Heterodox or apostate? Pope Francis deserts Jesus in Singapore

[@donaldlippert6374]

I used to endure these transgressions with profound sadness, but now with a steeled determination to resist error and love the Truth. Thank you Dr Ashenden and Catholic Unscripted for allowing the Truth to shine forth.

[@geriburston4315]

Gavin says it all so eloquently, all I can add is my own small personal account. I left my local woke church that only preached sin-odality. I found the traditional Mass again, and I have returned to receive Holy Communion on the tongue. I feel that this is a code from the flock to the shepherd, our priests can make an instant connection to our deepest hearts by this signal to tradition. God bless all fellow Catholics here, and our thanks to Catholic Unscripted

[@Hope_Boat]

@@geriburston4315 you are still in communion with an openly heretical Pontiff. Worse even : you are supposed to submit to him for your salvation (Unam Sanctam) The fact that the TLM has preserved the sacraments does not resolve that issue. One has to admit that the fundamental Dogmas Catholicism developed after the Gregorian Reformation of the 11th century didn't stand the test of time. Dictatus Papae proclaimed that only the Roman Church was Universal, Francis preaches otherwise (as all popes since 1962) That the Roman Pontiff holds the imperial Insignia and all princes are to kiss his feet. That didn't turn well did it? That the Roman Church will never err in all perpetuity. If it never erred why are the post Vatican 2 dogmas so dramatically opposed to the pre Vatican 2 ones? That can only leave us with one possibility : the problem predates Vatican 2. Errors were proclamed at least since the Great Schism with the orthodox Church. This is even more obvious when you compare how the orthodox managed to preserve their sacraments, liturgy, iconography, hymnology, sacred, architecture despite not 'benefiting' from the protection of a guarantor pontiff. Kyrie eleison ☦️

[@jimnewl]

Whatever. I attend a NO parish and receive the Lord's body on my tongue, kneeling. Our liturgy and music are solemn and reverent--no organ, but piano, viola, and choir--and our sermons are theological. Having fled the Trad world, I'm perfectly happy where I am.

[@andrewmiles3378]

Sounds horrid, definitely a collapse downwards.

[@andrewmiles3378]

You did absolutely the right thing. The Lord has called you out of error and into the truth. You are safe now. God bless you. Fr. Andrew.

[@llively8272]

@@andrewmiles3378 The sung Latin mass is so incredibly beautiful. I hope God sees fit to preserve it from passing away as long as this world endures. If you're really a priest, your response is a little confusing and sad.

[@zeusssonfire]

I don't mean to puff you up, but this was one of your finest speeches Gavin, and there have certainly been a few! The fruits of the Holy Spirit are on full display in your words and presentation. Equal parts tender, empathetic, wise, and clear doctrine! Thank you for having the courage to do the Lord's will and share this with us. Saint Joseph, Terror of Demons, pray for us. 🙏🏻🔥

[@denisjackson8310]

@@zeusssonfire you must be joking ?!

[@johnharkness6304]

@@denisjackson8310 yes, you really must!

[@starlightatdusk4896]

Thank you sir. I am a fellow former Anglican (and former Lutheran), member of the Ordinariate. I joined in Pope Benedict's papacy. This papacy is confounding and demoralising, in the extreme. God help us.

[@paisley293]

I believe you meant to write 'Pope Benedict's papacy'. Am I right?... And I do agree with the two last statements you made. 🙏Let us all contine to pray the Rosary, remain near Our Lady, who stood at the foot of her Son's Cross. She will lead us home to the Father's House.

[@starlightatdusk4896]

Hah, thank you, I corrected it. Will continue to pray, it's all we laity can do.

[@royquick-s5n]

I have observed Anglican converts to have a view of Roman Catholicism up to the 1940s, what I call a Bing Crosby Catholicism. What may be particularly disarming is that very issues from which they fled, ordination of women or abandonment of traditional biblical moral on homosexuality, spread to the Roman Catholic Church also, as it has to many denominations.

[@geordiewishart1683]

Mary is dead in the grave awaiting the resurrection. Papacy is anti Christ. Catholicism is mystery Babylon

[@peaceandjoy2568]

Welcome home. I'm a cradle Catholic in Asia. Popes come and go. Our Lord's teachings remains the same. We stay when the pope is great and we hang in there with the Deposit of Faith when some powers in the heirarchy seem to be doing their best to demolish the Church. It's Jesus' Church, preserved by the Holy Spirit. So we all know who wins in the end. 🙂

[@thomasmccafferty8203]

I read the comments by Pope Francis yesterday and was left more confused and demoralised as a catholic. This morning at mass the gospel acclamation ‘ I am the way, the Truth and the Life, says the Lord; no one can come to the Father except through me. ‘ Then I listen to your wonderful analysis Gavin and thank God I am no longer confused.

[@dr.davidhoward3179]

🙏🏻😇⛪❤️‍🔥👑🕯️🕊️

[@tf8066]

Thank you Gavin. For putting into words our feelings. So helpful

[@seanjones1020]

I was thinking on this and my own experience. I came back to the Church after some 15yrs after living through the last few years and the rotting and death of our society caused exactly because we collectively abandoned God for the world and all the nihilism this leads to. I picked up my bible and read tge gospels and in them I saw the Church prefigured in them from Noah's Ark, to the apostles in the storm cringing in the boat. I was treading water for all those 15yrs there are no other boats, so it is ss our Lord says have faith I know what is going on and i will calm 5he storm in time. But now is the time for all those who have returned like prodigal sons to withstand the humiliation and suffer the scandalisation for Christ and His Church. I believe God is testing our loyalty to him. He is also using Pope Francis as an example to us all to know our faith, no longer can we be lazy, nor can we rely on right and true catechesis from our clergy. This is vital as we move on. This will be the spiritual soil in which the Church in her sickness is reinvigorated by those of us who do this. And so too we must pray for Pope Francis and his immortal soul. Kyrie eleison.

[@mikeparle1381]

Amen. In Charity we must offer heartfelt prayer for our brother pope Francis for his conversion.

[@tony1685]

Sir, i was about to pass this post up then noticed how you ended with praying for his 'immortal soul'. this is the first lie ever told on earth -- Gen 3:4 sadly, your 'church' is propagating the same lie from Satan, started in the garden. what's more, catholicism is not at all Christianity -- i was catholic 35 yrs and can show you numerous ways of proving this. but you have to have trust in the Word of our Creator, or all else will fail in walking in God's Way, Sir.

[@seanjones1020]

@@tony1685 Go for it bud, don't deny me the truth.

[@nathanielrichards5012]

Amen! Thanks for speaking out on this difficult but necessary topic, Dr. Ashenden!

[@M5guitar1]

The first Peter denied Christ 3 times. We are experiencing the same now. The first Peter repented. May the current Peter repent before it's too late.

[@andrewmiles3378]

The 'current Peter?! Bergoglio is nothing of the sort! He is a modernist liberal, a neo-Marxist, where 5 if not 6 observations indicate that he was either not validly elected in the first place, or has lost the papal office due to formal heresy. He is an imposter, a usurper, who dares to sit in the Chair of Peter, vomiting forth filth.

[@littlerock5256]

Peter denied knowing Christ and Peter wasn't yet the pope. And, as you said, Peter immediately repented.

[@plantsnrockies]

Peter also wasn't filled with the Holyspirit then, but once he was lead by the spirit he never denied our Lord. This case has no scope a Pope just opening his mouth & uttering nonsense to poor children & people who don't know Christ, what a devangeliser he is.

[@macabeo]

This is judas

[@edwinkubena9944]

God gives us just so many chances we all need to reflect on that and repent become an overcomer. Bergoglio seems to hate the faith and those who love the faith are his enemies in his eyes. Learn the faith and you won’t be among the sheeple who follow error and heresy. Heresy seems to be the new normal. Read the Alta Vendita for a start!

[@dennisd3926]

At the beginning of his papal tenure PF bristled when he was told that he was the Vicar of Christ. He said he was merely the bishop of Rome. I take him at his word.

[@davidpreciado4114]

From the very beginning , he admitted what he was not.

[@dorotheaivanovna9457]

I'm so sorry he's revealing more and more who he really is. Confused and deceived. May the sheep find and stay close to the true Shepherd of their souls.

[@roddumlauf9241]

@@dorotheaivanovna9457 But the Catholic Church teaches that the Holy Spirit is the one who guides the Bishops in their election of the successor to Peter ...was the Holy Spirit Wrong ?

[@thecatholictypologist5009]

Pope Benedict XVI said that the role of the Holy Spirit at a conclave is not about ensuring that the best man is chosen, but more akin to ensuring that, whoever is chosen, he will not sink the barque completely.

[@royquick-s5n]

@@roddumlauf9241 The college of cardinals chooses a pope. The papacy is an administrative position in the church. Yes, history confirms that some popes chosen turned out not to be not the best men for the position or may not have lived up to expectations. However, I am not alluding that Pope Francis is one of them.

[@beverleyhamilton7802]

Thank you for your calm and wise words. God really had a plan for you becoming Catholic - me also. God is good.

[@teresasombati3339]

Beautifully said! Thank you for the words of encouragement to all Catholics in our time of need.

[@richardyoung1182]

Jesus is the way to the father

[@kristenheitzmann4550]

What a perfect treatment of the subject. Bless you

[@robertferiglecassidy4006]

Dear Dr. Ashenden, May Our Lady of Sorrows intercede for you. Thank you.

[@elizabethlee6049]

As Catholics , if we think that the Pope had sent a wrong message, can we please join hands and pray for him?

[@trojanhman8136]

I pray for his conversion every day.

[@AlasPoorEngland]

@@elizabethlee6049 If a Pope preaches error - ok, he’s protected if he speaks as a “private doctor” ie, not to the world at large, but this was pretty public - IS he Pope? If the Pope needs conversion, he’s not even in the church … but perhaps not CONVERSION but PENITENCE is needed … when Peter denied Christ, he lied about a factual matter, but did not utter false doctrine …

[@tolkienlewis6887]

My Protestant friends look at me in amazement. I'm 70. First time in my life I can't defend the pope and he isn't defending Christ.

[@bonjovi1612]

Speaking as a former Catholic born in Ulster who lived through the Troubles. I was born in to a Catholic family and knew precious little what it meant. I looked at Catholics and Protestants, supposedly, and was dismayed. Then I met some born again Christians and had my eyes opened to a simple truth. My salvation was the work of Jesus on the cross. His resurrection the proof of it. I have never since allied to any denomination. Christ is my King, Lord and Saviour. Every thing else is hevel.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

​@@bonjovi1612 Catholicism doesn't depend on the fallible statements of the Pope. And the relativism of Protestantism leads nowhere. And in your specific case, your choice to avoid submitting yourself to a pastor (that's how I interpreted your current state) is disobedience to God and His words in the Bible.

[@williammartinjr.3627]

Great time to be Alive!!! Rosary & TLM stay solid, G-D is weeding out His Church!

[@SonOfThineHandmaid]

G-D? You mean God?

[@geordiewishart1683]

Rosary. What a demonic superstition

[@SuppressioHibernicis]

​@@geordiewishart1683 yet you're here.

[@SonOfThineHandmaid]

@@geordiewishart1683 the rosary is neither demonic nor a superstition. It is the holiest and most powerful prayer you can pray.

[@AlasPoorEngland]

@@SonOfThineHandmaidThought that was the Pater Noster.

[@BernardStevens-vl3mz]

A very sad day for us and Christians.

[@denisjackson8310]

Why ?

[@denisjackson8310]

I’m simply astounded that a supposedly intelligent Catholic can speak like this about the Holy Father , pope Francis ! Gavin Ashenden reveals his fundamental ignorance of pope Francis’ teaching & theology. Ashenden doesn’t seem to know the difference between pantheism and panentheism! He says absurd things like : ‘the pope is trying to take away the dignity of human beings …’ -the pope is patronising.. - the pope is directing people to hell.. - the pope is being intellectually dishonest.. - the pope is betraying Jesus and the Church.. - the pope is a neo-Buddhist - the pope is not in fact a Catholic..he does not speak for Jesus!. These scandalous remarks of Ashenden are anti Catholic, unchristian and absurd. He says we should be praying for a new pope who is true & faithful , unlike Pope Francis who is full of ‘spiritual chicanery’. Words almost fail me in replying !🤣 Please don’t be deceived by Ashenden as he appears to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing …as his sentences are spoken in a smiling , confident tone full of piety & devout words ….❗️

[@janecormier7814]

Sir, you speak the truth. The pope has turned his back on the one he was chosen to represent. He has revealed himself as the wolf in sheep Clothing. Our Lord Jesus died to leave us the truth he shit his blood. Our pope won’t even except the disapproval of the world to represent Christ and to help us get to heaven. He has excommunicated himself from the teachings of our church. The Catholic Church led by Jesus Christ for 2000 years. He has turned his back on Christ and follow the world. May God have mercy On us all. Our blessed mother Mary intercede for us.

[@andrewmiles3378]

100% spot on!

[@lgtsln]

I am the way , the truth and the light

[@roddumlauf9241]

what are you saying ? The light, or the life, or both ?

[@SuppressioHibernicis]

Preaching to the choir here.

[@jimnewl]

You are?

[@lgtsln]

😂

[@veganandcatholic]

He is not putting me off my conversion … probs making me more comitted….🙏❤️🍀

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

@@veganandcatholic same here.

[@alisterrebelo9013]

It was the same for me reverting last year. The Church remains true regardless of the fallible words of the Pope.

[@bolivarnj]

Thanks! I needed this.

[@mendoncacorreia]

It is an article of the Catholic Faith that ‘extra Ecclesiam nulla salus’ (‘outside the Church there is no salvation’). Objectively (mind you: objectively), anyone who denies that is outside the Church and therefore cannot be saved. ‘Men can find in the worship of any religion the way to eternal salvation and attain eternal salvation’ is a proposition condemned by Blessed Pius IX in the Syllabus (#16). Propositions formally condemned by the Church cannot and should not be defended by any Catholic, least of all by the Pope.

[@roddumlauf9241]

The Church has formally changed that teaching that "there is no Salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church". I listen to a lot of Scott Hahn. He has shown us that Catholic Teaching says that one must be in the Church, but not necessarily in the Roman Church to be saved.

[@Hope_Boat]

Orthodox here. And what are you going to do about that?

[@stormchaser9738]

Didn’t we excommunicate a bishop awhile back who rigidly held to that “outside the Church” means “outside of the institutional Catholic Church” over that opinion? It left him in the awkward position of being outside the very church he said is essential.

[@Mar--Mar]

@@roddumlauf9241 Scott Hahn at one stage made up his own version of the Rosary. He also held certain views on the supposed femininity of the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity. So there's that.

[@mendoncacorreia]

@roddumlauf9241 + @stormchaser9738 , check 'Lumen gentium', n. 14: "This Sacred Council [Vatican II] wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism [...] and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church. Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved." (Also quoted in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, n. 846.)

[@JeanMR2383]

Good show! Lord have mercy on us all🙏✝️✝️✝️

[@HansKillius]

Jesus said he is the WAY, the truth, and the life. Within Christianity, as Bishop of Rome, Pope, priest, pastor, preacher you cannot proclaim any other way to salvation.

[@jacquim5012]

Amen!

[@steved7961]

Francis chose that name presumably because he wanted to seek to emulate St. Francis who contended against Islam at the risk of his life and offered to walk through fire with an Imam to prove his faith. When I saw that the newly elected (?) Pope was a South American Jesuit, I was horrified and it seems that I was right to feel so.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@royquick-s5nI was taught by the Notre Dame nuns in the early sixties that Jesuits were excluded from the papacy.

[@Mar--Mar]

@@rosezingleman5007 Yes, Catholics were taught that back in the day, based on the fact the St Ignatius of Loyola didn't want Jesuits to be bishops, and also that Jesuits make a promise not to aspire to higher offices.

[@rebeccadanvers884]

​@@royquick-s5nyou do not have a clue about the hispanic universe. I do because I am hispanic, and the post you are answering to shows wisdom. I knew francis was going to be bad news.

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

Have you read the book: “In the Spirit of St Francis and the Sultan”? It encourages Christians to pray IIslamic prayers.

[@steved7961]

@@StabilisingGlobalTemperature Had the author been St. Francis, I would read it. It is actually written by two people who seem to believe that the religions have much in common. I disagree very strongly. One of the 99 titles of the god of Isl*m is 'the deceiver'. Sums it up nicely.

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

I hope Musk takes over KZbin and stops the censorship. I am finding it hard to post comments that do not quickly disappear.

[@groblerful]

We are living in tough times

[@llively8272]

Absolutely beautiful, thank you so much for sharing this. Very well reasoned and articulated. I'm always late to the news, and felt very discouraged when I heard about this today. Your words encouraged me and reminded me of something I learned years ago. We shouldn't put our hope in any man on earth, no matter who he is or how we good we thing he is. Our Lord Jesus Christ is our hope in all things, and He is faithful.

[@edwardgenet164]

Jesus is KING of kings LORD of Lords and the Only Way. All roads lead to Rome The One True Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church.

[@Le_Trouvere]

I'm tired of hearing people say the God of Islam or any other religion is the same. This to me is utterly untrue. Muslims cannot believe in the same God as Christians because they believe in a god that supports the behaviour of Muhammad, when our God, Jesus Christ of course did not choose Muhammad as a prophet and would NOT condone his actions and teachings which we can see run contrary to Christ's. So how then do they worship the same God when they don't even believe in Christ? Someone try to explain that to me... There seems no evidence and Dr Ashenden touches perfectly on this. Our God is the CHRISTIAN GOD.

[@roddumlauf9241]

Jews and Muslims do not worship the same God, but they intend to. Jewish minds are completely screwed up in regards to the One True God, as are Muslims, but their intention is to worship the one God of Abraham. But Buddhism is not even close to reaching out to the One True God.

[@Mar--Mar]

@@royquick-s5n There were many errors in Vatican 2 and this is reflected in the various documents.

[@royquick-s5n]

@@Mar--Mar That is a contention found among the reactionary TLM people to justify in their minds their lack of conformity.

[@Le_Trouvere]

@@royquick-s5n I already have, many times, but it sadly hasn't helped these concerns of mine... Muslims may believe they pray to our God but the reality is different and us hoping they'll use their belief to one day become catholic is wishful. Ex Muslims always say it's only once they realise just how different Muhammad and the REAL Christ are that they realise Islam is wrong. How do you interpret this part of Vatican 2 ?

[@Le_Trouvere]

@@royquick-s5n LG16: "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind" This does not say that they are certain to gain salvation, if anything they shall be likely required on the day of judgement to process their faith in Christ, not Muhammad, and that CHRIST is Lord and that the trinitine God of father son and holy spirit is tue truth and that Muhammad was a false prophet who did unspeakably anti-Christian things. To therefore remind them in this life that this will likely be their experience is a good thing. Them being part of the plan i.e. day of salvation means they bow along with all peoples when they realise their error. As I mentioned above their beliefs of God are wrong even if they pray to a creator and partly one like that of Abraham they need actively reminding that this isn't enough! I believe the issue comes from the words "along with us", this can be interpreted as 'they do an action alongside us, this doesn't mean their prayers are to the same being.' Surely this is the case? Jean Paul surely knows they still err in their beliefs even if their intentions are towards who they believe to be the creator. So we need to remind them this isn't the case but treat them as someone lost and need of help.

[@clivelitchfield1305]

As a convert of 2 and a bit years, thank you for all you do Gavin. From the frying pan into the fire it seemed, but not so as you clearly assert.

[@edwinkubena9944]

Years ago left the No us Ordo It left the faith The traditional Catholic Church retains the faith. Without faith, hope, and charity you have nothing. The Novus Ordo lost its faith when it embraced the heresy of Modernism!

[@Viva8743]

AMEN AMEN AND AMEN!

[@rossnorthing9805]

‘Since when did Isengard abandon reason for madness?’

[@peaceandjoy2568]

Maybe God is refining our faith through the crucible. If we survive this we shall have become better Catholics, faithful to Christ's unchanging teachings in the Deposit of Faith despite the most sophisticated deception and casuistry from wolves in sheeps' clothing. And we would have learned to forgive the painful batrayals of fathers and shepherds that we were taught to love.

[@melldafreeman6997]

Your words inspired thoughts on Truth. Why is it essential and why do we demand it? Why are we able to live for it and ultimately die for it? We long for it, seek it and mysteriously know it when we are confronted with it. We are made by the Truth for the truth. A book titled The Crisis of Truth by Ralph Martin woke me up years ago. Truth is eternal. I pray our pope finds it.

[@RobertPentangelo]

In Singapore? No, no-long before that.

[@mariasless1]

Thank you for your words

[@donaldkeith139]

This is very well said 👏

[@edwinkubena9944]

You know them by their fruits. He is an apostate!

[@robkeeleycomposer]

I’m an Anglo-catholic but love what Gavin always tells us. God bless him. I find Buddhism quite repellent and bleak. Love to see the menorah behind him, but a little concerned at seeing the crutches.

[@BinkyTheElf1]

Buddhism is spiritual euthanasia. It is not utterly wrong, but must be redeemed, cleansed, and completed by the Gospel.. NOT by Kumbayah nonsense.

[@leaverus]

He is a Catholic by baptism but a neopaganist by faith.

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

My Catholic friends, please familiarize yourself with Marcel Lefebvre’s “Open Letter To Confused Catholics”

[@paulcapaccio9905]

I pray the Warning comes soon

[@sergesavard636]

The chastisement can’t come soon enough

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

What is The Warning, please?

[@vanessamay3689]

I think it’s here.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@cindiloowhoo1166look up Our Lady of Fatima and also Akita in an online Catholic Encyclopedia.

[@paulcapaccio9905]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 the warning is a Catholic prophesy. Read the warning by Christine Watkins. Monumental event in the history of all mankind since the birth of Christ. It will be like an act of mercy because the world has totally rejected God

[@paddyearly]

Wonderful laying out of the Glory of our faith and the need for each of us to overcome our own sinful ways🙏 What’s really sad is the weakness of the Cardinals, Bishops and Priests who refuse to stand united against such errors of the Pope😭 We must seek to stay strong no matter what persecutions come🙏 These errors of the Pope make it more likely that the global criminals will ramp up their plans to destroy humanity🤮😈 This is the passion of the Church and just like the Passion of the Lord it’s really dark but ultimately the Resurrection follows🙏 Glory to God🙏

[@philiphumphrey1548]

It's as if the Pope is trying to be Captain Picard from Star Trek, the "wise" man who understands and dabbles in all cultures and beliefs, but ultimately never commits to any of them. Pope Benedict was more like James T Kirk, knew what he believed and didn't make compromises.

[@coraquaid8079]

Look to our lady of lá Salette and to Fr Malachi Martin

[@Pawel_Jozwik]

Pope in name only.

[@andrewmiles3378]

100% spot on!

[@williambranch4283]

Apostate. Ecumenism with other Christianities is heterodox.

[@shayneswenson]

I’m Orthodox, but I absolutely love your content. ❤☦️

[@joyfulservantsofthecross]

The Warning is near - the pope will see all his errors and be given a chance to repent - i pray that he does - but the narrow way is not tor everyone..,,,

[@mercedesaschenbrenner9352]

These calming yet encouraging and beautiful, hopeful words could have been said by the Holy Father in a time of persecution of Catholics in the world. The fact that it is not the case, that the persecution comes from inside, that the man who was put in charge of defending the Bride of Christ is who triggers your message, is a very sad watershed moment for me and speaks of the darkness that has enveloped this papacy. Yes, I pray for the next Pope, for his loyalty to Christ and for his fidelity to the Church. I really have a tender sorrow for the converts. Lord have mercy on our souls.

[@wife97]

Thank you for stating the truth so beautifully. In this bad situation, it is good to hear it.

[@JoyTheDigitalKnight]

Okay, first of all, I'm from Indonesia and I speak zero italian language, but I can immediately see the CONTEXT here. Pope was talking in an interreligious event with many non Catholics groups (Singapore and Indonesia consists of many religions), so he needs to have common ground with them in order to have a better dialogue. Saying all religion as paths to reach God is correct in some sense, at least for those different religious groups. Because all religions are basically trying to reach God, BUT Pope didn't go as far to say that their paths are the correct one. If you watch/hear Pope's speech on other occasions and context, you will realize that he is still conservative. And people needs to understand, asian people have too much cultural and religious diversity, and most of the time, bringing hammer and axe in an interreligious discussion won't result in anything at all. I'm a Catholic in Indonesia, and I know how sensitive it is talking about religion without first trying to have some common ground. So I kinda get it what the pope was trying to do. So, for the media out there to take out his words out of context is not fair

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

The root of the problem is Nostra aetate, 1965. Heavily influenced by Jewish Masons.

[@jhj6636]

Thank you, Dr Ashenden. I have written to the Papal Nuncio for Great Britain, highlighting Pope Francis' comments and asking for clarification and intervention. Deo gratias.

[@picturesquelife4175]

Thank you for this video essay! One thought comes to mind: if someone have presented me such argument in the conversation, I would have asked that person: what about martyrs for faith that Catholic Church venerates? If all religions are the same, are you saying that those men and women who died because they didn’t want to denounce our Lord Jesus and bow to either to pagan gods or to Muslim god or to Buddha, were incorrect and they did it all in vain? Something is wrong with that premise…

[@slimero3039]

Syllabus of Error- Pope BI. Pius IX- 1864 Condemned Statement 16. Man may, in the observance of any religion whatever, find the way of eternal salvation, and arrive at eternal salvation. - Encyclical “Qui pluribus,” Nov. 9, 1846. Condemned Statement 17. Good hope at least is to be entertained of the eternal salvation of all those who are not at all in the true Church of Christ. - Encyclical “Quanto conficiamur,” Aug. 10, 1863, etc. Vatican II is a wolf.

[@robertwatt7394]

Simple answer. NO!

[@paulahuggins7605]

As a Catholic who lives in Singapore I would say that his presence here was a blessing and his message of hope, unity and love touched many hearts - Christian and non-Christian alike. Who knows what fruit will be born in future from the seeds of peace he has sown and the bridges to dialogue he has built. Blessings on you Gavin : May you find peace in your own heart 🙏🏼

[@dariusclovis1374]

Why censure Francis since he is only restating the teaching of Vatican II Council's document NOSTRA AETATE (Declaration on the Relation of the Church to Non-Christian Religions)? Reading that document, one can easily see that his remarks are in perfect accord with what Vatican II called for.

[@StabilisingGlobalTemperature]

Indeed so. And several popes have variously kissed the Koran and prayed alongside Muslims facing Mecca. The Kaaba with the black stone set in a corner of it is pure paganism. Why would a Christian face a pagan object to pray? Why kiss a book that demands your execution?

[@mikeparle1381]

Sir I will pray that you find the way, the truth and the life in Jesus.

[@davidmorrison2739]

It's all very interesting for Protestants to see the Pontiff, the Vicar of Christ, the infallible one under certain circumstances, the one who has his hand kissed, who used to be carried in a raised chair, who can declare people to be "saints", and so on, being criticised by his faithful flock for being a Buddhist.

[@stevenjames1138]

It's difficult to be a Catholic with Francis as Pope.

[@joehouston2833]

Bye 👋🏻

[@EpoRose1]

@@joehouston2833So you don’t believe Catholicism is the one true Church, either, and it doesn’t matter if people leave it?

[@joehouston2833]

@@EpoRose1 @stevenjames1138 said "it's difficult to be a Catholic".. Need to ask him that question..

[@Hope_Boat]

It's not difficult to be orthodox though. Kyrie eleison ☦️

[@joehouston2833]

@@Hope_Boat lol..

[@StephenClark-m7q]

Amen 🙏 🙏 Amen thank you

[@AK-nw7tr]

Peace and thank you. Reverts too are sorrowful. My light of faith restored while hearing Unitarian teach 7 deadly sins. Knew had to return to practice Catholicism. The Holy Father's in trouble. One can only hope it's not what he believes but diplomacy.

[@DavidLee-mp8us]

Very thought provoking. The Pope is what you say he is. He is also a Peronist in delivering his views: changing them to suit the audience.

[@prentrupathome5319]

How lucky we are to have the leisure to debate these points of religion. In Ken Burns' recent documentary series about the Vietnam War, one of the interviewees said that when the bullets started flying, card-carrying atheists started praying.

[@stephend7420]

Nice to see Nigel Biggar's book on the shelf!

[@patallen4904]

The flock bound along towards the cliff edge, the Shepherd is foolishly distracted, the job of a strong sheepdog to protect and lead the foolish back to the right path.

[@Peter-uj8ye]

how can one man cause so much trouble and chaos

[@Kjt853]

Some believe that the current pontiff isn’t a cause; he’s a *result* - a result of a drift that has been going on probably for centuries but that was given the green light in the wake of the Second Vatican Council. I’ll leave it to heads wiser than mine to decide the matter.

[@rosezingleman5007]

@@Kjt853beyond our pay grade in any case

[@363catman]

My opinion, the fact the church"s operational structure is an elected absolute monarchy that serves a life term of office. and you are seeing the current monarch actually exercising the authority the church has declared this office has. Second point it is codified in canon law that "the first See is judged by no one" for the Layman not familiar with Catholic terminology that means the Pope is judged by no one, that means there is no judicial review of his decisions, there is no referendum, recall or what we would call legislative approval process of anything he declares or states.

[@andrewpatterson725]

Not a Catholic but wanted to hear Catholics responding to the Pope. Helpful. I suspect that many within the church might effectively hold to Pope Francis' view - I certainly have met many Catholics who think there is Salvation in other faiths aside from Christ (and liberal protestants too). I do think John 14 is key to Jesus' understanding of the way to God and I think I would rather trust Him on this one. A

[@aniccadance13]

I wonder if the Pope is suffering from some type of cognitive decline 😟

[@Hope_Boat]

@@aniccadance13 as an orthodox I have another diagnosis. He suffers from the temptation to be the universal bishop. Which implies to conform to the times.

[@paddyearly]

If he is he has been suffering from it since the beginning of his Papacy!

[@sunnyclimes4884]

I must admit the current Pope and alot of Bishops concern me with their views on certain matters. For me the willingness to embrace Islam and the likes of Transgender issues. Its not what we are about.

[@douglasdde376]

Thank you so much for focusing on our faith, I have written to our local Bishop asking for direction, nay with hope for an answer but expecting nothing, why not become a born again Protestant once saved always saved lot easier then failing constantly and asking for forgiveness, trying to live as Christ directs us, the lad from the Vatican forgot to mention whether Satan is just another way after all he once was the highest angel in heaven Doug / Ottawa

[@Mar--Mar]

The lad from the Vatican 😁

[@iainrae6159]

As Brian said, Don't follow leaders, think for yourselves '.

[@GodLovesAll-j8j]

ST. CATHERINE OF SIENA, in her spiritual dialogue, while praying before the tabernacle, said: “Jesus, you can love me with great love, and I can only love you with small love.” But Jesus said to her: “I have made it possible for you to love me with great love. I have put you among neighbors. I have placed your neighbor at your side. Whatever you do for your neighbors, you do for me. When you go to them, you go to me.” Catherine, full of joy went out running to a hospital to visit the sick and to care for them. She was full of joy because she knew that running to her neighbors, she was running to Jesus. Visiting them she was visiting Jesus. Loving them, she was loving Jesus. And she said, “Now I can love Jesus with great love!” ST. CAJETAN started a congregation of clergy called the Oratory of Divine Love, and he founded hospitals for incurables. St. Cajetan told his brothers, “In our oratory (or chapel) we try to serve God by worship; but it is in our hospital that we actually find him.”

[@Mutasis_Mutandis]

Thanks!

[@stevew1669]

Good one, Gavin! Says everything.

[@pmlm1571]

This was SO good, thank you! I took these notes in case anyone else wants them: "God" means ultimate principle. Atheism says there is no Ultimate Principle. The universe is all an accident without meaning. Atheists ignore the contradiction that humans need to access language of meaning to say there is no meaning. Atheism is an emotional response to the universe rather than a rational response: atheism is a dishonest, disingenuous way to keep oneself "free" of duty/responsibility. Pantheism says there is a kind of ultimate principle, but it's a life force: our experience of personalities is an illusion. Buddhism is a combo of pantheism and atheism, suggesting that our consciences and our personalities are illusions, better given up. There's a life cycle toward nothingness as we detach ourselves from our addiction to meaning, we find ourselves diffused throughout the universe like a drop of water in the sea. Polytheism. e.g. Hinduism. there are many life forces, not easily distinguished, like projections from nature. Polytheism is multiple choice answers to the difficulties of the universe, so no answer. None of these deal with the issue of good and evil The monotheisms say the ultimate principle is indeed God and they tackle good and evil in different ways Islam: the way to deal with good and evil: we can't always know. We have a rulebook, we follow it and we submit to the ultimate principle who we can never have a relationship with. He sent the ultimate prophet Mo, (Jesus was the previous prophet and was mistaken, the bible a forgery). Christianity deals w good and evil. God has dignified us w human choice. And our choices we make in the pursuit of good vs evil will carry us closer to or farther from Him. In dying on the Cross, JC makes it possible for us to approach the nuclear holiness of God even when we make the wrong choices so long as we repent. Our repentance is part of the choice system. At every step we see these ultimate principles lead in diff directions. The pope is pretending the other ultimate principles have no real authenticity: he is pretending they are fictions of other's people's imaginations. That's why they are not worth fighting over, they are just their misunderstandings. It's patronizing, a form of low grade religious colonializing. What right does monotheism have to dismiss other views of the ultimate principle as self delusiory subdivisions of a Christian heresy? No right. In saying "it's all good, all roads lead to God," the pope saves people from some of the dignity of human beings, saves us from making choices. Some of us have made the most radical sacrifices to choose the narrow, difficult and painful way The easy self-pleasing way, life-is-too-hard-to-make-a-choice-way, leads away from God The pope is directing people towards hell, away from God, by telling them not to make choices, not to make distinctions, to take the easy way. A form of lazy ignorance, a 60's-70's lazy self-indulgence. For a pope to say this is a terrible betrayal of Jesus. Pope F is not representing the teaching of JC, nor of the Church, nor of the saints, nor of holiness or wisdom or goodness That's the spiritual geography and philosophy of dealing with good and evil; the dignity of human choice the pope appears to be a near-buddhist. we are in a fight of good vs evil all institutions have been infiltrated by evil--right to the top of the CC. That's a shock. Catholics are devoted to hierarchy, order, history, authority (which mirrors heaven) but these can be used to quash Truth. Truth has to come first. The truth is the pope appears not to be a Catholic but a near buddhist. He does not speak for the Church, nor for Jesus Christ, nor the saints, not for me. This is humiliating, confusing, demoralizing, a sign of the seriousness of the times. We are at the end of a cultural cycle. As this time of crisis sharpens, it seems that evil has infiltrated everything. We can say, "This is not the truth, we must turn to the truth, serve it, be faithful to the Truth." Speak up as prophets. "don't panic" (hitchhikers guide to the galaxy) consign p f to the mercy and judgement of Jesus pray he will be replaced by a faithful successor to the Apostles We reject this pope's chicanery and betrayal "Who am I judge"" is the pope relinquishing his office. we wait for one who is faithful nihilism: atheism denigration of humanity: buddhism confusion: polytheism danger: paganism fear, worship of power: islam compare to our loving familial God, Father, Son and Spirit, loving/being loved, forgiving/being forgiven, knowing him as abba, father, becoming his child by adoption because his and our wills concur--both requiring death--Christ's death and the death of our egos. Death and resurrections are the matter of living with the one God; the other ultimate principles teach and lead in diff directions

[@DrGAshenden]

Thank you for taking the trouble to do this so accurately

[@pmlm1571]

@@DrGAshenden You are so welcome; thanks again for your clarity. Your video was a tour de force. God be with us and particularly with you as you keep the faith "in good times and in bad"--a well-wishing cradle Californian Catholic.

[@hoodtohneo3307]

What is happening here is exactly what we Catholics must not do. To practice our faith in a self-righteous and legalistic way. Is this how we live our life as the one true Church. I m a Singaporean Catholic who saw for myself how Pope Francis brought Christ to all the people he met. To all detractors of Pope Francis can you through your theology bring the experience of joy, love and grace to the people you meet. And in the case of Pope Francis the numbers amount to more than a million. Please be grateful for the Pope rather than diminish him. What do you think Christ Himself would have done and said when he visited Indonesia, Timor Leste, PNG and SG The Lord asked "who will cast the first stone... " Who gives us the right to judge Pope Francis? Were any of you there during the Pope's visit to us in SEA and Oceania. Are you as you speak so disparaging of the Pope thinking that you are speaking on behalf of Christ in judging him? Would this not be hubris on your part?

[@denisjackson8310]

Pope Francis ~ On The Inclusive, Boundless Infinite 🙏 When Pope Francis recently spoke so inclusively about the mystery of God on his visit to Singapore, I was hearing the very same thing I have been saying for a long time. There are no demarcation lines around the infinite mystery of boundless Love which is beyond the scope of our limited intellects. None whatsoever. Francis is unafraid of acknowledging that no one religion or thought system can ever claim exclusive rights over the boundless and infinite nature of the divine mystery. We are in this mystery and we are made of this mystery, but in our human form, the mystery is beyond us. I believe he is confronting our age with our absurdities and hubris about what we think we know about the divine mystery, and he is loosening the rigid positions of arrogance we often assume because we want to hold the exclusive narrative on who and what God is, and who are Gods preferred children. God has no temporary children. We are expressions of our Source. The infinite mystery, is closer to us than our own beating heart, and is yet so much ‘other’ than our minds could possibly contain. “They (religions) are like different languages in order to arrive at God, but God is God for all … Since God is God for all, then we are all children of God.”

[@stoarieti]

Why does Pope Francis saying that all religions are a path to God have to ruffle our Catholic feathers? I love the idea that all religions are a path to God and that our Muslim, Sikh, Hindu and Protestant brothers and sisters are also included in the Lord's circle of grace. There is only one God, afterall, who made all of us in His image and likeness, Christians and non-Christians alike. How in any way does that, or should that, detract from my faith in Jesus the Christ? In my opinion, the people criticizing the Pope for these comments are doing the equivalent of throwing a temper tantrum when their friend in the sandbox tells them that they can't have all the toys. And yes, Jesus did say, "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life; no one comes to the Father except through me"... Alleluia! As a Catholic Christian I believe this wholeheartedly and I try every day to recommit myself to following Jesus' example of unconditional love and being of healing service to others as my pathway to salvation. But aren't people from other faith traditions also able to practice the Gospel message of uncondtional love and healing, even if it's not in the name of Jesus? Do you really think our Lord Jesus the Christ cares one iota if you love your brother and your sister as He loves them, and if you commit your life in healing service to all just as He did, but you do it in the name of Allah, or Krishna, or Brahman? I understand, our human ego rebels at this concept, because our ego wants all the toys! But please, Jesus and his Father in Heaven are not bigots who are interested in playing the petty, territorial games of children. As a practicing Catholic, I understand the argument against the Pope, because my identity as a Catholic is part of an ego structure that demands there be an in group and an out group. But as a human being, I understand the Pope's argument and his intentions here. Where does our humanity meet our Catholic faith? Perhaps that's the place to start looking for answers here.

[@gerarddlima]

The Bible is very difficult to reconcile with your view.God destroys people for syncretization in Jeremiah.If all beliefs are true then Jesus did not have to come.

[@samanthaamaral2003]

When the catholic call wrong wrong as what you call a protestant I respect that.

[@loyaltotruth8435]

Thank you for speaking the Truth in this succinct comparative religion video. I'm not panicking, I just have a lot of Francis fatigue from the Francis Captivity that the Lord is purifying His Church with. I wish Francis would watch this video, but alas my dream would be his nightmare. Calling all Catholic bishops and cardinals...HELLO. Where are you? Anybody there? Have courage to address this apostasy with the Pope. Or do you also think he's a dictator tyrant? Will Francis convert before his eternal judgment?

[@Hope_Boat]

Orthodox here. Why do you expect the Cardinals to do anything. It's a monarchy.

[@Mark3ABE]

We are soon to enter on the “final phase” of Cardinal Fernandez’s “Grand Plan”. Today, many Catholics wish to be permitted to divorce and remarry. They wish to enter into same sex unions, with the full blessing of the Church. The Clergy wish to be released from their obligation to live chaste and celibate lives - many are already living in thinly disguised homosexual unions. Women wish to be ordained - initially, as Deacons, but, eventually, as Priests and Bishops - they will not rest until they have a female Pope! The great hope of Cardinal Fernandez is the second phase of the Synod. His tame appointees will formally request the changes which so many Catholics desire. Then, the grand design, of the new “Synodal Church” will be implemented. These changes are desired by the Faithful - who are the Bishops to deny the Faithful what they want?

[@theien5929]

Francis does not appear to have read the gospels or St. Paul.

[@Honeybee-z]

I panic, not for me but for my children and grandchildren who, as time goes by, have no connection to real catholicism in society and the peace it brings.

[@xyzzyx-tu6tk]

He confirms DIVINE TRUTH ! If you don't believe in the founders of the other monotheistic religions, you automatically DISBELIEVE in Jesus, because He is ONE with them as the Spirit of God (e.g. Revelation 1,4; 4,5 !). But now he has got this problem to resolve: The confirmation comes after 2000 years of contrary teaching and somewhat understandably Christians, who were taught otherwise, are suddenly shocked, upset, complain and scream. Instead they should ask the Pope and learn from Scripture how he knows, how he found out, that all religions are one in essence.

[@purekhizi]

Why can Gavin only justify his Christian faith by telling transparent lies about the nature of Islam?

[@Mark3ABE]

I have my own views, having read a life of Pope Francis. He was appointed as Superior to the Jesuits in Argentina, at a very young age. He tried to impose a strict compliance with the rules of the Order, and was met with resistance. The Jesuits appealed to Rome and he was removed and banished to a Monastery, to reflect. Then, in due course, he was reinstated. He tried his best to protect the Jesuits from the Military Junta in Argentina. However, on one occasion, he lost his temper when two of the Order did not obey his order to close down a workers’ cooperative (forbidden by the Junta) and, as soon as he made it known that they were outside the protection of the Order, the Junta arrested and tortured them until they agreed to close down the cooperative. He never forgave himself for this loss of temper, which caused such suffering to those under his care. He then decided to adopt a conciliatory attitude towards totalitarian regimes, particularly in Communist China. This has, of course, considerably weakened the position of the Church there. The official Church is only an arm of the Communist Party, who occasionally exert their authority by pulling down crucifixes and smashing statues. However, the Pope does not consider that it is for him to offer up the Catholics of China to the Government for torture or worse. Of course, some faithful Catholics in China have chosen that path for themselves. This desire not to offend, not to be the cause of suffering for the Faithful, has, very much, weakened the Pope’s position. He can no longer speak with any authority, since, an authoritative position will, almost inevitably, put the Church into conflict with one totalitarian regime or another. If he were to openly condemn Muslims, then Catholics in Muslim countries will be exposed to persecution. As to whether or not he has a real personal faith, I take the view “who am I do judge”. However, if he does, he manages to keep the fact very well hidden! Sadly, this policy of appeasement on the part of the Pope makes him unreliable as the successor to St. Peter. Even Cardinal Fernandez has found it necessary to protect him, by formally announcing that most of what the Pope says does not represent the teaching of the Church - it is only the Pope’s own personal views and opinions. While Cardinal Fernandez does invite Catholics to abandon the “Theology of Tradition” (otherwise known as the “Catholic Faith”) in favour of the new and improved “Theology of Francis” he does not go so far as to insist upon this - to do so would, finally, close the Catholic Church down. Currently, the Pope and Cardinal Fernandez do not, formally, deny the Catholic Faith - they acknowledge that it exists, but invite Catholics to abandon it, out of personal affection for the Pope. As far as I am concerned? No way, Jorge!

[@ref6122]

Francis , like all liberal/ modernist priests Ive had to listen to from the pews seems to have a hugh chip on his shoulder towards Catholicism.All other religions to them seem somehow more pure and just for some reason.Ive observed the same thing in the later writings of Thomas Merton,a bristling,barely concealed animosity.

[@kriswiwatowski4697]

Dear Gavin, Thank you for a very sensitive yet firm talk. Could I share some thoughts too? I have been living in Singapore for the last 8 years. My life long spiritual journey encompassing many decades and places was from atheism, through pantheism, polytheism, monotheism into Christianity ending up with Catholicism. In this sense I agree with Pope Francis that all ways lead to God, but... only to a certain point beyond which one has to look further. I have a Muslim friend, and we often talk. We agree that Islam and Christianity are incompatible and therefore one of them must be false. The "key-stone" of incompatibility is the person of Jesus Christ and the way to salvation through Him. I told him that apart from intellectual reasoning, intuitively I embrace Christianity even more because of caring and loving character of the Almighty Father so beautifully revealed in the life of Jesus Christ. However, I told my friend that I will never try to "convert" him to Christianity, because if he is genuine in his search for God, then God himself will show him the way. All comments are most welcome, as I am battling with this issue a little....

[@Mark3ABE]

You are quite right - entering into religious dialogue should not start with an outright condemnation of the position of the non Christian, or the non Catholic. All men are made in the image and likeness of God and all men have a natural desire to seek Him and to find Him. Genuine dialogue will, as you point out, inevitably lead to an explanation of the position of the Church - that there is no other name under Heaven by which we can be saved other than that of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Any discussion must conclude, for the Christian, with an explanation of the true teaching of the Church on this point. However, the position is not a simplistic one. The Patriarchs of the Old Covenant are in Heaven (Moses and Elijah appeared with Jesus at the Transfiguration) and yet they never “accepted Jesus as their personal Lord and Saviour” during their lifetimes (to use the Protestant formulation) nor were they baptised, make their first Holy Communion, confirmed, enter into a sacramental marriage or receive the Last Rites, to use the Catholic formulation. Then, the Church does teach that there will be those who are saved by righteousness of life (“Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you…etc?”). Then, we have the teaching of the Church on the doctrine of “invincible ignorance” which, long before the Second Vatican Council, offered the hope of salvation to those of good will and righteous life not formally, through any fault of their own, in full communion with the Catholic Church, or even a member of any Christian Church. It is necessary to consider all of the teachings found in the Sacred Scriptures and in the Tradition of the Church and not to simply adopt the “outside the [Latin Rite of the Western] Church there is no salvation” position. We do not believe that as Catholic Christians, at least in its strictest and most exclusive sense.

[@kriswiwatowski4697]

@@Mark3ABE Many thanks Mark. This is VERY helpful.

[@Antonia_D]

Many sincere, searching Muslims are receiving visions (often in dreams) of the Blessed Virgin Mary, who leads them to her Son, Jesus. Muslims look very favorably on our Blessed Mother (whose feast day we ceelbrate today, Our Lady of Sorrows). Ask him to pray that Mary will appear to him & lead him to the truth. May God bless and guide you, your friend, and all your loved ones!

[@kriswiwatowski4697]

@@Antonia_D Thank you 🙏

[@dr.davidhoward3179]

🙏🏻😇⛪❤️‍🔥👑🕯️🕊️

[@denisjackson8310]

Why are comments that are not in agreement with this video taken down so swiftly ? No free speech on here ❗️

[@Antonia_D]

It's not the channel, it's the KZbin algorithm, I think. Happens to me all the time on various channels, and it's WAY too fast for humans to have reviewed it. Use euphamisms if possible.

[@DrGAshenden]

I have not removed a single comment. It’s not our policy to remove comments that disagree- with the exceptions of ones that are ad hominem and deliberately personally offensive.

[@denisjackson8310]

@@DrGAshendenGavin I wish to apologise for calling you ‘a wolf in sheep’s clothing’ …you are clearly not a wolf . Sorry . Even tho I do find myself in disagreement with much of what you say . I was speaking inappropriately. 😇

[@rosezingleman5007]

As a grandmother, my grandchildren recognize me. It would be wrong to say to everyone who has a living grandmother that I’m the same as *their* grandmother.

[@tomichenreyo3127]

Awake laymen in Christ, clergies are going to fail our lord and God Jesus Christ, only way , true way to true God Almighty, so true layman in Christ to start a movement to witness, evangelise, re evangelise, God is Love, share the Love, preach the gospel of Love, love of the The Father Almighty God, sent son Jesus Christ to save the entire humanity, then the world is turning away,even the people who claimed to be sitting close God, time is up