TRUNDA WILL REMAIN #1 TEAM! INITIAL HYDRA CHANGE THOUGHTS | Raid: Shadow Legends

[@HHGamingNetwork]

Check out the the full breakdown from raid: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXzHqJdpfJ1gocU Check out my Original Ideas on Fixing Hydra: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a57SpKqjbct4f5I

[@lightspeedwr2918]

Plarium knew they were about to nerf Trunda,and kept putting her on the 10x and on the prysm shards to rob players,if we are smart we’ll not giving them more money,or else its our fold they keep doing it!

[@BigpopsMcGee]

Does a head only come back after you destroy a decapitated head’s health bar? Or do it still have a turn meter and come back regardless if you kill decapitated the head or not?

[@antonfidd3795]

Saph. You and the HH team should add a toggle button in the optimiser for pre and post hydra buff team searches. We will never see what teams people are having success with without that option and the team optimiser will become almost useless.

[@hasibreza5426]

What do you mean they have given nothing back to the players? You know very well how many OP myhtical champs they have added in the game, they said themselves at the very start of their vdo.

[@ShadowGameAlchemy]

I don't think Trunda changes are nerf for Trunda team. The main nerf is Digestion and Serpent's will. Now Trunda can be consumed after certain turn count. It was not possible before as she was one shot killing every head

[@Mysticrystal_7]

Plariums biggest mistake is not hiring Saph as a consultant. 😂. Thank you so much for this video. Was waiting to hear your response and thoughts on this.

[@1923825]

Saph always exposes their stupidity. They don't like him.😅

[@robinsoncrystaln]

@@1923825 Agreed! So glad he part of the Godforge/Fateless team. I’m ready to jump the sinking ship that is RSL. 😅

[@theworldaccordingto8665]

Hahaha as soon as I saw the changes I started looking for Saph, I knew his assessment would be the most accurate

[@csb5128]

Yes, but Saph wants to do things the right way. That doesn't fit the Plarium requirements.

[@최진솔-p6r]

Agreed their only chance was to offer him like 1M a year and force him to sign a 10 year non compete, cause with him at Godforge Raid is so doomed. "What a game where the owners and designers actually understand their game??? How crazy!" Yes Godforge won't be perfect we are human, but I am assured it will be corrected expeditiously with Saph on the team.

[@jasonstewart4952]

Well that’s it for me. Thank you saph and community for everything over the last few years. See you all in godforge!

[@gregkern7072]

🫡🫣🤥

[@jasonstewart4952]

@@gregkern7072 😂😭😂

[@samuelturcotte1486]

See you tomorrow, we both know you are gonna play.

[@renierdutoit9993]

Bye

[@jasonstewart4952]

@@samuelturcotte1486 your a cuck and we all know it

[@andyjarman9118]

Picture this - midway through a hydra battle, suffering eats your dps champ. gets a massive digestion bar you'll need to break. then procs his extra turn. Your left with a huge health bar on the most tanky head with 1 turn to free them. They can reduce the turn limit and claim they're saving us time. yet the amount of times people will feel compelled to restart due to a situation similar to that .. means its not shorter, its far longer.

[@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634]

Yeah, they ruined Hydra. It's going to be unplayable for the majority of players

[@antonfidd3795]

yup. this is all i have been thinking about.

[@antonfidd3795]

@@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634 they did indeed murder hydra. can't expect much else from these greedy bastards.

[@HHGamingNetwork]

One of my proposals in my previous video was to increase the base consumption duration by 1 turn. So instead of 5 > 2 its 6 > 3 so it always gives you a chance to recover from a suffering consumption.

[@MatthewC1128]

“WE’vE gOt soMe ExCITING NEWS for you RAID FanS!” “Hydra sucks now for everyone.” “Be sure to Like and subscribe!”

[@sgttoxiiczz]

🤣

[@b4warned115]

Summed up perfectly

[@andreycuy6541]

😄

[@evgenianovikova3596]

Yay! 😂

[@1923825]

@@MatthewC1128 Well at least one thing better. Only need to watch till 1000 turns not 1500 turns.

[@nicknauj124]

“Taunt is working as intended…. Let’s Nerf it” 🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️🤦🏼‍♂️

[@laffecaffelott]

Completely unnecessary aswell as the shield cap already completely deletes the wixwell yannica/aselyn teams. This is just deleteing a huge amount of team building options and the only real counter most people have to the now giga buffed digestion

[@ExiledtoVampa]

What's taunt? (Insert sarcasm)

[@johnnierichardson3289]

Turn count should be 500 max. Give us back our time. Lower the damage requirements to help with this. The devour timer changes is just not necessary.

[@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634]

Seriously

[@SirLouisOliver]

I think taunt would have become the new problem after trunda. They probably want to release better taunt champs that make it relevant for other content but would be broken in hydra

[@reddevils3537]

I can't even last 50 turns😂😂😂

[@anzelmasmatutis2500]

@@reddevils3537 You should demand turn cap at 50! :D

[@1923825]

@@johnnierichardson3289 Agreed. But it would kill incentives for some to pull meta hydra champs, and Payrium doesn't like it.

[@H31N_13]

My issue is that champions that were accessible to all, fusions and Yanika, are the just nerfed. At least Trunda got some buffs to try and make her useful in other areas. They could have at least made bombs, hex, HP burn do more damage or mitigate some of the hydra buffs or kept taunt buff viable for Normal and Hard

[@RandySnarsh]

They did not nerf Yannica. She is just the same as she was.

[@Slider6]

@@RandySnarsh Yeah, she's trash without the shield. So, basically without the shield now growing she's been nerfed.

[@H31N_13]

@@RandySnarsh you're splitting hairs. She's a champion everyone can get that was made useful in a game mode and now she's back in the vault. Not even mad about that, just wondering why they're only "balancing" Trunda and not all champs that have been negatively impacted by these changes

[@AD-qv1pu]

​@@H31N_13Trunda A2 was bugged. Thats why they fixed it. Nothing with yannica is bugged soo no reason to fix anything

[@WillofD18]

He literally said the yannica teams were dead ​@@AD-qv1pu

[@Jun-dy6ht]

Grats plarium for solving the problem and made another problem...

[@sgttoxiiczz]

They haven't really solved anything. They've just lowered the damage ceiling while simultaniosly screwing over everyone that isn't end-game. Classic plarium nerf.

[@Jun-dy6ht]

@@sgttoxiiczz exactly...!

[@cjhaedaten8711]

They fixed the problem, the Plarium way... which create another one much worse than before XD

[@exxile9396]

There was a problem for the top 0.1% of players, so they ruined hydra for everyone.

[@mattwilsonms]

Exactly!! These ppl that are end game and some creators un fortunately are all hailing it as lovely. Jackkasses.

[@gervais95]

womp womp

[@Marixa1979]

I don't think these changes other than being able to use the cheese's which should go away anyways, will affect the lower end players much at all. They likely weren't getting to where the scaling increase to break their champs out will be, they weren't killing heads with the 75% decrease dmg before.

[@Zephyri0n]

​@@Marixa1979that's not the problem at all. How are you only seeing that as a potential issue?

[@therabbitholeguild]

Actually, as a player who didn't get Trunda as a reward for being alive..... I say people who are the elite here. Anyone who signed on in the last two years and is waiting for RNG are the ONLY ones suferring lol I don't have any of the 9 champions that doninate Hydra. So I didn't bother with Hydra Clash yesterday because it was pointless for me and that will still be the case tomorow. Until the RNG gives me what the elites have they will still dominate me. So I have no sympathy about it at all. Its a game. It's problem solving and RNG. Act accordingly.

[@HT-jj5sx]

Saph, the problem is, lots (and LOTS) of clans out there have maybe 2-3 players with the infinite teams that help kill the UNM for the rest of the clan, it's not about '1-keying' the clan boss, it's about getting it down with fewer players. This has the potential to kill clans my dude, no one wants to go back to half rewards just cause they didn't get into a level 20 clan.

[@medktulu]

If their rational is they don't want players to bypass hydra mechanics, I assume they'll have Shamael in their sights soon to punish all those without veil champs...

[@jno4159]

Maybe they’ll triple his animation time. Super fun sitting there for 1 minuet as he counter attacks…why not make it 3. Players do love pretty animations

[@jerryfox143]

@@jno4159 his animation already got slowed down. it used to be faster

[@antonfidd3795]

@@jerryfox143 I didn't know this. What a fuckin joke. I swear its hitler himself running this game.

[@nickhiggs3089]

The fact their video states don't worry you will still be able to get the same damage numbers made me laugh. Harder battles with less turns of course that won't affect your damage numbers

[@sharkwhisperer9493]

“With a bit of tweaking” lmao

[@nickhiggs3089]

@@sharkwhisperer9493 it's like them saying that infinite taunt was a legitimate strategy to convince us to build Emic teams. You can tell when they are lying by the fact that they are moving their lips!

[@sharkwhisperer9493]

@@nickhiggs3089 they have a habit of moving goal posts…what’s the point in taunt now 😭 most of these changes affect the mid game players more than the late game players it’s supposed to be targeting.

[@Mbeezy79]

The Taunt nerf is horrible imo. Taunt is worthless now and wasn't even a part of the problem. Emic and Pack Master fusions now a waste of time and resources.

[@thedawwggaming5672]

And with increasing threat escalation with needing more damage to break out champions, taunt would be the way to get around that too

[@Novazite115]

Taunt should never have been viable in hydra to begin with, it completely negates one of the core functions of hydra

[@thedawwggaming5672]

@@Novazite115 in that sense. Doesn't block debuff also negate how the head of decay puts out poison clouds

[@Novazite115]

@@thedawwggaming5672 poison cloud is countered by block debuffs, devouring is countered by doing damage to free them not by removing devouring completely

[@fratelloshi8578]

​​@@Novazite115 poison cloud is countered with hp burn, block buff negates the mechanic

[@uchiha6351]

Plarium: There s no milk, oh i see every whale krakem allready has a +4 6star trunda. We cant justify screwing them over alone. I have a bright idea lets mess everyones team and bring a op champ like 2 3 weeks that can ignore what we just did

[@sgttoxiiczz]

Thats not a terrible hypothesis. Lmoa So the people that used trunda don't feel targeted and ripped off, they've just screwed over pretty much everyone.

[@jasonsaulters6027]

Yes exactly. They constantly make the champions you have invested in obsolete like stoneskin, polymorph and UDK did so you have to keep fusing/buying new champs and grinding different gear sets that make your other gear irrelevant. By the time you even get a champion you wanted at first they aren't even very useful like Leorious and Nekrhat for example.

[@biljancanin]

You do know that these kraken that have a monster damage dealing +4, 6* Trunda have a Taras or 2 laying around that will basically swap these 2 champs. Trunda was at least easier to get for the average player...

[@Caleb-kw1sq]

Up

[@royalmilk01]

Gotta love how they nerfed taunt...like wow

[@Marixa1979]

Any effect that allows you to ignore the base mechanic of the encounter is bad. They should have made it not work right away, the same as they did with the enfeeble, but you had to know it was going to go away in some way.

[@jasonsaulters6027]

No, because it was asked when the future was released and they said it was working as intended. ​@Marixa1979

[@hammerhiem75]

@@Marixa1979 In that case better remove all the Provoke champions, Block Buff champions, Veil Champions and most definately Shamael from Hydra then because devouring is just as much of a mechanic as Posion Cloud, Cleanse and fear and to say otherwise is Sophistry.

[@Marixa1979]

@@hammerhiem75 The easy answer is that devour is the main mechanic that every hydra head is capable of doing, whereas all those other things is something you need to find a solution for each individual head and they change as the fight goes on. Shamael is great when that head is up, but is mostly irrelevant when it's not up.

[@Neuvillete4.6]

@@Marixa1979 then remove vail then and unkillable / blockdamage since it

[@RaidShadowRipoff]

Wow , now all of our taunt champs are going in the vault….the one place packmaster was any good he’s now useless. Wasted time, money and energy on that fusion I guess. Not to mention the resources it took to build him. Now Wixwell the one champ the community was allowed to vote on is nerfed. Time , money and energy went into that fusion. As well as all the resources to build him. Then time energy and money to build teams around him. The one champ in the game that should never be touched. Hyped him up let us vote on his skills to get us invested in him as a champ. We spend our time and money doing the difficult fusion. We grind to build him and teams around him for months now. While they rake in the money by putting him in boosted summon events and prism pools etc….. just raking in the money. Only to nerf him when he isn’t the one doing the ridiculous damage? It’s no different than a rug pull scam, and if a company did that with a crypto coin it would criminal fraud. Nice con they pulled there on the players who spent their time and money going after wixwell.

[@martinprovo2389]

🙄 I don't disagree with the sentiments, but there's no need to be hyperbolic about some of the champs. I suggest you look at Saph's video on Packmaster he just made recently. It gave his team a major damage boost for single target nukers. He still has a use if you want him to have one. Plus, he wasn't using a team setup to ignore devour either.

[@cosmin4162]

The problem Plarium had is that most of non-spenders were getting too good rewards with the up to 1,2B chests and the special damage teams using fusion champions giving them a chance for Top3. Now they solved that perfectly by buffing hydra while nerfing all those fusion champ special teams.

[@MrLShort]

I do not have Trunda. I do not use the Wixwell shield teams. I still do over 1.2b. I'm f2p. It's perfectly okay to be upset about it, but using hyperbole to justify it is silly. I can almost bet that Thor will be on par with Trunda now. Wixwell is still an absolutely incredible Hydra champ with a 100% provoke A1, dec attack, and intercept that will let you direct Mischief. The only thing these nerfs do is force people to actually do the mechanics. I think they were heavy handed with the digestion thing, but even that doesn't occur til very high turn counts.

[@thiagosilveiradelima9086]

​@@MrLShort the exception cannot be the rule my friend, congratulations on your performance of 1.2 b without infinity, don't belittle those who made the effort to make the Infinity team that didn't use any bugs, unlike Trunda who was.

[@livwilde8267]

what's the point of spending money on what's perceived as an S-tier champion if they're simply eventually going to nerf whoever is on that list? I'm done spending.

[@brianmyers5694]

All the griping bout hydra by the CCs has screwed the rest of us lol. Thanks. I probably can’t do hydra now lol.

[@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634]

Nailed it on the head

[@andreycuy6541]

i am scared too last weak i whas happy that i finally did 10m on normal :D and now this

[@ThecursedCrusade96]

They had no Problem with nerfing Emic Trunkheart, and that guy is a void lego. Or Wixwell, the big "let the community design a champ" Fusion.

[@MarkChaney-b8k]

And left cash cow yumeko alone lol

[@Reajjy]

Think we can all agree that Emics a1 nerf needs to be reverted.

[@dasuniversum5875]

idk man i watched the video from plarium and well.. plarium is punishing normal player and thats NOT good.

[@MrTeaTwoSugars]

How?

[@M.to.the.L]

They're "punishing" all players. Really though, the changes will be "better" for the game mode rather than having such large extremes.

[@dasuniversum5875]

@@MrTeaTwoSugars i mean hydra is becoming overall harder now.. the new change with Decapitation for example, when i kill a head too quickly, it will respawn immediately and that is a huge problem. Or the turn limit change.. im doing dmg over time and 500 less turn = less damage. Or the comsumption change.. it will be harder to get back the champ etc etc

[@dasuniversum5875]

@@M.to.the.L we will see, i hope it will be better

[@chrisdunn833]

I’m willing to wait and see on this. People (Saph included) have made mistakes and assumptions in the past. I don’t run an exploit team and am confident my teams will still get me chests. Hopefully it will lead to HC being more engaging, even if overall scores are lower.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

I don't run exploit teams and this is going to easily half my damage, because my teams will not survive long enough.

[@hammerhiem75]

Your damage is getting reduced by 50% minimum, hope you can still get your chests, I certainly won't be able too on Brutal and Nightmare anymore.

[@janitor8884]

​@hammerhiem75 Oh well guess you will have to build different teams and try new strats. So terrible playing a game and having to think and strategize lol

[@beowulf1563]

​@@janitor8884a lot of people don't have endless amounts of time to strategize new teams over and over and over most people actually have a life. Lol

[@janitor8884]

@@beowulf1563 If youre to busy to play the game then why are you here, the entire game is about guess what building and trying champs and new teams. If your entire enjoyment of the game is based around pick op champ win repeat than thats a you problem.

[@putraceface]

I am one of the 1.2 billion borderlines. All of my teams go to 1500 and I barely clear the 1.2 billion in a week. Back to 2 weeks for the full rewards for a while for me.

[@gerutzu575]

im in the same situation. but consdering that we're getting 500 less turns, and heads will respawn when u do a certain amount of dmg to decapitated heads, the digestion bar increases etc., i think we'll most likely go from struggling to get 1.2 bil for the personal chests to struggling to hit 650 for the top clash chest lol

[@KeithDCanada]

I don't always agree with your takes on things..... but in this one you are 100% correct. From the first reading of these changes, I thought 'why are they punishing the average players, instead of the top players?' Because if all the top players have an 80% reduction in damage, they are still going to collect all the rewards they normally do... it just won't look as impressive. But the average players seeing a noticeable drop in damage and survivability, are going to see drastically different outcomes..... in most cases, not being able to get the same chests they used to. I just don't get he logic. They make things so much more convoluted than it needs to be.

[@BigpopsMcGee]

Not really. Trunda will not be the number 1 team. I’ve seen none trunda teams that do 5 To 10 billion damage already and they all have mythical champions in it. The other one is Taras with double yumeko.

[@zaylinzy2270]

This might be the worst 9 month stretch I’ve ever seen and I’ve only been playing raid for a year and a half.

[@aaronwalcott513]

4:59 But Saph, join this mechanic with the nerfed turn count, and you run into the Relentless problem, but from the boss side: big hit = head respawn = head taking turns but taking no dmg = unprofitable turns. That exposed neck adjustment is a step too far.

[@TheMrBugio]

Dunno about trunda saph. Can't have a reliable reset team that would also deal with other hydra mechanics, she might still do good damage but not nearly as often, also setting up and timing the nuke would be still be a nightmare for most players. Also i like how they want to promote champion diverstity but still the only reliable counter to the torment head is shamael. At least before you could nuke the head down before it was a problem Also it is improtant to know if the heads need spawn at same time for one to not have the serpent buff or just need a head with the buff for the new head not having it.

[@jno4159]

All the trunda teams really need is block buffs and a provoker. Im sure pretty will get it working somehow

[@DarthMalgus666]

I have stated it on other channels, this affirms my stance about raid, playing it like JGigs does. So my Hydra teams will now do 300k damage and that is it.....thanks for this. And wait for GodForge to be released.

[@yinzer9397]

Plarium fails again. Non end game players are punished the most.

[@nicknauj124]

Yeeeeep

[@nicknauj124]

This won’t affect double Yumeko teams.

[@yinzer9397]

@@nicknauj124 That would be an end game team.

[@countwild3522]

There are players who spend big money to build 3 +4 6star awakened Trundas and 6 Yumekos. You think they are not being punished? And now Plarium wants them to spend another fortune on 3 +4 6star Ieyasu so they can participate in Clash. Sounds pretty rough too 😂

[@aquapuppy9838]

I'm wondering if there'll be a new meta, for newbie players to get into hydra, of nuking out all four heads with hex on opener-only, and bring only single target dps on the entire team, click on the least fussy head and walk away.

[@Vladek2265]

I have to agree.. they’ve made hydra even less accessible for most average players. It’s so champ dependent already that most people can’t even do it. I have a $40,000 account and I’m just now at the point of doing around 280m on nm because I basically don’t have any of the good supports I need for hydra. A lot of my clan struggles to 1 key nm. Krakens will still flourish and the people who were excited to finally 1 key nm recently just got a huge slap in the face.

[@nicknauj124]

Agreed. This is very stupid.

[@jvhud]

Ahh, if you have spent $40k on the game and you were only doing 280B, I don't think missing specific supports is your problem there bud

[@Vladek2265]

@@jvhud 280m not billion

[@frickxnas]

​@@Vladek2265that's what he meant. He expected you to do more. That guy cannot comprehend that if you spent on souls and books and energy u probably don't have god gear or all champs.

[@Vladek2265]

@@jvhud most of this was spent years ago tbf. I haven’t spent much in the last 3 years. I had also quit the game for a year and half right as hydra was released. I could probably make better teams but I really just don’t enjoy hydra. I only do it so I don’t hinder my clan from receiving rewards.

[@martinprovo2389]

For Demon Lord, what if you use two Wixwells, to keep growing the shield more quickly after DL's damage ramps up? 😅

[@DLKoakuma]

Plarium's mottoes: "If there is a problem, how can we make it worse?" and "Feed the Krakens".

[@roguejames]

Thank you, Saph, you always come in and saves me from the Maths....

[@kukoshu]

Hi Saph, theres something you might have missed about taunt. Taunt loops now will require two taunt champs, like Emic and Shyek, because when taunt is up the mark of the hydra is forced to go to the taunt character, when he gets devoured, the next taunt champ will have the next mark, so you have to free the first one and get back to its taunt again (That way Damage Dealers are always safe from devour). But that is just me theorycrafting on this info 14:00 .

[@sgttoxiiczz]

Using 2 taunt champs seems like a lot of real estate for not a whole lot of utility.

[@TrackMediaOnly]

People were asking for it to target the Taunt champion I didn't see anything that said it actually did. They just said it ignored the Taunt.

[@janitor8884]

I like the sound of everything except the taunt nerf, I guess taunt is only for shogun now

[@hwx48o19]

Appreciate the in depth analysis. Plarium just doesn't know how to make this game mode fun and engaging. It's fun to bash the heads down - even if it's not Trunda level damage - and to sustain in a fight due to careful use of all the buffs and debuffs required. It's NOT fun to have your run ruined because your champs are eaten without you having any chance of freeing them, because of life barrier, cleanse, extra turn, poison cloud and all the other stuff they are now throwing in there.

[@valeryprokudin1499]

As always - top notch! Thanks for the hard work.

[@madman4649]

Quick summary, so basically they just reduced the large number output of top tier comps to look somewhat realistic and not nerf'ed but obliterated everyone else. Big improvement Plarium.

[@joelcorona2746]

Thanks! Leave to our fav genius To figure it out! They destroyed all teams using Tundra as an excuse but she will still be the beast but no one else will work! Ridiculous!

[@zoptar]

yay like nr 999! great vid btw. i have a crushing rend trunda but only managed 700 mil tops! thought the change was in already but nope!

[@SimonSGI]

Good video Saph! I am sitting here with the feeling that Plarium should start doing some kind of beta when it comes to these kinds of changes, because it feels quite clear to me that they do not understand their player base or even their own game modes! They nerfed Wixwell to the ground and kicked him while he was down, but only gave Trunda a slap on the hand. And that's not even mentioning the changes that noone asked for and were completely unnecessary.

[@slickshoes334]

Instead of fixating on each individual champ or hydra mechanic, they should have introduced weekly multiplier incentives to bring new comps into the competition. Example: epic poison detonators deal x4 dmg, another week: gaellan pact champs deal half dmg, or using a rare with ally protection all champs will ignore 50% defense. This makes it so existing teams can be viable but you could compete on a new scale when these conditions are met. This allows for new team compositions without breaking things. If something is broken one week, thats okay cause it will change next week.

[@GrayBonesGaming-su8vt]

I am a low spender. These changes hit my very hard. Spent months of resources getting Shy'ek and creating a team around him. Now it is wasted. They need to buff him and other taunt champs since they took away the main reason for taunt. Made it worthless now in the main content it was used for. After they sold us Shy'ek based on his taunt keeping the hydra from eating your champs...this just 3 months ago.

[@warriorclasskravmagasamiin2634]

Yeah. This is unforgivable

[@marvingauthier2290]

Really interesting as always, now I don't use any "cheese" team and I don't see why I wouldn't be able to reach the required scores for the chests but I'm really curious to see where would the new gap settles between top team, god team even average teams.

[@SSuser-go7jm]

I think Plarium thought the Turn Limit changes would make the new devour changes ok considering you get devoured fewer times per fight, but with the new mark and decapitation changes it’s just gonna be impossible to free people past a certain point.

[@RPSchonherr]

krisk and Brogni teams are also affected by the shield change. It's not just Wixwell.

[@dbproductions1732]

Tranda is a problem for only less 1%. Now they made Hydra suck for 99% of the players.

[@ObitusJoe]

Spot on, Saph. I have made long comments elsewhere so I will be brief. I have basically said the same thing. High end hitters are fine nothing really changes for them, low/mid players and clans will potentially be getting less rewards if they were just getting chests/double chests. As well as it will take them longer to get the progressive chests. This basically lends to increasing the disparity of gear between low/mid and high end/whales.

[@Wolcik3000]

good point that life barrier which can only be locked out by provoke

[@candaceroselyse1422]

Great video! Sad to hear they’ve muffed it up again..

[@mikemacintyre7511]

The "overkill" you talked about could also affect potential hex damage as well

[@taylorhanson2843]

I appreciate the detailed insight. I'm in agreement with your perspective. I agree that Trunda needs a nerf, so I'm curious if it actually happened. It is a shame that average teams/players will be punished by the digestion mechanic.

[@Lordebok]

So we are now all aimed at getting unkillable stolen and spread, and we all shoot to try and get cupidus/venus teams?

[@Deosis]

Exactly what I expected of Plarium. Right when people start getting comfortable they fuck it up again for most people just trying to get their keys and a bit of extra dmg for clash in. Thanks.

[@Dannyb1022]

"When you don't have an answer to the problem, try every solution, including make a boss harder that was already hard with no player compensation." - Plarium probably

[@TheMythicalCelt]

Fair play Saph. Thanks for the breakdown.

[@goofball07471]

Seems like changing the scoring system for Hydra Clash would've been so much easier. Top damage person gets say 1500 points. 2nd 1490 3rd 1480. Non-participants 0 Would truly be a Clan vs Clan mode instead of 1 or 2 accounts dominating the other 148 accounts.

[@DaPenetrator_69]

Not sure how they never nerf never nerf then WHAM maximum screw the average player. Top player will be brough down but wont even notice these new mechanics😢

[@ExiledtoVampa]

My issue is one head will have the buff when it comes up with another heat at the "same time" what's considered "same time", like the exact same time? Which only really happens with the Trunda comps because she kills all the heads at the same time.

[@Wolcik3000]

I wonder if there is a visual indicator that shield has been capped or they don't bother like with Golem and Iron Twins health bar retaliation idicators

[@Bigredguy17]

Assumeing a new mythical will come out that ignores digestion and sepants wrath. Old plyers have seen this cycle before

[@karadaruk5594]

The cap on dmg on decapatated heads is the biggest problem, with most debuffs on 3 turn cooldown, killing the decapatated heads quickly means they are gonna be back so fast u won't have your debuffs back for them, especially if u are using 3 turn cooldown provoke for Decay.

[@stanleyclark923]

Here, have a comment for the algorithm!

[@lrp197803]

maybe the plan would be not play hydra until they change bits back or fix it, but how many would do that?

[@senjalle]

By choosing to change the shield rules rather than Wixwell Plarium have opened design space in the same way Saff is recommending for multi-damage abilities. Nerfing Wixwell directly would mean every future champ that increased shield size would have to be assessed against every other ability in the game to avoid a repeat of Wixwell and that complexity increases exponentially as more champions and sets are released. Capping the shield size doesn't nerf non-Hydra content while still preventing a repeat of the same problem on future releases.

[@relvid1]

the hydra teams plarium tested on was probably good teams, but look at the times the run them... 12-15 min. and they godt 280 mio. damage...how much for a full run?

[@the_DECAY_]

enemy Max HP and HP Burn just took a front seat

[@SuperHunKing]

Some CC are saying that reducing the turn limit is a good idea, but for players that can't get 7000 attacks, they can't get the high damage in the short period of time. You can get the damage for the top chest but if you are not in the 1,2 or 3rd place you will not have a chance of getting primal shards.

[@Sunray626]

For what you said at the start of the video, I think there's a different side to it: if they just nerf champions instead of changing the specific gamemodes they're broken in, then the champions may stop working in places where they weren't a problem. Basically what you say with Wixwell and clanboss. I'd say that's about equally undesirable as making one gamemode harder for everyone, so it should just be a case by case basis: Trunda and other damage repetition skills are a problem independent of hydra, therefore change those. Infinite Taunt loops are only problematic in Hydra, because they fully turn off the Hydra's core feature, therefore change how Hydra interacts with Taunt. Speaking of Taunt, I agree that this change probably went too far. What I would've preferred would've been something like this: "If at least one champion has a taunt buff, but another without a taunt buff has the Mark of the Hydra, then instead of devouring the marked champion, the Mark of the Hydra will be removed and placed on a champion with a Taunt Buff." You could reliably use taunt champions to not allow any other champion to be devoured, without just turning the feature off entirely, because now the taunt champion would get devoured somewhat regularly. (This change would mean that two taunt champions or one well-played Ambassador Lethelin could still avoid devouring entirely, but that would require a lot more work and precise timing than an infinite taunt loop does currently). Thirdly, to what you say about infinite shields and possible future clan bosses: Every single boss after the first doom tower rotation, with the sole exception of the iron twins, has had some kind of ignore shield mechanics. They next clan boss would have had that with or without Wixwell anyway. Also, I pray to god, hades, and all that is sacred that the next clan boss will not be a long-form battle.

[@sturm375]

You've just said quantitatively what I was saying in Discord qualitatively. Feels punitive toward average and aspiring to be above average players. I have little interest in rebuilding Hydra teams, and less resources to do so after Asguard stuff, to even attempt to do so. Some rotations I can barely make 1-key in normal, hard and brutal (haven't unlocked NM). I fear that this will result in needing 2-keys in either brutal or hard, greatly reducing my Hydra clash score.

[@stepanlodinsky4707]

Within the first 10 minutes of the video, I realized that with this hydra change, auto teams will never work again. Or certainly not on normal, where you never have time to spin the CD to block buff.

[@SKMiningGuru]

Saph, good video as always thanks. The thing Saph that I don't like, look the gave us Area Bonuses and now they are Buffing Hydra Basically it is a little bit suspicious to me

[@ragex2636]

I said it earlier....trunda will be 50x more damage then the next best. Instead of 12x she was above wixwell

[@sibbiq9257]

Do you think these changes could lead to a strategy for top level nuker damage teams where they intentionally nuke all 4 decapitated heads at once and, due to the combined Decapitation/Serpent's Will changes, that's 4 simultaneous respawns, 3 of which don't have any protection from Serpent's Will.

[@bacarocelli]

I told some days ago on clan discord: "they'll change a lot, to not change anything about Trunda problem", do I think that's true. They will make hydra harder for casual/new players only.

[@josephnichols4129]

I think that's exactly what Plarium wanted. A more difficult fight for everyone. They attacked every possible angle of assault to take the best strategies down. I personally thought this was all a ploy to nerf Wix in CB. I was surprised that they actually do want Hydra to be something more than what it has been.

[@sgttoxiiczz]

I think they know that they havent nerfed trunda all that much. That's possibly why they buffed hydra.

[@LucasBylw]

So if the 2nd a2 hit is always normal doesn’t that mean that force heads stop being weak hits?

[@ModernMyths]

Like you said, These changes "Hurts the average player" and does nothing to the Krakens. But then again, every time they do these champ reworks. It's always the same thing. Doesn't affect the Krakens, just the "Average Player". And it's becoming more and more evident that Plarium will always put those that pay the most while punishing those that can't.

[@SPKotN]

All they had to do was limit the mount of points you could gain in Hydra Clash to 10 times the max chest. None of the teams would have died, and us lowly mortals who struggle with Hydra wouldn't be forced to do a lower difficulty than we had been. When inevitable ties happen, the tiebreaker then becomes full points.

[@SSuser-go7jm]

Honestly, amazing job for Plarium fixing Wixwell. People will still be able to cheese CB, and now Hydra clash won’t be completely broken by that anymore.

[@anthonywoodruffe2128]

Perfectly broken down in fine detail, thanks Saph. However I thought the community champion nerf was disgusting even worse was the taunt nerf after they stated that, taunt was working as intended. All the time and effort doing these fusions for basically nothing, half my clan are on the verge of quitting the game right now because of this.

[@Goremize]

"no diversity in teams" is how these raid bosses are supposed to work to be honest. There should be the best teams for it and that's what we focus on. By trying to make it "diversity" you give us nothing to focus on and no true way forward to advance a persons account to getting the best rewards. What this does is just make the game worse for everyone and the top 1% won't even notice. You can't keep changing the Chase hero's, that just makes people leave. Instead of changing Hydra, they should have just done this stuff to the third clan boss they will release. They didn't need to change Hydra at all. What they are doing here makes no sense.

[@frankabrams1953]

Welcome to the Republican party 😂🎉. This is exactly what diversify means pulling the rug out from everyone's feet and leveling the playing field. Doesn't work in raid or politics

[@erikERXON]

@@frankabrams1953 huh? what do republic has to do with it? do you have republican derangemenet syndrome?!

[@MichaelQuick-f3m]

Max hp champs basically got a buff with the new decapitated health bar. They'll be doing double the normal damage while all the other champs will still be doing the regular amount. Change is good for them, bad for all the other champs.

[@SheepteaGTA]

I just build my hydra hard team from normal average champions. I made it to 1000~ turn count and 100m dmg and I was happy to contribute my first 200m clash points to my clan. Now, I probably will just do the minimum dmg req for normal and hard chests.

[@Marrero1]

So im in a semi casual clan. We just recently got to the point where we are killing brutal hydra... there's 3 or 4 of us that are kind of barely making it happen. You're right when you say that these changes are massively going to affect the average player, not the kraken, who are the ones breaking the game in the first place.

[@uncledave6804]

So essentially, I did the Wixwell fusion, a community developed champ, for no reason at all since what he did really well, he no longer does. Why would I build another Clan Boss team if the Myth-Fu team i currently use does the same,if not more, damage. I mean the Mark of the Hydra already killed Wixwell, the shield growth stuff seems like piling on, especially to FTP and Low Spender accounts. Mostly to newer players trying to catch up with end game. No one was clamoring for changes when the Brogni team was invented.

[@Revilo403]

suffering is going to be difficult with the extra turn and the larger devour meter, going to be a threat later on

[@TheGiltanas]

Saph: Its not poor design. Its good design. Problem with current hydra is that only new players play the mechanis (need provoke, block buffs, decrease attack atd) Current meta ignores pretty much all hydra mechanics. And they did force those players to notice them. Maybe changes are not strong enough, but that is what they want. They need you to think abount head pf decay. They want you to fear the head of blight. They want you to have all the solutions in your team and in the end it makes competition fair.

[@ThaFlugelman]

but are the req target dmg reduced for personal chests and max reward? cuz if not that will sux

[@mathewyerry2072]

Between the true fear that you can’t block or resist, the fact that there’s poison cloud almost instantly every time, and now the serpents Will is a total joke, there’s no point in even trying

[@darthrambo2274]

GJ, all wants only to nerf Trunda-Teams, and now it is, that all teams will not work, no normal player will get the loot he got before and Trunda-Teams will still rule every fucken Clash. GJ Plarium, really good work. I hope you CCs give feedback to Plarium about this facts.

[@ravageddreams7799]

Hey saph isn't it possible to now infinitely keep the hydra from taking a turn

[@derekasato9035]

Does this mean the enemy max hp dmg champs like Acrizia will be back for Hydra teams?

[@jeremyjewitt4446]

So Saph, now my challenge to you is .. how accurately are you able to predict the skills of the next OP'd champ that our Plarium overlords will soon release to become the number 1 Hydra champ ..?

[@daviddoan3288]

It doesn’t matter what they do somebody will figure out how to get massive amounts of numbers and the sad part is I just pulled wixwell the day before the so called nerf I can say he does still work for clan boss

[@rookempire3976]

Glad at least someone is being logical about these changes. It doesn't touch the whales or krakens.. it destroys f2p and low spenders. Those of us who clawed and scratched our way to do the 650M total for top weekly chest are now hosed over bad.

[@pavelmlynar2092]

Overkill - That was my first question when I saw their video, I bet it works as if you decapitate the head with 1HP now, you still get full damage counted. Taunt - useless buff now, taunt teams were not OP, I don't understand the change Trunda, Wixvel - don't have them New tactics - kill head, don't touch the neck for two turns (slightly get it close to zero) and than your main dps hit it with full strenght. If overkill works, you should do 4xdmg of head initial health and you don't give more turns to hydra. Devouring - they gone too far, I don't like the change. I suppose my NM team (cardiel, venus, cupidus, tuhanarak, krisk, turvold), which does 1,1 B now will still do around 200-300 mil., which is enough for top chest. (I do around 700 mil in turn 1000).