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[@TheDigitalApple]

Pin to fight against the oppression of gamers.

[@Personontheinternet4598]

Gg💕

[@bulletploofgrass]

Ggs on the pin 🖤

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

GGWP

[@AdrianCruz_]

🎉

[@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff]

Yes sir!

[@Meistro001]

Bro started losing the argument and pulled the racist and homophobic card, insane world we live in.

[@NorseGraphic]

That’s the typical commie-scum go-to movement. Bio checks out it’s a bottom feeder.

[@worldslargestnerd]

It's like Schrodinger's feminism. They are both empowered and a victim until they determine which one benefits them more in the current situation.

[@Motor__]

@@worldslargestnerd LMAO

[@ChuckleStevensonTV]

​@@worldslargestnerdit's all shits and giggles in the world until the twitterian (or I guess X-ian now) demographic giggles and shits

[@revolvingworld2676]

@@worldslargestnerd Bro thats the quote from that damn turtle in every video about women

[@AndrewChumKaser]

"Fun is literally in the definition of a game" "You're a racist weeb" ... what kind of leap in logic is that?

[@ricktheweeb5382]

I can't be racist I'm part of 2 oppressed groups The Weebs and The Gamers

[@newdivide9882]

They just roll everything they don’t like into one. They hate gamers and weebs because both groups actively resist them

[@dreadcthulhu5]

The kind only a leftist can make.

[@zeal9442]

@@ricktheweeb5382 The weebs are oppressed for a good reason. (There's a pdfile problem in the anime community. I'm not talking about l0li and sh0ta, I'm talking genuine pdfilia)

[@ricktheweeb5382]

@@zeal9442 that is in every community it just they aim that hate towards the weebs for the loli and stuff that we get in animes and hentai so basically the weebs are the scape goats to hide people in other communities who are pedophiles as well so you were close but still a little bit away from why we are hated and oppressed plus we dont really fight anyone besides the people in our own community so that makes us even more of an easy target

[@xdrdm7096]

"Video games shoudnt be fun" "Fish shoudnt breathe underwater"

[@silverflight01]

There's something I learned called "The 'Stop having fun!' guy." Basically they don't like it when someone is having fun playing a game, even serious/dark games. It's annoying, it makes them look like toddlers, and I want a game to be fun so I can remember it more. Games can be serious and fun at the same time. We should all know that

[@EnvyDSin]

The kind of person to tell everyone to "grow up and become adults" (librarian/authoritarian type of adults for the most part).

[@privateuser3726]

@@EnvyDSin Ironically it's just projection on their part since they are unable to grow up themselves

[@darthgamer9861]

the quit having fun guys kinds of people unfortunately are all over the place, regardless of political affiliation. just look at Razorfist

[@anonmon96]

why else would people play games? If games were not fun at all why would anyone bother? Its like saying you are not allowed to enjoy tasty food, you must shove it into your gut and keep yourself from tasting it. ITS INSANE>

[@darkzeroprojects4245]

Because they are conditioned and politically indoctronated to be intolerant and browbeat anyone who they dont like.

[@neogexus2516]

Immediately calls people who disagree with them kids, racists, potentially nazis and discriminating against them based on gender. I can just tell this person is a joy to be around.

[@seth7726]

Yes, it is a joy to be around them. You'll always have something to laugh at whenever they decide to speak up lol

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

It's the behavior by default with these people. They resort to labeling their detractors assuming that prevents all criticism.

[@randomdeliveryguy]

If you think people need to be fun to be around you have the brain of an actual child.

[@UnhingedMind]

Honestly, feel bad for them. Probably have no friends, grew up in an abusive household, and being like that on the internet is the only validation they get.

[@angelopueyygarcia43]

It'll 41% itself soon enough, no need to bother

[@Axel-wo6qu]

She seems to have a narrow definition of 'fun' and a broad definition of 'racist'.

[@ivancar555]

"she"?

[@RaeneTheFaerie]

@@ivancar555 Yes, she is the correct pronoun. What are you confused about?

[@Access.Denied]

Brilliant take.

[@AXYER]

Well-said.

[@therealfriday13th]

​@@RaeneTheFaeriePersonally I'm of the opinion that people like this idiot who thinks games shouldn't be fun lose the privilege of having any pronoun other than "it". Don't want to treat people who disagree with you with human dignity? Well I won't treat you like a human either.

[@nobafan7515]

"Still acting like you're 11." Back when i could ignore bossy girls and NOT constantly worry about being evicted for "problematic" attitudes. After a long day of work, who wouldnt want to feel like they're still 11?

[@simonhailom2477]

Ain't that the truth. Life was simpler back then.

[@sm0k3y56]

​@@simonhailom2477Life is way too short to ignore fun in your life. Screw these loser redditors. No better way to relax after work with a icey beer and a good game to enjoy.

[@zeal9442]

@@simonhailom2477 Actually, life was just as bad as it is today. Take off the nostalgia goggles, please...

[@ronwatford7331]

​@@zeal9442not when we were kids. No one likes a nihilist.

[@zeal9442]

@@ronwatford7331 Nope. Life was just as Terrible back then as it is now, even when you were a kid.

[@fenrir607]

The problem with comparing movies that aren't fun to games that aren't fun is that a game needs gameplay to keep it engaging. A movie can be engaging with it's story alone, but with games the story is usually broken up by gameplay. And gameplay can only be engaging if its fun to play. That's why so many games have simple excuse plots. Gameplay sells games. An engaging story is a great bonus.

[@Thozmp]

A game can be happy, sad, depressing, optimistic, anything and everything. But, above all, a game needs to make you WANT TO PLAY.

[@forsociopoliticalstuff2629]

The thing about movies is that they too generally need to be fun, they just don’t have to be happy. Horror, tragedy, even some kinds of thriller and such aren’t meant to necessarily invoke happiness, but they are meant to be fun for other reasons. If they’re not fun, they don’t sell, and even the bad ones that do sell tend to be ones that become fun because they fall into the “so bad it’s good” category.

[@PhoenixRiseinFlame]

Requiem for a Dream is a great example of your point. It’s an incredible movie, but I would never say the movie is fun.

[@jackbruno4748]

Imagine losing an argument and you pull the "bet your racist" card on a topic that isn't related about it...*and then everyone clapped*.

[@richardtaveras3593]

That’s the automatic sign that you lost the argument, when they can’t think of a coherent argument to defend their (frankly stupid) opinion and immediately resort to hurling insults.

[@zeosummers3984]

Can’t blame them they live in that kind of environment and are taught that is the appropriate way to respond.

[@wumpusrat]

That's pretty much all people like that do. Make statement. People disagree. Call people who disagree . Then claim you win. That's their entire playbook.

[@SmileOlderBro_GodsBrother]

@@richardtaveras3593 Aka the abusive ad hominem.

[@rps215]

It is fun watching them try that to Eastern people however, since in Asia they will get shamed instead and their victim cards turn into evidence instead of helping them.

[@KyogresHideout_Vegito2121]

OP going all pseudo-intellectual saying fun is childish just shows how childish they are. Saying you have to abandon fun to be mature is an extremely childish take. 🤣🤣🤣

[@buragi5441]

Yup, that quote about being mature meaning losing the fear of childishness comes to mind.

[@nrais76]

Studies have shown that humans need games to keep their brains functioning properly.

[@NeoBluereaper]

This is why gatekeeping is moral and correct in ALL hobbies. The bar is ridiculously low to get in either way in being just be nice and actually be a fan of games or w/e the hobby is.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

We live in a world where people have forgotten that enjoyment should come first in a piece of media.

[@williamjenkins4913]

That is a pretty modern take though. Through most of history media's purpose was to make you a better person. Any entertainment value would be an unnecessary addition.

[@l1ghtd3m0n3]

@@williamjenkins4913 And throughout most of history we believed that being a serf for a patriarch was a good thing. (Not to mention 'making a better person' usually just entailed 'making you follow the word of God' for a good chunk of that time)

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@l1ghtd3m0n3 Did you just equate self improvement with slavery? Like way to hella make my point if you feel that strongly about not having 24/7 entertainment.

[@user-cs4su3ng9l]

How did that happen?

[@user-cs4su3ng9l]

​@@l1ghtd3m0n3not any god a moral no one would make you worship something they knew to be evil

[@ForTheOmnissiah]

"If you think food needs to taste 'good' you have the brain of an actual child." Possum Reviews did a pretty good job at showing the stupidity of the whole argument.

[@Altmer353]

Fun is enjoyable. It causes pleasure - especially in active forms, as thrill, exhilaration, challenge, elation, happiness. Being interested or being engaged appeals to curiosity - learning, it's about things we want to know, see, learn, examine. Things that draw your attention. Whatever reasons - be it for pleasure, or e.g. for professional interest or satisfying anxiety. Main thing of fun is providing a pleasure. It is fun = it is pleasurable. But being engaged doesn't equal to being pleasured. There are games that have a very heavy and depressing narrative and atmosphere. Games that are quite stressful. To the point of not being fun. But you are still engaged by the atmosphere, story and the world. Its the same with books. Some people read books for fun(lighthearted stories with happy endings), and they cant stand tragedies. Other people love to read books that are tragic and very depressing, with nothing that resembling happiness in sight. Does person who reads depressing and tragic story is having fun? Or is he engaged?

[@ForTheOmnissiah]

@@Altmer353 What people with your opinion aren't grasping is that people aren't using the word "fun" for it's by-the-book raw definition. They're literally just saying that the game is enjoyable. Whether it be enjoyable because of it's gripping yet depressing storyline, or enjoyable because of a lot of action or whatever. It's literally just people getting a dictionary out and people trying to talk like non-autistic individuals. It's fun = it's an enjoyable experience. That's it. It isn't that complicated.

[@mint437]

​@@Altmer353nier automota is a very depressing game with extremely heavy existential themes and it is still fun

[@megabuster3940]

At least food is necessary for survival Even if the food tastes bad, if you gotta eat it, you would still have to eat it Games, on the other hand are not a necessity Why would anybody want to waste their money and time on a game they won't enjoy?

[@fengroukan9148]

@@ForTheOmnissiah Oi, don't bring autism into it, this is just idiots thinking they are smarter because they grabbed a dictionary, and cant realise "Fun" works for sad games, and enjoyable experiences don't need to be sunshine rainbows and candy.

[@aeonise]

The "games don't need to be fun" thing actually makes perfect sense for people immersed in the "everything is political" mindset. For them, a miserable game is 'good' so long as it preaches the right message, because the message is the sole determiner of value.

[@DarkAdonisVyers]

It's these same assholes who probably hated the fact that you can actually leave with the gold in the Dead Money DLC of Fallout New Vegas, as doing so would "miss the point" of "letting go". As for myself, I always spit on the "moral" of whatever story I'm reading. Christmas Carol? An economist wrote a full article about how miser Scrooge at the beginning of the story was actually better for the economy than generous Scrooge at the end of the story. Pinocchio? I note that how Pinocchio's personality was at the beginning of the story (that whole deal about his father not being around to tell him what to do) is exactly how Liu Shan was at the end of Romance of the Three Kingdoms. Difference is that Liu Shan never regretted those words.

[@DragoEpyon]

@@DarkAdonisVyers What a sad, nihilistic way of looking at things. You must have loved The Last of Us2

[@MagicalSakuraArt]

When I first heard that statement I took it from an educational standpoint. Math and reading games would be great if they were fun, but engaging with their audience is more important. I remember enjoying reader rabbit, but I don't think I would call it fun as an adult. But that was clearly not the actual message of "games don't need to be fun" after seeing the rest of the video lmao.

[@worldslargestnerd]

At some point we have to collectively accept the fact that even though TLOU was a 10/10 masterpiece, Druckman decided to go off the deep end destroyed the franchise with the sequel and nothing he will ever say or do again is to be trusted

[@Archedgar]

@@DragoEpyon Found the commie. Got lost on your way to reddit , did you?

[@nolilado5452]

Wish we can use the "assumption" card like these people did before. "Did you assume that I am racist/ homophobic because I criticized a topic that's not even related to those accusations?"

[@TheLegendaryBillCipher]

If you don't make a game fun or entertainment entertaining, that is truly ultimate failure.

[@anonmon96]

because why would anyone bother if it does not give them something enjoyable? Are people meant to be depressed all the time and bored out of their minds?

[@badlatency9979]

You can have dark, nihilistic storylines about a dystopic society meant to create heavy emotions and philosophy...and it still be _fun_ . Fun to play, fun to think about, fun character interactions. A game can be _serious_ and fun. These "no fun allowed" weirdos need to touch grass.

[@brem-]

Case in point: Half-Life 2 The entire world has been taken over by an alien civilisation, they put stuff in the drinking water to make people forget, they take all your possesions when you get forcibly moved, they constantly moniter you. You get separated from your family unless you join their policeforce, at which point they give you a few cybernetics, decide to go further and become a soldier and they scramble your brains and change your anatomy, go even further and you're more machine than man. If you dare resist the aliens you get killed if you're lucky, if you get caught they lobotomise you, cut off your limbs, remove your vocal cords, remove all non-essential organs, and force you to work for them as basic drones. A town that was a base for the resistance got shelled and most of the people living there turned into zombies that are still alive and feel everything, and the ones that didn't try to hide away and survive in this now ghost town The world has been drained of almost all of it's resources, most animals are extinct except for a few bird species and maybe pets, and there is a supression field that stops the development of embryo's, making the humans that are alive the last of the species. All of that depressing shit, and it's still one of the most popular games ever made and fun to play.

[@Monkeyman_04]

Yeah, look at ff16. it's got some heavy issues that it deals with in the story, and at the same time the battle system is fun imo.

[@wiccanthropy1956]

Or space marine. An action junkie film about living in a dying empire where you do everything right only to lose anyway. It's dark, hilarious, and fun. Or mass effect, where a plant puts people in pods and mind controls them. While they fight and resist and you kill them because you are out of grenades. It's horrible and dark and makes you wish you could've been better. It's a nice dark piece. But the gameplay and story are still 'fun'

[@slimdangerous1928]

Last of us is a great example. Dark story and tones but blowing up fungus people and hitting bandits with bricks is super fun.

[@GLUFSAREN]

@@slimdangerous1928 Exactly the first game was fun, the second game wasn't. Same world..

[@SomeOrdinaryJanitor]

"We don't use the word Fun, we prefer Engaging..." has the same vibes as EA calling Lootboxes Surprise mechanics, like call it what you want, at the end of the day it's the same shit.

[@sunbeames1847]

Did they forget that engaging stories would bring amusement and pleasure... in other words fun?

[@bloodmuzzle]

So true. Just because you're engaging with something doesn't mean it's not fun. Just because something is fun doesn't mean it's not engaging. They aren't mutually exclusive.

[@Servellion]

And it requires the same amount of piss taking everyone did when EA said that stupid bit. "it's not stealing, it's a surprise discount!"

[@genericnamehere7602]

They are using Marxist tactics to tear down what we love. Marxism/Socialism is what will destroy everything you love.

[@anonmon96]

@@bloodmuzzle in this context its like saying: "that is not wet, its just not dry." WHAT DA FAQ DO YOU MEAN?!

[@johnduquette7023]

Games don't need to be "fun," they need to be engaging. The overwhelming majority of that engagement is because games are fun. Engaging "un-fun" games can exist, where the content can be emotionally harrowing, unnerving, thought provoking. But the people _demanding_ "un-fun" games are actually referring to hipster-trash that allows them to flatter themselves and their shallow aesthetic sensibilities.

[@advaitthavare]

outcast, alien isolation, they are meant to give you a horrifying experience, yet the games are fun. Lazy developers making shitty reasons for their failing games using buzzwords, that's what this is.

[@CB-fw1wp]

@@advaitthavarelike the saint row reboot game god that was bad

[@jase276]

Horror is mutually exclusive from fun? The adrenaline from horror is massive fun. That's why we loved to watch horror movies as kids @@advaitthavare

[@jase276]

Sure, games don't need to be fun. But don't expect people to buy or play them either.

[@advaitthavare]

@@jase276 I think you read my comment wrong or just missed the point. I literally said those games are fun. That was just a simple example, there are many other examples with games having overwhelming amount of negative emotion yet they are fun.

[@jamham69]

having a couple friends who are autistic, this just reads as an autistic person digging their heels in and dying on the dumbest possible hill. Had a very similar thing from a friend over a conversation we were having about psychology. She decided i was wrong about something, refused to talk about that thing, and when i didnt accept i was wrong decided i was a morally bad person. later, she calmed down and apologised. twitter isnt a good place for these people. They struggle with interpersonal skills. They struggle with argument. Turning their struggles into a highlight reel just victimizes them. Its not Hero Hei's fault or anyone elses though, its twitters.Twitter is a cancer.

[@kioskthewarlord9590]

A game can be depressing and thought-provoking while still being fun to play. NieR: Automata is a great example of this

[@randomperson-up5vt]

Most of his games are that way.

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

Me who likes Nier for YorHa 2B _artworks_ : About that..

[@CGrascal]

Code Vein is another game that could be considered fun for players of the Soulsbourne variety but has a depressing story and moments. Danganronpa is known for being over the top and wacky, but have depressing moments throughout that has a fanbase who enjoyed it and flocked to Rain Code when it was released that goes even further at times.

[@luluna5228]

i mean it wouldn't be literally fun, it would be engaging

[@CrizzyEyes]

@@CGrascal Pretty much all Soulsbourne games are depressing in story content.

[@legendarycryptid2629]

Imagine villifying people for wanting to have fun with video games.

[@ShadiC636]

“We live in a society.”

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

@@ShadiC636 " We live in an Unfunny Society " - Joker 2.0

[@hello_mr.yomi6627]

The Crash Bandicoot N sane trilogy sold over 10 million copies The Last of Us Part 2 sold over 10 million copies HD remaster of three games in a pretty obscure title that is a PlayStation exclusive sold the same amount as a sequel to one of the greatest games of all time

[@chrismason4777]

⁠​⁠@@ShadiC636we live in a society of dumbasses.

[@Archedgar]

The fefs doing this kind of thing are commies. Like hitler & stalin, I.e. the worst of the worst. This is small potatoes to their kind, which I wouldn't even consider human.

[@jaythatguyyouknow5135]

At 6:15 Hei mentions people using video games to help escape hardships and tragedies in their life. He is 100% right about that. My dad was murdered a few weeks ago and it’s been the hardest thing in my life I have ever dealt with. At the end of the day when my family is sleeping and I’m alone with my thoughts, things start to get to me. Granted, during the day life, kids, work, etc keeps me busy but that downtime when I’m alone with my thoughts I can easily get caught up with the “what if” questions. Playing games has been a great way for me to get away from those thoughts when I’m alone. If the games I play were not fun and engaging I wouldn’t have a reason to play them and get that little bit of escape I need.

[@EQ_EnchantX]

Sorry to hear that , I wish you well and hope the best for you!

[@blackmage665]

You don't need to only make games that are 'happy' all emotions are valid when making art. however, if your art is designed intentionally to be frustrating, and it doesn't sell well, that is on you. But games that are designed to make you sad or angry or even like you are a bad person, are all good and valid choices.

[@advaitthavare]

Dark souls is designed to be frustrating yet it's fun. You can literally make any game fun, as long as you rack your brains enough to find fun ways to implement it. This are just lazy politically charged developers, who make shitty excuses for their piss poor game deliveries.

[@blackmage665]

@@advaitthavare The best parts of Dark Souls have nothing to do with its gameplay and controls. those two things are literally the worst about it, and you wouldn't suffer them in most games.

[@advaitthavare]

@@blackmage665 gameplay is literally the best part of dark souls. dafuq you talking about. Fromsoft games are always focussed around gameplay.

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@advaitthavare "You can literally make any game fun" Not without compromising the other emotions you want to add. Just because you CAN doesnt mean you always should.

[@robertsuarez8000]

As soon as I heard Joel gets killed and Abby is forgiven by the end of the game with some guilt-tripping shenanigans I knew TLOU didn't have a sequel (as in, I refuse to accept it as a sequel, I refuse to aknowledge their existence, if it wasn't clear enough)

[@samsunggrand7791]

And I doubt TLOU 3 would be produced.. But you do know naughty dog be like..

[@guerreiroazul3230]

The problem isn't the fact that Joel died or that Abby gets forgiven, it's the execution, Abby doesn't regret killing Joel and it all serves to is make the whole game a pointless and taxing feast of misery, confusion and anger to anyone who isn't brain dead or a pompous fart sniffing prick.

[@ArcaellusV427]

@@guerreiroazul3230 Exactly. I get so confused whenever anyone says "YoU OnLY HaTE It BeCuz Gay oR JoEl DyInG". i know some people probably have that opinion, but a lot of people also just dont like the execution as well.

[@AlvinFlang69420]

It is essentially the plot of Infamous Second Son, but bad

[@Jack_Rakan]

@@guerreiroazul3230 I never touched the game, but I did watch some playtroughs from youtubers I like. In the first hour of the game Joel literally saves Abby's life as she's about to get mauled by the zombies after she gets pinned to the ground, after which he gives her a horseback ride to her safehouse. And then she repays that by torturing and then killing him. And then after that we're supposed to root for her like she's some great virtuous character? Of course not. If the game focused more on Abby tracking down Joel and uncovering more and more of the unsavory actions he did over the years then sure, gamers wouldn't have minded her killing him as much.

[@akeno3872]

In the first place, even if the game setting is 'tragic' and the story is 'depressing', it could still be a fun game. These people don't understand that.

[@party4lifedude]

There's no reason why the game needs to be so boring that 2 hours of gameplay feels like 15 hours.

[@emmat2276]

That's what the whole BioShock trilogy is about and look how loved it is, those games got awards but are depressing and fun . The director for Pirates of the Caribbean Curse of the Black Pearl wanted to make a BioShock movie but the budget was set too high due to rendering the ocean, the rigging is tedious and requires a lot of hours for a movie set entirely under water with complicated structures and lighting without looking cartoonish like Finding Nemo.

[@JustJacob01]

As someone who has played through Omori I can back this claim up 100%.

[@thedude6058]

example: every fallout game

[@party4lifedude]

It's amazing how no one is able to defend TLOU2 with any other tactic other than calling people who disagree with them names. Meanwhile the list of reasons not to like the game goes on for a long time, and none of them have anything to do with race.

[@attibar5548]

It almost sounds like they're mistaking "fun" for "light hearted" or "upbeat". They do realize that people get fun out of different things which is why games have so many genres like horror, adventure, mystery, and fighting right?

[@datmanydocris]

Before I got banned on Reddit, this was how every discussion I had with a woke warrior went, it's pretty much their modus operandi: 1. Make stupid take 2. People point out the flaws in your stupid take. 3. Disregard all arguments made pointing out how stupid your take is and simply call anyone criticizing you some kind if "-ist" or "-phobe", even when those criticizing you said nothing to do with those things. 4 (optional but frequent). Block anyone who criticizes you or points out that you are wrong so you can continue living in your little fantasy land echo chamber where you can act like you're right about everything.

[@FateburnXVII]

Facts 😂

[@taluca8474]

I once got banned on r/gamingcirclejerk for saying inclusion and diversity can still work as long as it doesn't feel forced, like that Velma show for example. Everyone called me a racist and bigot for saying I like it when they portray LGBTQ+ and minorities as actual normal people in media

[@lad2987]

Getting banned from reddit is a trophy

[@hydradiagonal3404]

Their mindset is just consist of thinking that they are always right because their ego is higher than the sun

[@mjanny6330]

That's not just reddit. A good chuck of the internet is like that now.

[@wrongthinker843]

How ironic when creatures who can't tolerate someone having fun without them call people "children".

[@NaisanSama]

That also means, were minors jk

[@mailmanwilly]

At some point being insecure became their entire personality.

[@bloodmuzzle]

They can call me a child all they want. Sure as hell beats being a miserable adult wasting away on Twitter preaching about how everyone should do and think the same way they do.

[@djscrawny1565]

Let's remember that when someone seems to be enjoying a very serious situation someone might ask, "Is this just a game to you?"

[@TwistedDonners]

You hit the nail on the head Hero with the fact the majority of gamers use it as a form of escapism too help deal with things in real life and it's been proven that it can help prevent people doing something stupid because of real life stresses and help improve mental health and cognitive abilities.

[@MegaManJake]

Mhm. And people wanna ruin that for us.

[@pabcu2507]

Gamers are independent! We can play whatever we want!

[@pabcu2507]

@@Hi-Im-salad what you gonna do, punch me through a screen? How scary

[@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff]

Yes!

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

@@Hi-Im-salad T-Gays mad

[@DeerOnTheRun919]

​@@pabcu2507How is this person still in the first reply is beyond me at this point.

[@saruman_iii2586]

​@@Hi-Im-saladyes we can, just try to stop us 😂😂😂

[@bloodmoonangel8925]

I've been wondering, what the hell do the "videogames shouldn't be fun" NPCs even consider fun? Taxes??

[@Chaos89P]

They just can't. They're just loathsome sacks of hatred and misery that it's just wiser to disregard everything they say, if not give them something to actually cry about or get them to isolate themselves from the rest of the cult.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

_"peaceful protests"_

[@jayhayhay5124]

"The message"

[@PuchimonExtreme]

non-solitary unproductive and unfun stuff. Literally. Seriously just look at them. Their idea of fun is things like "blocking the road under the hot sun for hours" and other varieties of boredom inducing activities that also includes *cough* "communication". You'd think they'd stick to other boring stuff like fishing but nope. Not enough human interaction in that.

[@aylovi]

​@@PuchimonExtremeEven fishing is much more fun than whatever they do.

[@Denamic]

Honestly, I kind of understand the point about 'engaging' and not necessarily being fun. Games shouldn't always be fun. Sometimes, it's meant to cause you negative emotions. Sadness, anger, disgust, fear, etc. It depends on the story being told, and not all stories are or even should be 'fun'. But twitter is full of brainrot and seething rage and can't have nuanced opinions.

[@advaitthavare]

Alien Isolation and outcast are still fun, even though they are meant to throw you down a drain. Dark souls- hope I don't have to explain beyond that. Games have to be fun. The problem is idiots can't differentiate between fun and happy. A game can be downright depressing, yet be absolute blast to play. Games always have to be fun, the responsibility of making it fun is on the hands of developers. Lazy devs make shitty reasons like this, smart developers deliver solid games.

[@therookie5714]

They just want to be special. ItS NoT fUn ItS eNgAgInG

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@therookie5714 But "engaging" and "fun" are two different words with different meanings. Is it that bad to want to speak precisely?

[@jase276]

Wtf do you mean shouldn't always be fun... What emotion you're feeling isn't indicative if you're having fun or not. People watch horror movies because they're fun but the content is a serial killer or ghost going around brutally murdering people meaning the viewier is TERRIFIED yet sitll having FUN. Like, what? Games should ALWAYS be fun. That's the point

[@williamjenkins4913]

@@jase276 Is Lolita a fun book? If you say yes I will call Chris Hansen. No but it is a world wide classic because it is engaging in it's horribleness. Games can be good but not fun.

[@OneBiasedOpinion]

Using petty insults is the first big sign that you’ve already lost the argument.

[@sniperut]

I swear, the brainrot is real. I think the OP is miserable to the point everyone else needs to be miserable as well. There's no common sense or critical thinking involved, only brash feelings. And yet, gamers are the children? 🙄

[@lmno567]

Well, misery does love company and that guy is one miserable fool.

[@PuchimonExtreme]

I think they just have bad taste and is unable to win the argument of "TLOU2 being shit." So they changed lanes and say "Unfun games are good games."

[@fxdefiancy]

Its the irony with these kinds of people. Its usually projection; They love calling other people that dont agree with them "children", yet are the ones having tantrums like a 3 year old..

[@lilharm]

never say you’re only getting backlash because of your bio 8 times out of 10, the people you talk to online do not care about you enough to check your bio

[@user-pr1dh2bw6k]

9 times out of 10, they check the bio after reading the unhinged opinion, and then everything makes sense to them.

[@revolvingworld2676]

All unhinged takes have a deluded bio but not all deluded bios have unhinged takes.

[@Greywander87]

I can get a compelling story from a book, or a cinematic masterpiece from a movie. When it comes to video games, gameplay is king. The one thing that _makes_ a video game, and, in my opinion, elevates video games as works of art above books or movies, is that they directly involve the audience as an active participant and not just a passive observer. What we mean when we say that video games should be "fun" is simply that they need to have good gameplay.

[@williamjenkins4913]

As always differing definitions is the source of the argument.

[@PandemicCat7]

DID I JUST CATCH YOU HAVING FUN 'violently beats you'

[@just_a_turtle_chad]

Gamers are truly the most oppressed minority in our society.

[@aboodyabdulqadir5487]

bro twas a joke

[@xymos7807]

The aforementioned list of groups are not oppressed. Gamers? Possibly...definitely.

[@Leathal]

@Hi-Im-salad wow gamist much

[@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff]

Yeah

[@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff]

@@Hi-Im-salad Troll

[@fatih9016]

man the word "racist" pretty much lost all meaning because of people using it every time they are proven wrong

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Always has been.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

It has no meaning ever since Trotsky got his hands on it.

[@sp4rk744]

for real

[@awesierra704]

I get where they're coming at with "games don't need to be fun" but the most recent game I can remember that was engaging without being fun was spec ops: the line and the developers for that game said they'd rather eat glass than make a sequel.

[@mattia300299]

YOOOOOOO Permaban in herohei slop? This is something I didn't expect today

[@sol-hunter2332]

If a game isn't fun, can it even be considered a game?

[@Sorain1]

Only by the most technical definition of the word.

[@lunasakara7306]

Let's ask EA. Hey EA, was Anthem fun? Oh it shut down in like a year... So I guess that's a no.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

_Brings 'Monopoly: Monopoly board game edition' to chat_

[@PuchimonExtreme]

Yes. I have to say yes. Cause if I say no, I'd have to explain the existence of shit like Farmville. I can't do that so I'm gonna say yes.

[@jackalenterprisesofohio]

@@PuchimonExtreme Cityville was a cool game

[@battlesheep2552]

I like how they try to claim they're detractors are children like mate what's so "adult" about wasting your precious time and money on playing video games you dont even enjoy? SMH.

[@ConquerKev]

'school doesn't nee to be educational to learn' 'books don't have to hook you to be read' 'winter clothing doesn't have to be warm to be winter clothing' 💀💀💀💀💀

[@GamerDan92]

Just tried looking up the weird person to see if they were still trying to argue & the account is suspended

[@bustergundo516]

If a game is not supposed to be "fun" then why make it?!

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

That's why I only play Arcade Games from time to time, they're fun in my opinion. and yes, arcades still exist in Southeast Asia

[@MK_ULTRA420]

@@Hi-Im-salad You mean to tell me that games can't be fun because some people can't read?

[@alipheesethe16th17]

@@Hi-Im-salad why bother with a story if you dont have fun🙃

[@Just_a_random_who_likes_stuff]

Heh.

[@guerreiroazul3230]

​@@Hi-Im-saladtell me a single good story who isn't fun to read? (Just so you know I'm using the definition of "fun" given by the oxford dictionary)

[@deathound]

It’s these kinds of people who go out of their way to demand representation and diversity in games and then proceed to not play any games they complained about when the changes were made. These people don’t play games. They demand others don’t play games. Yet they’ll demand game companies make changes to not hurt their feefees. Pathetic.

[@LordProteus]

These people don't actually play video games. They realize video games are here to stay, so instead they do the next best thing to getting rid of them, they try to ruin them. It's like those Feminists who don't play video games but always go on about video games needing to represent Women "their way". They are all-ready not contributing to the sales of the video games in question so there is no need to appeal to them.

[@Saint_Wolf_]

I've heard it all on this one. Games shouldn't be fun because it's like a healthy meal, like a good teaching, like a book you've got yo read for school. These people think that you should pay money, sit calmly in your bedroom or living room after a long day if not weeks at school or work and use your leisure time to hear some lecture, to read stuff that talks down to you, for your own good. Get these people out of my videogames, I hate them so much.

[@Saint_Wolf_]

@@ZeldaGuy12345 the song doesn't tell you what you should feel, they describe the sadness of something and with the help of the music you empathize. Fallout as a game is great since all sides are exaggerations but also present interesting points. These people don't want that diversity of vision and thought, all media shall be gained by their ideological sh🅰️rt

[@Sorain1]

If I wanted to pay too much for a condescending lecture, Collage classes are right fething there! Honestly, if I didn't know they were Evil, I'd think they don't know what words mean.

[@coolestonions990]

It even worst than that, their product teaching nothing useful, they want to force their agenda down your throat and brainwash people. Now i understand why some fandom gatekeeping their hobby so much (there are some toxic individual but not all), and i dont think things will get better, bc the veteran old dev who love video games mostly retired or just working for money now, what a bad era for western aaa games. Luckily, japanese still making video games.

[@robertross45]

I thought for a second that "Show less" was part of your comment. As in, show less of these people and the media they support.

[@sp4rk744]

dude, not all video games have to be fun. all i can say is, they're still passionate and still enjoyable

[@angelphoenix7784]

Ah, I love it when non gamers can tell gamers what's fun and what's not.

[@kylewoodowens4488]

Saying Video games should not be fun is the stupidest TAKE ever said. Why would people play or do something that they hate?

[@joshuajorde1896]

I can think of two examples of video games that don't need to be fun. Desert Bus, due to regularly being played and streamed for charitable causes specifically because it's unfun and people enjoy watching others have to endure it, it seems. Also, some physical activity games like the boxing one Hero mentioned. It doesn't necessarily need to be fun if the goal is promoting physical activity. Just less dull than other similar forms of physical activity without the game aspect.

[@williamjenkins4913]

Mavis Beacon was never fun but I type pretty fast now.

[@yorudan9447]

You can have a dark and engaging storyline, WHILE having satisfying and fun gameplay. They are not mutually exclusive.

[@hello_mr.yomi6627]

The Batman Arkham series is a good example of this

[@leonfire99]

And you can have a stressful and unfun game with good enough plot and story to be considered great. Pathologic is regarded that way. In fact people say the stressful and unfun gameplay adds to the story since it instils the right emotions. I would also still say don't ever discredit someone who wants all games to be fun though. Enjoy what you want.

[@miwestraveler3986]

​@@leonfire99 Counterpoint : enjoying a good story in itself is fun.

[@leonfire99]

@@miwestraveler3986 i agree in the total sum of the experience. But from the looks of things the majority of pathologic is unfun and the reward that gives a fun experience is only after the ending (or multiple endings) i'd say it's still unfun overall even if the ending and some plot was fun.

[@miwestraveler3986]

@@leonfire99 I guess people just feel like getting a rewarding (read interesting) ending that they have to work for is satisfying. It just depends on how far you're willing to go to reach that ending that makes it worth it or not. That process could also fall under the umbrella of "fun" for some people. That's my two cents anyway.

[@KeebeThePlush]

We gamers are an unstoppable unit, we live and thrive

[@1992holycrap]

That's because, unlike the wokesters, we're good at winning.

[@lmno567]

​@@1992holycrapyup, there is a skill requirement in this media that those simply can't keep up with.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

@@1992holycrap We're good at winning? How many non-woke gamers do we have in positions of government? News media? The entertainment industry? Education? Those are basically all dominated by 'wokesters' and you think we're _winning_ ? Absolutely delusional.

[@rps215]

Unlike them, we enjoy watching other people having fun and being happy.

[@sp4rk744]

@@rps215 yeah fr

[@kevin65945]

After 4 years of studying game design, 1 thing always came back: the teachers would always tell us that games need to be fun, how you get there might be different, and we always had to explain how the game was going to be fun without saying the word fun, because a game that isnt fun might just as well be burned money. And these teachers came from big companies and projects, so we knew they had to be correct.

[@lilia-ai]

why would anyone ever decide to die on this hill? LMAO

[@LuigiTheMetal64]

Video games are supposed to be fun, and nothing will change that. Languages should never be imperialized either.

[@leonfire99]

Eh pathologic definitely wasnt made to be fun but is still well regarded because the experience put players in the right emotional state for the story. I do still think it's okay to only want to play fun games though. I never played pathologic but it was a ton of fun to learn about the story from the ones who endured the game.

[@doomchromee8648]

@@ZeldaGuy12345 If something is enjoyable, then its fun, also weird seeing you hating nintendo games, Zeldaguy

[@megaman37456]

@@ZeldaGuy12345 You're conflating "Fun" with "Happy" or "Joyful" and yes video games by design are required to be fun. Ever play Halo Reach? "A game so old it was actually designed to be FUN!" The story of the game has literally EVERY main character die, including your own, it's dark, it's tragic, but it's FUN.

[@Pokeash30]

@@leonfire99 So what you saying is that pathologic games are still fun for most people to play.

[@leonfire99]

@@Pokeash30 actually i'm saying what a lot of reviews say "10/10 don't play it" just watch reviews and story summaries for the fun. But if you can get value from the story and endings to offset the rest then yeah it's fun. But not for most

[@hadalwisp3075]

They can always make a serious and depressing game story AND be fun to play, there's the diference. Just like shadow of the colossus! Man, what a masterpiece

[@doodlesyoru2108]

Or Library of Ruina. It's an RPG too, but it's turn-based.

[@leonfire99]

From reviews i've seen people say Pathologic relies on being unfun and stressful for storytelling. It gets the player in the right emotional state for decisikns and the endings. It's well loved but also recommended to just learn about the plot and not play it yourself unless you can find some form of enjoyment from unfun games. Basically games dont have to be fun but you dont have to play unfun games. Play whatever you want and let others do the same.

[@3if83kdi38]

@@leonfire99 Fun is very subjective, I love Pathologic and fear and hunger as much as I love games like RainWorld and Spiderman. Just because a game is stressful doesn't make it unfun.

[@MrIsaac-cc6om]

8:15 Games like "That Dragon, Cancer" or graphic novels like Telltale's "The Walking Dead" or something like that. Where the main point is engaging in the story and the gameplay is not fun at all. Though even those have a fun factor with the story itself.

[@MartsVODs]

Yeah that "playing game for work or money" idea is pretty stable. I've seen a good few streamers and youtubers complain about games they play but continue slogging through it. Otherwise, yeah.. why to torture yourself?

[@Kyro425]

OP: "Hurr Durrr, I made a bad take, must be my gender , you're all children!" Crowd: "We know you're wrong, keep crying." Me: "Calling out stupid shit said is what we do." Bro, even Dark Souls is fun. If you don't like it, don't play those games? There are others. The OP is hard Projecting to get attention.

[@worldslargestnerd]

Apparently that's the new thing, when you have a horrible take that most anyone would say is wrong you just call the other person a child and call it a day. It happened to me a few days ago.

[@StupidAnon-gn8ih]

@@worldslargestnerd That isn't new. That's been happening for a very long time.

[@dakota9821]

@@worldslargestnerd If all they have are personal attacks, you've already won. Just because they refuse to admit it doesn't mean it's not true; Same with the truth. Neither are dependent on belief.

[@SeanPat]

Fun doesn't mean a game has to be lighthearted and whimsical all the time. It just means the game doesn't have to be depressing for 20 hours straight. I've played games with very dark or heavy story elements, but it's offset by the fun stuff. For example, Cyberpunk 2077 has some really dark story moments, but there are times that are meant to be silly or more lighthearted in order to provide relief. I can go from discovering something extremely disturbing somewhere in the city to talking to and befriending a sentient vending machine.

[@PuchimonExtreme]

Hmm... That's deep... So... what category does Witch House fall into? It's 100% depressing. I guess dying over and over is/would be the happiest/fun thing in that game?

[@yourcomradepal978]

a good example i find is "bloodborne" tragic story...fun game

[@baltstop2702]

Yakuza main story vs side stories

[@HankMFWimbleton]

when a planet and a civilization's fate is in your hands but there are funny carrot people

[@MegaManJake]

​@@baltstop2702*100% accurate*

[@itsturniptime3699]

That one “stop having fun” meme would be very fitting for this

[@galleta5642]

Ngl if someone comes to me with that shit of games aren't supposed to be fun and called me a racist and a kid. I can always say: "If I want to be bored and be disappointed, I can look at your profile bio, not even in churches I want to sleep that much of how it bores me."

[@battlesheep2552]

A slot machine is "engaging" but not "fun". That's what they want: for us to consume product, whether or not we enjoy it is inconsequential.

[@Navitaro]

Even a slot machine can be fun, usually on the unlikely case where you win big in it.

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

That's what _they_ ( The current game makers ) want. A Slot Machine with a face of a game Most mobile games are that nowadays, urging the player to top-up and more to "enhance" the gameplay when it's not

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

@@ZeldaGuy12345 Everything to you Freaks need to be political ain't it? Proves to me and the folks here that anywhere you Freaks want to dip their hands into, must be "Westurd Standard" kind of political

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

@@ZeldaGuy12345 "Political is Enjoyable" Brainlet Mindset.

[@cobaltfog]

That's why movies that flop are the movie-goers fault, according to directors, writers, and actors. They believe they know what's best for everyone else, and entertainment isn't it.

[@AzureKyle]

Really, reminds me of the former Square Enix's CEO's New Year's message where he stated 'some play for fun, but we want to focus on play to earn' in their push for normalizing NFT's in games. The concept of treating games not as fun entertainment, but like a stock trade, a way to earn money through NFT's.

[@TheMamaluigi300]

Wow, they got axed alright?

[@shinbertron1878]

I don't know where to start on this one so many things to address like what people mean when they say fun and what people have fun doing but I have to get back to work

[@phlogistanjones2722]

I was completely in agreement with you and then I got reflective for a moment when you mentioned "Sometimes a game might not be fun for **AN INDIVIDUAL** who is playing it" (paraphrasing). That is when it hit me that I play StarCraft (Broodwar/Remastered) and StarCraft II and I tells ya bub there are a ***LOT*** of folks who beat their heads against the PvP ladder and RAGE and CRY and SWEAT and SHAKE and boy HOWDY..... :) The Chess refence is very apt. Sometimes we do things that are not "fun" per se but we still find entertaining.... or... um... we use to pass time... a hobby that is not readily described as "classically" fun?.... I guess. But yes... this is an anomaly and NOT the rule.... Of course you (or I) ***MAY*** just be an idiot child um.... aryan? um.... authoritarian racist... um... facist... etc etc etc... buzz-word-BINGO I WIN!!!! Anyhoo... THANKS for the vidja! Some Liberal-Progressive Statists surely do suck the air out of a room huh? They and god-botherers really leave me cold.

[@KuzaiRain]

"Games are not supposed to be fun" Then what the heck are they?

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Terminally online leftist weirdos think that the sole purpose of games is to push their leftist ideology. They only care about The Message. Fun gets in the way of The Message, which means fun must be removed.

[@nightmare171]

All games can not be fun BUT all game developers must aspire to make FUN games, otherwise there's no point. Even if a game is depressing, sad, you can feel various emotions and have fun through experiencing it.

[@nicholascauton9648]

Gamers are an unstoppable bunch. You take something away from us, we’re going to fight tooth and nail to get it back.

[@jzpowell2108]

I said it yesterday, when I seen someone else covering it… fun is different for everyone… some like simple Mario platforming, others like lvl 1, no hit, glitchless, speedrunning Elden Ring…fun really is up to the players

[@QTRemnant]

I think the people that believe "video games (or movies) don't need to be fun" are only looking through the lense of "everything is happy and go lucky". A game with engaging gameplay or story (even something simple like animal crossing or Minecraft) can all be fun if done well. It's also why some people continue to play games that they rage at or claim they hate.

[@forsociopoliticalstuff2629]

I call it the “I’m an artist” mentality/personality (not to be confused with actual artists, but rather a very specific and often highly annoying type of person who more often than not are actually not very good at artistry, ironically enough). Those “types” of people seem to never be happy with anything that isn’t actively deconstructed into pointless oblivion and/or beats you over the head with whatever their message is (or strangely, the polar opposite, being intentionally extremely cryptic but insisting on the deepness of what they’re making) with an very prominent “look at me, I’m an so great and special and important” way of presenting themselves that seems to pull in some people but repel the vast majority of them. I’m sorry if this was badly worded, it’s past 4:00 am and I’m suffering from day three of insomnia again, so I hope what I’m saying makes sense.

[@QTRemnant]

@@forsociopoliticalstuff2629 I agree and I understood what you were trying to say.

[@PlayerOne.StartGame]

Well, is not like TLOU2 was made to be fun, it was made to cover the progressive agenda, even for the devs it was just work, so instead of focusing on the fun they focused on being "engaging".

[@kamikaze00007]

More like focused on the depravity.

[@guerreiroazul3230]

The game doesn't even have that much woke in it, it's simply fucking boring and annoying.

[@hello_mr.yomi6627]

The Crash Bandicoot N sane trilogy sold over 10 million copies The Last of Us Part 2 sold 10 million copies HD remaster of an obscure title literally sold the same amount as the sequel to what is Apparently one of the greatest games of all time And Crash Bandicoot is a PlayStation exclusive

[@doodlesyoru2108]

​@@hello_mr.yomi6627 N Sane Trilogy is not a Playstation exclusive. I have it on my Xbox One.

[@solarnihon]

@@hello_mr.yomi6627crash bandicoot is definitely not obscure

[@spyker_aileron]

a game doesn’t need to be melting your dopamine receptors all of the time. Even when a game “isn’t fun” it’s still fun otherwise you as a human would lose interest in it after a while. That happened to me with the multiplayer from tomb raider 2013. I got really good at pwning people in it which kinda made it a little repetitive, then the wait times for matches got really long (I suspect because it was dying) and i lost interest. The amount of unfun overcame the fun.

[@mcclure3510]

When someone is a completely miserable and soulless person, they make it obvious.

[@galvanizeddreamer2051]

I used to read a great deal of dark and edgy fiction, as well as a lot of very thought-provoking fiction, sometimes both. Both of those, regardless of their themes, still have and had every capacity to be entertaining.

[@samuelsoliday4381]

Which means they are fun.

[@golvic1436]

Trying to take on a group of people trained from childhood to battle in the virtual space is a exercise in suffering. Double so when you are stupid.

[@MegaManJake]

Lol, we're Clone Troopers, just for gaming and the internet. XD

[@driddick7361]

@@MegaManJake Oh sweet that means we can actually aim when we blast stuff! Awesome!

[@oryxandcake2011]

This whole thing is just about semantics, fun/engaging isn't what's important, what's important is that the individual player enjoys the experience, if you want to be sad or happy, both are viable forms of entertainment. Tyring to tell someone else what they enjoy is futile. If you want to play a game that feels like work, then that is what you want, just because someone else doesn't want it, that doesnt make it wrong. There is no wrong or right here. Video games don't "need" to be anything in this context. As far as "fun" the literal definition of a word and it's intended meaning don't always need to be the same. While it might useful in some situations to lock down the exact meaning of a word, it's not always practical in real life situations

[@destroyer68175]

Season 1 of the return of Bleach is done, and the second season is currently rolling out. And man its fuckin great.

[@Solizeus]

Some games are for the challenge, but even the challenge is fun, people that play chess still have fun, even if it is stressful sometimes, and movies that are sad or "not fun" but carry an "enriched experience" if you think it was worth watching it then you had fun, the concept of fun is quite broad and you can have fun watching something sad or reading something that is not amusing as long as it sparks your interest then you are having fun

[@apocalypseofplush]

You can still make a piece of art fun. In fact, I think making games fun adds highly to their value! Story and gameplay should go hand in hand!

[@Seraphisms]

Honestly the fact that people like that are even a part of the gaming community makes me wish it was gatekept harder in the past. "Gaming is for everyone" is a nice idea but it panders way to much to people who only care about influencing the industry and pushing agendas regardless of how terrible it makes the games. A lot of times the people pushing for stuff like this do not even consume the products, they just want to co-opt the community. Video games that are not fun ruin future possibilites for franchises because they don't want to sink money into flops and in some cases even get the studios killed.

[@thesadclown3672]

These people decide to pick a fight with people that fight with others online in games and do it competitively. That's like a little kid going up to a master rank in street fighter and wondering why they lost

[@sjmhadsock4586]

Beta testers sounds like a horrible job

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

Except Kirito, he's a _different kind_ of beta tester

[@sjmhadsock4586]

@@Anugrah_Amriza yep

[@hello_mr.yomi6627]

@@Anugrah_Amriza he's a beater

[@electroeel148]

ALPHA BETAS however! Let's go Mr. Vanoss!

[@dunkyking6310]

That's just Early Access/preorders with extra steps

[@0PercentImagination]

Unfortunately there are plenty of game developers/publishers these days that would rather you play a live service game as if it were a job, repeating the same tasks over and over again til the end of time in the hopes of maybe getting something decent as a reward (that you usually need to pay for the chance to get aka battle passes). As long as there is engagement they don't care about fun at all.

[@ThatRandomDude204]

It's like playing LISA the game is a dystopian nightmare where you are against the world to save the only female left your very young daughter but it can still be fun for the simple fact that the combat was engaging and many of the characters were hilarious to interact with it was 'fun' but very much depressing at the same time

[@yphoenix5957]

4:42 this person is based and goated holy! At that point there's redeeming you if you get hit with this, its better to disappear with your dignity shattered, but intact. Instead our puzzling specimen starts calling people names like a child, but to no avail.

[@Anugrah_Amriza]

as usual, Filthy Tourists that uses anime profile pictures are getting the Real Otakus bad rep. But hey, at least we know now that Tourists does _not_ know the meaning of fun

[@CrizzyEyes]

Fun is racist now. Who knew? Time to cut some eye-holes in my white bedsheets.

[@paulmann8570]

"We say 'engaging'" Odd way to admit being angry at a game counts as being engaged. I guess I was super engaged in Other M before I set the disc on fire.

[@MegaManJake]

Man. The game play was kinda neat, but literally everything else about it was burning trash, and that's me being NICE.

[@newdivide9882]

It is some good insight into modern western AAA game devs and how they think though. Past year one of Destiny 1, I was mad at how awful the game was 90% of the time… but I still played it. And I’m not the only one. I’ve seen plenty of memes about nobody hating Destiny more than Destiny players. My favorite has to be this video where a guy is like, “bro, I hate this game so much” until he puts on the headset. Then he’s like, “ALRIGHT, WHO’S READY TO RAID?” These devs found out that, much like news sites have been doing for a decade now, they can profit off rage. I genuinely thank God for pulling me out of Destiny before 2 even came out. I actually enjoy gaming again because offline games are fun. And hey, when my internet does act up, I don’t even notice because nothing happens

[@ThistlesGarden]

There's an old youtube video 'Fun is not enough' that was a good watch.

[@Merigold83]

WHO demands, that MY kind of fun has to be identical with YOUR kind of fun?!

[@Arexion5293]

Engaging with a depressing, grueling game can be fun for people who enjoy that sort of thing. The whole idea of fun is very flexible.

[@thorveim1174]

I mean... Dark souls is a prime exemple of that. Dark, bleak setting with little on the way of hope and that reflects in the gameplay that is out to kick your ass. But letting you fight against the odds and eventually overcome them is fun

[@NameIsDoc]

@@thorveim1174 dark souls, neir, disco Elysium, heck even breath of the wild had some depressing moments but the moments actually meant something were given proper weight and effort and created fun.

[@Arexion5293]

@@thorveim1174 I find the gameplay, the world, the themes and the atmosphere fun in those games. Gameplay especially.

[@Majster-Gaming]

It's almost like they actually want pushback so that they can be a martyr.

[@edgarrdz8518]

i think the word to describe the example of horror games and such is "engaging" ironically enough and by extension the reasoning behind the devs saying "we dont use the word fun" i guess it needed context or not to be so tsun tsun against the word "fun"

[@catbatrat1760]

5:01 What even IS this combination of words that that dude has just uttered?! XD