HG Leo NPD - BUILD + REVIEW - Gundam Wing/Build Divers plastic model kit

[@BLAZE084]

The Leo is 16.2m and the Tallgeese 17.4m. The height difference is somewhat accurate. It wasn't called Tallgeese for nothing (lol).

[@GalironRunner]

Tallgeese is the protype even in ther series when their going over TG the guy tells zecks that its bigger then leo

[@HybrydATP64]

I thought the tallgeese was 18m

[@MuShinnen]

Not in terms of scale. It's off by quite a bit. If the Leo here for instance is scaled to 16.2 meters, the RG Tallgeese would have to be nearly 20 meters tall for the scales to line up. The proportions are also very different, which makes little sense, as the leo is merely a scaled down, lesser performing, mass produced tallgeese.

[@DiggitySlice]

@@MuShinnen the height is measured to the top of the head, not to the top of the helmet crest. Citrus said 2cm which just from the video shows he's measuring the height wrong. As for the scale, the Leo's bigger feet and skinnier shins are accurate to the offical art. The Leo's arms are also accurate to the art. The Tallgeese is the one with inaccurate arms.

[@AzraelThanatos]

@@DiggitySlice The RG Tallgeese is, I believe, based on the Endless Waltz/Glory of the Losers designs rather than the TV version which has more proportional issues.

[@speedstriker]

We are graced again by Citrus and his amazing voice, one last time, before Christmas. Merry Christmas, Citrus! Edit: Your atypically harsh review of the Leo is very informative as most others can't stop singing praises for this kit. Good to know it has some serious problems, but is fun despite them.

[@citrusjuicebox]

I wouldn't be doing a good job if I didn't put everything on the table. Thank you!

[@DiggitySlice]

Negative does not equal honest.

[@OtherMomo]

Personally, I dig the idea that the Leo is smaller, it fits the idea that the Leo cuts costs all over to make it cheaper to mass produce, and cutting down 3.28084 GOD BLESSED AMERICAN YARDS cuts down a huge amount of metal, wires, and electronics per unit.

[@erinwolsleben5036]

Someone already commented, but yea the Tallgeese is actually taller and overall larger than the Leo. Tallgeese was the prototype and basis for the Leos and Gundams

[@markywongberg]

Glad to see that you're uploading somewhat frequently again!

[@OtherMomo]

That last pose with the flag and enact is like "I'm here too, weee!"

[@krisjou1473]

I really like the color of your Leo. It looks very classy hahaha I do have an HG Leo, bought a PBandai variant, will be buying this kit, and just commissioned someone to create conversion parts for a 1/100 Leo. So I guess I'm a Leo fan? Your review is good though.

[@thomaskok5773]

finally a review of a leo which is not over praise...glad im not the only one who has the same thigh joint problem

[@lukabazookastj9462]

Great review citrus! but I disagree with you in the tallgeese scaling issue, the tallgeese is 17.4 meters in height while the Leo is 16.2 and not to mention in the anime I’m pretty sure it’s stated that the downsize the Leo for mass production so these sizes and proportions make total sense in my opinion. Also it’s a Leo and there is no head movement what so ever because of its design, for someone to lower their opinion on a kit because of its design is ludicrous to me as that unmovable head is apart of the design and the same goes for doms with their articulation! As long as the kit does it’s job well as the mobile suit, I’m sold. Good to see your content again citrus.

[@apricot_luna]

Another huge reason for the c clip joints is so people can mass build Leo kits without wasting a ton of time building joints with a lot of parts.

[@citrusjuicebox]

That makes sense!

[@apricot_luna]

@@citrusjuicebox the HG Leo joints are like the precursor to Bandai's 30 Minute Misson joints

[@Smilomaniac]

A bit late, but in Gundam Wing Zechs states (upon seeing Tallgeese for the first time) that it's enormous. He's piloted a Leo before that, indicating that it's supposed to be larger than a standard Leo, which you could attribute any sensible reason as to why it's smaller, such as saving on materials or that they fit better in transports. Narratively this makes sense, as the Tallgeese is supposed to be a match for the Gundams while the Leo is a grunt suit. When compared to the HG Heavyarms, the Leo is an entire head shorter. I kinda like it this way.

[@holden_7597]

The Tallgeese is supposed to represent Katoki’s redesign in Glory of Losers. The Leo is more anime accurate.

[@phanthomjoker7976]

Its nice to see you uploading reviews again. Btw Mr Scissors is adorable

[@pafu_pafu]

i love your panning shots. they've improved a lot! keep up the good work!!

[@kidultchannel]

Nice review! I really like the white panel line.

[@Mustangman03gt]

I think the Leo vs Tallgeese issue stemmed from them coming out so close together, which leads me to believe they were developed separately, which is a problem... They both should have been HG IMO, and had the RG come out further down the road

[@citrusjuicebox]

Good point, I didn't think about it that way. It's possible that the two teams didn't communicate their intentions clearly. I wonder if the same thing may have happened between the MG ZZ Ver. Ka and the RE/100 Hamma Hamma. Hmm...

[@Mustangman03gt]

So I started watching Wing today. Episode 3 they clearly state the Tallgeese is latprger than the Leo... so I guess the size discrepancy really isn't. I guess I shouldn't wait 20 years between viewings... I forget important facts :)

[@citrusjuicebox]

Yes, Tallgeese is supposed to be bigger, but it's not supposed to be THAT much bigger. Why doesn't anyone understand that.

[@MuShinnen]

@@Mustangman03gt Everyone knows the Tallgeese is larger, but we already have actual measurements for those suits height wise. Tallgeese is not 3 meters taller than Leo.

[@elnegrojosebigblackcookn5469]

I loved the paint job you did in this figure was simple but amazing how you managed to make the leo stand out good Job and great review

[@super8ben]

When I first saw the thumbnail I though the suit was watering flowers.

[@rm709]

The best part about grunt kits like the Leo is price when practicing painting and line work. The ankles are the WORST and they take much patience to position, agreed. But overall it’s an easy kit to assemble and looks good on the shelf.

[@orbdotpng]

Excellent review. This kit is good but nowhere near as good as some reviewers out there have hyped it up to be. I'm glad you brought up the issues in the waist joint and the ankles, people mention that in passing but your's actually show how good/bad they can be. This can be great kit with a lil extra effort but going in with tapered expectations is the way to go.

[@steffy2]

great video , love the white detailing!

[@MrWhowatchesme]

The Tallgeese is not a small MS like the Wing and Leo Mobile Suits. The Leo stands at 17m, White the Leo is at about 16m and the Wing is about 15m.

[@WatcherMovie008]

Comparing the HG Leo to the RG Tallgeese is really unfair and unjust to the Leo. Also the Leo is taking on a more anime accurate approach (especially if we consider now with the release of the Magnac and future release of Sandrock). We'll have to wait for a HG Tallgeese to do a fair comparison.

[@MuShinnen]

It's totally fair. He still said he recommended it for what it was. However there are glaring scale problems. The real grade gives more detail, but the scale of the Tallgeese as compared to the Leo is off by a large chunk. The proportions are also off. Anime accuracy has nothing to do with simple things like getting the basic sizes of mobile suits correct.

[@BornToPeeForcedToDrinkIt]

@@MuShinnen It really isn't. RGs are never designed to be compatible with HGs. It's also a bit disingenuous to knock the Leo for not being completely canon-accurate compared to the Tallgeese when the review opens with him stating he's not a stickler for canon accuracy. Citrus got the scale wrong, the two kits are actually sized properly. (in fact it's the HGAC Gundams that are too large) The Tallgeese has just taken more liberties with the source material as all RGs do, not to mention being based on the "EW" version and not the TV show. The Leo is technically the more accurate of the two. On top of that, I think he overlooked a critical aspect of the Leo's construction: the HGAC Leo is designed to be a fast, simple build, with the goal being to build many of these for an army. It was the prototype for the fine build system that would later be fleshed out and refined in 30 Minutes Missions, so it's not perfect, but the whole kits is designed with speed and simplicity in mind without compromising on aesthetics.

[@MuShinnen]

@@BornToPeeForcedToDrinkIt Nothing disingenuous about my response. Scale wise the Tallgeese is always pictured as being larger than a Leo. Both kits are supposed to be at the same scale. The proportions are off. If 1/144 is the universal scale then it misses. It's really that simple. Both kits are fine, but next to each other, the proportions are still off. HG kits being designed to be fast builds has 0 to do with how it was designed in accordance to it's height.

[@elvisvalentin3010]

Wow, i did not realize the NPD kits came with the parts to make a classic leo.

[@jwatson15]

I just wish you could put the npd backpack on the regular leo.

[@Radical_Hair]

Is the EW version of the Tallgeese supposed to be taller than the original TV version? I'm sure it's probably just a case of Bandai cheating with scale like the Victories, but I'm not sure.

[@citrusjuicebox]

I don't think anything was supposed to change size, but Katoki designed the EW suits and he tends to stretch everything.

[@knightx605]

@@citrusjuicebox I heard that the tallgeese is supposed to be taller. And again Katoki. We still need a MG LEO! Also Tallgeese is 1M taller to the leo.

[@animereverie4380]

The tallgeese was the “Gundam” that the Leo is a derivative of in the story. It’s a prototype or colony suit made in the same vain as the colony Gundams using that made up alloy. The Leo is the oz mass production suit that is based on the tallgeese. Compromises include speed, height, maneuverability, and output. It’s stated in the show that only a few people could handle the tallgeese’s output any one else would end up severely injured by g forces and such.

[@animereverie4380]

At least that’s what I remember from the show it’s been a while.

[@AzraelThanatos]

I'm not sure, the one from in Endless Waltz (Tallgeese 3) is shorter than the other versions, mainly because it loses the crest for a more gundam thing with the head.

[@GuntPulp]

Just because someone doesn't paint a kit, that doesn't make them "lazy". There are many different reasons why someone may not paint a kit that have nothing to do with being lazy. To say it's lazy was a poor choice of words.

[@shanewright344]

I know the Leo has a bad reputation for being nothing more than fodder for the main characters in the show, but when a Leo is piloted by Zechs, or Heero, the suit is surprisingly capable in combat. It's for this reason that I actually like the Leo, even though it is grossly inferior to something like a Gundam, or, other more advanced Mobile Suits.

[@yoyosareprettycool]

Buying this for sure

[@ludovicocammisa9320]

I don't get the comparison/critique with the RG Tallgeese... 1) the Tallgeese is canonically bigger then the Leo; 2) You're comparing a EW design with a TV design, so of course they're not gonna match exactly; 3) If you want a fair comparison put it near the old 1/144 version of the Tallgeese

[@citrusjuicebox]

1. Yes, but as I said in the video, the difference between the model kits is too big. 2. The EW Tallgeese is supposed to be the same size as the TV Tallgeese, even though the designs are slightly different. 3. I don't think my reasons for buying the RG Tallgeese and HG Leo together are uncommon. Not many builders, especially the newer builders that this kit appeals to, are interested in or even aware of the old Tallgeese. I'd say my comparison is pretty fair, since it's more applicable to reality.

[@riceboycruz1300]

Can u pls review the HG 1/144 Wing Zero?

[@citrusjuicebox]

No. I prefer the EW look, so if anything I'd review the RG.

[@StudioWDOnline]

100th like. 7:00 since you mentioned the scale size RG and HGBD kits are different. HGUC, RG, MG, and PG kits go by a different measurements. RG Tallgeese is a little bit off than the HG Leo because it's a scaled down MG. More parts and detail, but BANDAI has to create a size difference for each scale, but the same time each mobile suit in each scale category are respected by the specifications by the designers of the various Gundam shows that are presented which sell the models.

[@5nitrogaming712]

ain't the whole point of real grade is that it changes the proportions a fair bit? the leo NPD parts are gummy on mine as well which is a bit of a let down.

[@HybrydATP64]

I think the size difference between the tallgeese is accurate

[@DiggitySlice]

RG RX-78-2: review mostly positive, gives negative rating at the end HG Leo: review mostly negative, gives positive rating at the end Jesus

[@breakingbasha]

But the RG isn´t supposed to be accurate. The Name REAL grade implies to make a design which is more akin to machines that would exist in our word so i don´t get why it´s a negative?

[@medranodiego8641]

Because he's stupid and clearly doesn't know anything about the things he reviews.

[@radicalgoodspeed16]

if the colours were darker it would look like the space Leo variant

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Not gonna lie, I only got this for the heads. And because it kinda looks like Mega Man Vollnut.

[@markongchangco1537]

Wow. The complaints here are pretty much the same with mine. Weak ankles and especially weak torso joints. This really is a surprise since the base leo doesn't have these 2 problems (at least not with mine). You would think that with them sharing the same mold, different variants wouldn't have different problems. I only bought the kit for the npd parts specifically so I can attach a tiltrotor pack on a regular leo. I would get what I want and still have a complete leo to build after.

[@pipoyreglos193]

leo npd got some bad joint issues, esp the waist. this is not present on the regular leo kit. probably mold issues.

[@citrusjuicebox]

Identical molds, so it definitely affects both kits.

[@pipoyreglos193]

i built both regular leo and npd. npd's joints are loose compared to the regular kit bandai also got some issues regarding reprints, like the rg unicorn, the first one i got has no issues, but the second one got an issue with the lock tab on the back for the transformation. second kit is a lot tighter.

[@citrusjuicebox]

Not sure what's going on there. Maybe the metal casts aren't as strong as they used to be, because this kind of degradation used to take much longer than just a few months to occur. Either that or Bandai is just printing that many more kits than they used to, because they sell like hotcakes. Perhaps printing with the same mold continuously without changing switching it out wears it down faster?

[@huitzilo7567]

FUCKING finally!

[@Mike_Jones1980]

I didn't have problems with the thighs, but the ankles and the waist are absolutely horrible. It's a waste of time and money. I'm gonna try to kitbash this hunk of crap with my broken Master Gundam and see what turns up.

[@MrWhowatchesme]

Plus the Leo is 1/135 scale not 1/144 which sucks.

[@Dantakurasaki]

This review is full of so much misinformation it is kinda...yikes

[@000NULL]

The art is incorrect, the tallgeese is supposed to be larger than the Leo.

[@mrshrinstar7262]

omegad it copied tallgeese design (blown mind)

[@JosephJoboLicayan]

Seriously Citrus, RGs by default are not Anime accurate. Stop hitting too hard on em, youll only hurt yourself.

[@citrusjuicebox]

Size wasn't a problem for plenty of previous RGs. Being out-of-scale is the exact opposite of what RGs are supposed to be.

[@JosephJoboLicayan]

@@citrusjuicebox Ah, I see your point now. I misinterpreted that. But to be fair, the Leo is shorter than it should be and the RG Tallgeese is taller than it should be, owing to the changes in its legs (I think). Both of them were never truly meant to compliment each other because the leo only looks good either by itself or with an army of clones while the Tallgeese is meant to shine all by itself or with other RGs. Examples of these RGs are the RX-78 with the Zakus, the Zephyrantes with the Full Burneon, the Mk IIs, the Seed & Destiny ones, Setsuna suits, etc.

[@citrusjuicebox]

But the RG RX-78-2 and RG Zaku looks great next to the HG Origin Zakus, the Mk-II next to HG Hazels, etc. I think this was just a case where someone dropped the ball.

[@JosephJoboLicayan]

@@citrusjuicebox A case of Bandai not giving a damn? Certainly. Wouldnt be the first time either. Im pretty sure the HG Origin kits are meant to be like in between HGs and RGs and were released 5 years after the lattee. Those very years where bandai was still in the process of stepping up the quality of HGs. Also, the Hazels looking good with the RG MkII probably were just coincidences whereas the HG Origins probably a bit more deliberate takeover of both mainline HG and highclass RG by being in between both. Evidence of this can be seen in Bandai releasing almost no Zakus after 2015 (when first Origin HG was released) outside of the Origin line and not even a revive.