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[@acdbrn2000]

33:05 I am disappointed in CGB for not saying “Does the card say you can’t?”. Only because he has been hit with that so much reviewing Yu-GI-Oh cards.

[@umpatte0]

I just came to post this same comment!

[@brendanguymer3885]

He says “it doesn’t say you can’t” on Cimo’s videos

[@budderk1305]

I was thinking the same thing, big miss, lmao

[@tommihalonen6471]

Maybe he's just the nicer person

[@sammydray5919]

​@@tommihalonen6471 Sir we are talking about a blue enjoyer here

[@chimpmasterflex]

Honestly, as long as Cimo actually understands what overrated and underrated mean, I think he wins by default.

[@vinceb8123]

😂 yeaaah that was kinda painful at some points

[@0NBalfa0]

Seeing rarran fail at english seemed extremely awkward.

[@tjloefflerjaetem]

Poor Rarran suffered for correctly identifying the best card too many times and saying it was overrated. Because he found the best card, he was wrong.

[@giantflyinghog3550]

In fairness, I think Rarran knew the difference, he just assumed that his initial reaction to the cards would have been the same as the MTG community, so he assumed the one that seemed like it would be better was actually bad due to context he didn't have.

[@moalboris239]

@@giantflyinghog3550 Yeah basically there is two ways to play this game. 1.) "The average MTG player is about as good as me at reading cards. So the best card is most likely overrated because it obviously is the best one." Or 2.) "The average MTG player has no idea what they are talking about compared to me. So the best card is most likely underrated because there is no way they'd figure this out."

[@Ariovisti]

The funny thing is that Cimooo and Rarran were both mostly spot on in their evaluations of the cards, but Cimooo was so much better at the meta game that it's unreal

[@rachasaur5]

cimo literally just a better word understander

[@wallywinker2438]

@@rachasaur5 better at pronunciation too

[@herrscherofshrimps1451]

@@rachasaur5 I guess you have to be good at that to comprehend modern ygo cards

[@Noobie2k7]

Ironic that the ygo player is the one better at understanding words. Because of the stereotype joke that no Yu-Gi-Oh player ever reads their cards.

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

​@@Noobie2k7yup, yup

[@chairwolf5446]

Cimo not getting baited by Tibalt because he's a Yu-gi-oh player and hasn't spent mana on anything in his life is kino

[@crab230]

My favorite detail is Cimo being the only one to correctly pronounce Umezawa's Jitte because he comes from a Japanese card game.

[@RyuuSeichi]

Well when we have cards like Bujintei Kagutsuchi, yes, it certainly comes up a bit x3

[@matthewpopow6647]

Cringing at me and my friends (age 12 and 13 at the time) calling it OOm-ways-us Jite. Mixture of Japanese and Dyslexia.

[@Marlonbc90]

Also, Cimo reads the name. In my own native language if you see a sequence of letters you pretty much know how to pronounce it, even if you have never seen the word and even if it is not a real word. I understand that in English things are not that simple, but you should at least start by looking at the sequence of letters, I often notice native English speakers just give up and change or invent syllables out of the blue, of course if you do that you are never going to get the word right

[@jamesaditya5254]

@@Marlonbc90 massive pet peeve of mine actually. Sometimes even rearranging the order of vowels if a word has more than a couple syllables

[@zacharyleonard9413]

It's possible he just knew the word too, it is real afterall.

[@theNightDice]

"There were 0 mana spells before, but they were generally low impact" feels like it needs a giant, black-lotus shaped asterisk with some moxen around it xD

[@matthewpopow6647]

6 of the Power Nine would like a word lol

[@SeleenShadowpaw]

i mean since they are banned to hedge and back, the impact actually isn't that big. In the last 25 years, very few games of magic actually have been impacted by a lotus or a moxen.

[@joaksannan551]

I bet you'd be shocked to know how little stock the average player put in the moxen back then, they were largely considered draft chaf by most people

[@Hyxtrem]

This guy is so smart about TCG, his reasoning on Force of Will was top notch, amazing performance, I'm really impressed. Congrats to our guest. Not a big deal for Umezawa's Jitte, it's a really dense card to evaluate. Thanks to both of you.

[@theoreticallyinsane5]

From a Yugioh perspective, it'd be a lot easier to evaluate Jitte if you were able to hone in on the fact that the -1/-1 can act as removal at quick speed, rather than just, "Yeah, this card lets you win combat." Cimo's definitely right in that combat typically doesn't matter for much in Yu-Gi-Oh, it's kind of just the phase that cleans up the board state, so getting a boost in combat is kind of pointless because you already use your Main Phase to set up favorable combat well before that point. It's also difficult to figure out how quickly the card can snowball, like, the Jitte seems really average for the 4 mana investment when it only has 2 or fewer counters, but if you can use a counter to get two counters while getting rid of something of your opponents, that's all plus and it just keeps going up from there.

[@Sinzari]

Cimo is way smarter than I initially thought, and I only realized that after watching him in his Progression series. The number of times he put his opponent on exactly the cards he had and played around them perfectly, with very little information to go off of, was insane.

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

@@Sinzari as far as moments like that goes, I think the biggest is the End of Year 2002 game 3 where after his opponent gets rid of the one monster/creature he can summon decides to describe how he could lose on his opponent's next turn(turn 3 overall in the game). Both of their decks are mostly focused around high attack monsters to try and get a kill as soon as possible with traps and spells to remove the opponents spells and traps as well as to protect their own cards from attack. He knows that his opponent is playing a version of the deck with a card that can double the attack of a card if you have lower life then your opponent. So he states that there is a 3 card combo that kills him that turn so he will play a defensive card that protects himself from being attacked as long as it's on the field. In a 30 card deck his opponent had exactly the cards needed to make that happen.

[@AdeenDragon]

@@U1TR4F0RCEgosh, that’s one of my favorite Yugioh clips, MBT played the villain so well there.

[@Gorbgorbenson]

Hearing, "Nadu is banned now," when he JUST got banned in commander is pretty funny.

[@PyckledNyk]

If a card is banned is commander, you know that card is broken beyond belief. Edit: sorry if you’re salty about Dockside and Mana Crypt being banned, but that’s TCGs for you lol RIP Bozos

[@dangottsacker2061]

​@@PyckledNykNot really.

[@malmasterson3890]

​@dangottsacker2061 Depends, but in this case it was very true.

[@AzureAiluren]

@@dangottsacker2061 if a card can get the committee off their asses and actually working, it's ABSOLUTELY busted

[@BussyConnoisseur]

​@@PyckledNyk it's case by case, in most instances of commander bans. It's generally there to stop "feels bad" gameplay interactions.

[@Inugamirukazu]

Petition for cgb to start using the cgb classification in this videos Crap Good Busted

[@vinceb8123]

Signed

[@E3Zen]

But he is the mesa falcon guy

[@toolittletoolate]

@@E3Zen He's the Mesa Falcon Guy and this Series would be "Crap Good Busted" Which is on-brand. When you do more then one series it's not strange to name them differently.

[@opposite342]

Mesa Falcon Guy Meh Fine Great

[@daninjamonkey1]

@@E3Zen middling fail good

[@whocares1417]

So I'm now watching a video where a YuGiOh player analyzes MTG cards. I don't play either of the games these 2 are from and yet I'm still going to watch this whole video. Thank you Rarran.

[@radivel1]

Cimo on Doomskar vs Divide by Zero: "You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me......"

[@supernova9361]

it was a real tonesetter for sure lmao

[@BlackJustice2637]

Great reference, btw. I need to rewatch this

[@judjementine]

cgb: you're trying to trick me into giving away something. it won't work.

[@kylepinpin3037]

Cimo: It has worked! You've given everything away! I know where the poison is!

[@Lemon_Sage9999]

You've fallen for one of the classic blunders!

[@Yog-shi]

I'm glad CGB and Cimo found eachother through the Rarran connection, really have enjoyed all the collabs, you two have a good chemistry regardless of which one of you is doing the card game powerpoint presentation

[@sproga_265]

Of these kinds of videos, CImo is my favorite analyst and CGB is easily my favorite presenter. This pairing is phenomenal. Even if Rarran isn't that good at evaluating cards, I've gotta thank him for starting this trend

[@Jigsawtwig]

I think Rarran does a fine job evaluating cards. His analysis of these pairs was spot on for the most part. He just struggled with the meta game aspect where you need to logically understand how these cards could be interpreted in different standard environments with reactionary behavior.

[@evertvanoverbeke1273]

To add to the story of 'nexus of fate' at some tournaments we were asked to play a proxy instead of nexus of fate because the foiling was so bad the card curled. there was only 1 version of this card so no other real replacement XD

[@TheJadeFist]

Maybe they need to do something about the card stock, also don't do double sided cards. Don't print cards that people can't legally play at tournament without a sleeve or proxy, just saying.

[@TheLuckySpades]

​@@TheJadeFist sets with double sided cards include blank proxy cards designed for people to write the card name, cost,... on so they can use those if their sleeves are translucent or don't play with sleeves After the incident with Nexus they learned their lesson and every card has a non-foil printing, the pringle-ing depends heavily on humidity conditions in production and where the card ends up

[@TheJadeFist]

@@TheLuckySpades Nothing was wrong with Kamigawa flip cards. Double sided are stupid. They are a physical nuisance. You have proxy or sleeve, and god forbid some one has a full werewolf deck and they might as well be playing with a completely different deck than the cards they use. or constantly pull them out of the sleeves, which is damaging to the cards. Also when you have cards with different card names, colors and cost on both sides, it becomes annoying to sort. Does any one actually like them?

[@TheJadeFist]

@@TheLuckySpades But I will say, I did notice some Bloomburrow had a slightly thicker card stock than before on the foils.

[@clayxros576]

​@TheJadeFist The issue with flip cards was in legibility rather than quality. You'd need to keep track of which way you tap them, which form they're in, and your opponent could very easily misread it due to the inactive side facing them. Yes it's fine and works, but there's a lot of "at a glance" problems the flips inherently can't overcome. The double face have far more quality issues than gameplay.

[@JoboTheBestEU]

Cimo's way of working through the logic puzzle of "If this was overhyped, why?" is fascinating and really puts his deep-thinking ability on show. Shame he plays a game where he can't use it because he lost the coin flip and went second.

[@tonyroot3047]

That's why he prefers older, slower formats

[@29Linkin09Park92]

😂

[@PlutopianSociety]

CGB is really good at building the narrative of the cards. The way he tells the story behind each card is done really well.

[@DexSybaris]

Idk if you saw their vids on cimos channel but cimo is also really good at it

[@TerryTheGod]

missed a prime opportunity to say "does it say you can only do it once per turn?" when he asked about jitte.

[@italianradio6148]

I love Cimooo and I love seeing y'all collab, Cimo is So freaking good at this :D

[@nitrocide1746]

He's not even our competitive dude, he plays mainly limited formats and his most recent series "Master Duel Masochist" is him using our online sim, which is usually a constructed format, with limited packs.

[@cerebralisk]

i think the thing about sheoldred is that it's one of the more 'boring' praetor effects, it's not super flashy

[@toolittletoolate]

Usually things that just consistent but not flashy end up being slept on and way better then expected, like Jitte. Or when people learnt Lands that also do things for mana are actually really good even if it cost a lot of mana. Creeping Tarpits being one of the first.

[@FirstLast-dh8ks]

I still look at the card and am surprised how strong it is when it's actually played. That 'must have ETB' mentality brain rot I guess. Punishing card draw for the opponent if they can't answer it is just so strong

[@hi-i-am-atan]

@@FirstLast-dh8ks in all fairness, it feels very much like a decent card that is contextually really great in standard, where it really _is_ kinda just a four mana do nothing ... but it's sticky enough just thanks to its raw attributes that there's not any good way to remove it, and it's gonna ping your opponent at least once as soon as you pass, and that fat booty is gonna put a clamp on any aggression they try to put out because most creatures will just ram into it and die for nothing, and if they _do_ swing with a big enough creature it's always gonna trade _if_ you decide to block, and all the while any attempt to find a solution is gonna set off its tax effect and just it's like, if you _could_ just reliably hit it for 5 or destroy it outright without much commitment, it prob would be just kinda mediocre. but it turns out, when you don't have access to enough cards that do that and you'd _want_ to run, yeah, sometimes a big creature that can kill you by just sitting there for a while _will_ just stick on the board and be an absolute menace

[@adamgalloy9371]

​@@hi-i-am-atan Naw, Shelly is good in basically every non-rotating format as well. Either seeing significant play or at least being in the conversation for every one I have familiarity with. Turns out the card is just great. 5 toughness is a pretty big ask even when the card pool is deeper, and the effect punishes/synergizes with a lot of important stuff in eternal formats (Orcish Bowmasters, The One Ring, Brainstorm, etc.).

[@goldslimetps1245]

​@@adamgalloy9371yea necrodominance and the one ring play a huge part in it Also great in cubes that have a bunch of draw 7 effects It has significantly fallen off in current standard compared to how dominant it was before though

[@akodotain]

I think cursed scroll needs to be discussed in terms of how badly hosed mono colour decks were by "protection from " and "w: prevent all damage by source".

[@clayxros576]

I think most people forget "Protection from [color]" was as common as it was. I mean, in talking about pre 2000s MTG most people forget Richard Garfield intended this game to be in the same vein as Cards Against Humanity. The difference in design target and player base was massive for these crazy stories and staples, purely because the game was just recklessly designed for a long time. In that environment it's no wonder obvious packfiller rose to the top, for no other reason than it slipped through the glaring bad balance.

[@jeluenhayo2410]

I like how CGB and Cimo looks like a duo from a high-school sitcom, where CGB is a jock and Cimo is a bit on a nerdy side, but they are good friends and hang out together and try to learn each others' world. And Rarran is a third friend who is normal and acts as a voice of reason when those two go on highjinx together.

[@InsolentCrow]

I said it on the Rarran video and I'll say it again. The fact that so many people were hyped for Savage Knuckleblade when Siege Rhino was in the same pack is still insane to this day.

[@Amazementss]

Maybe when Polukranos rotates™

[@Harakanis]

I mean, the rhino is a super boring card compared to the knuckle blade, it does a lot of stuff and makes combat potentially really hard for the opponent The problem is it's super mana intensive, while the rhino is boring AND the most efficient thing to do at the same time

[@Datharian]

I think that part of it was that RGx monster was a good deck pre rotation and a lot of people (me included) thought this would be best friends with Polukranos and Strormbreath Dragon

[@peterd616]

I don't think it's that insane. Back in the day, the prevailing wisdom (although it had already changed at pro level, it had not really filtered down to the masses) was that large creatures that died to 1 for 1 removal were generally bad. "Dies to doom blade" was a joke, but only sort of, that kind of thinking was still extremely prevalent. On top of that, it was a sort of consensus that life totals don't really matter (you still hear stuff like "the only point that matters is the last" and "life total is a resource" etc.) Both of those primed the magic community to seriously underrate the rhino. In this context rhino gets evaluated as "4/5 trample for 4, but hard to cast" which is clearly not a standard playable card, while knuckleblade by those same metrics looks really good (you can't kill it, I can just bounce it! And then I can play it with haste the next turn!) I honestly think Siege Rhino's success (buoyed by just how potent that drain 3 had been as part of the strength of the card) is part of what pushed the average player to refine their card analysis. Although, Sheoldred came around, and people made basically the same evaluation mistake, so idk maybe it's not yet any better.

[@clayxros576]

​@@peterd616 I think it's the life drain mental block. They see "gain life" and forget the drain, so completely miss they're basically dealing damage with upside. Siege Rhino was definitely something ignored purely because of the life gain. A curse that probably arose cause WOtC valued lifegain for no reason for so long, and the players had to overcorrect for years in response.

[@598019001]

Honestly, Sometimes its easy to forget that Cimoo is a card game monster, He is doing so great at this.

[@KrakenWall]

I love these mirrored episodes, its great seeing 2 different content creators talking threw the same cards and how their evaluations differed.

[@Faude18]

Yu Gi Oh doesn't have buy-a-box cards, but it did have cards only printed for video games, cards only printed for tournament boosters and tin boxes with special cards. Mechnical Chaser, the 1850 ATK 4 star and strongest 4 star creature at the time, was only in the tournament booster.

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

Crush Card Virus, the insta-win trap card that was only a prize card... Wins were stolen buy the credit card

[@zephyrionz]

Don't forget Morphing Jar l, TP3

[@harelbar3513]

Don't forget Shonen Jump promos (Which are not legal in Europe) and McDonalds Promos!

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@harelbar3513 I still remember the Victory Dragon that I'm pretty sure was banned before it was ever legal to play.

[@OsvaldoChannel1]

A note about Sheoldred: yes it dies to removal. But you know what color has the best removal? Black. And Sheoldred is a black card. So the color that had the best answers also had access to the best Threat. So Black Midrange piles ended up dominating the format.

[@laytonjr6601]

It's funny because in eternal formats white has the best removal and not black

[@moalboris239]

I always love the "Dies to removal." Argument. I remember reading paragraphs on how Sheoldred just dies to removal so it won't be good. Only for those exact same people to write paragraphs later on on how Nadu dies to removal so Nadu is going to be a sucky meme card. I can only assume when Wizards powercreeps out Nadu they'll still be writing that it just dies to removal so it isn't a real card.

[@laytonjr6601]

@@moalboris239 any removal against Nadu draws the Nadu player a card (unless it's an edict or a board wipe)

[@2424Lars]

I remember Black decks at some point playing the perfect curve of Evolved Sleeper into Tenacious Underdog into Graveyard Trespasser/Gix and then Sheoldred, followed up by all the best removal

[@moalboris239]

@@laytonjr6601 Yeah but if you brought that up you'd get paragraphs on how that doesn't matter all that much and how everyone is overrating a meme card.

[@LetheHevn]

Remember that Tarmogoyf was the first card with the 2 new card types (tribal and planeswalker) written in the rules text. People thought it was binder-fodder because those types weren't out yet and a publicity stunt for Wizards (so there was no way it could be any good.. right? right?!)

[@LightningStryke27]

Bound in Silence was a Tribal enchantment from the same set. But I guess it didn't have it in the rules text.

[@Amascut]

Also CGB called the newest type “Invasions” in the list he gave Cimo, but they’re called Battles!

[@mawillix2018]

Same mistake in the Rarran video.

[@randommaster06]

Cimo understood the assignment way better than Raran. Although Raran is much funnier to watch freak out while trying to make a decision.

[@alchemicpink2392]

53:15 I love that Cimoooooooo is just so terminally Yu-Gi-Oh! brained that the stats + flying thing just really takes its time to sink in.

[@ultimateplaneswalke]

This being released on the same day nadu got banned again is pretty ironic

[@SmashPortal]

*coincidental

[@MrMeltJr]

About Nexus... it wasn't the first unique BaB promo. The set before had Firesong and Sunspeaker, and there was a big backlash about potentially good cards only being obtained as special promos. WotC assured us that they wouldn't print competitive cards for such promos, only casual stuff. Firesong and Sunspeaker were pretty mediocre, so I think that had something to do with perception that Nexus would also be EDH jank. So it wasn't that the community just assumed they wouldn't print tournament-level cards as promos, it's that they specifically told us they wouldn't and then almost immediately fucked up and did anyway lmao

[@DrDrao]

46:17 In yugioh, you're not allowed to play a card that searches on activation if you don't have a search target(no failing to find). The spell that gave the opponent a field spell, set rotation (yes, that's the name) also prevented you from activating field spells over face down field spells. The spell you gave them was usually gateway to chaos, which searched for bls rituals or gaia knight cards. Thus, if you gave them that with set rotation, they were now unable to play any field spells. However, if you play a gaia knight card in your deck, not only could you get around this lock, it also gives you a +1.

[@kaelinvictus6039]

CGB using Rarran as a counterspell is just so meta 😁

[@w00ty32]

You should show him some manaless dredge cards, I've always heard of that deck described as "basically a yugioh deck"

[@lostalone9320]

It is kinda is, except that in YGO it there wouldn't be good hate.

[@w00ty32]

@@lostalone9320 so what you're saying is we should actually show him some of the random sideboard graveyard hate magic's got then? Would Grafdigger's Cage be the best Yugioh card ever?

[@silentCee]

​@@w00ty32"would these MTG cards break (x) card game" would be interesting to watch.

[@uhububo]

​@@w00ty32 It already kind of exists in Yu-Gi-Oh, as a card called Necrovalley that usually only sees play in very specific anti-meta graveyard hate strategies, or the sideboard. And even then there are better cards that do something similar, for example banish (exile) anything that would go to the graveyard. A card like that, Dimension Shifter, currently sees play.

[@popeks8680]

@@lostalone9320 Nah, look up Dimension Shifter, Macro Cosmos, Dimensional Fissure or Soul Drain. There is plenty hate on graveyard decks in Yugioh. Also you can look up tearlements in Yugioh which is our version of dredge (currently), there were other similar archetypes which were good in the past but have generally been powercrept since.

[@hyaena23]

That's our boy!! Love the Rarran Slander ❤

[@PaintingDadly]

"You have to give everything haste to make it good" shouldve retorted with "and you have to make everything free to make it playable"

[@CorinofArchenland]

Except everything is ALREADY free. It started there. Haste has to be added.

[@noobknights]

Dude, Cimoooooooo is incredible at card evaluation

[@SpecterVonBaren]

Compared to CGB and Rarran, he's much better at keeping his cool when out of his element.

[@mamonzote]

Yea cimo is a genius, his videos are always very analytical and fun

[@jamesaditya5254]

@@SpecterVonBaren yeah especially during the Jitte vs Trophy round by excluding Jitte entirely since he's unfamiliar with how the equipment mechanic works in magic

[@vitorluiz7538]

On the other end, I enjoyed when Cimo had Luis Scott-Vargas on his channel to rate YGO cards. LSV's analysis was so on-point.

[@ab2aasd]

Cimo potentially undervaluing a bounce effect was funny when Compulsory Evacuation Device was limited for almost a decade

[@DTrain5742]

Umezawa’s Jitte is in the running for the best limited card ever printed. It basically makes combat impossible for your opponent. I always like to tell the story about how I picked it over a Mox in powered cube and I’m 100% sure it was the right pick.

[@theadjectiveform8874]

The underrated/overrated format is probably the best way I've seen so far of doing this kind of video. I usually enjoy them in any case, but I sometimes get frustrated sometimes with "[Card game 1 person] evaluates cards from [Card game 2]" videos that I watch. It should be that the evaluator is using their knowledge of concepts like "card advantage", "consistency", and "curving out" to try to figure out how good a card is, and it's entertaining to hear the thought process whether they end up right or wrong. But sometimes it turns out to be "the format this card existed in made it good/bad" or something like that, which always strikes me as a letdown, like seeing someone be cheated out of a win. Doing comparisons "is card A or card B better?" can fix that, and "underrated/overrated" I think is even better.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

Yup! Trying to guess if something was banned is actually pretty arbitrary. Because broken cards become timeless iconic staples despite being problematic and other cards which have generally underwhelming effects, like leyline of resonance have to be removed because of their incredible synergy with a certain exploding mouse.

[@MrDevilRays]

Kinda Funny that the day this video released for non-members was the day Nadu got banned in Commander, and Cimo started off with talk about Nadu being banned in Modern.

[@fwant2729]

I'm here from Cimos channel and now I'm a CGB subscriber. love these videos and hope you guys keep collabing. you're a great guest on his channel and he's great on yours!

[@Boethion]

Been getting into Master Duels for funsies and I would love a mini-series of CGB playing through the Solo missions as they are a good tutorial of the basic game mechanics but then unlock further deck spotlights and how they work all while you first get a practice match and then have to beat the AI with the deck yourself. I know Duskmourn is around the corner, but it might be a fun thing to try out at some point :D

[@TravisBrandt-g1z]

Cimmoooo has such a good head on his shoulders. Holy cow. Like the final review really drilled it in

[@misunderstoodmadman6230]

Damn, cimo is really smart. Would like to follow him having a run in magic

[@waves5249]

If CGB is willing to read a lot, I could see Cimo doing the same for Yu-Gi-Oh but for archetypes instead. There has been so many archetypes that have been overvalued and were fine, and those that wasn't looked at initially and became meta threat; Adamancipator vs Eldlich or Runick vs Floowandereeze immediately comes to mind

[@9cai_F]

That is a pretty cool idea. I think the context of archetype as a whole is much more important than single card value. But maybe a little too much reading.

[@waves5249]

@@9cai_F I imagine it being 3 rounds with 5 cards each archetype. It's kinda hard to boil down what an archetype wants to do with less than 5 cards, and some even being impossible to at 10. Most of the cards printed now only exist within the archetype and useless outside it, so eventually Cimo's gonna have to show him archetype specific cards.

[@jamesaditya5254]

@@waves5249 yeah another channel TheOneJame did a few of these, too bad he's mainly catering to channel members/patrons now instead of having better-known guests. 5 cards per archetype did prove to be insufficient in some cases. Context (especially release date for each card) is also important since most guests on that iteration of the show would misjudge the power level of an archetype because most of the good supports are printed way later when everything else are already doing better stuff

[@oscarguzman3017]

Cimo is hella smart. I had no idea.

[@Thaidory]

"Misery. Inadequacy. Failure. The common denominator is you." - Divide by Zero flavour text hits hard.

[@61locdog]

I think rarrans problem was he was basing his answers to much off of his evaluations of the cards and not how the community would react to them because he did value the cards pretty well just didn’t understand why he was picking which one lol

[@irishenryirons3950]

i love how when cimo's competing with rarran he's like "i gotta clap that white boy" but when he's competing with cgb he's like [capybara spinning around with an orange on its head dot gif]

[@SmashPortal]

Nexus of Fate was also only available in foil, at a time when foils were curling egregiously. This meant pro players had proxies in their decks (even just a Mountain with Nexus of Fate Sharpie'd on).

[@fernandobanda5734]

They still curl, right?

[@SmashPortal]

@@fernandobanda5734 Yes, though they've improved over the last couple years.

[@christopherfu2169]

Mascot Exhibition is such a flavour fail. Too add context, this card came from a set called strixhaven, school of mages. Strixhaven is a school divided into 5 colleges, each representing a different enemy color combination, the two not on mascot exhibition are blue/green and black/green. Each college was associated with a creature token, the two missing being a 1/1 that gave you a life when it died and an x/x that had various ways to determine its power called a fractal, fitting for a collage of math wizards. So yes, the card showing the mascots is missing two mascots.

[@gryllodea]

I never played Magic but, having played the Strixhaven dnd module, it's so cool to recognise the lore behind cards like that! I guessed all the faculties based on mascots, FeelsSatisfyingMan

[@LuciferLuckless]

I guess the math nerds and the stoners just weren't interested in showing up to the big exhibition =[

[@DoctorWhoBlue]

They probably didn't want to increase the complexity of the card. There's already three unique tokens, and adding the Pest and Fractal would be another sentence or two's worth.

[@LightningStryke27]

Rosewater addressed this, actually. It would have been too powerful for the cost (and I don't think they would have gone higher cost for a lesson), and it would have been too much text. Pests and fractals are the only tokens that required extra text.

[@christopherfu2169]

@@LightningStryke27 From a Power level perspective it makes perfect sense to not create all 5 tokens, I‘m not debating that. I just pointed out the flavour issue.

[@godfreyofbouillon966]

I love how hard this guy tries and puts his heart into it. Please bring him more often ;)

[@Obmelg]

it seems that Cimo actually understands what overrated and underrated means so he automatically wins, sorry Rarran

[@bluep1z]

i love how much cimo puts in the effort and really thinks it through

[@hennyboy4766]

God I hope you Cimo and Rarran never stop doing these.

[@nickjoseph77]

I love that you three have this friendly competition going. I've got to watch every video where you guys go on each other's channels!

[@JohnDoe-oc4rk]

Rarran, don't read this Cimoo is so much better at pronouncing these card names, thank god

[@dougcarey2233]

I love this because I know the answers, but watching someone apply logic to figure it out is fascinating.

[@xjesh868]

This is such an evil format. If I look at a card and think it’s good, I question if I am overrating it.

[@lostalone9320]

Really the only way to know for sure is to know the format. A card that's like UU draw two, could be busted or could be awful, depending on if Blue is worth playing.

[@SoFishtry]

Big fan of Cimo's reaction to Ornithopter.

[@SilverAlex92]

Cimoooo reading Nexus of Fate:"... oh god you and your extra turns effects.... 'and shuffle it into its owner library'... that.. that just doesnt sounds right..." Hahahahahahahahahahaha, we all felt like that when we saw it shuffles itself. Most recent extra turn banish themselves after resolving because they DONT want you too loop those.

[@erfarkrasnobay]

As Gate-nexus player I should point that Nexus of Fate was busted because it was instant speed extra turn. So you can play with Reclamation or just another nexus to plyay it around opponent's counterspell. Also Azcanta was legal in standard so, that was very fun interaction

[@Lordche]

I love alle the collabs between differnt games. I started to wach Rarran videos. And I do not play any other game than magic xD

[@Rallylabs]

Cimo seems like he’d be the kind of magic player to play a 2nd island, think for 5 mins, then pass the turn.

[@steveshin820]

I'd be the type of player shuffling the cards around in my hand for a couple minutes, look straight into my opponents face, ask "cards in hand?" then finally make a move and drop a land. On the first turn.

[@U1TR4F0RCE]

His channel for the last few years has mostly been a gameplay channel and he and his cohosts have talked about how there's a lot of dead air that they edit around where they might spend 10 minutes to play a turn that's 30 seconds in the video.

[@Ollig999]

He does the equivalent of that in ygo constantly lmao

[@d.j.8059]

Sounds like modern poker players that take 30 seconds to fold their 9-3 offsuit.

[@titanofyoutube4834]

He does that, but funnily enough, it often works out. Though there are also quite a few memes about him holding game winning cards forever because he mind games himself out of playing them.

[@germanelkapo1]

Assassin's Trophy in Yu-Gi-Oh!, though the closes we have is Dark Bribe (and that card is infinitely better), would be equivalent to "negate the effect or activation of, and/or destroy, a card your opponent controls, except a token, then your opponent draws and reveals 1 card, they place it on the top of their deck at the end of your turn. For the rest of the duel after this effect resolves, your opponent draws 1 extra card on their draw phase. If your second turn has started, you can activate this card from your hand." Consider that duels don't end on 2/3 turns in magic, so assume it would be released on an older, slower format. And the singular draw is because the land doesn't enter tapped, so they can use thay mana immediately if it's their turn (instant, flash, creature effects, face-down summoning)

[@nachomanrandy]

Desecration Demon being this undersung rug that ties the deck together at a 4 mana cost is the reason Why yugioh would benefit from an alternative for at where creature slugging and resources chipping is important. I know a lot of people play yugioh because it is so diferent than other card games, but a New alternative format would be cool. New productos, New life, New metas. I can see people going crazy for it like magic players did with commander.

[@unaffectedbycardeffects9152]

Rush Duel is printing money in Japan

[@floflo1645]

​@@unaffectedbycardeffects9152 rush duel card sounds very boring to me. Most of the cards I have seen read "mill some cards and gain some attack". I think rush duels sells because of the anime and the art, not because it is a format as fun as regular ygo. I legit think I would prefer going back to synchro era than playing rush due. If I am wrong unlighten me

[@duskbrood1]

It's probably been mentioned already, but invasion is actually battle. Doesn't change anything as a card type was simply misnamed , the number of card types mentioned were still relevant for the evaluation of Tarmogoyf.

[@robertandson7919]

Yugioh has definitely had some weird card releases like Nexus of Fate. Anyone remember Shonen Jump promos?

[@RenanTheBoss21]

Oh its gonna be fun to compare this with the one with Rarran! And see who did best

[@sammydray5919]

I am gonna guess Rarran did better lol

[@9cai_F]

Well, their total score combined gets to 100% win rate.

[@jamesaditya5254]

@@sammydray5919 surprising you say that when Rarran only got 2 correct lol

[@sammydray5919]

@@jamesaditya5254 I may have not watched that video yet...... Yeah I have no excuse thats just a oof on my part lmao

[@jamesaditya5254]

@@sammydray5919 aw my bad for spoiling the scores, I thought that was just a knock on Cimo but he did really well.

[@noobknights]

Magic cards look awesome because the subjects in the art have actual settings behind them. YGO monsters, on the other hand, are apparently all hanging out just floating in the shadow realm

[@nitrocide1746]

Actually, many YGO cards do have interconnected lore, but we don't have enough room for flavor text. Many of our spell and trap cards have "event" illustration that happen in lore, but the archetypes and decks with story are usually posted outside of the game. Fallen of Albaz lore, Visas Starfrost lore and the interconnected hell of Duel Terminal are some of the highlights. But yeah, the older cards are dude-guy-mans floating around in the aether.

[@wickederebus]

Spoken like someone who hasn't seen a Dragonmaid card

[@alex222333ful]

True for a bunch of monsters but also untrue for many. If you want something to look up then for example the Kaiju monsters. Also lots of spells are yu gi oh's way of telling stories, where they depict characters doing stuff. And lastly the Anime is there to fill in a lot of the gaps and suddenly a monster that is just hanging out can evoke traits of the character that it brings images of cool settings from the show to mind.

[@JinSolknight]

Hey the shadow realm is cool and vaguely purple

[@lostalone9320]

In Magic, at least until recently, the real attraction was that the planes felt like part of a story. Not so much since we lost Blocks.

[@rubencp93]

Somewhere in his rural home, Tekking101 is incredibly happy and proud of Cimo's rant/tangent during the Doomskar/Divide pair. XD

[@Barraind.Faylestar]

Cimo has some great analysis. Even his wrong guess had the correct logic as to why Assassins Trophy could have gone either way.

[@plaxy100]

Cimo making the exact same mistake many made for magic on him, Lets make a sheoldred a yugioh card, 4star Creature while face up Opponent loses 1000 life for each card he draws , you gain 1000 life for each card you draw. If a creature engages in combat withy sheoldred it is destroyed 2000atk/ 2500 def

[@Inugamirukazu]

I think she would be a 6☆ actually But yeah

[@edwardjones7583]

They probably just put four star because sheoldred costs 4

[@TuffLP]

the only way this would be played in Yugioh would be in goofy FTKs which make the opponent draw 8 cards or in Stun decks as the 5th best normal summon. Would not be an awful card though.

[@ilyafoskin]

Definitely a 5/6 star monster to require a tribute. A mana value of 3 is what I would expect the rough translation into 4 star monsters to be. Although in modern Yugioh they would have to put some Cyber Dragon type special summon effect on it to make it playable. Maybe if the opponent has 2000 or more LP than you, it can be special summoned

[@gabrielsalahi3656]

Those stats are way too high unless you meant to make it a Rank4 Monster which…maybe you did

[@Krokodilius]

speaking of cool keywords i recently started playing magic arena and love the Lore word. i have a red haste deck where i can drop 6 free cards and win on a turn...now that is some yugioh.

[@JonaxII]

The assessment of Assasstrophy was very yugioh, as in: spot on from the view of the most yugioh like magic decks, like combo decks in legacy or cedh. If you're winning immediately and just need that hatepiece removed, no matter if it's a land, creature, Enchantment.... You really don't care about ramping them. But for more combat and curve oriented formats like standard, pioneer, or even modern... Yeah no.

[@wotmaniac22]

I like that Cimo nailed the logic on Jitte becoming good, just stacking up charge counters and saving it.

[@JAN0L]

Sheoldred in Yugioh would be used for some gimmicky OTK with Card Destruction and similar effects.

[@TheJadeFist]

Oddly enough, this video gives me a fun idea for Tibalt.With cards like the Cursed Scroll, discarding won't be so bad if you got burn on the board already. Maybe try to dump your hand and burn down anything that stares at Tibalt... no nevermind then he'll have nothing to steal... there must be a way to make him work lol. The double red makes him harder to play in multi color on curve, like with white or blue to protect him. If you had a bunch of flash back cards or madness cards that discard wouldn't be so bad, unless he discards a land in which case you kinda screwed yourself lol. He's so easy to kill, and in red, the way to defend him is to kill the creatures, that he would want to steal, and you discard at random. It's hard to craft around how self sabotaging he is in every single way. Forget it, I had no good ideas here.

[@Doombacon]

Sheoldred has a similar effect to the monster cards in the 'Trickstar' archetype in yugioh which are jpop idols who are fairies so now I just want to see Sheoldred in an idol costume.

[@isidoreaerys8745]

I’m sure sheoldred would light up the stage. She must be a great dancer. Afterall she has so many legs.

[@Alea_Rasa]

Cimo does well though, if long-winded, analysis. Rarran makes funny noises. Not sure which collab I prefer 😅😂

[@m0002856]

Hearing that Divide By Zero was played in a control/aggro hybrid sort of deck makes so much sense why it was banned. I’m thinking of Rogue in Hearthstone with Sap which was a 2 mana card that returned a creature to your opponent’s hand. That card would have just been absolutely busted if you could slot it into Hunter, but Rogue decks never really got as much aggro as Hunter. They had cards that were just less good at going face than Hunter, so Sap wasn’t as game changing. Like… you weren’t usually going to be down to half health on turn 5 against Rogue when they sap your taunt minion and kill you, but a Hunter could absolutely get you that low and kill you on turn 5 if you didn’t have a taunt minion on the board and all the control tools in the world on turns 1-4. And I’m talking ALL the control tools. Self healing, board wipes, other taunt minions with big butts. Even then you’d still just die sometimes. So if I could play that shit in a red deck?! Oh lawd, he killing me quickly after he saps my big guy back to my hand.

[@MrMarnel]

1:26:00 Yugioh plays kinda like cEDH. You gotta be able to threaten a win by turn 3-4 or lock up the game with stax. Turn count is very low but game action count is very high so the actual match duration is comparable to other card games.

[@aaronbredon2948]

Divide by zero can also bounce one of your own cards that gets countered or has a useful "on entering the battlefield” trigger. And Nexus of Fate basically destroys mill decks. You don’t even need to cast it, just have a way to discard one, and as long as it goes to the graveyard, you will always have a card to draw.

[@Shadow1patin]

Nexus of Fate is an instant. This is what made it broken with other cards in the format. There are almost no instant speed take an extra turn. Made it hard to evaluate for so many reasons.

[@j-plarouche9959]

idk how i fell in those video I don't even touched a CCG in a decade but I find that you both have great chemistry and its really interresting discussion

[@Colision90]

Super impressed with Cimoo overall but even more so with the reasoning on the last pairing. Perhaps it's time to convert to MTG, master duelist 😂

[@Dhips.]

Every time they say "It's free" I think of that Robbie Rotten bit with the free ice cream.

[@buddabudda]

56:29 - "... and recovering from being on the back foot." -Gary pokes his head into frame.

[@ForeverLaxx]

The card I immediately thought of as well.

[@ARMRStudios]

Assassin's Trophy has been such a fun card against opponents that are Mana Flooded. Made a friend scoop on me once cause of that.

[@Jigsawtwig]

Trophy isn't a terrible card, it's just not a premium removal spell like people thought it would be. It's a 1-2 of or a sideboard card against specific matchups.

[@GunnarWahl]

Desiccator demon reminds me of brow beat, people would say that card was bad because the opponent got to chose which effect to use, but it wasn’t a choice really, it did 5 damage until the opponent was forced to allow you to draw 3 cards. And in a burn deck, you loved a cheep lava axe or an insane draw 3. It killed them, or really killed them.

[@Yammenkow]

Impressed at Cimo's flawless pronunciation of Umezawa's Jitte first try at 32:23, then remembered he's a Yu-Gi-Oh player 😂

[@Senen33]

32:23 : Of course the Yu-gi Oh player will pronounce the japanese name correctly. I fear the day of a Rarran vs Cimo Kanagawa review.

[@crss29]

CGB only interferes to bait. He might even be considered a master baiter.

[@alianrobles7635]

What I think is strange that no-one explained why Jitte was so oppressive back in the day. Damage went on the stack!

[@85mcarnold]

1:33:35 yep, the free spells before were pretty low impact. Like Black Lotus or Mox Sapphire.

[@Supercris25]

It's so incredibly funny how these 2 people that didn't do collabs before , are not only doing videos together now, but "friendly dunking" on Rarran too for doing worse at evaluating. The Rarran cinematic universe is truly a marvel.

[@TheJadeFist]

Umezawa's Jitte, also came out right after the mirrodin block that had a few ways to add charge counters to things. So if you really wanted to, you didn't have to solely rely on the combat damage to get the charge counters. edit: And Nowdays, Proliferate is a thing if you want to keep the counters flowing, as well as ways to double counters on target permanent.

[@seansuprem]

Its funny watching these videos as someone who only plays commander. Makes me realise how different card evaluation is between 4 player and 2 player

[@MinoGozzo]

maybe it was because I was 10, maybe it was because I'm in a different country but I remember having a different experience with Force of Will. I remember FoW not being particularly liked in brazilian playground. I actually remember trading a balduvian horde (the new juzan djinn!) for like 3 FoW and a couple of commons