Hesston 4910 Failure

[@digitalshackonthelane]

i am really happy to see all of your successful mods! Blower, plastic, and now these "ramps".. Failure is only in the eye of the beholder, certainly you have learned how to make it right. Good Job man! .. Love the videos Wes.....

[@eddeetz493]

Showing the failures and corrections is invaluable to owners that will save time, follow the change and repair it right the first time. Many farmers are very thankful for your willingness to try, fail and succeed. Keep up the great uploads and good luck with the weather.

[@martinmills8458]

Looks like your manifold is keeping the top of the plunger clean 👍

[@717Lucero]

Wes your the man never give up. Things don’t work to your standards how they should you try new ways to make it work how it should or better. You are a real farmer I like that you also teach your family the correct ways this is why I really enjoy watching your channel. There should be more people like you wrenching on there equipment & making a difference in the farming industry.

[@kjhusson]

I would never call this a failure, you continued effort to find a solution to the issues your having is awesome, try something learn from it, if it works great if not the knowledge gained to try something new and make it better love the videos Wes keep up the great work =)))

[@boogieman3165]

I agree with other posters here that say this is not failure, it's just a learning process. You have to try different things to find out what works and what doesn't. The original idea is correct, you just had to fine tune it. Good job, looks like this latest adjustment is going to work.

[@machintelligence]

Try, fail. Try again , fail better. Repeat until success.

[@jankotze1959]

This was an extraordinary video, great shots of the mechanics and glad it works, thumbs up

[@switzerblitzer2701]

onelonelyfarmer...you have the makings of a Agricultural Mechanical Engineer. But then a true farmer is all that and more!! Great job on improving the performance of the Hesston 4910.

[@stubarry3206]

Hi Wes , just a observation mate, from what I remember when I used Hesston baler back in th3 early 90s, stroke rate was 54 strokes per minute, Tim sounds like he’s under running it a bit , Also I think Tim needs to go a little faster on forward speed, just one more point , I deffo remember I had to move from one side of row to other a few times while I was making the bale or out came a banana bale, hope this is helpful, deffo not trying to tell you how to do stuff as your more than experienced and capable, keep going mate 👍👍👍👍

[@stubarry3206]

Thanks Grass Farmer 👍👍👍

[@Budd56]

@The Grass Farmer lmao 😂 😂

[@davidrowley8251]

The plungerhead stroke is 25 per minute at 1000 pto RPM. Others specs are available if you google: 4910 baler ritchiespecs With a wide bale chamber, like all 4x4 foot balers, when you are on a sidehill it can be especially tricky to make an even bale left to right. The pickup delivery to the pre-chamber (Wes is working on pre-chamber holdback function here) wants to fill more to the downhill side. This will cause a banana bale with both ends curled towards uphill. Also, if the pre-chamber is not pretty full when the huge stuffer rake is activated to push hay up into the bale chamber, so the plungerhead can compress it into the bale, you get flakes that have less material on the top, and these become banana bales with both ends turned upwards.

[@stubarry3206]

I’m no armchair expert , I already said and stated that Wes is more than capable and experienced to sort the baler out, I was just giving some input of what used to work for us and our Hesston baler back in the 90s, wish I hadn’t bothered now that I’m being called a armchair expert,😡😡😡

[@super6954]

Stu Barry don't worry about it, I'm not saying it's Wes either there are a lot of guys out there film their lives with machines and stuff, call anybody that has practical experience "armchair" experts anybody that comments is told they know nothing, and some disable / block comments. The truth is anybody watching that knows what they are doing can see the problems with these guys. They don't have a bloody clue, and can't take constructive criticism from somebody that watches their channel and don't post there whole life to social media. You can get a pretty good idea from reading and paying attention to watchers comments to, who has the experience and who is also whats called a "sim warrior" or just trolls in comment sections . I used to do a ton of online forum help with guys, I don't anymore as I'd tell them an exact cause or fix for the machine from my experience, and get told I didn't know anything, from a guy who clearly shouldn't own wrenches from his comments/video. Then a month later they'd still be messing with it because they "knew" it all. one guy built a pull tractor several of us told him his frame was weak and what needed doing from experience, who did he listen to a bloody structural engineer with a degree who called him. He made a big speech thanking him for his time on a video , for something he was told about a long time before from all the "armchair " experts. L.O.L. I just laugh and sit here watching or read about them struggling now when they have free access to a huge lot of real knowledge guys pay dealer mechanics or machine shops a lot of money for.

[@WilliamTMusil]

Nice. Iterative failure is the best of engineering. Chip away, chip away, and a solution will reveal itself. Looks like that top blower modification is working awesome

[@wildcoyote34]

damn fine work Wes ,, this was a great video , i love seeing the various points of view showed as the baler is actually in the field and working ,showing the different components as they work and explaining what they do thanks and please keep up the great work cause i love seeing what you do and learning from it too

[@ericluitjens4256]

On my 3x3 the adjustment on the stuffer trip spring makes all the difference on bale density. Has to trip at right time so flake is full, but not too full. Also windrow size and ground speed make a difference. A 4x4 is alot different, because that is a huge flake to fill, but I've found it works the best if I can travel at a speed where the stuffer runs every plunger stroke, or every other in light hay.

[@kevinshaiebly2664]

I'd agree. I put over 35,000 bales on a hesston 4x4. Run her hard and flake every bale. I know tough hay is the hardest thing to bale. We baled alotof straw at 35% or higher. (For mushroom straw). Need to keep her full. Tighter stuffer door help s

[@davidrowley8251]

Couldn't agree more. We run a Krone BP890 (3x3 square baler). This Hesston makes a plungerhead stroke 25 times a minute. 60/25 equals 1 stroke every 2.4 seconds. For maximum thruput, and to be kindest to the plungerhead drive system, you would try for a flake of hay every 2.4 seconds. That means you have to have gathered up enough hay and got it in the prechamber, so that paddle on the bottom will be pushed down to trigger a stuffer action. Let's say the stuffer paddle trigger spring is set to trigger when enough hay is present to make a 2 inch thick flake, that is your goal. BUT, if on the first plungerhead stroke after making a flake, there is not enough hay to trigger the stuffer, the stuffer will wait for the next stroke. On that second plungerhead stroke, there will NOW be enough hay to make a 3 inch flake, a BIG load on the plungerhead and not what is desired. Someone looking at the flakes might say, "Your flakes are too thick, you need to slow down the tractor field speed." The flakes would maybe thin down to 2 1/2 inch. I would say "You are making thick flakes every other stroke, try increasing the field speed, if the field is not too rough and you have enough horsepower." In fact he is gathering enough hay for 1 1/2 inch flakes every stroke, which is not enough to trigger the stuffer. If field speed was increased by 1/3 or more, there will be hay in the prechamber to make a 2 inch flake, and the stuffer will be triggered, for EVERY plungerhead stroke, and the flake thickness will go from 3 inch flakes to 2 inch flakes, while production/tonnage per hour goes up by 1/3. Also, at that point, the holdback fingers are less important, because they don't have to holdback as much hay in the prechamber, because the prechamber gets stuffed into the bale chamber EVERY plungerhead stroke. I like to set the stuffer trigger for a little bit less than my average flake thickness GOAL, so if there is a slightly thinner windrow area, or after running out of a windrow at the start of a headland, I am less likely to produce an almost double thickness flake.

[@Ham68229]

Not a failure Wes, just one way of "how to not to do it". Tim could go a bit faster, the question is, can the 4960 handle going faster. Last thing you want to do is "labor" an engine all day long. That would be the next concern I'd think. I still say you might want to seriously consider looking into possibly extending those fingers somewhat, only need maybe 2-3 inches. "IF" this becomes another method of how not to do it. LOL Great video, nice to finally see the knotters in action. That blower is working like it's supposed to, plunger clean, knotters clean. Cheers :)

[@richardpearce1065]

Hey Wes man you keep at it its men like you who persaveered that great inventions where born.

[@ihus9950]

Well Wes, it didn't work the first time around, I admire you for showing us! If first you dont succeed try again, hope you got it figured out now!👍

[@1996turbocamaro]

Glad to see that it is working as you expected it too. Sometimes you just have figure out what doesn't work in order to figure out what does work. great video as always Wes

[@1HoosierFarmer]

Another great fix and improvement by OLF.

[@onlygazza]

Great baler for Tim to learn on, just needs to go faster to fill the chamber quicker, great project 👍

[@davedunn2124]

Wes, is it possible that the plunger extensions are shoving the hay back before it has time to get the hay to the top of the bale? It seems by adding the extensions it could change the amount of time it takes to shove the hay to the top of bale before plunger shoves it back. Just asking??? Thanks for sharing

[@onelonleyfarmer]

Dave Dunn m

[@davedunn2124]

onelonleyfarmer ? Not sure what that means but I know you’ll figure it out👍

[@davidrowley8251]

These holdback ramps will somewhat point the precharge flow back towards the bale and away from the plungerhead face. Good point about the timing of the stuffer flow versus the plungerhead extended face position. P.S. my great grandmother was a Dunn, she was Illinois USA born.

[@4gauge10]

Yeah,it looks like Tims running the baler a bit on the slow side Wes,but that's understandable because you were climbing up on it and as we all know...SAFETY FIRST. It looks good and its running the way its suppose to.

[@ericallen4118]

Can you add to the hold back fingers and make them longer?

[@clearingbaffles]

At 4:49ish you know just because those tires are touching the ground doesn’t make it a good ground for welding Wes ¿if the air compressor on the Krone helps so much around the knotters could you (k)not add something similar to the Heston?

[@rontucker1086]

I never realized that those balers were so complex. I can't imagine the maintenance these machines require.

[@clearingbaffles]

Ron Tucker I know knots but I need to watch a knotter in action to understand how they knot them together All that said and the knots I know I use 3 (or 5) - 1:tying my shoes 2:square knot 3:bowline 4:flying bowline 5:dragon bowline

[@JACKATTACKED]

Blowers blowing, balers bailing, Wes's working

[@floydfarms1578]

Hope it works this time around, got 10 days of rain called for down here in east Texas so maybe I'll get enough growth before frost to make another cutting. Gonna be close though.

[@KPearce57]

Here in Central Tx. the rain has made the hay jump, now a few days of sun, she'll be ready.

[@alanb9337]

Is there a wifi camera to the a cab screen to see the bales/ knots as they come out of the baler? When OLF gets the mushroom compost , does the US mushroom compost have the hydrogen sulphide that other places have? www.hsa.ie/eng/Your_Industry/Agriculture_Forestry/Research/Hydrogen_Sulphide_gas.pdf

[@jackwillie2729]

your a lot like my dad he was always re inventing the wheel (so to say)…just a little here and thier …was always impressed with is innovations….it keeps farm life interesting…I think you got the (upgrade of the month award)...

[@lukestrawwalker]

"Shark fins"... that's what I thought you had planned to begin with, til you made the full width ones. If it were me, I'd weld two of them in, one on either side of the holdback forks, a couple inches on either side of the fork tine. That way as the hay is forced upwards by the stuffer, hay will slide up the shark fins and bridge between them and be forced up into the holdback fork tine which will then hold it back. So the shorter fork (since it doesn't completely cross the pre-charge chamber to the curved hold-downs that you're welding the shark fins to, the shark fins will push the hay over away from the hold-down bands and "bridge the gap" between the end of the holdback fork tines and the bands themselves, creating at "interlocking" effect when the holdback fork tines are in, and then providing a ramp for the charge fork to push the hay past as it loads the flake into the chamber, once the holdback tines have retracted... Hope that makes sense. Later! OL J R :)

[@gregbird6615]

Your blower mod seems to be working really well

[@tribal165]

Hi Wes, just out of interest, why did you do a solid ramp half way up and a thin ramp at the top?....When I watched you put the half way up ramp on I thought it was a good idea but needed to be higher, ie; where you have put the new pieces, great video as allways though..

[@kevinwillis9126]

I think you might have cracked it there Wes... Thanks for sharing..

[@orbits2]

How,s that little brown thing you dropped doing ?

[@kvandyke252]

Glad to see it in the feild and working !

[@cuznjo1]

Wes, dumb question. have you looked at a new hesston to see what improvements they have made if any

[@Blasterxp]

Smart, they should be much further!

[@walkerv8530]

Looks like you are getting that low speed bailer turned into an awesome moderate speed bailer , hope those mods keep working out and you can get your crop taken care of like you need to . Nothing like working man mods to make a good thing even better

[@colmone5592]

Get Rachel Gingell to fix it.

[@silent1967]

Hang in there Wes, you will get it all worked out. I would bet money on it.

[@gerryvanwoerkom7241]

try ,, try ,, and try again .. its getting better ... good on you Wes

[@yogibear6271]

nice R&D there. keep an eye on the hydraulic oil in the tractor.

[@kejay74]

Here is one for the trolls... What did Edison say about the many times his attempts at making the incandescent light bulb filament did not work? However many times it was...Mr. Edison claimed he "learned" that many ways how NOT to make a light bulb! Wes, keep up the good work. Looks as you may have 'found' your light bulb! Ken

[@atomicwedgie8176]

And then he screwed over the REAL genius, Tesla.

[@atomicwedgie8176]

Well, Edison and Westinghouse...too be honest. Almost forgot, JP Morgan!

[@atomicwedgie8176]

Tesla>Einstein

[@swampratt36]

@@atomicwedgie8176 i see whucha did there heehee ;-)

[@atomicwedgie8176]

I see that someone knows who the real genius was in America. Einstein was smart, but a puppet. Tesla even poked fun at him on one subject, that I won't get into.

[@brianwalter1689]

Great job wess I noticed that the blower baffles are doing there job.😙.

[@stanleyjones4180]

great fix wes thanks for the video

[@joelwindsor525]

It's not a failure it's a learning curve

[@angus4202]

Have you ever planted Sudan gras

[@stubarry3206]

Keep going Wes, you’ll get it right mate, I’m sure of it .👍👍👍

[@hoodwinkedbyanangelmichaelfazi]

ANOTHER GREAT PROMIL COMMERCIAL AT THE BEGINNING OF THE VIDEO AND THUMBS UP AS ALWAYS

[@farmercraig567]

If it doesn't work it is not a mistake it's another way of how not to do it.

[@lsellclumanetsolarenergyll5071]

Hello Wesley, I do have a bit of a crazy idea on your Heston issue. Why don't you talk to Lense alias Chucke2009 to put you a few 1/4" steel round steel spikes out which are formed like a spike star with a Bering in the center which you can add into the plunger with a gear uni direction click mechanism on a 3/4" rod so when the hay get's pushed into the chamber the wheel rolls but because of the click mechanism it won't let it get back out so your precharge get's loaded even more. Just an idea looking at your bailer how it stuffs to quickly the hay up into the chamber

[@paulcopeland9035]

"Lense"?

[@GerraldFarms]

Looks good. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻

[@markarmitage7411]

Ya get tim to go faster so hes putting in a flake per stroke. Maybe he was taking it easy because you were ontop......

[@dewainwoodard4840]

Great video Wes thanks for sharing have a great day

[@farmworkMi]

Great video I got a strip my baler and redo it hopefully I can and also get lots of footage of me rebuilding it but I've learned a lot from you

[@philipwick5406]

Hope it works for you this time.

[@old650gli]

could you go look at a new hesston bailer to see what the new ones are doing now.

[@ginggur17]

Still those knotters working mesmerise me.

[@BobPegram]

Trying to turn a Hesston Bailer into a Krone Bailer. Is the Wes Pandy version of trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear. Don't get me wrong, I like this exploration of bailer design!

[@tylerh9956]

Enjoy the videos you pay and that you don't sugar coat anything you say it as it is also have you ever looked into going back to red tractors cause thought you said you guys use to run them?

[@chrismorris308]

Great footage of the bailer running Wes REAL COOL!!!👍👍👍

[@billbord3205]

Good job! Nice vid

[@richardl7759]

Can't you just lengthen the stuffer hold back fingers?

[@williamriley2528]

Mmmm... Cool... Bales with 6" steel triangles in them....

[@throttlebottle5906]

:))))

[@garysavage5675]

Do some bale surfing when it’s coming out

[@Tigersfan829]

From the title I thought it blew up!

[@themajority5716]

Wes, you are just such a badass!! I mean come on guys...just look at him!!!

[@sjaakvanengelen4072]

oi i think you have to put cutters in it and more rpm the cutters cut and hold the hay for falling

[@jedadruled984]

Not that thin piece. Just weld the piece you took of higher back on.

[@rokadamlje5365]

"Onelonely baler" You are basically engineering your own

[@wanderingman8921]

That was some cool footage...

[@davesmith2733]

It's better to try and lose than never try at all .we all learn from our mistakes.its ljfe

[@larrydean9331]

YOU WILL DEFINITELY FIGURE IT OUT🙂

[@332jatc]

Why did you say you're gonna give it a shark fin lol

[@calvincameron18]

Looks like nice tight bales now

[@peteraernouts5741]

after all the hesston video's I finaly understand what you where trying to do here the hay went to far up in plunger making uneven bails whit more material blow then up.

[@jamesdunbarfarming2200]

What do u mean a failure did the bailer break

[@andrewgoggins1292]

Funny everyone is getting equipment to use except Wes your to honest lol

[@andrewkiwi1]

Hesston will be sending you a check soon for research and development. LOL They are probably sitting back with a beer watching your videos say "Why didn't we think of that".

[@332jatc]

Release you tried something in a did work so is the reason why it's difficult to fixes things people You can improve some things that you can always improve everything that she start over

[@onceuponatime9314]

heston pay cheque in the post lol well done wes good on ya

[@steamgas100]

boy wess I like this r&d stuff

[@ElderlyIron]

But wait! Do YOU have an engineering degree???

[@PaG1989]

I have an engineering degree, and I can tell you from experience, in Ireland all the best ideas and fixes come from the farmer's

[@felipefelipe4842]

Funny Hesston is not looking at your idea to improve their machines. Maybe get it working then sell the idea to them.

[@advandervelden1588]

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[@332jatc]

You're dealing with forces in that hay bale that you're basically changing and altering now hopefully I will get hurt but I do like the the trial-and-error stuff because so that sell you that's all you did she would you try to get too overly of win and sometimes you lose does it's impossible to fix certain problems that redesigning the whole thing

[@autocat9371]

Enjoyed this video.

[@northstar2007]

those catch teeth... can they be made longer without interference with anything else? sorry... I wish I knew more about baler technology

[@davidsean1762]

Love you

[@jbmbanter]

Don't you need to teach the boys to weld? I don't know which one would be the best candidate and maybe all of them could learn it. Can someone tell me what those 'lollipop' looking things are for? I suspect it has to do with a knotter failure.

[@davidrowley8251]

With most big square balers, the "lollipops" indicate top/upper twine tension at each knotter. They go up and down quickly when a knot is tied. When they are not at roughly the same height they indicate a twine that has more or less tension than the others. On the Krone square balers, the bottom/lower twine has a spring tensioner, that will touch a bar if there is too much slack or it has broken, and that will be indicated electronically on the control terminal.

[@jbmbanter]

Thanks David, I will be watching for that action.

[@timothymiller255]

Trial and error

[@69Phuket]

Your problem is my solution..Our rabbit would make that disappear! ;) Talking Hay not steel! Make Hay Not War!

[@waults]

So the problem is the hay slides up too easily and the plunger is grabbing some of it.... you added poly to make the hay slide up more easily..... Just try running without the poly? My best guess is you will end up modifying the teeth that are supposed to hold the hay down. Not just lengthening the existing teeth, but adding more of them and modifying the actuation to allow the use of longer teeth. You talked of needing a 2nd baler next yr. With the rain situation this yr, could Messick's hook you up with another Krone to save the season?

[@Ham68229]

It was already packing hay in prior to the addition of the poly, go back to the beginning videos on the Hesston, you'll see.

[@dillionvardeman9844]

I think hesston should pay u to design there balers

[@waynew519]

👍👍

[@CALOCALKY]

Old fashioned r and d ie keep getting it rong tull u get it right

[@pdruff]

Have Chuckie2009 fix it...

[@canvids1]

hahahaha paul best I have heard all day good one for sure.

[@joelmollenkopf3767]

To new he likes old junk!

[@daleolson3506]

He can't fix a sandwich

[@Ham68229]

Dale olson understatement, used to watch his channel long time ago... didn't take long to discover, can't fix anything proper.

[@802louis]

One job done 99 more to go lol 😂

[@AdamGruszon]

You buy wrong baler, and whatever u do now it not gonna fix this baler. Sell it and stop wasting time and cash on that machine. Not worth it

[@HNCahoon]

Adam Gruszon ... I was thinking Wes should buy three more. Two to remodel, and the other for spare parts.

[@jasonpatton548]

stoney ridge told me to sub or thay will kill me

[@rkwill100]

You might want to pass all these mods along to the Hesston company, along with the excellent results so they might be willing to improve their products

[@RJ1999x]

Been there, done that, they wouldn't listen to a thing you tell them. However don't be surprised about 2 years later you see your improvement on their machines