Himiway Experiment: 40a Controller Upgrade

Experimenting with a 40amp controller on my Himiway Zebra. Trying to increase the power of the stock motor with a controller upgrade,

[@groovr22]

I think a range extender is a great idea..! Congrats on the upcoming wedding.!

[@2fasttjm972]

Let's go with the Himiway kit 👍🏻

[@CitizenCycle925]

Alright 👍

[@Nigel-mx2zb]

Performance upgrade for the Ariel Rider 52v X Class would be sweet. Note - the X Class recently sold out during a sale event so lots of potential customers.

[@corykayhoe1033]

Congratulations on the upcoming wedding. Your website is looking good and your product is fairly priced.

[@laplantemichel709]

Congratulations to you and the misses on your upcoming wedding .You guys make a nice couple .

[@schaind11]

I'd buy a plug-n-play for Himiway in a second.

[@CitizenCycle925]

Great to hear 😃

[@sobriquet50501]

same, i have 2 zebras and would upgrade both.

[@gauravgunjikar1]

Same here! I have a zebra st and cobra …. Looking into your awd kit as well. This is good stuff man! Love you videos

[@CalebSailing]

Me as well…would be stoked 🎉🎉❤Himiway Cruiser

[@klstearmer]

I’d love to see a build to get a cobra above 35mph…

[@vapingcrow9944]

Need this for Aventon Adventure

[@Hoggdoc1946]

You are correct the windings determine the maximum RPM the motor can produce per volt applied to the motor this is referred to as KV in brushless motors. Therefore to go faster you need to increase the voltage in the battery and BMS supplied to a controller than is designed for that voltage. The extra amps supplied by the new control account for the faster acceleration as well as better hill, climbing power. But those advantages can be limited by the maximum amount the BMS allows the battery pack supply to the controller.

[@DYNABIKE1]

HIMIWAY all the Way - - - - YES do it !! I have a new Zebra. - - - Congrats on the marriage.

[@robanderson5624]

Congrats on the upcoming marriage!

[@CitizenCycle925]

Thank you!

[@scurtiszz]

magicycle cruiser kit!!

[@jasonwheat5242]

I'm interested in the range extender and the upgraded controller for the zebra!

[@robertbrooks7936]

I’m so happy that you are offering this kit. I would definitely order one. My bike already have a 52v 17.5ah battery. I been looking for this set up since they made one for the Rad Rover e-bikes. Tell Mrs CitizenCycle I said good job and congratulations, great way to hang in there.

[@CharlesHouston-y5r]

Upgrade for the x class 52v would be great i have been wanting one since they had the jack. Cecil controller i know you can do better than that love your video's congrats on the wedding thanks

[@opnheartscrub]

I would love a 40 amp controller for my himiway cruiser. It should run much cooler than maxing out the stock controller especially if it would also function if the hall sensors failed due to heat or whatever else. I know some controllers do not require these sensors to be hooked up. Riding in the woods can really heat up the whole system pretty quickly. I go on multi day camping trips on mine where it would be a long way for this disabled body to walk out for help. I would also be interested in a front hub motor kit to help with hill climbing and pulling through wet and muddy areas off-road. Thanks for all you do here and congratulations on the beginning of the new chapter of your lives together!

[@keepingitreal4894]

Congratulations my friend one of your first subscribers. I'm so happy for you and the wife❤

[@JP-nx2wr]

Hay Bryan, you just answered on of my questions in my email about the wattage dropping of at 30mph from 910 watts to 550watts or so. Guess it happens to this bike as well as my trail step elite. Another great video .... JP

[@sammyjames1929]

Congrats Bryan and Ruth🍻 60A waterproof controller for the wired freedom would be great. I did your shunt mod for the wired 2024 freedom it's amazing. Told wired what I wanted to try it, so they sent me over a new controller to try out the shunt mod. Wired is really a cool company sent it over no charge they are the best. Looking forward to your upcoming wired segment😁

[@CitizenCycle925]

I'll be making a video about wired freedom upgrades in the next couple weeks, major announcements coming!!!

[@sgtchitt1]

love your channel, just wondering if you heard what the may upgrades will be for the wired freedom. cant wait for next weeks announcement , thanks.

[@CitizenCycle925]

just received the new Wired bikes yesterday. I will start filming tomorrow. should have a video out this week to go over all the major changes, and there are some big ones!.

[@sgtchitt1]

@@CitizenCycle925 yea , cant wait, spoke to dan today he would only tell me (A little on the performance side as well as something we think everyone really, really wants. ) cant wait. thanks for the reply. take care and be safe.

[@jeffcombes2101]

I have a Zebra step through! Yes on the Himiway!

[@moonshotsilver]

Bryan I think you have both in one right here 1) A range extender, extra battery 40 amp controller and a display. And at the same time you have upgraded performance when using your kit. If I bought your kit I would use it for the first part of my ride and when the battery is just about empty I can unplug the main power lead and connect back into the stock Himiway Zebra controller and battery. In my case I have the KD718 display so I would only need to order the 40 amp controller and your battery. I like the front motor setup as well but the cost will be much greater to change the front forks and order front wheel with motor. As you are not posting overseas I might even give this a go myself. Thanks for the idea. 👍

[@geraldvassar7760]

Nice job, himiway focuses on long rang bikes . So they use the 22 Amp controller in most of there bikes . But myself I like the speed . I'd like to see you up grade a D7pro mid drive . And a cobra updated with a thousand watt motor . It comes with the same 22amp controller ?? Also what model display are you useing in this video.?

[@Mark_Maguire]

Congratulations,, and great content as usual. I love tinkering vids.

[@bretburt7317]

Business idea for you - make a front motor kit for 20" bike wheels. I don't have the $$ now but imagine a P51 with a front motor! Love the range extender idea. Congrats on the upcoming wedding.

[@CitizenCycle925]

yes, 20in front kit might be next on my list, just need manufacturer to send me a sample for testing. maybe soon though..

[@Zomby_Woof]

@@CitizenCycle925 or consider something built around Truckrun FW29/RW29 motors. Geared hubmotors actually built for 1500w each. You can get them on Alabama, but not aliexpress. And they are very inexpensive. For someone putting together kits, these would be a good product to get behind. That could change of course. With increased popularity, they might jack prices. Or competitors might start building higher powered geared motors.

[@Goesriding]

Congrats Bryan! Great video! 👍 I have a couple questions. Does the pedal sensor also work with that controller? What is that adapter called? Whats the name of the end on the motor? What the name of the end on the controller? If you need xt60 for the battery, simply cut the wire and solder xt60 or any other end to match. If you use dual motor you will surely get 37mph or more.

[@tomt.1747]

Congratulations to you and Ms. CITIZEN

[@christianwhite1771]

A range extender be a great idea, keep up good work an big CONGRATULATIONS to you an your wife🎉

[@johncastagna9279]

Any chances of a 1000 watt rear hub motor? Yes I would be interested in a 40 watt controller and of course plug and play. Thank you for being so inventive.

[@andrewford9974]

Most of those fat tire 1000 w bikes have a 30 amp BMS but will still output much more for short Burst and there's probably either a XD60 or Anderson plug underneath the battery mount tray. Usually just a couple of screws 🪛

[@CitizenCycle925]

Hmmm I'm gonna have to look under that battery mount tray.....

[@Hoggdoc1946]

@@CitizenCycle925 You will need to open the battery to maybe be able to see the specs of the BMS. Maybe Himiway would be able to give the specs.

[@robertkamen6369]

Magicycle 26" Deer. It's almost a duplicate of the Himiway bikes.

[@ThePixelatedPerspective]

Congratulations on the wedding 🎉

[@pdleyland]

Magicycle Pro?

[@alk7934]

I have a question, and you seem pretty knowledgeable about this whole ebike thing. If you upgrade the controller on an ebike it is my understanding that you need to change the display as well? I am asking because I see plenty of controllers for sale on the internet, but most do not come with displays. Are there universal displays? Is there some way of knowing what display goes with what controller? It is a bit confusing. Also, if you did not want to go with a trigger throttle, can you change over to a twist throttle? Do the connections need to match up, or are they fairly universal. If you had any input I would really appreciate it. Thanks!

[@alk7934]

By the way. Yes. Serious holes in the upgrade market for ebikes. Would be a good idea to fill that gap and take the mystery out of it all.

[@JuNpwr]

Hey man, I purchased the cruiser 2-3 years ago after watching your video. Do you think this controller would work with the cruiser ?

[@IMBruceECLECTIC]

Congratulations!!!

[@kevinfaherty9887]

Congratulations on upcoming wedding.

[@moonshotsilver]

Yes for the Zebra and hopefully shipping to UK. Have a lovely Wedding and hopefully honeymoon Bryan.

[@georgeballow7028]

Brian - yeah range extender is something I’d want. Have an old AV Soltera that I wind up pedaling home just about every day. Congratulations on your upcoming wedding.

[@michaelhorton6166]

That more powerful controller sounds awesome for an Aventon Aventure.1 kit. For range I have spare batteries. Congratulations on the wedding.

[@brentpolk8331]

Philodo H8 & Jumbo! Stop leaving the little guy out...

[@Vicki-gz3vt]

I am now starting to love the extra power. I have a meelod dk 300 max. I would love to know if I could upgrade the controller. I know my controller is a single 44 amp powering both motors. Do you know if this bike could handle a bigger controller? I would love to buy a more powerful controller and a nice bigger color screen that mounts in the middle. I love your videos. I bought 3 different bikes from watching your videos. Keep up the good work!!

[@MumfordJim]

Congratulations to you and Mrs Citizen. I would like a good way to carry a 2nd battery. It is not that important that the 2nd battery is hooked up. I can always stop and exchange the batteries. I have several e-bikes and have 2nd batteries for 2 of them. The one I do not have a good way to carry the second battery. The battery is removable but integrated into the frame. If I had a good padded bag that could be strapped to the bike rack that would probably work. I need something like this when I go on longer rides. One more thing the bike is a step thru, so no crossbar.

[@WALLACE7084]

If you had a kit to plug and play to the original himiway cobra battery I would be interested.

[@kevinfaherty9887]

I would like to see a power upgrade(plug n play) for Aventon Adventure 1st model. I'll check back. I bought an extra battery for range but it would be nice to have more acceleration n power to hold my own on the road with cars a little betterer.

[@DASell-uz6xg]

Does this same setup work on the cruiser? Also, looks like you only lost 6mph, pretty damn good. And congrats!

[@Ebikepowelevel5]

I am wanting to blend the stock 48v and the 52v with your kit using a batery blender . I would like to see you blend the batteries with your kit for range

[@trsdamocles]

I want to upgrade kit for my walkie H6ST Max. It already has a 28 amp controller but I want a little more oomph. The problem is the original controller has a 5-pin throttle/horn combination and that would have to be swapped out also. It has an 1121 motor connector and a xt90 power connection.

[@alexapostolos]

I didn’t see the motor upgrade kit on your website. I’d like to get one for my radrunner plus

[@terrynelson2385]

I would be interested in your front wheel kit if it were for a 20 inch wheel, specifically for a Megacycle Ocelot. And I would like to replace the controller to get rid of the auto-cruise control -- I hate it.

[@johns5504]

Congrats! I can see it now, you free haircuts, Mrs Citizen free e bikes!

[@CitizenCycle925]

thanks! haha

[@johns5504]

@@CitizenCycle925 You got it!

[@6431harry]

I have a Juiced Ripcurrent S model. It has the 750 watt motor. It would be nice to have a upgraded controller. On the new 1000 watt juiced bikes you can get the upgraded controller. My buddy has the Juiced 1000 watt motor with the upgraded controller and he always leaves me in the dust.

[@boblane5169]

I would definitely be interested in any upgrades for my Himiway!! I have already put on a 52 tooth front sprocket, changed my rear gears to 11-32, relubed my gears, running Tannus liners, running tires at 22 lbs. Was thinking of changing tires to more of a street tire. I don't think I can do the dual motor even though I have a spare 52V and 48V batteries. If you build a kit for the Himiway I have three questions. What would the kit include, what can I expect for increase, and what would the price be? I have hit 33mph on a flat pedaling my behind off...

[@Zomby_Woof]

You can do dual motors, but it makes sense to do it correctly. Change out the current controller for something designed for dual motor support. Most programmable controllers support this with thr controllers communicating via can bus. You use your existing throttle going to one controller designated the master, and the throttle signal is then relayed to the 2nd controller. Some controllers (anything vesc based) also give you the option of limited slip, so if one wheel slips, the throttle signal to that wheel is reduced. Slippage detection is just too much differential in rpm between the two wheels. Having two throttles is unnecessary and a dangerous distraction.

[@moonshotsilver]

​@@Zomby_WoofI like his dual motor setup because if one of them fails then the other should still get you home.

[@Zomby_Woof]

@@moonshotsilver So does a normal dual motor setup. In fact, I'm on front motor only after I smoked one of the craptacular oem controllers in my bike. I have a pair of fardriver controllers on order. You just don't need two throttles. Yes, a throttle can fail. Lots of things can. But throttle failures are uncommon enough that the distraction and awkwardness of two throttles outweighs any theoretical benefit.

[@gaelewis6623]

Love your videos!My question is what bike that's affordable I can use for just riding to my deer hunting lease? 500-1000watts that can go up hills good?

[@kbstuff19]

good luck with the wedding logistics. would like a controller upgrade for the fabulous emx extreme rear motor.

[@rjattorney3677]

Are you going to figure out a way to add a front motor to a 20” fat tire? I have the “Juliette” and would be interested in adding a front tire motor to it.

[@Altema22]

I don't have much to say since ActivityPhoto explained it so well, and your motor will naturally draw less power as it reaches it's KV rating. The workaround is field weakening, but you need a controller that supports it, and field weakening does not play well with battery blenders. Too bad we are not neighbors... I could whip up any adapters you need! When you use the stock battery, you need to pay attention to the wire gauge coming from the battery and the controller. They only make it as thick as necessary, and on my Radmini for example, they used 16 gauge wire and it almost melted during my early days of experimentation!

[@Goesriding]

Do you know what the end on the himiway motor is called?

[@suzannebooth6394]

Hey Bryan, I have been viewing your videos for a while, is there a way to boost my ride 1 up 700 to go faster?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Not sure, if any upgrades for that bike, never had a ride1 up.

[@bellyacres7846]

wow so much in these great ebikes! and seeing you have fun with it is good to see. I have a couple Favoto ebikes a discontinued fearless step over [its a fun one](maybe? a copy of the early Himi cruiser? maybe?) it has a 750 W Bafang hub motor thats fine for me. I like slow low impact trails and dirt/gravel roads (Im in North Idaho) and the less traffic the better. my Cur is at 20 on the display & has a mediocre/stock controller that Id like to swap out to around 30A ? then run cur about 25 or so. my hope is to make it a better grade 23% climber as it is its ok, but falls out on the 20+ % grades. my other is the flurry 2.0 750w hub mother same battery and a 22A controller same 48V 14ah battery. it does much better on hills & goes up grades to my surprise. its display Cur is set to 20A the flurry is still being sold & looks like a himi also. [the quality of these is a nice surprise to me] in the future I might get a better brand ebike, But these are my 1st ebikes and I see they might be made into something a little better (?) speed is not my great concern as I ride trails & top speed of 20 is fine for me. Id like a better climber. my average putt along is 11 to 14 mph (I like to look around) the journey to me is something to enjoy. kinda want to stay 750 watt and be accepted on USA trails, just to look good ;) feel free to email me as Im wanting to upgrade these & maybe convert my mtb bike with a mid drive. ;)

[@JohnnyTF-ey8sj]

Definitely make an upgrade controller for the Himiway cruiser. My KD 718 controller went out and I'm back to the Himiway display, which tops out at 28.6 MPH and the motor is definitely not topping out. The KD 718 gave me 32.5 in pedal assist 7. I believe that's what it does to boost the speed. I cannot get 32.5 with throttle only, but ya make the controller and I'll buy one for sure and throw it into the mix

[@TheTcat1000]

And congratulations Bryan

[@joeberginc7415]

You're right. The faster the motor turns, the less time it has to pump those amps in. On a steep down hill, with the throttle full, it uses no amps

[@joeberginc7415]

This is why people go up in volts to get a few more hits per second. Also why high speeds are very inefficient. There are many magnets and only a split second to energize each step. You get 36mph with the wheel hanging only because the hub motor only needs a tiny bit of torque with no load.

[@anthonysuarez7416]

Good video! You should remind people that their battery's BMS might not be able to allow for 40A discharge (usually that is getting close to the limit of run-of-the-mill stock ebike batteries)

[@Dmlowe1969]

Do you make upgrade kits for the 48V Aniioki A8 Pro Max? I have the 48V Aniioki which is perfect for range can't lie about that but the torch on the throttle is terrible. I need a lil more power and this 48V bike will be great. How much do you charge for kits if you do make 48V kits and how much Capacity do your battery have? Thanks for your help in advance!

[@IMBruceECLECTIC]

Fabulous Road Warrior XT AWD......it comes with those 2 17 amp...... need more amps.....

[@WaffleStaffel]

Once the bike is up to momentum and you are no longer accelerating, it requires less current to maintain speed. Less current = lower wattage. This will happen at any speed you settle on.

[@ryanf2782]

I have an M2S All Terrain 750 step thru and have been trying to find a plug & play controller to upgrade to! Stock is 25a. I would LOVE IT if you could help with modding those bikes! The 750w Bafang motor on those is custom wound for top speed, so they’ll get to about 30mph on flat ground, but they lack the pickup and low end torque in my opinion. If I could fix that issue, these would be fantastic bikes! If you aren’t familiar with M2S out of N Carolina (I think) then please check them out and see if we could mod them!!

[@CitizenCycle925]

I am working on creating a universal 40a Controller that will work with any 750w geared hub motor. I will keep everyone updated. :)

[@ryanf2782]

@@CitizenCycle925 That would be awesome if you could make a universal controller to upgrade any bike! Please let us know if you make it happen!!

[@Mark_Maguire]

Any chance you have a link to that adapter? My bike is not a himiway but appears to have the same motor plug and I can't find a better controller for it.

[@aen45basshunter96]

I have the Himiway cruiser there first bike that they came out with and was wondering if you know of any upgrades for it controller, motor etc…. Just wondering

[@LydonLewisDoUbLeZz]

Definitely aventon and himiway range extenders! Aim for like 2 to 3 time longer on throttle only if possible, because we already know that the pedal assist will follow!

[@CitizenCycle925]

okay. It would be an additional 20ah pack

[@LydonLewisDoUbLeZz]

@CitizenCycle925 sounds good, hell already better than the stock battery!

[@keitherdman3148]

Himiway escape, would love to purchase a plug in 40a controller for it. Let me know if you have one!

[@TeamWolfPack-USA]

I’m not happy with my Aventon Level 2 with torque sensor..so I was thinking can a torque sensor be replaced with a cadence sensor without changing the entire system ?

[@MisterSal9895]

Can you make one for aniioki bikes specifically the AQ177 Pro Max. I will buy one!

[@ricks7123]

I also have a 20" by 4" with autocruise. Is there anyway to get rid of it? The bike is a Vitilan U7.

[@tristan.jester78]

Hi, where can I get just the controller? I would be interested to buy one for the factory battery. Let me know

[@clintwedel5704]

My Ripcurrent S Stepthru doesnt support the Juiced upgrade controller, but want more if and keep the Torque PAS!

[@drrhino4938]

If you built a kit to upgrade my Aventon aventure (1.0 version) to a 40A controller using the existing display and PAS system, I would definitely buy it. Even if I had to switch out the display, that wouldn't be the end of the world either, especially if it gave me more control on how I want to set up my bike. As long as the throttle still worked and the PAS system still worked, I would be all in.

[@Thomas-yr9ln]

Do you sell kits to make a three wheel trike a all wheel drive.? I don't know if that's possible.

[@whatsinyourear]

Electro Bike World has a 35 amp upgrade available for the Himiway, would prefer to purchase from you.

[@bolo3831]

What about a hipeak bona? Might be a bit low scale for you.

[@David-rr4rr]

I would be interested in one for a Kepler, if the battery can take it

[@ajcoot]

Make a Kit for the Aventon Aventure 1. These bikes have more to offer than what the stock controller provides, plus owners of the Adventure 1 and 2 have been restricted recently because of sneaky firmware update

[@stangross8617]

Freedom gears are metal and plastic. Do they make it for himiway 750 motor?

[@stxrobstar]

I'd love a plug and play upgrade for my EUY S4. And congrats on getting married 👍

[@JP-nx2wr]

I'd like to see a controller upgrade for Fabulous Trail Step Elite

[@stangross8617]

I have the zebra, I changed the display to unlock the limiter. Now, I want to change the controller and motor to bafang 1000w. Also, are the meral gears avaliable .

[@keitherdman3148]

What about a Cyrusher Kommoda? 40a controller kit for it?

[@Antitux]

I’d love to do a controller upgrade on my Aventon Aventure 2.

[@eugeneledbetter6690]

I would be interested in an controller upgrade for the Ariel Rider X Class 52v.

[@CitizenCycle925]

okay, good to hear, i am trying to figure out a universal way to do it.

[@TheTcat1000]

Any updates on these new kits?

[@gaelewis6623]

Congratulations on getting married!

[@StevenBrewer-pb4ld]

I would like to see a bafang rear hub motor with one of your 40a controller and 52v battery upgrades

[@CitizenCycle925]

I'm attempting to make a universal 40a controller that will fit any 750w geared hub :)

[@DanielLopes-kv4sp]

It used to be back in the day open territory with parts. Now it’s proprietary so what do we do? Watch your channel. Keep thinking, experimenting and informing. Also all best for making the big decision to get married👍

[@EpicKook]

Any C5 power upgrades/mods?

[@frankhaag6232]

I’d like to see a kit for the rad five city late model controller thank you

[@omnipresentvideo7686]

My stick Zebra does 28 mph with me on it. Im 210 lbs. My son, at 130, can go 32 on flat ground. It would be interesting to see what this upgrade would to.

[@jimbosadventures184]

Any new info on the ship date for the kits?

[@CitizenCycle925]

Finishing up manufacturing, they should be on the ship in early May. Once I have the date they land in port, I'll let everyone know. 😁

[@ThePaulcollins1]

Aventon AA2 upgrade would be Auesome 🇨🇦🇺🇸🇨🇦🇺🇸

[@bearclawev1678]

Maybe you should sell a rear motor,controller and screen kit for the common fat tire bikes to work with their integrated battery's. Mainly aventon aventure 2 bike. I have a level 2 and aventure 2 bikes. And I have a 24 wired cruiser and just with the other 2 bikes could match its power.

[@keithpegg7825]

E bike ideas. Brakes shutoff should be okay to operate both controllers from one brake shut off. Front and rear 5 volt is 5 volt. Worth a try maybe? 40 amp controllers Great idea make both the same and change fuse in Himiway to 60 amp. Other bikes unknown. Operate front wheel at PAS 1 all the time and a low setting and then will help off the line a bit more and you can add power when needed. Change displays to both the same for rear and front drive. Volts 48 to 52 back and front will work great. Or 48 and 48. On Himiway I found a 52 or 48 volt 15 to 20 amp battery that is a triangle bag and looks like it would work on the Zebra. On Amazon. Thanks for the great shows. 75 years and still ride.

[@hanschristeler2392]

A question. Would the kit I purchased for my 2024 wired freedom also work on the brand new wired cruiser?

[@CitizenCycle925]

no, the fork dropout is different, new ones are thru axle