Hilarious and Cringeworthy Exchange Between Student Pilot and Controller at KJLN

[@Thatflyguy747]

I’m a flight instructor with a couple thousand hours of dual instruction given, this scares me. She had no business soloing. That’s 100% on the instructor.

[@canconservative8976]

Her air work is probably competent, but the safety factor on the ground or in the air with failure to comply/understand with ATC is definitely a factor that should have prohibited the solo. Missing a word and asking for a read back is ok, but it seems she doesn't understand what her next steps are in relation to what the ATC dialogue would be. Probably an instructor that did all the radio work for her, instead the instructor should have had her on the radio on her 2nd training flight (if she passed her radio license)

[@technophant]

Could or should the ATC deny takeoff clearance based on her inability to communicate or read back?

[@Thatflyguy747]

@@canconservative8976 there’s no need for a radio license in the US, and even if they did, a radio license doesn’t require any tests, just paying a fee. But yes you have a valid point, maybe her flying was fine. But ATC is half of the picture. If the flight required talking to ATC, he failed to prepare her adequately.

[@brianfeeney9493]

YES

[@canconservative8976]

@@Thatflyguy747 well that explains it... In Canada there is a Restricted Radio Operator Certificate - Aviation, ROC-A ... it cost money, you write a 60 question exam and then a one on one with a certified examiner who runs through scenarios. As of your 2nd training flight you as a student are making all the calls (and being corrected by the instructor off mic!)... so when you do your first solo you've already run through all those calls, including the calls in the pattern.

[@jcburleigh]

Hey, rail on her all you want, she did pretty well considering she was flying TWO planes (36B and 63B) at the same time!!

[@Brooke56461]

I just cackled. Loudly. 🤣🤣🤣

[@Resistculturaldecline]

That'll count toward her multi-engine IR. And quad-wing rating also

[@jcburleigh]

@@Resistculturaldecline 🤣

[@TheAndy331]

Lol !!....now that's funny !!

[@youtubechangemynamewhy]

Also taking off runway 36, landed runway 63

[@jimmbbo]

"Are you solo?" "Yes" "Taxi back to the ramp and give me your CFI's phone number"

[@pilgrimoutdoors-uk6177]

Just what I was thinking. "36B - Hold where you are, and what is your flight school?".....

[@dennissullivan7119]

Wow I have been out of flying for awhile not the best with ATC but I cringed several times listening to this

[@michaelzaug8750]

36 bravo

[@kthompmke]

Bet that controller was glad that day was over. Kudos for his patience, great job.

[@jirkamalej]

@@kthompmke He was having fun. In otherwise boring regular day :D

[@kate7011]

“expect a progressive taxi” is the most patient roast i’ve ever heard

[@chase4116]

Lololol

[@markg7963]

I wish I could get a progressive at ohare. That would be fun.

[@leef9242]

I mean it’s what they are meant to do if you are having issues. But yeah lol, my airport only has a, b, c, d for taxiways so it’s a lot simpler lol

[@kate7011]

@@leef9242 i’m just confused cuz shouldn’t she be at her home airport?? she’s probably taxied out there at least ten times 😂

[@leorossi8057]

@@kate7011 thats what i'm thinking. im about halfway through my private, and i've taxied to and from the runway at LEAST 15 times

[@NicStage]

"You didn't ask" I cringed hard at that. This controller was exceedingly patient with her.

[@zerobyte802]

That’s a horrible attitude for a pilot to have. As a pilot you accept responsibility for everything. Anti-authority is one of the 5 dangerous attitudes.

[@bigblue207]

@@zerobyte802 I don’t think it was malicious, I think it was confusion lol. She legitimately had no idea tower can’t read your mind and needs you to say your intentions. Obviously it was worded strongly but I think that just comes from poor vocabulary skills haha. I think the spirit was “I didn’t know I was supposed to tell you”

[@gillianmuspic2337]

she sounded very entitled to me

[@terrywaters6186]

The controller didn't need to and should not have made that smart ass comment. How was she supposed to respond?

[@amazinginformation2024]

@Whitney Cheated lol

[@TheHawk--oe8iq]

As a former Navy air traffic controller, this is very difficult to listen to. Kudos to controller for exercising patience & restraint with student pilot.

[@ramsheadroofing]

The controller is also previous Navy and a super solid dude.

[@pilgrimoutdoors-uk6177]

@@ramsheadroofing Patience of a Saint....

[@marcg210]

As a non controller but aviation fan, this was painful to listen to. Poor atc.

[@XiShenping]

As a current student on a navy base this makes me feel like I’m an aviation god.

[@trevor2012]

@@XiShenping that was hard to listen to. makes me want to be better

[@something7239]

I'm a student pilot and she makes me feel like a veteran with 10,000 hours.

[@FedoraSnatcher]

Haha same 🤣

[@cerleywood]

She makes me feel like a 10,000 hour veteran and I’m not even a student.

[@DJones476]

Hornet 36Bravo, call the ball... Power. Power... BOLTER! BOLTER! BOLTER!

[@ToughTitty]

Same here.

[@ToughTitty]

@@cerleywood 🤣

[@alphazulu3625]

Legend has it, she's still navigating by altimeter setting

[@rickylowry3213]

Baro vnav baby! Almost guarantee she doesn't know what that is

[@Mixolydio]

I wonder if she adjusted the altimeter after being corrected after reading it back as a vector

[@user2C47]

@@Mixolydio Given the pilot, how can we be sure she wasn't reading it back as a frequency?

[@amandam1137]

​@@user2C47 she was but they use turn for directional heading never freq change so this particular mistake was compounded

[@ddthompson42]

She's still in that 3034 degree turn.

[@SKYKOP1972]

I was an Air Force terminal air traffic controller for 20 years and an FAA terminal controller for 22 years. I had numerous days where if this students performance was the worst thing that happened all day, then life and the job was darn good. I've talked to worse. Hang in there young lady. It does get easier.

[@TheEarthHistorysConfusing]

Nice comment.

[@banjo2019]

Fair comment. ATC lingo is it’s own skill set. So is airport navigation on the fly. They require a lot of hours of study and practice. We all sound like complete morons in the beginning.

[@harate]

Wholesome

[@Delta9SFBay11]

She needs your words right about now....and great comment.

[@LeeGee]

She needs a better teacher or less money

[@Gunshinzero]

"Are you solo" "Yes sir" **Oh lord. She's about to die right in front of me**

[@chrisarena6722]

LMAO

[@PsRohrbaugh]

"Attention all aircraft - ATIS information Oscar altimeter 30.34" "OK... , turning to 3034" I completely lost it 😂

[@daveco1st]

for real, i'm a student with 8hours and i even was like "omg"

[@jasontipton8430]

That was face palm number two for the controller. after the you didn't ask comment lol

[@skykep5600]

I'd love to know where she would've turned to

[@jamesthigpen9330]

I think she was going to do 360's until the angles added up to 3034.... so ..... A while.

[@PaulTimminsIsAwesome]

@@daveco1st I have 0.8 hours and i facepalmed

[@smartysmarty1714]

Shortly after this escapade, her instructor hung himself from the tower. And not surprisingly, she's still out there looking for taxiway Bravo.

[@benjaminwilliams2359]

😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@stevenstiles713]

Unfortunately-- you’re probably correct

[@sarge6870]

...or still doing 180's !!

[@danf2]

Zomg 😅

[@Aleksandar6ix]

Yeah, not cool man. Funny....but not cool.

[@Meddock38]

I applaud the controllers patience. The instructor should have never let her solo, if she wasn’t comfortable with radio calls.

[@Spec62]

Especially at a towered airport.

[@harryroberts388]

A student pilot is allowed to solo, as long as they have accomplished their first solo examination. Here in aus, you're allowed to fly for a maximum of 3 hours between dual checks / lessons; she has a right to fly. Yes, instructor probably should've marked her as deficient in radio communication and phraseology.

[@DickCamnitz]

@@harryroberts388 And a little overconfident.

[@chobai9996]

@@harryroberts388 she's a woman, she's allowed to bypass normal rules by default of the feminazi movement

[@fanekoman8288]

@@chobai9996 hahahahaha lmao

[@jaguar3248]

Rumour has it the Controller is still banging his head off his desk.

[@nathanseliner8620]

😂

[@gamesvrtech6666]

Wouldn't be necessary if the CFI wasn't banging her on the desk...

[@georgejunior2929]

Rumor also has it that the pilot is stilling trying to get to 36 bravo

[@DJones476]

Rumor has it she's flying Super Hornets, now... "Uhh...Fox two?"

[@chrzoc]

“negative, negative That was just the ATIS info” lmao.😂

[@mikebiff]

Her response "...Okay 🤪" lmaooo

[@sarlineh]

Oh gosh. She mistook the ATIS altimeter info broadcast to all aircraft as an instruction to change frequency 🤦‍♂️. That was the last straw. This has to have been an April Fool’s joke on the controller 😂😂

[@danf2]

As,a,non pilot with no training I understood most of his commands but in her defense she is very novice. She will improve with practice? I think

[@747-pilot]

@@danf2 Being a "novice" is not the problem here. We were all novices at one time or another. As a brand new solo student, I don't expect her to be an EXPERT at communicating with ATC, but this was *beyond the pale!!* It was not just a matter of not being "fluid" on the radio, which we've all been at some point. She could not even understand basic instructions, and was misinterpreting many things, and did not have a very basic understanding of what was expected of her! Whoever signed her off for a solo, should have their certificate revoked!! Insane!

[@denisemangold2265]

I cringed at that. She should have just went back to her CFI after that.

[@Simon_B74]

Frequency makes much more sense, I heard turning not tuning and I was trying to figure out how she planned to turn to a 4 digit number, and why she expected a heading on the ground 😂

[@spoken_truth2501]

What’s atis ?

[@steveharvey2489]

I guarantee that her Instructor got a phone call from the Tower Controller on his break. LMAO

[@dabneyoffermein595]

When her instructor heard this on KZbin, he packed up and was heading for Mexico.

[@elizabethhowell8266]

My instructor wouldve raked me over the coals then sent me home to grow up before coming back XD You cant become a pilot acting like an immature teenage girl.

[@MusicmatchJukebox]

I will never know how this student managed to get her solo endorsement without even knowing the taxiways of her home airport.

[@abbiecovington6865]

Not to mention we have ONE terminal in Joplin. Our shopping mall is larger than our airport. LOL.

[@231pilot]

What are taxiways?

[@picure]

Abbie Covington lol, that explains a lot. She spent too much time at the mall rather than in the cockpit 😂

[@nutandboltguy3720]

Instructor always handled the radio.

[@TheEric1203]

@@231pilot The roads connecting the runways to the ramps (parking areas)

[@colesrk]

Why the hell is she in a plane by herself? She's nowhere close to ready.

[@frederickwhite6416]

She's the calmest student pilot flying 2 planes ever. Turning to an altimeter setting isn't the easiest thing to do either. Kudos to the ATC for being so kind and helpful. We sometimes don't see eye to eye on things. Not that I've ever argued with ATC, a lot.

[@frederickwhite6416]

@@RS-uo2nd after 14,000 hours I can't recall hearing a funnier commo exchange. When I'm at an unfamiliar AP I pull out the AP diagram and if the instructions are long which these weren't I'll ask for a progressive. If I plan to remain in the pattern I'll let the tower know. The response, " eh you didn't ask." is classic. She obviously was turned lose when a little more understanding of communication, the AP and the AP environment was clearly needed. ATC is always willing to help and keep extra vigilant when students are in the air. Oh and yes I'm always right. It's part of being a Captain. When you make mistakes people die and you look bad.

[@frederickwhite6416]

@@RS-uo2nd anytime LLMF

[@3stripeboy]

She’s probably a captain at United now .

[@DanielKezar]

Ouch.... You didn't have to KO that hard bruh 🤣

[@tjsylla]

RIP! 🤣🤭😖😖

[@Isaac-sj3jh]

Or Swift truck driver!!! Lmao

[@Galland_]

well gotta fill dem diversity quotas somehow..

[@mikebravo3527]

Ryanair

[@LimeyTX]

While the controller displays exemplary patience, the CFI who signed her off needs to be investigated. That is always assuming this wasn't some kind of pre organized hoax.

[@sonnyj8533]

FSDO is investigating him as we speak. My ATM just submitted the tapes last week. Hopefully, everyone will learn something from all of this.

[@danilodistefanis5990]

Sonny J pics or it didn’t happen.

[@StrokeMahEgo]

Hopefully it was like a "secret shopper" for ATC

[@aaronsuever2414]

@Popeye Honestly it may not be as much the CFI as you think. You can have people who are 100% spot on with the instructor, and just panic and forget everything when they get off on their own. I help babysit for Scuba checkout dives (the scuba version of a solo, the first time students get in real open water instead of a pool) and you have students who are amazing in the pool have full blown panic attacks and have to be restrained underwater to prevent hurting themselves or someone else. The human mind is crazy.

[@pgnandt]

@@aaronsuever2414 Yes some people can just choke.

[@Mikey-vx3yz]

She had no place being allowed to fly solo while she was clearly still so completely unable to comprehend the simplest of clearances or to understand that she has a responsibility to advise ATC of intentions. Unbelievable!

[@denisemangold2265]

I agree. She should have been realized she wasn’t ready. The atis made me cringe.

[@glennchartrand5411]

I strongly suspect it was a set-up. Someone at a small airport was yanking this guy's chain.

[@vbscript2]

@@glennchartrand5411 I kind of doubt that. I don't think many pilots would risk their ticket to mess with a controller like this. It sounds like she just didn't have enough practice with towered field operations. A lot of people (myself included) initially learn to fly at untowered fields and may have several hours of solo under their belt before they ever even talk to a tower for the first time. Of course, regardless of the cause of the situation, her CFI should have known better than to sign off on this.

[@glennchartrand5411]

@@vbscript2 I think it was someone with a handheld radio, not an aircraft.

[@vbscript2]

@@glennchartrand5411 The controller can see the aircraft as they're controlling it. They're not just assuming there's an aircraft there because someone said so on the radio. They wouldn't have been issuing clearances to them if it weren't a real aircraft.

[@rongrob9129]

Well bless her little pea-picking heart, she didn't sound the least bit frazzled, this must have been a normal day of confusion for her, LOL.

[@lj5673]

Best comment haha

[@fortusvictus8297]

That was my takeaway and the real scary part. I have dealt with nervous students before but when they aren't nervous but operate at this level on the norm I start wondering when its appropriate to say 'maybe this isn't for you...'

[@ToughTitty]

🤣 stupid ppl don’t get frazzled.

[@brandonedwards1181]

Classic woman.

[@chrisdurham8778]

Sadly, from the tone of her voice and her generally casual demeanor I'd suggest she is utterly unaware she's doing anything wrong. I find it hard to believe she could have held it together well enough for a competent instructor to have signed her off for solo.

[@Pilot52M]

We all screw up. But, this is a reflection of her instructor.

[@missequestrian3448]

Yeah, while I agree that this was pretty egregious, everybody is ragging on the poor girl. What likely happened is her *silly* instructor looked at the syllabus and was like “well it says your next flight is a solo” without teaching her anything about communications. That paired with nerves too... Plus, who knows the whole story??

[@82stuntman]

This is when meritocracy takes a back seat to "progress."

[@lukecole6203]

Tower:"86B I got you loud and clear how me?" 86B:"Could you repeat that?" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[@garridojared]

😂😂💀

[@adityanair5613]

Wait why cant I hear the pilot say anything? Can you hear 86B respond?

[@DanEllis]

Well it answered his question.

[@marcelmillenaar3298]

Well; the "how me" sounded just like "honey"... Can imagine she wanted to hear that twice...

[@MqKosmos]

@@marcelmillenaar3298 well, that's the normal response from tower when you initiate a radio check

[@greatflyer_aviation]

YOU DIDN’T ASK cracked me up 😂😂😂

[@ed-mb9ir]

Controller just grinding his teeth holding in the screams there

[@denisemangold2265]

I would have calmly told her to taxi back to her instructor

[@sonnyj8533]

That was me on local. I remember thinking that night, as I was leaving work, that I never wanted to think about that pilot ever again but thanks to LiveATC... well, here I am! 😂

[@jmotazedi]

@@sonnyj8533 you are a saint

[@jaguar3248]

He should have sent Miss Entitled back to parking the moment she said it.

[@stevieg6616]

He did great. I’m going to guess he’s been married for awhile.

[@Rizik1986]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@benhudman7911]

With a house full of daughters.

[@inverovenevectum6857]

Yes, working with women is rly unnecessarly hard 😅

[@Rizik1986]

@@inverovenevectum6857 Did you watch the video? Wasn't that exceptionally hard in comparison to the typical day to day air traffic?

[@LeeGee]

@@inverovenevectum6857 It really is

[@johnp9020]

Lol “you didn’t ask” wow the confidence on that little runt

[@Gry101]

Wow. My solo students were well prepared for their solos. No way would I have signed her off to solo. I would totally expect a return to the ramp and a phone call from the tower supervisor.

[@mdhsabh]

No; this is hardly a student. A Beginning student maybe, but not equipped to get a phone lesson from ATC. The call should have been GPS-direct ATC-to-chief flight instructor at the training operation.

[@MercurialTorpor]

So he is a professional controller and she is a student struggling with radio procedures. Because he's a pro, he didn't lose his cool and belittle or abuse her. She didn't crash but she could have if he rattled her more than she was already. A person in a high stress life or death situation (as flying is) can't be bitch-slapped into competence while in an overload situation - that can happen on the ground outside the aircraft if necessary. I've heard recordings of ATCs tearing into terrified students while they are really struggling - now that's really f@#ed up.

[@FiferSkipper]

Fair statement but, most of the criticism I've seen here has been towards the instructor, not the student. The instructor should resign after letting this student go to solo. Agreed, the ATC was super pro...

[@kyroking9934]

Couldn’t have said it any better

[@IopuaauahiPapale]

If you can't take the heat...

[@salter1630]

@@IopuaauahiPapale shut up with this stupid shit man. It's supposed to be training, you don't throw someone into something they're wholly unqualified for and except them to just succeed. It's so disrespectful to pilots because it creates this attitude that pilots were just naturally smart and it doesn't acknowledge the hard work they did to build the skills to become a pilot.

[@jeffmcclellan1395]

if this is how she reacts to these situations does she really need to be flying? this is the part where cfi should step in and say this isnt for you.

[@dommycool100]

"okay, tunrning to 3034' This caused me physical pain

[@AnorexicPandas]

That subtle chuckle he had cracked me up

[@stevenjones618]

I was just gonna type that lol turning 3034 hold short of xray.. even in beginning after second slower read back and she still got it wrong.. hmmm I say park at hanger and turn off key ,mags, lights lock door and come up here for a min please

[@dommycool100]

@@stevenjones618 yep haha

[@michellepane4065]

negative. negative. lol

[@DonPapito]

I had to listen to that part a few times too make sure I wasn't stroking out.

[@VarunGupta3009]

I'm just absolutely baffled at the fact that she is probably flying solo in the open skies right now with a private pilot's licence in her hand.

[@dp1582]

such a waste of the earths resources for 1 a-hole to fly a plane for pleasure.

[@krizzle4087]

@@dp1582 who made you the arbiter of "earths resources"...get off your high horse

[@ronbenjamin4351]

A d a glass of wine in her other smoking medical gonga blaming her parents for her problems

[@n1rbd]

Hopefully the checkride keeps her on the ground until she gains some basic competence.

[@bigblue207]

@@ronbenjamin4351 gonga 😂 it’s ganja haha I know it’s irrelevant but I had to say it it was too funny

[@dabneyoffermein595]

Just hearing this was enough to sell my plane.

[@farhanfouadacca]

Even Wright Brothers must be feeling embarrassed of their discovery.

[@stevengraham7574]

This controller is a real trooper for dealing with her. I sincerely ask myself how she ever got her solo endorsement. I don't know whether to be more concerned about her or the CFI... Bless her heart

[@kyleraymer5581]

I think the only thing the controller could have done different was asked what here intentions were when she requested taxi. That said said I think the CFI is the one to be concerned about. Most likely she messed up because she wasn't taught correctly. Obviously we don't know the full story though.

[@whereisthehook]

He was being nice to a girl.

[@stevengraham7574]

@@kyleraymer5581 Oh absolutely, the controller can only do his best to aid and help her, but I applaud his patience and professionalism. Yes, the CFI is concerning, but, true, we don't know the full story. We can only hope for the best for all involved and hope that she's learned.

[@stevengraham7574]

@@whereisthehook Yes, but, also being a controller with professionalism doing his best to help a pilot.

[@whereisthehook]

@@stevengraham7574 who is a girl

[@erikjacobson6551]

My god... who signed her off to solo?!?

[@aross924]

She must be really pretty.

[@Maxxclip]

I know dude 😂😂

[@waldoinaz]

Nobody knows. He went into the witness protection this afternoon.

[@waldoinaz]

@@aross924 Yeah...Pretty bitchy.

[@lordalexander7718]

​@@waldoinaz probably didn't want to be in the plane with her anymore Lolo

[@2660016A]

This is the first time in 22 years of aviation that I’ve wondered if it’s considered acceptable for a controller to refuse take off clearance and instruct a pilot to report back to their instructor due to concerns about their competency to operate. It’s as if a bratty sorority girl woke up hung over in the cockpit the morning after her pilot friend’s flying school hangar party and decided to give it a go😂

[@jerseyshoredroneservices225]

I was thinking the same thing. Mam taxi back to your hanger, I will not give you clearance to take off...

[@AmericanExplorer]

Acceptable or not, even if it was a violation of regulations she should have been refused take off clearance for her safety and that of others.

[@FlyingNDriving]

I've seen tower controllers send them back, but it was mostly because they couldn't possibly hold their hands due to volume of other traffic.

[@CMDRFlyAuburn]

Agreed. She was not ready for prime time. At all. At the VERY least "Black Square You're There" should have helped her get started here. With taxiing. Much less anything else.

[@averney8739]

i do not see anything wrong with this whatsoever. if there is a safety concern, be it a possible medical emergency, pilot possibly under the influence, or incompetency recognized by ATC, they should absolutely keep the aircraft grounded until the pilot can have a face to face with a supervisor or ground. as someone that is not a pilot, i can only hope that this a commonly accepted and used practice by ATC to keep everyone safe.

[@joncousens6958]

While I admire the controller for his patience, in my view he should have refused TO clearance and sent her back to where she started from, then summoned the CFI to listen to the tape. It is obvious that she was not competent to operate the aircraft and would probably kill herself and maybe others. Unless it was a hoax.

[@destinironwolf3770]

That was too painful to listen to all the way through. Good job on ground and ATC for keeping their cool!

[@AV4Life]

The ATIS announcement part killed me 💀

[@andrewmoore555]

I'm only 10 hours in my flight training what did that ATIS call mean exactly?

[@deathcorepyro]

@@andrewmoore555 automatic terminal information service

[@deathcorepyro]

@@andrewmoore555 its a bulletin board basically notams, weather, runway info etc

[@deathcorepyro]

@@andrewmoore555 its assigned a letter on the update so when you report in they can see if you have up to date info. And that one was assigned O hence Oscar and altimeter was give

[@andrewmoore555]

@@benjamind2764 yes it did thank you!! Goodluck to you as well. A very long journey awaits.

[@Mimsk]

That's terrifying to know there's students out there so un-prepared and I'm seriously wondering how well she actually flies.

[@Bendigo1]

Well. She landed... so aparently she flies well enough. The communication skills are not great

[@MondoRockable]

How her instructor felt she was competent to fly without the requisite communication skills is beyond me.

[@syberphish]

@@MondoRockable maybe she gave him an incentive...

[@Alex-Isayev]

You guys must not remember your solo. How your hot shit skills went out the window as soon you were off the ground. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[@petergallay2900]

@@Alex-Isayev Off the ground? She couldn't find her way to the runway! And presumably this is her home field.

[@ethanmurray2203]

Valley girl gets a pilot license, like, oh my god!

[@strangedays4]

It probably was Moon Unit herself lol

[@davidzoppa6929]

Ugh, the vocal fry too...

[@mcopilot]

Its a barbie girl in a barbie world wrapped in plastic

[@joshuahackler2184]

"Turning right on Deltuhh"

[@MotorsportsX]

in all fairness, its NOT her fault.

[@abdullahrifai6028]

ATC: Attention all aircraft. Student Pilot: reads back 😂

[@soccerguy2433]

improper readbacks, no readbacks at all, failure to understand instructions, failure to comply with instructions, can't even be bothered to have a kneeboard to write down taxi instructions?

[@lqrcntp2500]

Not gonna lie, having tail number that matched a runway# and a tail letter that matched the MOST common taxiway is a recipe for disaster...or at least a cockpit scene in the next Airplane movie

[@wbhartmanii]

One of my early radio lessons was in ..421 on Rwy 24 pattern work. It wasn't until later I realized why I kept getting tongue tied! "Clear for 2-4, 421" Clear 4 2 4 4 2 1.

[@thomasdalton1508]

It isn't a great way to abbreviate callsigns. In the UK, the abbreviation includes the G at the start, so you know anything starting Golf is probably a callsign. If the US included the N, it might make things a little easier.

[@Acrowat40]

That's a Roger Roger. Do we have clearance Clarence? What's my vector victor?

[@jaychip1]

@@Acrowat40 and don't call me Shirly!

[@Skybolt211]

I thought the same thing... I don't think being in Cessna 36 Bravo trying to taxi on Bravo and use runway 36 was helping her any.

[@BobABooey.]

"You didn't ask...." That was awesome.

[@aarohivijh]

This is why we solo. Whole different game without the instructor next to you. Do I write the instructions down? Do I use a pen or pencil? Do I need a kneeboard? Do I know a letter in a yellow box from a letter in a black box? Should I be talking or taxiing? Do I know the difference between holding and holding short of a runway? Do I have a plan or am I just winging it? It gets real, dude.

[@JR-zm2yu]

@A Vijh my Dad was a flight instructor - solo flew at 16 - that always amazed me.👍👍💜🙏

[@bradanderson3632]

Students should know these things long before soloing, though. This was a dangerous situation because of how ill prepared she was. I can guarantee her CFI always handles the radios and did her a great disservice by signing her off. Soloing will teach you many things, but you have to know many other things first.

[@jacobeastburn1406]

I actually did my solo cross countries to KJLN just about a month ago, and this Controller was great! I used student pilot when I was talking to him, and he talked slower for instructions and worked well with me to avoid some traffic and land. I just got my PPL Wednesday, but I plan on returning to KJLN before long, great controller, very helpful and forgiving of mistakes!

[@nancystanton3291]

This has to be the most understanding and accommodating ATC Controller in the world!

[@Aerosnapper]

Thank Heavens controllers have the patience of Saints !

[@benbarnes7662]

HA Mike Imagine this happening at CYOO on a day when there are 8 in the pattern like this past Saturday with the nice weather..

[@Aerosnapper]

@@benbarnes7662 yes indeed - that would be a nightmare.

[@cwdthekid]

Wrong! This pilot should have been permanently grounded, get it?

[@DennisDaNo1Man]

As a former controller, I can assure you that statement is far from the truth!

[@Aerosnapper]

@@DennisDaNo1Man that’s funny - thanks for giving us ground truth !

[@calebmiller6611]

As an instructor, this makes me nervous for my students. You can prep a student all you want, but when they go up by themselves with a tower for the first time, sometimes training goes out the window sometimes 😔

[@jimknapp8731]

Just wondering if part of training, prior to releasing a student pilot for first solo, should not include a flight / some flights at a controlled field where student communicates with ATC?

[@calebmiller6611]

@@jimknapp8731 it should. You'd be an idiot to send a student out with no atc comms work

[@elizabethhowell8266]

I am so glad I am learning in uncontrolled airspace after this lol. First time I dealt with ATC was on my cross countries long after getting used to the radio and tagging along with other pilot's through controlled airspace a few times too. I am just afraid of making my first full stop at a controlled airport lol... Imma need to stop for gas on my next flight.

[@skykep5600]

@@elizabethhowell8266 You should really get some controlled field experience. Trust me, you'll pick it up much quicker than you realize.

[@elizabethhowell8266]

@@skykep5600 Good to know, I'll get some when I refuel on my next cross country.

[@aviatortrevor]

I would not have signed her off to solo. Even if her flying was good, her situational awareness and radio work needed a lot of work. She also didn't seem to understand airport signage or how to use an airport diagram.

[@armybasegamer8859]

charts*

[@desks3674]

@@armybasegamer8859 why are you correcting him saying charts? His statement was correct saying she didn't know how to read signs or how to use an airport diagram that I am guessing she didn't have with her.

[@armybasegamer8859]

@@desks3674 airport diagram ➡️ charts*

[@brennanwilliams-bilinski5075]

@@armybasegamer8859 The airport facility directory/chart supplement has Airport diagrams for reference and taxi assistance (amongst other things). The Aeronautical Charts have no information about the the taxiways themselves and certainly don't have any detailed depiction of the airports.

[@VeteranSoldier]

@@armybasegamer8859 plays MSFS2000 and thinks he know sit all

[@joeys8701]

I assume part of her confusion at the initial taxi route may have been that her call sign ends 36B and the taxi clearance started 36 via Bravo.

[@scottmeischen3287]

I’ve heard some very interesting ATC exchanges with student pilots in the Dallas area before but this one takes the cake!!! I was laughing most of the time!🤣🤣

[@ajellsworth377]

About 2 1/2 min into the video and I can’t watch this anymore. Really makes me feel a lot better about my radio calls

[@denisemangold2265]

Same here! I know the difference between ATIS and actual instructions

[@gustafpeyron]

@@denisemangold2265 Very impressive, Denise!

[@nathansharp3193]

She must have had an Uber bring her to the airport prior to this flight because there's no way she is competent enough to have found it on her own.

[@christiansendra3610]

I think I saw her driving today. She nearly crashed into me and ran a stop sign before grabbing a number 1 meal at Chick-Fil-A.

[@danizweifler6061]

funny ?

[@noblevengeance312]

Bold words coming from someone who has a slow crowd killer in their pfp

[@clickbaitpolice1750]

She’s no longer driving a plane after this haha

[@christiansendra3610]

@@noblevengeance312 😂😂😂

[@AndrewOvenden]

The whole time I listened to this I was thinking of Bob Newhart’s classic “driving instructor” comedy routine. Give it a listen and tell me I’m wrong. 🤣

[@joebuckaroo82]

I'll admit that when i was flying (got priced out of it) that radio comms were probably the hardest part of flying for me--as I believe it is for many pilots. But this exchange was just painful. She clearly was not ready for solo.

[@aaronsuever2414]

This is why I spend so much time on Vatsim. It's SUCH an amazing tool for training because it gives you that realistic communication and task loading. And after you do it on vatsim so much you sort of lose that terror that comes with talking to real ATC because you just feel like you're talking on the discord.

[@Aerosnapper]

I hope somebody spoke to her instructor !! Not entirely her fault she’s a hot mess.

[@cyberpilot717]

She's obviously sleeping with her CFI. She's the PIC. It's 100 percent her fault.

[@cwdthekid]

YOU must be the owner of the flight school accepting her payments! Reply: Blank stare

[@lebojay]

@@cyberpilot717 You managed to thoroughly demonstrate the depth of your critical thinking skills AND your misogyny is just three short sentences. Impressive!

[@Debilitator47]

@@lebojay Yeah, the assumptions I see being leaped to in this comments section. All we know is she's bad at radio handling, and yes, not ready for solo. That comes down to training, her instructor is as responsible or more for this. She's just not ready, and that's a trainer's fault for making a bad judgement.

[@saborwolf]

Is a controller allowed to deny clearance to someone they feel is 100% incapable of safely flying? Because if so....

[@aaronsuever2414]

Yes, but they do need a really good reason and they usually only do so if you're slurring words and sound intoxicated or having medical issues. I've seen a few cases of them telling someone to land and get medically checked out before they're allowed to take off again as well.

[@JasonOPlays]

You know full well a colleague in the tower is desperately ringing the flight school.

[@tdubsfilmroom5746]

"ATIS info Oscar, altimeter 30.34" "Uhh ok turning 30.34..." "NEGATIVE, NEGATIVE"

[@UTarcher72]

This is painful. CFI should have never let this person solo. Not experienced enough and is a danger to self and others.

[@ThatCodeBlue]

The exact same person you’ll see driving and texting.

[@danizweifler6061]

nope...; wrong conclusion (or funny joke ?)

[@stevegiboney4493]

On my solo, my instructor had me pull up to the tower, then he got out and said, go make three takeoffs and landings. Not what I expected to hear that day. He went up into the tower(Paine Field, Everett Washington ) to keep an eye on things. I got instructions to taxi out to alpha 4, I went past it and the controller didn’t notice .... he ratted me out.. so I got nervous ( like I wasn’t already) and proceeded to make four takeoffs and landings... he razzed me all the way back to our home airport 20 miles away. But it was a great day I will never forget!

[@itsMC411]

My instructor randomly got out of the plane as well, and made me do 3 takeoffs and landings in January. My leg was shaking so bad

[@joematties7557]

I've recently returned to flight instruction and always struggled with radio. Thankfully my new instructor gives me all instruction as if he were a tower ordering me around and makes me respond accordingly. This has been a huge help in getting comfortable with the radio and has allowed me to focus more on paying attention to aviating.

[@enricoangelini7629]

The controller is amazing and should defintely be awarded for his competence and for being sooooo patient...incredibly good ATC....

[@Aerosnapper]

Some days a controller must feel he should have called in sick 😷

[@kenriehl7852]

Frightening that her instructor ever approved her for solo... What’s even more frightening, is that she doesn’t appear to have enough sense to be concerned about her own apparent incompetence ...

[@CrossWindsPat]

That's the scary part.

[@AncientFlight1]

Neither did Daffy Duck, her instructor.

[@kenriehl7852]

@@AncientFlight1 Pretty sure that’s what I said 3 months ago

[@AncientFlight1]

@@kenriehl7852 Confirmed. Good copy.

[@asdf072xxp]

ATC: runway 36 via bravo delta charlie Pilot: 36 via bravo, pinecone, jellybean ... uhmm ATC: ... expect progressive taxi lol

[@denisemangold2265]

I'm ashamed to say I laughed out loud at this. lol

[@scotdor]

I'm not ashamed to say it, lol

[@donnewby2368]

I'm rolling on all these comments, after already balling my eyes out hearing the audio

[@stevenjones618]

Should we put on all the lights????? Nooooo thats what they will be expecting

[@donbeissel2965]

This is a very easy taxi to do at JLN.

[@bigman55434]

How in the heck did her instructor clear her to solo? She is clearly clueless and unprepared….in any respect.

[@deanalaska1]

"Be ready to copy a telephone number to give to your instructor"

[@joshreed638]

I love when ATC is calm and patient. Man. I asked approach to repeat my altitude assignment one time and they had a huge attitude.

[@dip5174]

💀💀

[@ZsomborZsombibi]

What a miracle that controller had no heart attack after the second taxi readback...

[@jhopkins213]

Controller: "Cessna 36 Bravo, I have a number for you to call. Let me know when you're ready to copy. We need to have a looooong talk."

[@dave_yeg8596]

The dreaded "Call the tower".

[@BxCortez2050]

imaging all those turns she would have done after taking that number

[@aire111]

He will have to give her progressive calling instructions though.

[@jhopkins213]

Cessna 36B: "I have a boyfriend."

[@TobiasLeininger]

@@jhopkins213 hahaha

[@harrythecod7976]

I played it again just to be sure. Yep, not one single R/T transmission or readback was done correctly. How the instructor though it was acceptable to release her is beyond me. Still, no doubt in 5 years she'll be in the right seat of a UPS 747!

[@Romey43623]

If the student pilot had a clue, she would be scared to death.

[@Isaac-sj3jh]

Who in the world would allow her to leave the ground and endanger others and herself!!!

[@denisemangold2265]

If I were flying, I’d get out of the pattern and wait for her to be on the ground before I landed. Her situational awareness is lacking.

[@jwboll]

I can't wait to fly with her as my captain in my next United Airlines flight!

[@stefanderech1476]

You wont get off the ground, will spend 10 hrs taxiing around trying to get progressive taxi and try to find the runway, not to mention if you do get airborne it wont last long due to wrong altimeter settings 😂

[@747-pilot]

You won't have to wait for too long. United is getting right on it as we speak!! 😃

[@saborwolf]

United wouldn't hire her. Ryanair, however...

[@denisemangold2265]

😂😂😂😂

[@jwboll]

@@saborwolf You haven't heard? United has switched from "equality of opportunity" hiring to "equality of outcome". The new goal is to hire 50% women/oppressed/minorities. I'm foreseeing a drastic change in qualifications required to land in the Captains seat with a hefty political goal like that.

[@steven95N]

These are the people we share the skies with. Bravo ATC guy, for staying calm.

[@rapid13]

This would be my greatest fear in going for my license: making an idiot of myself talking to ATC.

[@danieltoms4065]

You wouldn't be this bad, agree with others who can't believe she got her solo endorsement

[@mattboggs]

She broke the number rule for pilots. She didn't sound cool on the radio.

[@mattboggs]

*number one rule

[@RealBucketman]

This hurt to watch. I do feel bad for her though... nobody should be put through that when they aren't prepared for it.

[@n1rbd]

I don't. She obviously thought she was ready or she would have told her CFI she needed more time.

[@RealBucketman]

@@n1rbd not if her CFI pushed her into doing it. You have to think that she probably doesnt know any better.

[@n1rbd]

@@RealBucketman I would hope that a cfi would not push someone into doing a solo at that level of incompetence.

[@mh1972ga]

Forget her, imagine the instructors incompetency that signed her off to fly. Whew.

[@zeea320]

She should NOT have been allowed to take off....pure liability ....god help if there are other traffic in the pattern or she has any type of emergency.....completely NOT ready. Absolute credit to ATC for their patience and professional attitude.

[@denisemangold2265]

If I was in the pattern and heard this, I’d be concerned for my own safety. I’d get out of the pattern and just fly 360s until she was on the ground.

[@zeea320]

@@denisemangold2265 but you shouldn’t have to, as it’s not an economically viable decision , and also you are possibly compromising your safety in a number of ways. Flying is an inherently dangerous situation, which is why everyone is expected to be at a certain “basic” level...this pilot was far from it. I am not being derogatory in any way, simply stating she is a liability, and it’s her schools fault for allowing this person to be there.

[@denisemangold2265]

@@zeea320 I agree with you. I'd be nervous if I was in the air near this person.

[@sonnyj8533]

@@zeea320 I was the controller on the radio that evening. The only, and I mean "only," reason I didn't kick her out of the pattern was because for the majority of the evening, she was my only traffic. Had this been 2-3 hours earlier when I was much busier, I would not have been able to accommodate her. Still, though... that was very draining Lol

[@zeea320]

@@sonnyj8533 Hats off to you sir...your job is very stressful and complicated, and let’s face it we pilots have an ego 😉.....this pilot was new and still training.....when she said..”you didn’t ask”....that shows a lack of maturity not skill...and that’s not your job to teach her. For that one reason I would would have told her to go back and whistle dixy. Must be a millennial generation thing I don’t know 🤷‍♂️.....have a lovely day at work sir.

[@calebf.kirkpatrick9290]

How in the world did any CFI authorize her for any solo flight? This is ridiculous and dangerous. She needs more instruction and practice with a CFI onboard.

[@nomdeplume2213]

Jfc your telling me she had all that confusion before departure?!?!?! This man is a saint... I would have snapped long ago

[@WorldTravelA320]

Shortly after landing they gave her a number to copy. Followed by the controller coming out of the tower and smacking her with a wrench.

[@DustyLambert]

“Tower, Can I like taxi to the Starbucks? What do you mean you don’t have Starbucks? Ew. I can’t.”

[@billgerhauser3831]

this controller is a champ! with the patience of Job

[@thatoneweirdkid1843]

Gotta say, I’m glad I trained out of a bravo airspace. It got me real familiar with atc communications. I did respond for other aircraft a couple of times, but got forbid I at least knew how to taxi and read back instructions

[@benjaminredmond812]

ya... thats gonna happen.

[@robertdennard615]

Pure and simple some words need to be had with her instructor... she might be good at stick and rudder. But 1 communication is a big part of aviation as is listening... and for those of you say well she's a student and nervous.... well learn to control it and manage it, until then you are not ready to solo. Now this I don't put on her I put this on the instructor. My instructor just hopped in and sat next to me like a passenger and said let's fly like your flying a friend and do touch and goes... when she felt I had it she said I gotta grab something let's taxi back. She slapped my solo endorsement in my log book and said "do 3 full stop taxi backs and tell the tower student solo for 3 full stop in the pattern" in this case the student may have been able to aviate... but navigate and communicate were not ready.

[@MrMarkguth]

My biggest fear is making a fool of myself to the controller, I feel better now

[@dylan6474]

LMAO right... I start solo cross countries next week, I'm 1,000,000 times more prepared than her

[@denisemangold2265]

And I was nervous at my mispronouncing uniform. I said unicorn.

[@whoever6458]

That's a pretty damn good controller! The pilot will get the hang of it. I can understand being nervous.

[@thomasroachtravel]

Atc "contact tower on 119.8" Student: "ok" Me, a student: "wrong"

[@UltraWeebMaster]

I was visibly disgusted every time I heard her say “Ok” and I haven’t even solo’d yet.

[@thomasroachtravel]

@@UltraWeebMaster same on jah lmao

[@neithere]

I don't even plan to learn but felt almost physical pain every time

[@IronHexacyanoferrate]

There is probably about 10 more years until I’d be even remotely able to afford anything resembling a private pilot license, and even I cringed at that a bit.

[@aaronsuever2414]

@@UltraWeebMaster You'd even get called out for that on Vatsim. How in today's world where all of this can be practiced for free before you ever get in a plane is she so bad at this.

[@joro18d93]

Oh Heavens, I can't believe this girl was signed off for a solo at a controlled airport. I wouldn't solo her from a private field. I hold the CFI responsible for this.

[@JustPlainRob]

Wait, is the runway AND the call sign 36B? That would throw anyone off. It also sounds like she's having trouble hearing ATC sometimes. Student pilot headsets are notoriously shitty and she's probably in a loud AF Cessna 152 from 1970.

[@matthewbryson2349]

Doubt it. She comes from a rich family. Probably has most expensive headset you can buy.

[@NofaKingway]

Controller did a great job at the start especially, recognised the pilot couldn't get the taxi instruction right so was going to give them step by step. Kept an eye on them when they went passed their cleared route... only so much you can take tho.