the worlds mightest heroes that people looked up to, that became a murderer,. Frank was just a random victim of Gang violence who went after criminals. Clint is trying to live a normal life after being Ronin where Frank knows damn well that his mission ends with his death. 1 is just, and accepts that they are just, a murderer. The other is a hero that became a murderer. The same reason we didn't give John Walker a pass for his murder isn't because of the murder its because it happened while he was aspiring to be a hero. The reason Clint was and is held to a higher standard is because the Avengers should be better, his actions reflect bad on the group as well as himself. So Clint must atone. More than this is that Clint unlike Frank cant live with what he's done, he needs to atone for his save as well.

[@sarcasmxkate]

@@christopherwills6976 I get what you're saying, but the fact that Clint lives in his guilt and hates what he did, feels like atonement. Clint's whole family disappeared for five years and he saw criminals living their best lives and it drove him mad. It's not a justification, it just is what it is. Clint's also just as human as Frank, his Avenger status or not. He's not an Avenger first and a human second. It's the other way around. I'm not saying he shouldn't atone or take full responsibility for his actions, but the fact that he knows he was wrong and was willing to die for his actions, gives him some grace for me. We also have to consider the danger that could come from Clint atoning publicly. Not just for him, but his family and I'd be devastated if anything happened to his wife or children because of Clint. It's a complicated situation is all.

[@urikorsikov843]

I don't know if this will calm Hector down or send him off the deep end, but when Kazi is signing to Maya at the end and says "uncle" he signs the letters WF. And Netflix had exclusivity rights to the Marvel TV shows until 2 years following their cancellations, so all rights have now reverted back to Marvel for all of those shows. That is absolutely Vincent D'Onofrio as Kingpin.

[@jbsgk55]

Lol I was looking for the comment on the rights

[@leemorgan5255]

Oh nice catch! I had to go back and watch it. I'm not fast enough to see the W but I definitely see the F sign in the uncle motion. Very cool. That was us as the audience being too reliant on hearing :) Echo warned us

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[@MarieCadoret]

I'm not as confident as you are about this. He does make the letter F and move his hand in an upward motion, which means "find out / discover", *right* when he whispers "find out". I didn't see him sign a W either. It would make sense to sign an F after signing "uncle" but we didn't see him sign "uncle" because the camera was on her then. I'm just learning a bit of ASL, so I welcome any correction by someone fluent in the language if I'm wrong. ;)

[@robertjames2277]

And the echo series most likely will also feature daredevil before he gets his own series again as charlie cox will briefly appear as peter parkers lawyer in spiderman no way home

[@breawilldraw]

My special needs kiddo and I have been learning ASL. Check out Bill Vicars here on youtube- his teaching style is so immersive & you can learn along with a volunteer from his college course. Also sidenote but said kiddo was SO STOKED to see multiple people in the MCU that are like him. I'm not saying I was like lowkey cryin in the corner of the couch but dang it's meaningful to get this kind of representation

[@tonyabrookes9931]

❤

[@hectorminator]

This is so cool!!!

[@susanwitkowski5802]

Yes, I agree. My son is special needs and the representation is just wonderful!💕

[@breawilldraw]

@@susanwitkowski5802 I love it!! It feels extra meaningful that it’s marvel doing it, and it’s being done in a way that’s not either surface level or shoehorned in. Makes me happy that our kids are growing up with this as the norm in mainstream entertainment.

[@AngelaSealana]

Yessssss 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@CurseTheCosmos]

That chuckle when he squeezed little Maya’s cheek definitely had Vincent D’Onofrio’s cadence.

[@Steve302]

Yup! It was like a second but that was the tell for me knowing it was Vinnie D

[@kimm6589]

That was 100% his voice.

[@Josh_Lee_Henderson]

@@kimm6589 That dude's hand was also too big to be anyone's other than Kingpin (I mean it's not huge but still)

[@16jknight]

Hector, why does Clint have to die? He was in a tragic place after losing his family and that unfortunately led him to kill criminals, which the Tracksuit Mafia is. Loki has killed way more people for sheer entertainment and was given countless movies and a show to atone.

[@papl20]

I agree... He can atone and still live

[@lahirugardhihewage7921]

The situation is different , Loki started as a villain and I’m not saying he became a hero , he is sorta an egocentric antihero while Clint is a Hero and losing your family isn’t an excuse to kill other people ( even bad ) cause these are the consequences ( even bad people have families ) , I mean if everyone did what Hawkeye did after the blip , even Cap should have become a killer , since he lost both his best friends ( Bucky and Falcon ) , but he didn’t , he stayed calm and tried to help other people and so should have done Hawkeye , he should’ve reunite with the Avengers that didn’t blipped and stay with them ( especially black widow who is his best friend) . So at the end , I’m not saying that Clint deserves to die , but I wouldn’t be that surprised if that happens cause I also thought about Clint having a bad ending , I mean there are two people chasing for his head ( Echo and Yelena Belova and maybe also kingpin ) so he is in a difficult situation , let’s see what happens , but also since the show ends 3 days before Christmas , I would like to see a happy ending , with Clint finally retiring and Kate taking his spot .

[@adamburke4738]

Tracksuit Mafia

[@abhishekbaburaj1105]

@@lahirugardhihewage7921 so do we use the same "bad people have families" logic to wish death on other avengers???... Including kate who definitely killed a car full of people this episode with an explosive arrow?. Lets not be selective in terms of hatred...natasha killed ppl too, in some case even good ppl

[@abhishekbaburaj1105]

@@lahirugardhihewage7921 also I can assure u there's no way yelena is going to kill clint...that's completely outside the realm of possibility... That arc is gonna be used for just some tension and drama...not gonna end with yelena being the murderer of her sister's best friend

[@ryanswaynow]

I don’t understand why everyone says that Clint needs to atone for his time as Ronin. Yeah he got dark and depressed but all he did was kill criminals and gangsters. And the other avengers kill criminals all the time. I mean I’m sorry for Maya but is anyone stopping to think about how her dad was a member of the tracksuit mafia? The guys who in this episode we just saw driving through public roads firing off guns left and right willy-nilly around crowds of civilians? The same people who set fire to an innocent man‘s Pizza parlor because they wanted to burn Kate out of her apartment? I’m sorry but I never once saw ronin kill anyone who wasn’t a villain who had it coming. always remember al capone’s own children are on record saying he was the most kind and loving father anyone could ever have (and Capone also had a deaf kid). But nobody’s rushing to say that what happened to Snorky was a tragedy.

[@JBWinter]

In 2007, Kingpin was still dressing in all black in the Netflix continuity, so the suit color isn't super important. He didn't switch to white until after he was arrested

[@robertjames2277]

They technically don't have to acknowledge the netflix show as canon but just keep the same acters and can soft reboot this kingpin and daredevil to more suit the mcu as i am sure kingpin and daredevil will both be in a future spiderman movie

[@TheJulian0727]

So sad for Agustin, his hatred for hawkeye keeps him from showing that he actually enjoys the show. LOL

[@FullMetalB]

It's so bizarre lol

[@janddrawnillustrations7902]

I feel kinda awkward seeing him react. 😂

[@georgeloeffler6036]

Hawkeye being a “punk” and the amount of hate against him was not what I expected from this video. At this point I feel like killing him off lessens Nats sacrifice. Also the Yelena killing Clint thing seems ridiculous. Not saying she couldn’t do it but she’s smart enough to at least figure out that he didn’t kill her and get some idea how close they were.

[@brettdiving2744]

"Clint Barton's a punk" .... Look, obviously murder isn't the right form of justice especially on a revenge streak, but let's not forget that Maya's father was a member of the tracksuit mafia. As much of a loving father as he clearly was, he was still up in the wrong crowd. Not exactly a saint himself either. Also ... I will never understand Agustin's blatant dislike for Clint/Jeremy lol

[@richardcheng670]

Yeah, I’m with you. Clint is not a punk. Hector needs to calm down.

[@catfrozen3757]

I agree with Hector, because clint killed all those five years not because he was fighting crime, but stupidly because it was his way of dealing with grief, which I absolutely do not understand because instead he could actually come to Natasha and help clean up the mess that was left after Thanos, not create a new one. Mayas's father certainly wasn't a saint, but he wasn't the worst of the bunch either, and if it really was a clint then he's just a coward because he didn't go to kill Fisk, he went for the smaller fish because he knew he was sure to win which kind of doesn't play in his favor either. Also, I so "love" that those fans who are now defending Clint's crimes(if that's definitely him), who did it all consciously and willingly, can't accept the redemption arc of Bucky who committed his crimes while brainwashed, but still considered a villain. Well, that's kind of cool. And about agustin not liking jeremy, i don't really like him either, but i honestly don't care for him, and clint wasn't a very important character for me either, i liked him more in animation than in movies, he only became important after the vormir situation, in my opinion. So the fact that there's a TV series based on a certain character doesn't mean that you have to love and admire that character/actor right away.

[@FullMetalB]

@@catfrozen3757 how do you know how bad Maya father was or wasn't? Most shows involving someone trying to take down a mob moss shows them starting with the grunts and working their way through them to find the top men. In daredevil it showed how secret Wilson Fisks identity was. I doubt Clint knows his address or even knows who he is to just show up to him directly.

[@brettdiving2744]

@@catfrozen3757 I never said anything about "defending his crimes." My only point was that you gotta remember that Maya's father was a member of the tracksuits. Therefore; as nice as father he may be, he was still a criminal. Clint's vengeance spree on organized crime as Ronin put the tracksuits, and Maya's father by association, in his crosshairs. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't look at her father as necessarily a "good guy" and Clint as a "bad guy." They are both obviously more complicated characters than that. Two sides of the same coin so to speak.

[@catfrozen3757]

@@FullMetalB How do you know for sure if it was a clint or not but you defend it de facto anyway?And to the second part of the comment, that's the point, clint wasn't trying to get to the fisks and the big shots of the underworld that were left, he was just killing everyone in a row.Although if he really wanted to get rid of criminals, then yes he would have done what you described, started digging for the remaining bosses and killed from the bottom to the top, but he did not. But all these murders don't count because "well, his family was torn apart before his eyes, so let's turn a blind eye to all this and more", when other characters don't get that kind of indulgence. And really, instead of being an executioner and deciding who lives and who doesn't, he could have really helped Natasha, like I wrote above, and gone to survivor meetings with Steve, which would have been much more helpful for everyone. Of course one might wonder why natasha didn't track him down earlier, especially if they were best friends, but then again, tony and steve didn't connect until the end either, so there's that.

[@Jimmyelshaarawy]

Bad take on Clint having to die, many people in the mcu have killed and I’d say Clint regrets it the most out of anyone. He’s clearly trying to make up for his actions as Ronin as much as he can. We’re all big fans of Loki, Wanda, etc but no one ever said they had to die for their actions.

[@myerixon9118]

A random fact. Lauren Riddloffs (Makkari in Eternals) husband is the sign language advisor for Hawkeye.

[@CaptainPikeachu]

we talk about atonement with Clint but one has to wonder, how many of the other superheroes also have things to atone for? What about Natasha? She blew up a building with a child inside for the sake of her freedom? What about characters like Yelena who also work and do things for shady people? And what about Valkyrie? Does she need to atone for the years she spent being a slaver? Whose deaths and what kind of deaths are we saying considers something that people have to atone for? Does Tony's death atone for the years he spent building weapons? What about Sam and Rhodey who work for the military and likely has deaths on their conscience that they done for the military industrial complex?

[@gtv4005]

I think they all atoned or are atoning for it in their own ways. Maybe it's not overt or direct, but a lot of them do work for the good and well-being of people, in part to wipe all that red in their ledger. I think whether or not they make up for the harm they've done is up to the individual, but they definitely do atone and that has to count for something. I mean that's life in general, right? If you got things you're guilty about, beating yourself up about it isn't gonna do anything (even though we still do do that). The best thing to do is to move forward and do better.

[@legendswarble2845]

I mean, yeah. I've heard people make all of those arguments. The only one I'd give a pass to is Valkyrie, not because of the immorality of her actions, but because Ragnarok took nothing seriously so I'm not picky about consequences from it. Personally, I would love if all those characters paid for their crimes. I think Tony and Nat paid because they both died saving the world and that's not perfect but it's the best we're gonna get.

[@Midasty]

Dude, if every heroes had to atone for their crimes, there wouldn't be any superheroes left.

[@FullMetalB]

Even in this episode, are pretending Kate didn't kill anyone with thise explosive arrows?

[@lucas-xf7rc]

@@FullMetalB what was she going to do?? Blowkiss them away??

[@anthonydelgadillo2937]

Clint dying just takes away from Nats death. She sacrifices herself so he can be with his family. It would suck if she did that and Clint was only with his family for like a year or so

[@michaelellis1819]

Why does Clint have to atone for killing badguys but everybody loves Loki after he murdered 1,000s of people?🤷🏿‍♂️

[@PhoenixForceTravelAgency]

Exactly!!! I like Loki but dude killed 1000s of people in the NY attack alone. But Clint is getting shit for killing some criminals.

[@lyacherry1096]

BRUH remember when "those" people calling Ronin racist for murdering all bad people in tokyo 💀💀

[@FullMetalB]

@@lyacherry1096 hector is those people 🤣

[@Cream-2128]

I mean he was doing plenty of killing before becoming ronin too 😂😂😂

[@sovereignnoir9897]

I think the best way for Clint to atone is to be come a mentor to the young generation especially for kate and echo one to be a better hawkeye and the other to not lose to her anger and become another ronin

[@AngelaSealana]

I very much agree, bro.

[@hammer-0]

Clint shouldn't atone for anything he did the right thing

[@liamm8197]

The Kingpin is here.

[@rjds3204]

And it’s the one from Netflix series

[@markamanic]

Despite being a hardened criminal, Echos dad seems like such s sweetheart.

[@ryanswaynow]

Unfortunately you can’t just go out and buy a new hearing aid at Walmart or something because you accidentally stepped on yours. Those things are like dentures: they’re specifically made for you the individual and your specific hearing loss. Trust me I have one and if you damage it you have to order a new one and wait without hearing until it arrives. IF yours can’t be repaired that is.

[@thoughtfulhedonist]

The guy who played Echo's father is from one of the best episodes ever to be put on tv from Westworld Season 2, called 'Kiksuya'. Such a beautifully written episode and he is the heart of that episode.

[@ragtimeraver]

That episode was absolutely incredible.

[@FullMetalB]

Such a phenomenal episode. Absolutely love him as an actor. He was great in fargo and reservation dogs too.

[@tovolume]

He was also in Doctor Sleep

[@metallicnole4514]

This episode was a 10/10 for me. I had everything I wanted from the show

[@Noctis198]

Honestly, this episode won me on the show big time. The first two episodes were really really good but never got into the great category. With Episode 3, definitely going to be a top 3 show if it keeps going like this.

[@AngelaSealana]

Definitely

[@MsMelyjean]

You can't call for Clint's head for his sins and still cheer for Loki without being a serious hypocrite.

[@vegasviking86]

Kate's new step dad was Ronin before Clint.

[@thomasalexander9978]

I'll go out on the limb and say it... Maya's Uncle is absolutely Wilson Fisk... and it's definitely going to be Vincent D'onofrio. The black suit with black shirt and fancy cuff links was definitely part of his wardrobe in Daredevil on Netflix... he did eventually get to the comic book white suit, but not at the start.

[@ChrisLamia]

Really isn’t much of a limb lol

[@thomasalexander9978]

@@ChrisLamia LOL... I never said it was a huge limb... but there's still a small chance it isn't him...

[@ChrisLamia]

@@thomasalexander9978 I don’t think there’s any chance at all it’s not him.

[@thomasalexander9978]

@@ChrisLamia ::: shrug :::

[@thomasbaker2067]

I like that we gotten a backstory on who Echo is.

[@dragontears]

In comics Kingpin had Echo's dad killed. Could still be a frame job.

[@curlyj76]

I do find it interesting when people say Clint needs to atone for his actions as Ronin when most of the Avengers in their various superhero guises are equally as culpable for killing people, criminal and innocent, with either their direct or indirect actions. Guilt fuels a lot of people's actions in the group over the course of the movies, but I don't remember fans of the MCU saying they specifically need to atone. Maybe its because there hasn't been enough visual time on the screen, big or small, that reflects Clint's guilt for his actions? I've always felt he's lived in guilt and regrets all the time, and the only thing that gave him a chance to step away from those emotions was his family.

[@jbsgk55]

I mean, guilt isn't atonement. He has yet to answer for any of his crimes. The Sokovia Accords were *supposed* to be about the Avengers being help culpable for their actions. But Hawkeye was literally out there murdering people in the streets. That's not any form of justice. He SHOULD answer for that.

[@jonasquinn7977]

I think the major difference is that the Avengers went on world saving missions where preserving the lives of the people fighting them wasn’t the priority, they didn’t intentionally go out of their way to kill anyone but if one of their enemies died in a heated battle they weren’t going to cry over it Whereas Clint specifically went out of his way to hunt down regular criminals that could have been arrested and tried and murdered them because he’d decided they deserved it

[@hectorminator]

Yeah and it's also the fact that Clint's actions as Ronin were only seen as him killing nonwhite criminals in Mexico (unseen but described) and Japan (seen), so that's pretty terrible. They come across as being racially motivated, on top of his motivation that he wanted to kill criminals for surviving the snap. But if there's more to this story, then this show is the perfect place to explore that. And for the record, I have also seen online discourse about Tony Stark and Steve Rogers and Black Widow and other superheroes needing to face justice for murdering enemy combatants instead of capturing them or taking a different approach. It's just that Clint's is fresh and he got to go back to his family. Tony and Nat are dead. But Steve got a happy ending.

[@hectorminator]

@@qjinx1 Well, don't be dismissive and say it was a "few dozen", we don't know how many people Clint Barton killed and we don't know what they did to deserve it. I never said him being an Avenger doesn't count for anything, either. Of course it does. But that doesn't take away from how bad it looked when Clint killed a bunch of Mexicans offscreen (and pretty brutally) and a bunch of Japanese people onscreen (pretty brutally).

[@kassandraconk1763]

Guys, I think youre forgetting who he killed, all the people that we know he killed are part of organized crime/mafia. The Japanese people were from the Yakuza and the tracksuit mafia is literally a mafia, potentially run by Kingpin? They werent just random people or regular criminals

[@IceMetalPunk]

Let's never assume that the only, or best, way for someone to atone is to die.

[@ChrisLamia]

I’d go as far to say that it’s quite literally impossible to atone if you’re dead.

[@jaysax7381]

I would argue it’s one of the worst ways, especially when it would negate a different character’s sacrifice lol

[@ShamefulToaster]

i dont understand why people think Clint needs to atone for what he did as Ronin, he went after bad guys.

[@Ghost8386]

The car chase scene was badass.

[@Ringking-ws7bz]

Clints Suffered enough seeing his family turn to ash and Losing his only real friend to get them back. Reactors are too brutal these days on punishment.

[@legendswarble2845]

I mean valid, and I do empathize with Clint. He's always been my favorite Avenger, but I can't deny that he kinda went full Punisher and that's not okay. There's a reason Steve Rodgers would rather lose than work with that man. Also, he did that after losing his family and while his grief is understandable, it doesn't excuse his actions for me.

[@antuanlemon484]

@@legendswarble2845 I think that the problem is that it’s ok for others to do that type of thing. I mean not the EXACT same thing. But Iron Man went on a terrorist killing spree. Black widow has murdered countless, I think because people don’t like Clint as much as other characters so they’re less forgiving of his actions

[@mobiusbelts3607]

@@legendswarble2845 The Winter Soldier is proof Steve Rodgers is a hypocrite.

[@legendswarble2845]

@@mobiusbelts3607 The Winter Soldier wasn't in control of his actions. It's actually comic Steve's inability to accept X-23 that makes him a hypocrite.

[@legendswarble2845]

@@antuanlemon484 Perhaps, but Tony and Nat are dead and spent years saving people and trying to make up for what they did, so it does feel a little different. Clint spent five years hunting people for sport and then saved the world, but only for his family, and then retired. While I still love Clint as a character and tbh he's still one of my favorites, you gotta admit, he's a messy bitch lol.

[@pieceofgosa]

The details on this show are wild... So I thought I might have had something when I noticed that Jack was holding the sword left-handed. I went back & checked the Ronin scene from the start of the episode & sure enough, the person in the Ronin costume that kills Maya's dad was left handed... unfortunately so is Clint. Dammit.

[@ShadowHazard93]

Bruh, what a detail!

[@axlm.808]

I'm wondering. We don't if Maya was erased by the Snap or not, right? If so, the "Ronin encounter" had to be before that and it can't be Clint.

[@pieceofgosa]

​@@axlm.808 Maya is what, 6 or 7 in 2007 right ? So the snap was 2019 which would make her 18 or 19 when it happened. She looks older than that to me. If she wasn't snapped then she'd be 24ish in the current timeline & that looks about right tbh. I mean, I guess she'd be 24 regardless but I'm talking about physical age :D

[@pieceofgosa]

​@@ShadowHazard93 Been thinking on this and the best I can come up with is that they knew people would suspect Jack was Ronin so they made sure Jack was a leftie same as Clint.

[@entreehumain921]

Again I'm left wondering what the difference is between ronin and how iron man just went and murked people in the middle east with heavy artillery the moment he got his suit working? They didn't have kids? Lets talk about vigilante heroes but singling out Ronin as an outlier here is strange. The avengers both individually and as a team went on kill missions sanctioned by no one but themselves.

[@rayala21]

I heard that the actor that plays Echo used to work for Amazon… now, that’s weird… from Amazon to Echo… 🤯🤯🤯 (as in a product you can get from Amazon, an Echo)

[@rogersjgregory]

I don’t want Clint to die, but rather retire, happy that Kate Bishop can take the mantle of Hawkeye. The cast of Daredevil are the only ones worth taking into the MCU.

[@implodingnerd]

There was a clause in the contracts between Marvel and Netflix that if the shows ended, Marvel Studios couldn't use the characters for 2 years after their shows finished.

[@Arrian_YT]

This channel actually brings more value or entertainment by adding discussion. Man... a lot of reaction channels these days are straight up parasites. Them making faces and noises while watching the video they are reacting, then nothing more. No effort at all. And somehow they still garner a lot of views. Heroes Reforfed deserves their views and subscribers.

[@hectorminator]

Thanks so much, Arrian! Really appreciate the kind words. = )

[@kyloren1014]

Clint is a role model and don’t like the judgmental comment from Hector that scene made me 😭

[@axlm.808]

When Clint acknowledge Kate is one of the greatest archer in the world, is because she made perfect shots with his bow despite being right handed (Clint is left handed), on moving targets while being moving herself

[@DanielRodriguez-eh1qd]

Glad I’m not the only one that thought of the Big Bang theory when they showed the ball pit.

[@coscrupi]

They focused on his cufflings by the wrist turning over. And he loves his cufflings. Thats his laugh 100% same laugh in interviews.

[@thedarkknight2221]

Within just 5 minutes Marvel has made me fall in love with a brand new character in Maya Lopez/Echo. I was wondering what convinced Marvel to not only green light but proudly announce that Echo was getting her own series months before she was even seen on screen, now I see why. And I can’t believe this is Alaqua Cox’s FIRST acting role! Also I’m 99.99% certain that is Vincent D’Onofrio as Wilson Fisk aka Kingpin.

[@DP-nl4uq]

It’s amazing how that intro worked so well and was more effective than 2 hour films introducing characters

[@ma.2089]

I love that marvel searches for unique and unknown/lesser known ppl to take on these roles, rather than already famous people. Especially with the casting post Avengers 1. They’ve really gone for skill and who embodies the characters best rather than star power. I really like when movies do this. Pixar and Disney have done it for movies relating to specific cultures as well, which I love

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@DP-nl4uq Not really. I'm convinced that you didn't watch Iron Man or Cap America where Yensin and Erskin died. Or Raimi's Spiderman with Uncle Ben. The only reason this opening works so well because we know "Ronin" on the other end. If it's just some random unknown killer, it won't be as effective.

[@DP-nl4uq]

@@zeroskaterz92 I have multiple times and just Bc someone died doesn’t mean that’s what made it effective. Yensin and erskin are largely insignificant in their roles.

[@zeroskaterz92]

@@DP-nl4uq Largely insignificant? lmao Yeah, you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Funny, because I can say the same shit too, just because Maya's dad died doesn't mean that's what made it effective. He's largely insignificant in his role.

[@folcotook3049]

Clint Barton must die? So probably did Nat when pity stayed Clint's hand. He chose forgiveness and a chance for Nat to atone through positive actions rather than paying her life. That turned out pretty well. Many that live deserve death. And some that die deserve life. Can you give it to them? Then do not be too eager to deal out death in judgement. For even the very wise cannot see all ends. 😉

[@Jetrules231]

There is zero foreshadowing that clints dying. Also, y’all have been the only reactors to cut out where he actually won the echo fight. Interesting. Seem to want to not admit you’re wrong about Clint by cutting out the context and scenes that validate Clint

[@ChrisLamia]

If anything it seems pretty damn obvious he’s making it hime for Christmas with how much they’re playing it up

[@Awesomeness42102]

I dont think hawkeye needs to die but i would like to see him finally retire but still be that old mentor that gets called in everything once and a while to fix everything cause hes a badass

[@keplerthe3399]

This really feels like a good classic Christmas film. Like Jingle All the Way meets Die Hard!

[@jbsgk55]

"We'll talk about it when it's confirmed, Hector."

[@drewwar9344]

I don't know why you guys are so harsh on Hawkeye he honestly did nothing wrong he only killed murderers drug dealers and criminals it doesn't matter how good of a dad Maya's father was He was still an organized crime leader Honestly Hawkeye's no different than The Punisher when he was Ronin

[@TelikiMouse]

Well according to Hector in another thread. The reason he is harsh towards Clint is because in Endgame he apparently says Clints actions as Ronin had a "racial killing undertone". Even though that was not the case. So because of that questionable reasoning Clint apparently needs to die.

[@TheOnlyHawkeye666]

2:15 I had the EXACT same reaction.......I was yelling at my tv. Also lost my mind at the Pym tech arrow scene

[@TamekoPatten172]

Fun fact: the girl playing Young Maya is actually Alaqua Cox's cousin.

[@imshubhajit]

Dog's left missing eye is CGI'd. The Dog's name is Jolt. She (yup, she, it's not a he like in the comics) has an Instagram account. Check it out.

[@cristiesvega2413]

I don't know if I want to watch reactors who hate Kate or Clint for some reason. The other yt channel hates Kate and in this one we have a Clint hate. I'm not angry, just disappointed because the slander for this show just continues and it is a good lowkey show for me.

[@tovolume]

Besides Hector Navarro (who did his research, he was spot on), i suggest you watch other KZbin reactors who loved and appreciated Kate Bishop and Clint Barton, like The Reel Rejects, Holden Hardman, Tessa Smith from Mama's Geeky, Perri Nemiroff, StruggleNation, pReview'd, Blind Wave. I don't about Tyrone Magnus if he saw the series

[@alexnajar713]

This might be the best series yet. And we still have three episodes left

[@jjhoops023]

I love how in the warehouse Clint is mostly running away but the moment he picks up his bow and arrow he becomes the most powerful person in the room lol

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

1. (0:00-0:02) *Breathe, Adam!* 2. Great episode to introduce Maya Lopez aka Echo while also teasing the return of Kingpin.

[@HeroesReforged]

Never.

[@funnerz]

12:20 Hyperventilating lmao

[@thealjohnsonshow2188]

@@funnerz *LOL*

[@coldplay1789]

Been waiting for this reaction! You guys are awesome!

[@anthonydavis9081]

Same, this was a great reaction

[@kpoptimes5826]

"its a timed explosive I guarantee it" hahahah that line from Agustin was so funny to me

[@djoscartj]

That drawing by Kate Bishop totally looked like a Mega Man 1 boss lol I confess that when I heard "uncle" back when I first watched this episode last year, I thought he was going to be Jack Duquesne. Kingpin never crossed my mind.

[@papl20]

Guys Feige loves the netflix show... It wasn't too long when he said that he absolutely loved Charlie, Vincent, Krysten and Jon, so I'm pretty sure they're coming back.

[@TheMGSRaiden]

Hector and Agustin.....The Real Punks lmao.....so much hatred.....you probably adore winter soldier and loki for their actions

[@AngelaSealana]

It felt so right to begin this show with Hector getting his Eagle Powers, and then we walk away with a "Cálmate, Bro" t-shirt idea. This is why I watch Heroes Reforged.

[@pieceofgosa]

I'm like 90% sure Kate thinks Ronin was Natasha & that Clint is covering for her to protect her memory. Remember Kate still thinks her Dad was a good guy, it's a whole "hero worship" theme with her.

[@pieceofgosa]

The irony too given that Widow spent the blip trying to hold the world together while Clint went on an emo murder spree...

[@tonyrandall4364]

Echo's Uncle is Wilson Fisk so hoping that Vincent D'Onofrio shows up. Hinted at two more times. That camera work in car and stunt work was amazing. So teary when Kate is helping with phone call.

[@1993Erod]

Yeah Clint was wrong for murdering but you guys act like every other mcu hero hasn’t also killed. You’re saying Clint has to die but with that logic so does everyone else. Were you guys saying Natasha needed to die? She’s killed so many people yet you guys are always saying how she shouldn’t be dead yet she’s just as bad as ronin so has Loki etc etc. so he can definitely atone. ( not saying this in an argumentative way. Been watching you guys for years. Love you guys)

[@cristiesvega2413]

Yeah and knowing that we're now in ep 3 and they still have that energy, makes it hard to watch their reactions. Idk.

[@RoshNesbeth]

I have a feeling Clint and Jack know each other because Jack is the one who trained Clint when he was becoming Ronin during the snap. That's why in the beginning Jack was so invested in getting the sword.

[@eddiegreencheez]

Everything about or with Echo in this episode had a very Marvel/Netflix Daredevil vibe. The look and feel of it was, in my opinion, very reminiscent of DD. Also Zan McClarnon is who plays her dad. I first remembered him from Doctor Sleep, he played Crow Daddy

[@pranjoshi4323]

She could just as easily have been called "the watcher" 😂😂. Can't wait for her show.

[@kaboshireacts]

Its interesting that I'm hearing "Clints gotta die, he killed someones father", but Clint is a father of 3 too. When does the violence end you know? vengeance just leads to more violence.

[@kaanakkurt6141]

When I was watching I jumped up my seat saying; HOLY SHIT THAT’S KINGPIN. In the comics “uncle” is Kingpin. They are starting to bring them back. Fisk here and Murdock in Spider-Man.

[@ShawnGorman1]

I've been waiting for this reaction!!! Thanks boys!!

[@thesplawn]

I can't say enough how this channel deserves more than 67k subscribers!!! Always enjoy the trio of you guys!

[@peridotrockz]

Yes!! Was waiting badly for your reaction.

[@alexwarner8953]

Was searching for this as the alert popped up!!!

[@Mysterical01]

What I understand is just in the past year or so the rights to all characters that were portrayed on Netflix went back entirely to Marvel. Very excited if they finally deliver on bringing them into the extended MCU. Heard rumors of a Jessica Jones return too which if Matt Murdock and Fisk pan out, would become all the more likely! And Marvel Television as a division was dissolved into Marvel Studios for Disney+.

[@Ghost8386]

The Giant Arrow was awesome.

[@johnmishaeldooma6806]

The laugh alone will tell you it's Kingpin's voice if you guys have seen the Daredevil series.

[@AFC-ef4gs]

Maybe going a little hard on Hawkeye. Yeah he went a little nuts and straight up murdered some guys but they were all bad guys. Yeah Echo's dad seemed like he was a great dad but that doesn't mean he wasn't a bad guy. I'm not totally convinced it was Ronin that killed him yet, didn't Fisk kill Maya's dad in comic. Could it be Fisk hired someone to dress up like Ronin to take Maya's dad out.

[@JacobdeFries]

15:41 No, the real dog (jolt.of.genius on the Insta) has two eyes, so another form of CGI to make him comicbook accurate.

[@kptmaci4979]

I knew you wouldnt dissapoint with recognising the voice of the Uncle

[@michaelhardian2215]

Clint chose to use that giant arrow trick against russian mafia in a tracksuit instead of Thanos lol. Still got nipple chills tho 😅

[@hylianhaxorus9689]

To be fair, there is a high chance that he didn’t have access till after endgame. He’d only met antman even in passing once or twice till that point!

[@hectorminator]

@@hylianhaxorus9689 Right and they BARELY had enough Pym Particles to use for the Time Heist.

[@GoofyGE3K]

While I don't work there, I did research on this when Daredevil ended. If memory serves, Disney wasnt allowed to use the characters from the show until 5 years passed from it ending, and I remember that because 5 years seemed like forever to wait to see them again

[@yourweirduncle]

The chuckle “Uncle” gives in that scene sounds exactly like Vincent Dinofrio

[@alessiopasquali4239]

That was for sure Vincent D’OnOfrio’s Kingpin which is a big indicator of the return of Charlie Cox’s Matt Murdock/Daredevil in Spider-Man: No Way Home.

[@himanshkashyap9637]

The trio we are waiting for

[@charliemorris3984]

Hector honestly same I lost my shit when I heard that chuckle IT IS HIM NO ONE CAN TELL ME DIFFERENT

[@scallywagdeef]

he better not die, because then what did nat die for?

[@tomtudorweaver1078]

Of course it's Kingpin, during that moment in the opening it says in the subtitles *chuckles in D'Onofrio*. If he does appear in a Spider-Man film I'd love if they adapted the Ultimate Spider-Man comics where Spider-Man first meets Kingpin, that was a fantastic introduction to Kingpin and Spider-Man's relationship, and having one of Kingpin's henchmen be the MCU's Electro like in that story, or maybe even another major Spider-Man villain as his main henchman could be really fun. I will say Hector, the idea of an animated Kingpin showing up in the MCU Spider-Man origin series could be interesting, but I think he's too big a threat for Tom Holland's Spider-Man to have faced at that point, if Tony thought the Vulture was too much for him I think the idea of him facing Kingpin before that would make the Vulture seem like a bit of a step down in comparison, and I don't think Peter at that point would have been able to even understand exactly what the Kingpin was at that point. That's just my opinion though.

[@BlueSparkzVideos]

Can someone please confirm this?

[@maxblonde]

Black Widow killed Ronin with Hope.

[@Kelses]

Fun fact. the guy that was the "mexican russian" is played by a radio personality here in Orlando Florida; Carlos Navarro. Of Peruvian and Cuban heritage. He has been in other shows such as The walking dead, Bloodline, and The Outsider.

[@MegaloBlazemon]

My Theory: Clint will not die in this series, BUT... he will be arrested (And not make it home for Christmas), and he'll show up in the She-Hulk series and he'll be one of her Clients. Like, he is leaving so much evidence all over the place, the Pym Arrow alone is going to be a red flag that he's involved, and like, a lot of people died in this episode alone. Like, if they are doing a Legal-Show, She-Hulk is going to need some familiar clients, and perhaps she loses the case because... like... he did do a lot of illegal stuff.

[@rwicks1746]

That scene with uncle and Maya Lopez when she was young, reminded me of the mandalorian scene and Grogu calling out to a Jedi. I think the show is doing the thing. Which I'm really excited for. I also believe that is Vincent D's laughter. It's also interesting that this person only refers to them as uncle, so does all the track suit mofia. No one says his real name, similarity to the Netflix Daredevil kingpin. Great review and great reaction, love the commentary.

[@hamhockbeans]

Amazing how comicbook shows feel like a comicbook series versus a movie which is like a annual or graphic novel.

[@eyezaropin]

Also, I don't think Clint was the one being Ronin when killing Maya's dad. I have a really strong hunch that it may be the Swordsman or another unexpected person. Because we never get a real time frame of when that happened and the sword and suit was clearly not in Clint's possession for a while if it was at the auction. So it easily could have been worn by someone else who needed to take out the tracksuit group for their own benefit. And I think all that guilt he is feeling is from the other groups that he killed. Just some thoughts I had after this episode lol. But obviously the best part was that FUCKI*G GIANT ARROW!!!! 👍🏻👍🏻🔥😁😁

[@arifkarim4184]

thats quite an interesting guess, if they mentioned or show or tell us that the murder of Maya's dad was during the five yrs of the Blip, then i guess it would definitely Clint maybe but since they didnt tell us, like ur guess, maybe its the Swordsman or someone else did it between the event after the Blip and before the stuff went to the auction.. and if it is someone else than Clint, they are doing quite a good job at hiding their mess or something, cuz it would be all over the news already about Ronin being back, just like when Kate wore the suit

[@eyezaropin]

@@arifkarim4184 Well if there's one thing Marvel loves doing in these shows and movies, it's misdirecting us for a big OH SHIT moment lol. Also, I have a feeling that Maya (or maybe her cousin or someone else) will end up killing then one who killed her father. And I highly doubt Hawkeye dies by the end of this show because with everything he's lost thus far, killing him off on top of all that would be worse than cruel. At least that's how I would feel about it, having to see his wife and kids being told he died would crush me lol. The only other way this could go with Clint being the guilty one, is if Maya decides not to kill him upon learning about his family. Whattaya think??

[@xavierfigueroa7823]

Clint is a hero! He was like a spy first before a hero shooot id say he had less red on his ledger than tony postiron man. Ppl be hating so much or hawkeye

[@ValentinasWatching]

Alaqua is deaf and missing a leg in real life and she does such a fantastic job. I'm loving the show so far. I love that actors with disabilities are finally getting significant rolls in TV shows and movies.

[@ValentinasWatching]

I also hate using the word disability because I find people with special needs to be so fucking able.