Hey, Goblin Alchi from WC3! - Grubby learns Dota 2 - A to Z Challenge

[@Nom302HOK]

This new series really makes me watch grubbys vids even more

[@FollowGrubby]

That's the spirit! :D

[@toddsiena]

Been waiting so long for this!

[@help6732]

@@FollowGrubby is dis patch 7.32 game or no?

[@azy3929]

What's the main game of grubby?

[@mistersir]

Couldn't agree more!!

[@ИгорьЕрмаков-г2э]

All I can say is don't give up on dota please this content is peak. Also don't judge heroes that seems to be useless even if you recognize that you don't have enough expirience to play them well, some heroes just can't win against some other heroes, it feel expecially true because of the A-Z chalenge and lack of knowing of matchups.

[@pluckyleon6640]

This, don't judge Dota 2 from WC3 or even Dota 1 perspective, it will be very confusing. Take it as a totally new and different game and approach it from fresh 0 knowledge mindset. Then it will be so easy to learn and not develop misconceptions.

[@GamingDualities]

he should try SMITE

[@persevyr2803]

but what if grubby doesn't like dota, and the pressure from his followers keep pushing him to play?

[@attention_shopping]

@@persevyr2803 it's fun as long as it's new. once he learns the game somewhat fully i'm sure he'll decided for himself

[@pluckyleon6640]

@@persevyr2803 He shouldn't do what he doesn't like, simple as that.

[@GoonManGuy]

In Dota, there's a question you always have to be asking yourself, "what can I be doing, right now, to make gold?" I don't think there's a hero where that question is more important than Alchemist. Since his early game is so weak, he wants his lane to be as close to his tower as possible, without the tower killing the creeps. Something that safe laners (bottom lane Radiant/top lane Dire) can do to control how much their lane pushes is pull the easy camp (the camp closest to the lane) into the creep wave as it walks to lane. This is done by just attacking the camp and dragging it into the wave as it approaches. Usually, the lane creeps will easily clear the easy camp, so an extension of this can be done by then pulling the nearby hard camp to the easy camp as the creeps finish clearing. This is a bread and butter technique for safe laners, since you can use it to deny an entire wave's worth of gold and xp to the enemy off laners. If the lane is just gonna push, no matter what, though, Alchemist can use Acid Spray to hard shove the wave into the enemy tower to reset the lane. Another technique for minor lane manipulation is creep aggro. Lane creeps are very protective of their team's heroes and will rush to defend their honor at the slightest hint of aggression. This means laners can manipulate the wave to a safer state by ordering an attack on an enemy hero. Any hero. Anywhere on the map. If a hero top right clicks an enemy hero in the bottom lane, the creeps in the top lane will still treat this as an act of aggression and move to attack. This is useful because it pulls the enemy melee creeps behind the allied melee creeps so whichever hero is farming doesn't have to walk up as far to last hit. I also don't think I can talk about Alchemist without talking about stacking. Nobody farms like Alchemist. Acid Spray placed properly can allow him to double farm camps, so he benefits from stacking them, immensely. By default, pressing ALT will allow you to see the spawn boxes for jungle camps. To stack a camp, the jungle creeps inside the box have to be outside the box when a new minute rolls around. An unstacked camp should be pulled around 53 - 54 seconds to the minute, depending on the neutral creeps spawned, to successfully stack them. The more stacks of a camp the earlier it has to be pulled.

[@aleksandrrudakov268]

So underrated comment and so usefull for beginners.

[@Gabrielbarsch]

you're really getting the hand of it keep it up

[@GoodOlKuro]

it's the famous bean face guy.

[@赴大家惡化不得好死時]

Where there is DotA content, there is Gabriel Barsch

[@赴大家惡化不得好死時]

👍

[@chrisg8989]

"Ready to brew!" "Care for a cocktail?" "I'll get that mixed up." "Bob and weave, you fool!"

[@yoshrichgarbosa7734]

A little tip Grubster you can press alt while you hover on an ability and it shows an extra tooltip! Could probly help ya!

[@FollowGrubby]

Great tip, thanks, will keep that in mind!

[@AndroidWizard]

Good tip!

[@imDizee]

im excited to see the progress that you will make in this game

[@tranquero]

Grubby getting the real hardcore dota 2 beginner's experience: learning DOTA 2 while streaming and getting the chaotic chat's help. Not implying it's bad tips, just that it's a tip bombardment !

[@meodrac]

There's a lot of people of dubious skill in chat though. Also, often even the best advice gets lost out of context like in the case of the radiance item purchase, chat tells him that he shouldn't have bought talisman first but without context grubby thought they meant to build a different item altogether. For the time being, I think grubby should have a friend handy that can jump in and out to explain things briefly and clearly.

[@sniperdubey]

Rather than just immediately jumping into the game after demoing the hero. Ask the chat what you should generally aim to do when playing and then focus on trying to do that.

[@attention_shopping]

+1

[@stl0223]

Hey Grubby Nice to see u play dota! Ive known u for like 10 years cuz Moon is from my country and i liked playing warcraft. Keep up the DOTA!

[@MeatMonsterMan]

It's fun watching Grubby learn Dota 2, even if pro in other games, everyone starts somewhere, fun to see him just enjoying learning regardless of others potentially not being so patient :^)

[@AndroidWizard]

This is really one of the best things thats happened in a really long time, every time i seee these i have to watch them lol.

[@ogjoepat]

Wait till Grubby reaches Arc Warden

[@nektarsolne4niy804]

Good that you’re learning what heroes do so that later you can recognize that stuff. Keep it up, man. The skill to critically analyze the game will get you very far as soon as you get the basics, can’t wait to see the progress!

[@HannesUebelacker]

yeah, it's hard to resist the screaming. "hit a damn last hit even by chance please", "you got saved by your team and just ran, look on the fucking map!" xD

[@robbevanooteghem7429]

May i suggest you switch between strength agility and intelligence heroes during your a-z challenge. All of them have a different playstyle and since you will rapidly improve you will be a totally different player by the time you get to the intelligence heroes.

[@paulosantana9607]

I think just following the a-z order already gives a nice spread between these groups

[@robbevanooteghem7429]

@@paulosantana9607 yea but back then i didn’t realise he was going true a-z since the first few heroes where all strength heroes 🤷‍♂️

[@dond2807]

I loooove this new series. Can’t w8 for the following videos!!

[@ItsARCHIEftw]

I'm loving the series, although sometimes I'm screaming in front of my monitor, but you'll get there! What I can suggest is to practice your last hitting in bot games, as well as your map movement. GL!!

[@nikawiklauri8247]

Grubby please don't stop playing dota. I was waiting for this moment for years! Dota has more warcraft spirit that hots

[@davidtoiser6535]

Good luck for your training !

[@souldude151]

I understand everyone giving advice in twitch chat and youtube comments but really Grubby should just get Purge or someone to help him grasp the basics.

[@mystic839]

I think he genuinely gets a lot of enjoyment out of figuring things out for himself most of the time.

[@jellyboudoirjr.1235]

I think it's more fun watching him learn on him own. You can only be new once, he can always get coached by Purge later. That's what Day9 ended up saying about his experience coming to Dota in retrospect. Being brand new to a game and everything seeming mysterious and shiny is fun, and fun to watch for us old timers/addicts.

[@dtibvgz8441]

Hey Grubby, when you have AoE spell and wish to clear neutral camps - make sure you hit more then one at the same time. Their Aggro is just like in WC3. Just like taking two camps together in Last Refuge.

[@TheBakeroot]

That alchemist impression was scary good

[@sergeyk9060]

[B] should be Barathrum and drink Beer every time you charge across the map.

[@Churahm]

This game was a matchmaking marvel. How someone with 3 games played end up in the same game as that OD/oracle/SF is beyond me.

[@赴大家惡化不得好死時]

There aren't many new players and this isn't so bad. Playing with better players makes you learn faster - worked for me in Garena days

[@赴大家惡化不得好死時]

Grubby could start organized matches with his viewers, he could learn so much more if he had someone on the mic coaching him instead of reading the in game chat, twitch chat, reading all of the spells etc. it's simply overwhelming. Not to mention it's the best way to avoid Snipers who want to ruin his games

[@noelpena2947]

Been waiting for new dota vids

[@yourtags4876]

New players learn dota 2 in very hard way. Good luck on your journey!

[@jellyboudoirjr.1235]

I've seen a lot of people in chat discouraging the A-Z challenge. Just want to say that I'm loving it and I think it's an awesome way for you to learn what all the heroes do. It makes me excited to tune into the next stream and see you learn the next hero in the alphabet! Keep it up 🐗

[@Drakhthul]

I love this new Series!

[@deathdealerhype7819]

Glad your finally stepping out of your comfort zone and playing some thing new.

[@MrDungcute]

aggro creeps more sir, one of my childhood ‘s idols “4K.Grubby”

[@DaMnUFo0]

I think you should host a game and play a scrim with your subs. That way you can get good content, learn a bit better, and have fun together with zero toxicity (hopefully). As a former immortal player, it warms my heart when I see a WC3 legend playing Dota 2 in 2022 lol. I started with Brood War to WC3 to DotA to Dota 2 then back to SC remastered. Lemme tell you, you will learn this game at a fast pace due to your familiarity with WC3 and it will be very rewarding if you stick to the end. Cheers.

[@ericshun3331]

It’s so weird watching grubby play wc3 at an extremely high level for years. Then seeing him hop on dota and make every wrong decision😂. Guess he is human after all. That being said im sure youll pick this up in no time Grub

[@vltraviolence7640]

Alchemist is the textbook definition of a min/max hero

[@jasonmoore442]

Alch a tough intro to dota. Well played Grubby!

[@dummydumb9948]

I love seeing u learn dota

[@petitfww]

I'm so glad you're doing this challenge. I hope it unravels all the toxicity around learning a game, and learning it as you please.

[@jackbyrnes6152]

I love seeing Grubby play DotA!

[@deathdealerhype7819]

Also if you want to learn a hero the best place to do it is on Turbo. You lvl faster/gold faster. Games are 15-30 mins

[@tcanch]

As usual great video! You should talk with BSJ and try doing a collab, he is a popular dota 2 streamer who is very good at educational content and I think people from both your audiences would enjoy watching the learning process since you seem to have the right ideas and questions to ask. I’m sure people would love to see him struggle in wc3 as well lol

[@helicoptersgobrrr7434]

lol bsj is trash, CLQ dumpstered him twice when BSJ was a "pro"

[@killingthejoker3274]

The hero is only strong on enemy hand, learn it the hard ways at the start of the game, funny how you can controll several hero but so clumky when playing. Also small tip when stacking, always hit at :55, almost true for all the camp

[@muug]

Actually most camps' timings are around 56-57. Only ancients and pull creeps have the 54-55 now

[@killingthejoker3274]

@@muug really, maybe i count when you start hitting creep, and the ancient is at .53 max, i'm pretty sure it still work

[@rondiggitydawg2010]

53 still works..u can hit one at 53 one at 55 and double stack if u doit creative

[@legionofyuri]

28:35 when you go back in time to 1950s America

[@Ph3oh]

I see Grubby DotA, I press like!

[@manoi8]

guide is really good for item and skill build, but they don't tell you how to do the gameplay style for example, juggernaut who you did play before is a carry that can play semi aggresive. You probably can fight when the ult is up meanwhile heroes like alchemist is really dependent on items, so you probably need radiance first and maybe also bkb to join the fight and also the series before, Abaddon is a support that primarily sit back and use spells for saving teammates, so you already doing good for that. what lacking is doing your support duty, like buying wards and dust

[@pluckyleon6640]

Great Video Grubby, But given the recent big patch notes hit, just as you begun the game you will be able to experience a totally different game in just few days of playing lol. Mega patches in Dota are a festival in itself.

[@macbobXD]

Radiance is quite far reach item for noobs (because its too expensive and you have to stay safe so you don't die and keep a large amount of gold in stash), usually you get either hand of midas or storm hammer instead because they are cheaper farm boosting items.

[@FollowGrubby]

Good advice thank you

[@enso8762]

It's good that he banned the guy saying "get closer for xp", xp range is 1500 lol. Don't always listen to chat

[@harizihsan4126]

That body block at 14:00

[@croszdrop1]

Dota 2 took a lot of good things about warcraft and made them better. Surprised it took you this long to try it out. Glad to see you are enjoying it.

[@zhengistasbolatov8480]

You should watch The International, or ESL One Malaysia which is going currently, if you pay attention, you can learn multiple heroes and tips at once.

[@TriNguyen-bo9gz]

Let's be honest, I did not know the 2nd move would cause damage after Alchemist got stunned. I hope this series keep moving forward to learning this beta game.

[@horsemumbler1]

I hope Mr. "Go closer for xp" got the ban XD

[@tobstobros76]

A very interesting series

[@UnknownOrc]

A suggestion, host TI international for Dota beginners like yourself.

[@Azugon]

what button was it again that cancels an attack or skill before the animation is finished? Grubby needs to know it so he can better time the last hit!

[@Mene0]

I like A-Z challenges. In Hots those are pretty cool

[@rwang1888]

Can’t wait for the invoker video

[@UltimaShadrax]

Dota2 vods not on twitch anymore :'( starts on clinks and the 28th of aug.... so close yet so far.

[@beattheovenludwigvan]

New upload finally

[@ExpertPeeb]

Some alchemist tips: your W can deny yourself. Acid pool kills the weak jungle camp easy early. Acid pool between 2 jungle camps then pull them both in to minimize damage and secure both. Acid pool the creep wave if it’s not safe to be on it so u can at least get more than 0 gold. Ultimate gives a bunch of hp regeneration, so feel free to use it as a heal after a lot of jungling.

[@imbapanda7703]

cant wait for you to hit i in the challenge and get to play invoker, really want to see that

[@purplefanta7142]

Can you please get WTII in and play some custom games with him? I feel like he's missing out on so many good custom games here. The arcade is literally just warcraft 3 custom maps in a new engine. It's really cool seeing WC3 players get into dota. I learned so many tricks from yall knowing the ins and out of warcraft so much and those mechanics carry over to dota 2 perfectly. Like losing creep aggro by attack moving allied units, body blocking and a few others. EDIT: this game was really unlucky, OD is a very punishing hero to play against, Alche needs space to thrive.

[@PerroConChaleco]

so a crucial thing about dota is knowing when to do what. When to farm the lane, when to move to jungle, when to join fights, when to go find someone in their jungle, etc. I think you'd benefit from either playing with someone or just read your team's comms

[@marveyjameselman6128]

In dota, when u got good micro skills, u are king. Keep up with this and go pro. I believe you have what it takes to reach there because I have been watching ur videos in wc3. *whispers*..."spam lycan, beasmaster, chen"

[@rcortez5979]

is this your first dota gameplay video? I think I might be wrong

[@VinnyGreeley]

Gonna take a long time to learn all the mechanics of dota. I hope he doesn’t get discouraged

[@luizhosken]

Keep it up! Nice to see you trying this awsome game. Im having a lot of fun, hope you too.

[@Hands0ap]

Toxcicity is starting to set in…

[@WarlordSuperbius]

Good luck grubby 🤣🤣🤣☺️☺️

[@ericsimon2286]

By the way….that was ogre mage voice lines at the beginning

[@krwiopijca7159]

Today - Pubs, Tommorow - The International 😉

[@Jeeereen]

he's still playing on my bracket match. Who knows what bracket he is next month

[@tasmanchapman7089]

That WD must have been stream sniping. He was way too nice

[@Sasataf]

You should read the whole guide, not just the build. The reason you don't get stun is because you don't need it for farming. But since you were fighting a lot, you should've picked at least 1 level in stun.

[@beyOndzZz]

Grub, just farm hard on carries like Alchemist. Should rush radiance to boost your farming even further. Dont play support in dota unless you really know what u doing. Alchemist is farming god, and gets to 6slot items quite faster than most heroes. An early hand of midas also works great. You should be farming all the time, no sitting behind waiting for things or chillin.

[@FollowGrubby]

Roger that! Constant farming! I'll be playing some more supports though since I'm trying out all the heroes!

[@beyOndzZz]

@@FollowGrubby for supports its all about harass,babysitting and creating space for your carries to farm. Early fighting and map control (wards) is the name of the game. You should try heroes like Invoker or Meepo eventually. As a wc3 god these will be especially fun for you.(they are carries) Hf

[@tahajawaid4384]

While most of us would agree on this comment to a large extent, your advice to get midas on Alchemist is terrible. Please do not do that. It sets you back and it is an overkill. There is not a single game where you'd want an Alchemist who goes Midas. You'd be reported in almost all the games for griefing.

[@goink3368]

Midas on alchemist Is super outdated. Just let him stick to guides

[@IAmebAdger]

Support became much easier to play over the years, wards are free and stuff. He has some HOTS experience, so he can play it. You learn fast while supporting others too.

[@twoandhalfbengals]

@Grubby 11:37 umm no, he was giving good advice. 10k hours here. You can hide in the tree's ect. DON'T BAN HIM... for giving you proper advice. Your goal was to hit 6 so can spam your ult for free health regen, you can start to farm jungle after too. You also went WAY to close.. exp range is far but you were still out of the range.. But you could of chilled in the tree's, lay acid spray hope for free cs and still get xp.. Just thought you should know. Before you go and ban someone for the wrong reason.

[@adihendrawan611]

It's okay. You will get rampage the day you play Zeus

[@Jaak3l]

love the dota 2 content

[@imikoimo6685]

Some advise overall: -If you check out the hero, look at the guide and read the early game items and what they do. -you lose a lot of cs because you try to deny, but cs is way more important -use tangos and send new ones to keep your hp always obove 50%, otherwise your enemies will engage and keep you out of the lane, they be more aggressive if your hp is low, same goes for mana, if they see that you're oom, they will engage, don't spam your abilities (doesn't apply for each hero) -if you die, go to death recap and read your opponents abilities, that helps alot to understand what actuelly killed you and how to avoid it

[@marcusmeins1839]

some heroes like Alchemist are late game ones and they need a lot of farm .

[@gems4198]

Keep it going Grubby! 🙂

[@Nelphie1]

New patch is out today grubby! and its a big read haha, but your just in time now for this challenge with the new patch, its mostly talents/spell changes for alot of heroes

[@FollowGrubby]

Perfect timing then!

[@Nelphie1]

@@FollowGrubby If you need a practice partner to do some normal games let me know, i am Aincent 4-5 with 8k hours so i can trow in some tips if you want as well if not that is totaly cool learning curve is a process to enjoy as well!

[@kirillshulga1977]

I have been playing DotA since childhood for 12 years already. I would never have thought that the moba genre is so difficult to master, especially DotA against the background of other mobs. It always seemed that many basic actions are very primitive, easy to learn and understandable for any person. But looking at how such a strong Warcraft 3 player suffers with banal things in DotA, I'm a little shocked. As for me, you need to watch some training videos and replays of the games of professional players in positions to understand the required actions from one position or another.

[@Penrose517]

E-sports has corrupted gaming.. that makes it sound like a job than something for fun.

[@kirillshulga1977]

@@Penrose517 And what did eSports do to you? For professional players, this is work, yes. It takes a lot of practice to be the best. You, as a spectator or player, can enjoy the high level of the game and learn it from the very best.

[@Penrose517]

@@kirillshulga1977 Ruined WoW PvP and League. What was once ambitious ideas for battlegrounds became small arenas and perfectly symetrical and boring objectives. In League some champions at a casual and solo queue level are not playable at all because in a coordinated e-sports environment they are too useful and they completely changed my favourite character into a different one because of it. E-sports has turned things I once loved into corporate products with the soul sucked out of them.

[@kirillshulga1977]

@@Penrose517 You're not drawing the right conclusions at all. The esports scene is an itolon, an indicator of the highest level of play possible. Naturally, it reveals various nuances, features, strengths and weaknesses of the characters. Shows the most effective style of play that players are starting to use. All this implies growth and development in all areas for the game, including the overall level of the game. If everything is as you idealize, then everyone would continue to play like the last noobs and the genre would be dead without even starting its journey.

[@Penrose517]

@@kirillshulga1977 All of that at the expense of fun. In Dota 2 I guess its fine because that has always been a tryhard game but I don't know if you played WoW and League before they went big into E-sports. Try being a Qiyana main in solo-Q or a fan of old Aatrox.. can't do either of those things because of it

[@MagicRabbit]

I get the idea of learning while playing but it would be a good idea to get at last the basic concept with tutorials. Because playing with someone like that, and then he even is you hard carry, is like super frustrating for the rest of the team.

[@khaelmonk2279]

Dont be passive in lane bro, try to hit(harass) enemy heroes whenever there is a chance(with attack/spells), to deplete their resources, so they will be more afraid to hit you back. You can bring more heal later using your mule, so at first you can get some damage/stats and one pack of tangoes to last hit better and have enough sustainability. Your next hero is Axe, you should skip boots and go for "Vanguard" then you can skip enemy creeps between their tier1&tier2 towers without worrying much. Hope this can help you a bit! It's nice to see new players in DotA.

[@defiantjv2920]

thats too advance for a beginner and should stay away from it just yet. It's better to learn at his own pace and just have fun naturally

[@khaelmonk2279]

@@defiantjv2920 thats just the basics lol

[@defiantjv2920]

@@khaelmonk2279 sure its the basics, but Grubby is already struggling getting last hits so it is not possible for him to aggro and such yet. He is also still slow when pressing his items like to heal, etc. just getting any item during the beginning of the game is okay for beginners!

[@khaelmonk2279]

@@defiantjv2920 i saw his last stream with dondo, hes already good with aggro, mechanics are quite similar to wc3, so Grubby's good at getting everything quickly

[@defiantjv2920]

@@khaelmonk2279 yeah i wasnt as good as Grub back when I first started playing either but its natural for Grub to be better in terms of mechanics

[@We_Worship_King_Jesus]

Alchemist is best hero, 2 heads > 1. Simple maths.

[@theSpicyHam]

more dota grubby

[@trixy8442]

Oh my eyes can’t take this anymore… 🤦‍♂️

[@Marjannuel]

Man we all start at some point, give my man some time 🙂

[@saltytech5546]

I bet you would like zoo / illusion hero's.

[@leogura6580]

Dota is extremely stressfull game especially in SEA SERVER.

[@lowendplayer4259]

Don't give up keep playing you have alot potential..but for now your missing LH and items are giving me seizure.. 🤣 💙💙💙 GGWP

[@defiantjv2920]

you were just as bad as when I first started playing and this is a compliment from me! Good luck Grub!

[@gamdanyunizar7849]

im with you on your journey Grubby! (I won't like the video and ruin the lucky number)

[@rionatalius4292]

Woah

[@hlvhlv7072]

melee fighters are difficult in dota

[@風上-l8y]

Grubby或許需要努力半年，才能跟上大家13年來DOTA2的中級水平。

[@SuperRecast]

that guy that telling you to buy alacrity, ban him.. man was was still in good run for radiance and he telling sh1t to buy manta 🤔

[@Jaime_Protein_Cannister]

You may know this now since you've been at it for a while , but ... If you cannot cs on perticular champion , forget denying. You're missing cs , becuse of going for deny's . Your own gold is more important and more importantly on Alchemist who has Gold buff. Isn't it logical to get more bonus gold rather than denies.

[@SifSehwan]

DotA doesn't engage in hand-holding nor does it pull it's punches. It's the caveman Moba. I would focus more on core mechanics like last hitting and map awareness in the beginning.

[@josedasilva6885]

gg

[@oktyrant8953]

Pay attention to ! and chat