Hetch Hetchy Regional Water System | Science In The City | Exploratorium

[@halstaples2469]

What a great educational program!!!

[@pjf03131979]

I was 9 years old and camping with family over summer vacation at Yosemite when a visit to cherry lake yielded a interesting discovery. Upon my first cast into the lake with power bait wadded onto a hook, it took but 2 seconds to hook a rainbow trout! Literally as soon as that sparkling ball of fishy smelling goo hit the water I was reeling in that fish which I quickly handed off to my Dad to remove from the hook and toss back. My siblings were but jealous of my accomplishment as they tried in vain to do as I did to no avail. It wasnt to be that day as I stood back and lent my assistance to their remedial skills as wannabe anglers to my now professional expertise as a seasoned pro who had landed the stocked whopper. I sat back and imagined myself a man smoking a cigar looking at nudie magazines, swearing and using the "F" word every other one swigging my beer and telling stories of the many women I'd had that week and the many more awaiting my return from this vacation. It was a grand day as I sat there imagining how I was a man. Once school was back on in late August I told of my tale and probably swore I was having women and smoking cigars drinking beer and I absolutely did use the "F" word because I had been already since preschool thanks to young guns and robocop. But my first real fish that wasnt a bluegill or crappie that made me a man and a horrible liar was there at cherry lake. Those women though boy, they sure got it good from that kid in my kind. Real hard and good from a young Johnny Holmes. Robust and stiff was I because I caught myself a fish. Oh yes, a fish. Thank you cherry lake for my cherry was surely popped upon those rocky shores that summer in 89

[@johnlucier5654]

whats your point.

[@restorehetchhetchy3002]

It is good for people to learn about their water systems - and both the SFPUC and the Exploratorium should be commended for helping to make this education available. But people should understand that a spectacular glacier carved valley, famously compared to Yosemite Valley, was destroyed to make Hetch Hetchy Reservoir possible. San Francisco is the only city ever allowed to destroy a significant part of a national park. Restoration of Hetch Hetchy can be achieved with relatively modest system improvements - far less than what other California water agencies have done to lessen their impact on the environment. See www.hetchhetchy.org for more info.

[@jgknearlax4926]

...great video - I'm sitting here in LA and I got curious about how San Francisco gets its water and this video informs and educates you in s snap...now I'm an expert on San Francisco water... : )

[@adolfosantana8038]

Basically, it's some of the same water, via Tuolumne River▶️San Joaquin River▶️San Joaquin Delta-Mendota aquaduct▶️south along the larger more Western of the two aquaducts/canals that run along the I-5 to Grapevine, etc etc. SF's route is much simpler and is very near the source of the Tuolumne River within Yosemite National Park. They've taken their large share way and the rest has to be fought over by salmon, municipalities, almond farmers...oops agricultural farmers. We need nuclear powered desalination plants! It's much safer now with lessons learned and they can bury it my backyard, IDC! The rivers should run free

[@jgknearlax4926]

@@adolfosantana8038 ...Thanks for reply to my comment - I had completely forgotten about this, so...you made me watch video again...! - ...I would agree with you about desalination, nuclear or otherwise, but in addition...less people would be better for everything...but a lot of people don't think so...

[@dogguy8603]

Well LA stole their water from the Owen's Valley

[@jgknearlax4926]

@@dogguy8603 ...yes, they did...and that's what piqued my curiosity about how San Fran dealt with its water needs....now I'm getting a little curious about how San Diego gets water...

[@DavidVitrano]

My best idea is to build and install Desalination Plants, along the States Coastline and Sacramento River. So this place can come back, for all of us to enjoy

[@solafide9903]

Sad that they did that. They didn't have too.

[@DavidVitrano]

Just use Cherry Lake and Lake Elsinore as San Francisco County's source of water and bring Hetch Hetchy back to life.

[@TheFarmanimalfriend]

The level of arrogance to dam Hetch Hetchy can not be matched. 😪😢☹

[@johnlucier5654]

Why do you care?

[@TheFarmanimalfriend]

@@johnlucier5654 are you retarded?

[@andrewgibson7610]

It's quite an impressive piece of engineering and a beautiful dam

[@DavidVitrano]

My best idea is to build and install Desalination Plants, along the States Coastline and Sacramento River. So this place can come back, for all of us to enjoy

[@anonymousmc7727]

break that dam dam......damit

[@dogguy8603]

Drain Hetch Hetchy

[@drmodestoesq]

It is drained...into the showers and dishwasher and toilets of the citizens of San Francisco.

[@DavidElzeitsinfill]

Understanding the problem so we can understand the solution. Regional mega drought in the southwest, caused by a lot of things but essentially more water is being used and is in one way or another moved out of the region then the amount of water that is re-entered into the region. Conservation has its place but it is not a solution to this problem. The demands on water will not abate without causing complete collapse so the only alternative is to introduce a new source of water. Drawing water from other regional rivers like the Columbia or the Mississippi or Missouri would only move the problem around, draining other regions. The only essentially inexhaustible source of water is the ocean. One thing we need to do is move water from the ocean back inland to places we need it and if we can do that while generating clean energy we have a chance to mitigate climate change and still have a prosperous future. It is really, really hard but it is not impossible. If I could explain my idea in an equation it would go something like. (seawater from the west coast moved inland + converted by combination geothermal/desalination projects = clean water and clean energy.) The biggest idea I am trying to express is tunneling aqueducts from the coast, in this case the west coast of the USA inland to feed combination geothermal power and sea water desalination plants. The idea seems to be so big that no one has considered it possible but I believe it is not only possible but it is necessary. For over a century the fossil water contained in aquifers has been pumped out to feed agriculture, industry and municipal water needs. The natural water cycle cant refill fossil water deposits that were filled 10,000 years ago when the glaciers melted after the last ice age. Without refilling these aquifers there is not much of a future for the region of the United states. As a result ground levels in some areas of the San Joaquin Valley have subsided by more than 30 feet. Similar fossil water depletion is happening in other regions all around the world. TBM and tunneling technology has matured and further developments in the industry are poised to speed up the tunneling process and it's these tunnels that are the only way to move large volumes of water from the ocean inland. The water is moved inland to areas where it can be desalinated in geothermal plants producing clean water and power. In many cases the water will recharge surface reservoirs where it will be used first to make more hydro power before being released into rivers and canal systems. It's very important however to not stop tunneling at these first stops but to continue several legs until the water has traveled from the ocean under mountain ranges to interior states. Along the way water will flow down grade through tunnels and rise in geothermal loops to fill mountain top pumped hydro batteries several times before eventually recharging several major aquifers. What I am proposing is essentially reversing the flow of the Colorado River Compact. Bringing water from the coast of California first to mountaintop reservoirs then to the deserts of Nevada and Arizona and on to Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and Wyoming. This big idea looks past any individual city or states problems and looks at the whole and by using first principles identifies the actual problem and only solution. Thank you for your time, I would like the opportunity to explain in further detail and answer any questions.

[@adolfosantana8038]

Interesting ideas! I'm a nobody, but grew up in the central valley on a farm where recently, my dad had to redrill a new well from the previous 30' to 100' @ an expensive $15k. The previous well lasted over 30plus years and who knows how long before we moved there. It's no coincidence that this coincided with all the surrounding farms switching to growing almonds(please drink oatmilk instead of almond milk, tastes better than real milk even lol!)! Anyhow, would tunneling/piping from the ocean, above ground, below ground and even over mountains all the way to the lowest point in Death valley @-282', using just gravity and vacuum(like siphoning fuel from a vehicle) to turn turbines but also maybe somehow using ample sunlight, dry air and scorching heat to evaporate seawater and collect overhead with curved glass roofs. We could even use those parabolic mirrors, like the one seen on I-15 headed to Vegas, which heat up the molten salt to boil water or something to create steam to turn energy producing turbines....hell, we could use salt water to produce steam and then distill the left over pure water!

[@adolfosantana8038]

Could someone calculate the flow and energy produced by using an equivalently tall dam and also the amount of water distilled from using the data from that one particular place.

[@DavidElzeitsinfill]

@@adolfosantana8038 Those are good ideas and the kind of thing I'm talking about. Yes I think combining sustainable energy generation with water desalination is the best investment we can make. You understand how valuable that water is for farming and industry.

[@seanohelan8241]

Damn that dam

[@raffaellatasca7558]

I like the video

[@oblisk5210]

This dam should never have been built, SF promised trails and roads to access the lands. They havent after a hundred years. Built this right in Yosemite National park before it was established and destroyed tons of native land and ecosystems. Good old california.

[@natlovell122]

This state is just one political disaster after the next. Incompetent and evil politicians are ruining this beautiful state while raking in millions of dollars. Sad state of affairs

[@skysurfer5cva]

Worse, the dam was constructed 33 years AFTER Yosemite National Park was established. The City of San Francisco had the political pull to get the dam constructed, even though it was illegal to do so.

[@adolfosantana8038]

His explanation and wording of their water rights was a little confusing if not purposely

[@hotttt28]

Save Hetch-Hetchy

[@MRtacoma22]

That dam shouldn't exist.It doesn't need to.

[@Lazris59]

I understand water is a valuable resource in California, but making a dam in a national park is unacceptable. I'd rather people in san Francisco either use less water with either quotas or pay higher prices. My choice is for the city not to have grown as large to need this reservoir to survive. I don't care about other dams on other rivers. You can dam everything except those rivers and areas chosen to be left in their natural state for our enjoyment. This needs to be removed.

[@koti_in_der_hosi2884]

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[@alexpieczynski8768]

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[@hotttt28]

Not true !

[@michaelburt1663]

Sadly there are still some well intended people who want to abandon the system by tearing down the main damn. Fortunately clear heads prevailed and in recent years several upgrades to the system and damn have extended its life for several generations to come.

[@b-better1]

That damn should never have been built and SF never lived up to their part of the deal

[@derek20la]

SF doesn't deserve it. A shithole city should get shitty water. As the costal and interior parts of California drift further apart politically, it would not surprise me if a new round of "water wars" begins... with rival territories sabotaging the pipeline crossing thru, just like over a century ago with LA's aqueduct.

[@johnlucier5654]

​@@b-better1well it was so too bad. If the lake was there naturally and someone removed it people would be screaming to put the lake back. It. Just. Doesnt. Matter.