Hip-Hop's Subgenre Problem

[@ceromundo]

Seems like Mainstream media calls any black artist with a HipHop swag a “Rapper”

[@shimeih2287]

They call Jeremih, August Alsina & Bryson Tiller rappers 🤦🏾‍♂️🤦🏾‍♂️

[@WestsideGunna]

Same with Anderson .Paak and 6lack

[@shimeih2287]

@@WestsideGunna exactly

[@takodachamberlain]

FOR REAL... y’all remember when ppl used to call Akon a rapper?😂

[@nathanbilotta1112]

@@WestsideGunna 6lack calls himself a rapper I believe

[@vandean]

Rapper: kendrick Not a rapper: Supa hot fire

[@edwardkoschinski7340]

vandean underrated comment

[@fizzygiraffe]

😂

[@youngjizzlord4783]

other way around kiddo

[@witherman4]

@@youngjizzlord4783 r/woooosh

[@youngjizzlord4783]

David Corea shit I didn’t realize the joke o literally just got it

[@jaydeegreat88]

"Im a rapper" *Proceeds to sing their whole career*

[@user-yd4fu5mh7z]

Jayden Amazing trippie redd, juice wrld, lil mosey, roddy ricch, lil tjay, lil tecca, polo g to name just a few new school “rappers”

[@jackk9420]

*YK*

[@mrq.1236]

Cough cough Chance the RAPPER

[@jaydeegreat88]

@@YxngE so...rap and sing

[@PinFraiser]

Right lol

[@FreestyleBeats]

What about mumble rap, grime, drill, trap, lofi, oldschool, country-rap, cloud rap, trapsoul etc.?

[@FreestyleBeats]

I looked up wikepedia and there are couple more: Gangster rap Alternative hip hop Alternative hip hop Avant-garde hip hop Breakbeat Boom bap Chap hop Chopped and screwed Chopper Christian hip hop Comedy hip hop Contemporary R&B Conscious hip hop Country-rap Crunk Crunkcore Cloud rap Drill Electro hop Emo hip hop Experimental hip hop Freestyle rap G-funk Gangsta rap Ghetto house Ghettotech Hardcore hip hop Hip hop soul Hip house Horrorcore Hyphy Industrial hip hop Instrumental hip hop Jazz rap Jersey club Latin trap Lo-fi hip hop Low Bap Neurohop New jack swing Political hip hop Pop-rap Porno rap Ragga hip hop Rap opera Rap rock Rap metal Snap music Mumble rap Stronda music Trap Trip hop Turntablism Underground hip hop Urban Pabbsifika Alternative hip hop Avant-garde hip hop Breakbeat Boom bap Chap hop Chopped and screwed Chopper Christian hip hop Comedy hip hop Contemporary R&B Conscious hip hop Country-rap Crunk Crunkcore[Note 3] Cloud rap Drill Electro hop Emo hip hop Experimental hip hop Freestyle rap G-funk Gangsta rap Ghetto house Ghettotech Hardcore hip hop Hip hop soul Hip house Horrorcore Hyphy Industrial hip hop Instrumental hip hop Jazz rap Jersey club Latin trap Lo-fi hip hop Low Bap Neurohop New jack swing Political hip hop Pop-rap Porno rap Ragga hip hop Rap opera Rap rock Rap metal Snap music Mumble rap Stronda music Trap Trip hop Turntablism Underground hip hop Urban Pabbsifika

[@Dante_tea_v]

@@FreestyleBeats half of it ain't even official.. i mean explain wtf is porn rap!

[@FreestyleBeats]

@@Dante_tea_v I didnt look at every subgenre they listed on wikipedia. Even when there are a couple unofficial subgenres in this list, it still proves my point with all the subgenres that ARE valid,

[@Dante_tea_v]

@@FreestyleBeats never said ur right or wrong bud ✌

[@TheSecondC2]

No, g4y hip hop

[@Moshuun]

For one “Hip Hop” isn’t a genre. It’s a culture. So, everyone is under that. After that’s established, then we can name Rap as the genre & go forth with all of our Rap sub genres.

[@johnindigo5477]

Like how it's Said anyone can rap but not everyone can be hip hop.

[@andyjebson4976]

I disagree. Hip hop is the genre rap is something you do like singing. Singing is not it's own genre it's just something you do. There's other genres outside hip hop where they rap like grime,nu metal,Jamaican toasting ect.

[@andyjebson4976]

@Lloyd Frayne I think toasting and rapping are simular enough that you can lump them together.

[@polkaputo3226]

nah. hip hop is definitely a genre, rap is a vocal technique. saying rap is a genre is like saying singing is a genre.

[@sahulianhooligan7046]

To me, hip hop as a distinct instrumental genre was invented by Rick Rubin and Run DMC. Everything before that was Funk/Disco/EDM beats with rapping on it. But there was no hip hop instrumental until Rick Ruben started "reducing" beats.

[@DHawkBeats]

“Allowing for branches to grow instead of fighting to keep things at the root makes for a more beautiful tree” Such a good quote

[@glokeef3399]

In the thumbnail: -J.I.D lyrical -Juice WRLD melodical -lil pump mumble -lil nas x country -chief keef SOSA

[@sebycalin6659]

Why Lil Pump mumble?i understand what he says. Mumble Rap term is very wrong,there are maximum 5 rappers who people could not understand. And if it's called "mumble" only because the 'rappers' are singing or they have not lyrical meaning on the songs it is not right.

[@sigurdvickery3523]

Lil Pump doesn't mumble lol

[@misternegative4918]

@@sebycalin6659 he doesn't mumble, people just use that as the insult of artists music if what they do seems to not require talent

[@MiniMight]

Lil pump is punk rap

[@israelluceromusic]

I think you could argue Playboi Carti is the biggest mumble rapper in the game right now. Considering he actually mumbles

[@RÅNÇIÐ]

Progressive Technical Neoclassical Symphonic Avantgarde Rap

[@tfos993]

I'd pay to see that

[@jghifiversveiws8729]

What.

[@theirishpotato6588]

I need that.

[@medici__]

Lmao wtf would that even sound like

[@nicholaskrivda5321]

ᛞᛖᚾᚾᛁᛋ ᛏᚱᛟᚹᚨᛏᛟ so, mumble rap?

[@helloyassine]

Great video man, this is a term that encompasses so much that it’s necessary to have more terms that aren’t insulting like “mumble rapper”. People just seem to use that term to cover a huge variety of artists that sound so different.

[@EBRIOx]

helloyassine what’s poppin tho? 🔥💪🏽

[@shauncameron8390]

@@EBRIOx LMAO

[@theflaggedyoutuberii4311]

48 Law is trash

[@lyricsanonymous9036]

True hip hop - the stuff that ignited the unprecedented global expansion of the culture & artform in the 90's...will always be in the Underground. There are a few emcees here and there that are able to bring it, but for the most part...its been bastardized. This is no coincidence-it's by the design of the Main Stream Media. The elites can't just shut down rap music-it would simply amplify the very thing that people from every corner of the planet relate to the music's message of resisting and rising up from oppression, tyranny and injustice. Silencing the genre would feed into that narrative, so they've come up with another way to bury the lyrics; force rap music back to where it came from. The Main Stream Media has successfully muffled hip hop's resonating voice through the unintelligible, non-freestyle, three-word bar "rappers" such as Migos, Lil Pump, Uzi Vert, Lil Yachty, Kodak Black, 21 Savage, Designer, Young Thug, etc...The MSM has uses these girl jeans wearing impostors to emasculate hip hop's male identity and image. 360 deals are empowering & encouraging talentless parasites to continue producing Atypical sounding songs that the MSM's radio affiliates push as rap music. This is a manufactured, false generation, deliberately meant to appear unsophisticated, underwhelming and odd to the point that the real hip hop industry has virtually condemned them.

[@Daromania24]

The Flagged KZbinr II naww that shit has really changed certain things in my life man ngl

[@novatheraven]

Lyrical Rap Mumble rap Country rap Melodic rap Trap Concious rap Christian rap Horror-core Gangster rap I think these are good catergories so far

[@josecervantes7295]

Gangster rap is also a popular sub genre

[@afrosamurai9087]

and strap 😂😂

[@italianstalian331]

Lyrical rap is not a genre .. country rap can be lyrical , mumble rap can be lyrical , horrorcore can be lyrical

[@theofficialX3NO]

BartSimp Son yeah i agree with that lyrical should just be an option in someone’s lyrics

[@zombiegameruk]

The fuck is Christian rap? thought Rap music was 'the devil' along with rock and roll 😂😂

[@TorionoKnowsBall]

This is a great video and concept I truly agree, it should be broken down similar to a family tree

[@princessosheyy2644]

100% agree

[@hosammajed5915]

There ARE subgenres in Hip Hop, but they're not used frequently like in rock and metal

[@accordintojordan4250]

There’s already sub-genres West-coast, drill, trap, scream/metal rap, etc There just needs to be MORE sub-genres. But sadly, I don’t think they will ever fully be established in hip hop

[@N4orEditor]

i dont think sub genres are gonna work because a lot of artists make music thats different enough to be considered a sub genre

[@PeteS_1994]

Accordin' to Jordan I would rather the artists aren't constrained by subgenres.

[@accordintojordan4250]

How exactly would that “constrain” them?

[@PeteS_1994]

@@accordintojordan4250 Because fans may learn of the subgenres then expect certain sounds, styles of mix from certain artists and in return artists may find it easier to constrain their selves or may learn music production and rap in a more constrained way, expecting certain results rather than just playing with sound. I think there is a balance between categorising sub genres and making a genre open to a massive vairety of sound. You see more experimentation with the latter, but categorisation makes it easier for the listener to find what they want.

[@accordintojordan4250]

Dude, that’s already how things are right now. You think of Juice Wrld, and you expect that sad and emotional vibe, you think of Lil Tecca, and you expect that upbeat catchy shit. Sub-genres would just help us separate different types of rappers. The fact that Eminem and Lil Mosey can be classified as the same type of musician fucking hurts my brain. And that’s not a diss to either of them, it’s just that they’re music sounds nothing alike. This is why subgenres should be a thing

[@tylong4107]

I been saying this. Every genre of music gets a sub genre except hip hop. The term hip hop doesn't describe all the diversity today.

[@ajfreeney]

The UK scene doesn't have this problem, although it is admittedly much smaller and easier to keep track of. Chronologically, there is Garage, Grime, Road Rap, UK Trap, AfroSwing, Trapwave and UK Drill. There are a few songs that could come under more than one of these categories or even none of them but it all comes under UK Hip hop/rap.

[@Pablo-uq6tr]

Pop rap- A pop stlye form of rap created by Andre 3000 Rap more focus on you singing along then hardcore lyric Early example MissJackson Outkast , Ja Rule what would i be without you, 50 cent window shopper , and everything Nelly

[@ianhenry6874]

Pop rap has been around before Andre 3000's heyday

[@Demsky83]

@@cmdr_doom No it ain't.

[@ianhenry6874]

@@cmdr_doom Rae Sremmurd is more like Ying Yang Twins and LMFAO

[@moneygame9675]

You mean Lauryn Hill...... She started that pop rap 😂💀

[@GottaBeCarefulWhenIDip]

Black Freddy “everything Nelly” lololol

[@truzzprod.8191]

Y'all really milking JID on your thumbnails now huh

[@beck6505]

Hip hop is a culture and at the same time a story like hip hop is actually an underground culture because in addition to rap, hip hop itself has always been a political aspect to name poverty and criticize the system, which is why there was a certain structure that hip hop with graffiti or with breakdancing associated because that was the origin. Nowadays it is almost no longer possible to criticize the system or to show off weapons or to show off what drugs you take. That destroys the culture itself and people increasingly associate what the beat is and isn't what you want to express and if you look at how other countries rap, it's more anti-social than political problems. And because of this anti-social rapping, rap wasn't one of my favorite genres when it comes to drugs or weapons just not good anymore

[@gaboronem8615]

I Always said there are three sub genre Rap: Joyner Lucas, Logic Hip Hop: Cole, Kendrick Hip Pop: Drake, Post Malone And so forth

[@TheFallenXL]

Hip-Hop ain't a genre tho its a culture

[@isaacgr7314]

Loool how are you putting logic and Lucas in rap they hiphop swap them around

[@lyricsanonymous9036]

What about Gangsta rap? Political rap? Hardcore hip hop? Abstract/alternative rap? Horrorcore? Trip hop? G Funk? Boombap? Crunk?

[@gaboronem8615]

@@isaacgr7314 I feel like Hip Hop has a culture and although both these guys are great rappers they're more of an after thought

[@gaboronem8615]

@@lyricsanonymous9036 I admit that my view is flawed but it hold some merit Gansta Rap - Rap Political Rap - Rap Boombap - Rap Crunk - Hip Hop G Funk - Rap I don't know what hardcore and horror core and trip hop are I'll be sure to check it out ( Any recommendations? )

[@mitchiegotmovesy7635]

Rap is the artform. Hip-hop is a genre. You can rap and not be hip hop and you can be hip hop but not be rap

[@Imjustbored2023]

Facts everybody on this list is rappers but very few are hip hop

[@TheNaz1996]

Even though there’s these different trends of dances come through every so often, the art of breakin is still very much alive, and it grows across the globe constantly, the level breakers have reached is beyond crazy ✌🏾

[@Crimzonbreaker]

Naz Islam I miss the days when dance was creative and free flowing. Now kids/teenagers hardly dance and mainstream dance moves are trash.

[@cyber-bully5063]

1. Trap 2. Lyrical 3. Joe Budden 4. Boom Bap 5. Gangsta 6 Melodic 7.Lofi 8. Technical 9. Latin Hio-Hop 10. Conscience Just off the top of my head

[@necobankedup]

Old skool, g-funk, psychedelic, meme rap, battle rap, whatever rage against the machine does , emo rap, chicano rap,

[@OfficialDaVIZIONARY]

Amen

[@cjthibeau4843]

Amazing video, as someone who loves talking about language, how we talk and the words we use, and hip-hop/rap, this is super important and relevant. I'd suggest looking deeper into this! Like maybe some collabs with SoundField or Volksgeist on YT (some of my fav music related channels) and do more talks on this. Love your vids and great shit as always man!

[@aryamazandarani6373]

Eminem, Biggie, 2Pac, Kendrick Lamar, J Cole, Lil Wayne, Ice Cube --> Lyrical/Conceptual rappers (rappers who use their lyrics to convey messages and tell stories through slick wordplay) Rich the Kid, Young Thug, Gunna, Lil Baby, 50 Cent (kinda)--> Mumble rappers (rappers who use a slurred type of delivery to convey more of a club type sound of music than lyric-heavy songs) Post Malone, Juice WRLD, Lil Nas X, Drake, Run DMC, MC Hammer, DMX, Flo Rida, Lil Jon --> Pop rappers (rappers who make music that stay true to hip hop but appeal to the mainstream and usually make music with the intent of being played on radio stations or tv commercials) Eminem, Kendrick Lamar, NWA, Ice T, Run DMC, Busta Rhymes, Lil Jon --> Hardcore hip hop (hip hop that involves agression and hardcore rapping) NWA, Ice T, 50 Cent, Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg, 6ix9ine --> Gangsta rap (exactly what it sounds like) 2 Chainz, TI, Young Thug, Gucci Mane, Migos, Lil Jon --> Trap (southern hip hop that can be categoized as club/party music) Eminem, Joyner Lucas, Twista, Busta Rhymes, E-40, JID, Tech N9ne --> Chopper rap (rappers who predominantly have a fast-flow kind of delivery in their music) I personally think "melodic rap" doesnt exist because that would just overlap with R&B or Pop. Artists like XXXTentacion or Yk Osiris (yes i only know him because of XXL) have a singing type of aspect in the majority of their music

[@ThaLedg]

But rap already has subgenres though... Here are some off the top -Boombap -Gfunk -Trap -Jazzrap -horrorcore -trapmetal -nerdcore -chopper -grime -Drill -cloud rap -Hip Pop -Hyphy -Crunk -ect ect I honestly don't understand how you can run a hiphop channel and not know about all different the subgenres

[@ThaLedg]

@@NoName-yy3wb I'd say hip pop Songs made for the radio basically

[@jatraveyonscott7541]

Hip hop doesnt need a sub genre Hip hop is the meeting point for sub genres Any genre of music can be flipped to hip hop. Sooo... There u have it

[@Papercut625]

Not true. Hip-Hop has it's origins in sampling of other genres and songs yes. But that core is alongside the "Boom-Bap" sound that was the other half to that equation.

[@theR0ck3tsumm3r]

I like that 3 lane theory that Murs made... Hip Hop Hip Pop Pop There should also just be a sub categories called Trap Emo Rap Shit can be set up like metal is in iTunes. Instead of Rock/Metal It can be Hip-Hop/Trap

[@jodiodi333]

But that still excludes some people. What about experimental acts like death grips and clipping

[@theR0ck3tsumm3r]

willcop same thing. A category for that as well. It can literally be just hip hop. They are the definition of hip hop and I’m not even a fan haha, self expression regardless how anybody feels about it

[@N4orEditor]

@@theR0ck3tsumm3r what about people like tyler the creator? i dont even know where he would fit

[@theR0ck3tsumm3r]

GXD at the end of the day, it’s up to the artist! Bro can literally pick Hip-Hop/Neo-Soul if he wanted to

[@N4orEditor]

@Emma XTC you mean shiloh dynasty?

[@skullsouljah2836]

Main hip hop subgenres with examples Old school (Grandmaster Flash) Gangsta rap (N. W. A.) Trap Rap (TI, Future, Gucci Mane) Hyphy (Blueface, E-40) Drill (Chief Keef, Lil Reese) Emo Rap (Lil Peep, Lil Tracy) Melodic Rap (Lil Uzi Vert, Young Thug) Crunk (Lil Jon, Three 6 mafia) Trillwave (Yung Lean, Bladee) G-Funk (Dr Dre, Snoop dogg) Experimental (Death Grips, Jpegmafia) Rap Rock (Run DMC, Beastie Boys) Punk Rap (Xxxtentacion, Zotiyac) Boom Bap (Nas, Mobb Deep) Trap Metal (Scarlxrd, Zillakami)

[@Iraxvii]

Ragecore, Emorap, Trap, and Melodic Trap are all genres that a lot of the people in my community associate with... They are all subgenres of hip hop to some degree...

[@akeemheyward]

Loving the constant uploads my brotha😎

[@TheFallenXL]

yeah... with the same lame ass beat on the background they've had for 3 years now

[@TenthElementGraphics]

I seriously make this point CONSTANTLY. Walking up to a fan of Kendrick Lamar, Eminem, Tupac and saying "Oh you like hip hop music, you must love Lil Yachty, Lil Pump, 21 Savage" is like walking up to someone who is a fan of Blink-182, Maroon 5, Coldplay and going "Oh, you like Rock music? You must be a fan of Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth. In Rock music, no one compares Cannibal Corpse to The Beatles, they immediately know that it's a ridiculous comparison to make. So why do they go Tupac: Rapper, Lil Yachty: Rapper, Tech N9ne: Rapper, Lil Xan: Rapper. Those are ridiculous comparisons.

[@furrybproductions]

It's because of this that I don't even try to find new music anymore. Everytime I want to find MY "The Mars Volta" I'm given a "Coldplay" or a "Judas Priest"! Not to mention I've gotta hear those "bands" everywhere I go. When I'm in the mood for those kinds of songs, I'd like to be able to find them, and when I'm not, I'd like to find my "Protest The Hero" easily.

[@WestsideGunna]

Rap already has sub genres though

[@TheAlicea413]

Agreed, but many people don't make the distinction. Especially, those who don't listen as frequent. We have Trap, Krunk, Mumble etc but to the outside ear it's just Rap, the same way a lot of people look at loud instrumental music as just Rock.

[@whoisjjcarr]

@@TheAlicea413 Let's not call it mumble. Melodic maybe. But no one's mumbling.

[@parsifal40]

@@whoisjjcarr very true most modern rap is just not lyrical not really mumbling plus its been around since the start of rap

[@abstractrealitytim9672]

@@whoisjjcarr vro playboi carti and future both mumble .

[@jakerobertson8832]

Abstract Reality Tim Obviously, but mumble rap is a dumb term. Melodic Rap is a better term for rappers that are not necessarily lyrical and go for sound

[@cbrocafe]

I always thought rap stood for Rhythm And Poetry.

[@joshzpipos1]

Clif Brohn it does

[@OfficialDaVIZIONARY]

Exactly

[@mrsplashman8308]

Clif Brohn yeah but what he’s saying is that all of the music these people make has rhythm and poetry but it doesn’t actually belong in the same class

[@BitchChill]

I just found that out

[@tatu8663]

Rap is slang for talk.

[@suchafknladyyy]

Ugggghhh I'm tooo dam early it's no comments 😲😳

[@jaydeegreat88]

@Anakin Medina spittin fax

[@suchafknladyyy]

@Anakin Medina lol riiiight 😅😂😂🤣😭 cus that shit was so random...

[@TheAlicea413]

I, really, appreciate this topic. I listen to a lot of genres and subgenres but to the outside ear it's all too similar. I say I listen to Rock and Metal but to anybody who listens to Rock and Metal, there's no just Rock and Metal. I feel the same about Hip Hop and Rap; even Hip Hop and Rap are separate entities. With subgenres to Hip Hop, it'll be more convenient to market and research individual sounds.

[@TheAlicea413]

Technically. But then Rock is a subgenre to Blues

[@TheAlicea413]

@Luke Wilson melody, cleanliness of instrumental, tempo, vocal ranges, complexity/simplicity of sound design etc

[@TheAlicea413]

@Luke Wilson by the way, you were great in Idiocracy lmfao

[@TorionoKnowsBall]

Who’s y’all top 3 rappers right now? Mine are Kendrick, J. Cole, and J.I.D. Just my taste and personal top 3, Tyler and Carti round out my top 5 as far as my favorites

[@nbabackcourtmedia]

PrettyBoy Jimmi for favorites it’s Ski, Tech, And J Cole, with Kendrick and J.I.D rounding out the top 5

[@connorreid3596]

PrettyBoy Jimmi ye, jid, k dot (Kanye number one jid and Kendrick interchangeable)

[@rasmusolsson9640]

Mine are Logic, Matt ox and Convolk

[@forgiveme6017]

J.I.D, joey badass, and young thug

[@akeemheyward]

PrettyBoy Jimmi J.I.D, Kendrick, and NBA YoungBoy but my top list always mixes out so idk

[@tranewreck123]

Hate when ppl call new age rappers "mumble rappers". They clearly understand them but dont like the artist and call them mumble rappers as an insult. a REAL "'mumble" rapper is Future, i fw some of shit music but he really mumbles

[@sophonborrowedtime415]

Until you acknowledge the "emo trap" wave, no not the juice wrld's and the trippie redd's I am talking the underground stars like convolk, drippin so pretty, guccihighwaters, yung van, guardin ect, don't talk about sub-genres. These artists are the true embodiment of sub-genres of rap. Guardin doesn't even consider himself a rapper but still fits into this underground scene which reflects almost no signs to the majority of rappers other than the trap instrumentals they tend to use most of the time.

[@a.r.s978]

If they’re known for sing songy flows more than lyrics I call them a harmonizer. They’re not really singers but create Melodies with their voice. So we got MCs, rappers, and harmonizers.

[@DreKnowWell]

I’ve had this discussion so many times with people

[@saintarj4552]

Bro on god, nowadays the only subgenres are lyrical and mumble. We need to really break this shit down

[@ernieyt7942]

Rap is not sung, it is a spoken. Rapping is speaking words with a rhythmic pattern. It's just cool to be a rapper these days so some people embrace it, only to benefit from it (eg. Post Malone).

[@JoseRamirez-yg6vu]

Man I’ve been saying this for years , finally someone made a video to it

[@yungfoxxxxx]

Love the stuff you guys put out. Topic are different 💯

[@duanein3d]

Dude you are doing incredible work with these videos. Congratulations.

[@EZdelFresco]

I think for the most part with hip hop it's just a "if you know you know" thing when it comes to distinguishing artists, styles, and sounds.

[@DomesticOlammy]

You guys need to stop baiting me into watching these videos by putting J.I.D on the thumbnail.

[@keithcreatesmedia6503]

🤣😂😂 True

[@legsluvashhmoney]

exactly

[@keithcreatesmedia6503]

@@legsluvashhmoney I like your user Name. It's creative 😃

[@BitchChill]

He was in the video

[@TheDANGERFIELD12]

Facts they keep gettin me

[@cristianserret4190]

Rap has sub-generes the problem with these sub-generes is that some are arguably NOT hip-hop

[@KeganTheTowel]

As someone who spent years trying to sus out the differences in the subgenres of hardcore punk, which is a subgenre of punk, which is ITSELF a subgenre of rock, I recommend yall don't fret over it. It's unimportant, and just when you think you have it figured out all the branches will cross over again.

[@90spapii15]

Agreed, drake used to be a rapper back in the day until he switched up, he also isn’t a full fledged pop star cuz pop still resists him so he’s somehow stuck in the middle.

[@aidancahill131]

Drake's releases omerta, money in the grave and and he's not a rapper? Maybe both but he's definitely a rapper

[@italianstalian331]

Pop isn't a style pop is popular ... And drake is the most popular on earth or one of them therefore he is a pop star

[@abel8454]

@@italianstalian331 Rap is the biggest&most dynamic genre right now. And just cause Drake songs work outside of hiphop that doesn't mean he isn't a rapper

[@italianstalian331]

@@abel8454 u can be a rapper and still be a pop star ...

[@kayproper966]

Pop resisting Drake is like Honey resisting Bees.

[@AngelA-nu7xg]

Now this is a movement I can get behind

[@Antomoxetine]

I listen to black metal and i fuckin love uzi my guy so saying that people who like rock don't listen to uzi is a understatement

[@romello4913]

No truer words have been spoken

[@yoda9109]

This is a cool topic for discussion, imo Rap has quite a few sub genres but none of them are really applied. The only ones that are used are ones that have slight dismissiveness to them “mumble rap” “sounds cloud rapper” “old school”. Lots of these terms just flair up peoples preconceptions on artists/music. It would be great to get some useful, non disparaging sub-genres in rotation. I think emo rap is a useful term for people like Juice Wrld, XXX, lil Tracey etc, because they are heavily influenced by emo culture and the sounds of those 2000’s bands. This also shows in their work and it’s a useful sub genre for us to use to understand and explain these artist 👌

[@43scout74]

Its not that sub genres don't exist, its that was don't use the language weve been given to accurately describe these artists.

[@tochiRTA]

It's more about the nuances and feel of the record, especially when it comes to the 'hardness' of the production. J Cole, Kendrick Lamar, Future are pop RnB acts disguised as hip hop acts. J Cole and Kendrick make soft, singy songy music (J Cole especially). Kendrick is a little more 'weird' in presentation but his whole sound is designed to be hot with casuals.

[@Leodoesthings23]

tochiRTA TPAB was casual? I don’t know bout that vro

[@Drarkiee]

Adding sub genres to rock killed rock. Not saying its good or bad but once you have large subgenres it gets more broken down. I saw a video once saying that the future is “mood” playlists. Not sure if I believe it but i know myself personally I categorize music myself by “moods”

[@ilovewafflez]

Lil uzi's vibe gives you that rockstar feel like hes on top

[@Bendanna93]

@@imayhaveadhd You didnt have to think that way.

[@imayhaveadhd]

@@Bendanna93 I work on a navy base. That's how all these sailors joke around lol. I was never like this 10 years ago hahahah

[@Bendanna93]

@@imayhaveadhd oh I gotcha lol

[@xohades305]

why not just call em artist?

[@TheFallenXL]

cuz painters are also artists

[@jaydeegreat88]

@@TheFallenXL damn i aint even know that

[@_jimmythesaint]

I just say musician

[@realjoshb]

Cause that would be to simple

[@o.a.47]

Just too vague. People always say we need to get rid of labels but labels can be useful.

[@Treyleelee]

Another Great Video

[@Control_Khaibasen]

In the histoty of HipHop. None of the Subgenres were really named by artists themselves. For instance, Ice Cube said that NWA reffered to it as "reality rap", but the media coined it as gangsta rap. No rapper called it mumble rap, but somehow, that is the official name.

[@michaelwatkins8167]

This is a good topic Remember when hip hop and rap where once classified as separate genres hip hop at that time was more jazz driven like #diggableplanets #blacksheep yes even the team LOD #keithmurray #enigma was #hiphop rap was everything else. As the music CONTINUED to evolve the terms fused together. The beauty and power of rap is that it cannot be categorized and therefore trying to create sub genres and agreeing to defining them the force of hip hop will not be contained

[@georgebad4229]

Ok what about cloud rap, mumble rap, grime, lofi hip hop, trap rap, new jack swing, old school, country-rap, country- trap. West coast, east coast, southern rappers are all well defined sounds. Glitch rap, nu-metal, scream rap noise rap are all very prevalent and defined rap Genres.

[@charlesnwarren]

Don't apologize, don't explain. It's a sign of weakness.

[@riccorich]

Term pop itself isn't necessary a specific genre, more a transcendent term where a popular song or element transcends its typical enviorment.... also Pop is short for Popular, as in popular music... popular music technically is not genre specific, although many over the years have tried to label it that way, it changes over time by the demand of what the audience of that particular time dictates...

[@jarredmorris9749]

y'all got a good channel but this is one of the better vids I've seen

[@TshoCa]

Great take right here

[@whooked]

back in the 90s people used to sing on hooks too for example "bone thuggish ruggish bone" so all these melody's happening with rapping along with it . its basically the same thing . your not a rockstar

[@SmokinAcesProd]

Seems like we only talk about getting rid of the term rapper only when we speak of a certain caliber of “rapper”.

[@Bendanna93]

Well they're doing more than just rap after all. And they're young and not wise more often than not. So it only makes sense.

[@DangerEraser]

Fantastic analysis. Eloquent as always

[@TaktikalAttention]

Here’s a slept on Subgenre of rap/hip hop that needs more love... *L* *O* *F* *I* *R* *A* *P* Aka my genre of music

[@nbabackcourtmedia]

There’s already some sub genres for rap but there might need to be more

[@lyricsanonymous9036]

@Hyper Dragon Anaconda psychedelic? Isnt that the same as trip hop?

[@ilyluxia]

Emo rap Melodic rap Trap metal Country rap Cloud rap Horror core Bubblegum rap Mumble rap gangster rap Trap Drill Ignorant rap Meme rap Christian rap Grime Party rap Pop-rap I feel like this is a good list of some of the main subgenres atm (I'm not including lyrical rap because lyricism can technically be applied to any sub genre)

[@awsomeboy360]

We live in the information/internet age where you consume way more music now. That means people are naturally exposed to more music (of different styles, Candace, sound,etc). As a result, we have is a mishmash of artist going from one style to style, making it pointless to categorize all of them. And this is not just a hiphop thing, it's all over the music. Personally, I call everyone that isn't rapping a hiphop artist.

[@journeyman7404]

It would've been interesting to hear some ideas on the name of rap sub genres

[@Sntzl]

this topic should have been discussed way earlier. i feel like noone ever knows a straight definition of the term rapper. great to bring it to public attention.

[@siddhibby]

Amen

[@CBlixk6300]

What about Phonk Trillwave Alternative Hip Hop Trap Horrorcore Shadow Rap Conscious boombap ect.

[@dabossman5650]

EastcoastChris TV Not used enough-even in trap u got more singing auto tune ppls and just energetic more rapping style ppls-And ppl say that Denzel is trap but that’s mainly just because of the beats-his trap style isn’t anything like things anyone else calls trap

[@PeteS_1994]

I think it's good in a way that it doesn't have so many subgenres. I listen to an EDM song and people comment and argue over which genre it or point out how something is a new genre for just sounding a bit different.

[@bandit-kun1938]

Kanye is also a producer and has delve into rock and church scene as of recently

[@NDUWUISI]

Hip hop already has subgenres. Trap, bass, bounce, hardcore, mafioso, experimental, cloud, etc

[@tommytuckersgoldencrown339]

The term “Backpack Rapper” was And is always my favorite 😬

[@TheLokiBiz]

That's an absolutely _terrible_ definition of "rapper". For one thing, plenty of singers are primarily known for their lyrical abilities (Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave and David Bowie all come to mind, just going off some of my favourites) - I think the definition should have more to do with the audience you're going for and the genre you're working in. Ogre, the singer of the 80s electro-industrial group Skinny Puppy - not only is he well known for his lyricism, but he often uses a vocal style that it's more rhythmic "spoken word" than melodic singing - But I doubt anyone here would call him a rapper....

[@pac_0183]

100% agree , I’m always looking for trap rap and always stumble on traditional hip hop which i don’t enjoy as much

[@goldenscarecrow]

What happens if you’re a spoken word poet and some beat maker throws an instrumental over/under your words? The same as when a singer from genre a covers a song word-for-word that was performed by a singer from genre q. (Kid Cudi does “You Need to Calm Down” over an electric sitar). Pointless endeavor that I’d love to see make its way into the global lexicon.

[@TheLokiBiz]

Yeah...Defining "rapper" by a focus on lyricism is seriously short sighted (and shows he probably doesn't listen to much outside of hip hop). For one thing, plenty of singers are primarily known for their lyrical abilities (Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave and David Bowie all come to mind, just going off some of my favourites) - I think the definition should have more to do with the audience you're going for and the genre you're working in. Ogre, the singer of the 80s electro-industrial group Skinny Puppy - not only is he well known for his lyricism, but he often uses a vocal style that it's more rhythmic "spoken word" than melodic singing - But I doubt anyone here would call him a rapper....

[@chikengas4052]

Post Malone said that he isn't a rapper, he just happens to rap. Also, there's so much rappers that are doing their own things, that sometimes other rappers happen to be doing the same, which makes them feel obligated to make music that feels more like their genre.

[@isaiahsulzle9979]

Like this in support of HipHopMadness taking over complexs job

[@VVitchboyWav]

Duuuude I was talking about this the other day.

[@basqybinhavin]

“What do we call new age hip hop artist?” You just answered your question

[@travelreview5962]

Johnny Cash was a Rockstar. The Weeknd and Juice Wrld will go down in history as Rockstars. Hugh Hefner was a Rockstar. Rockstar has long since moved on from its original self explanatory definition and has been used to describe anyone who lives a certian lifestyle. Plenty of fans, viewed as very cool for their personality, living in the road in a new city with a new girl every night, drinking/ using/ partying, etc.

[@thombullitt]

I like Post Malone, but a rapper he is not. He's a POP SINGER. He literally used the hip-hop platform as a springboard into the spotlight. He works with rappers, yes, but he himself has said he doesn't like hip-hop.

[@hkjsdghhga]

Imo rap doesn't need specific genres, we already use labels for different kinds of rap music, but still not that specific as in rock for example. I think it should stay like that, because that's one of the things I like about the genre. I think this would just kind of split up the rap community into different groups which could somehow generate some kind of negative thinking towards each other, which is unfortunately already present (i.g. oldheads). I think this holds us together as a whole and doesn't break us up into separate groups.

[@TakuTJuly]

Why is *J I D* on the thumbnail??

[@Aipate]

Interesting. This needs further reassessment

[@subscriberswithoutavideo-xy8vz]

You guys need to stop baiting me into watching these videos by putting J.I.D on the thumbnail

[@tmacford]

Shut up! Hip hop/ Rap is a very special and unique genre. Stop trying to make us follow what those others do! We move how we move...

[@SWAMPLIFETERRY]

In the beginning of rap rappers wanted to be rockstars. The furious 5 wore wigs & all that! They were pop! Now that we’ve circled around the culture; I think it’s time artists start properly labeling their rap sub genres when they release records. This is one way to fix. Or just fucking call it alternative rap lol. I’ve been using it.

[@EricStackzMyRapMentor]

Its not that difficult all the guys you name on her are rappers...most of them just use a more melodic/pop delivery...such as Nelly, bone, outkast ect which we all consider rappers Plus sonically they all rap/use melodies over hip hop production...the music is the main indicator of your genre

[@pkj2148]

Then I guess U2 can sing on a hip hop beat and be considered rappers then.

[@jamarandre]

Hip hop has many some genres. Some not yet mentioned are latin trap, reggaeton, and Dominican Dembow. That's just hip hop in the Spanish Caribbean. Hip hop artists or urban artist are the terms.

[@asano2361]

Calling it “mumble raps” isn’t that accurate and calling it “new wave rap” brought another issue. I mean it can’t be the new wave forever

[@TheFallenXL]

New wave is actually a genre from the 80s. There's also NWOBHM (New Wave of British Heavy Metal) also from the 80s. We could call it "post-rap" but it doesn't make sense since it's still a very relevant genre. IDK man. I'm not really into separating music into 100000 subgenres. I mean, sure, it's necessary for some music, not for rap.

[@lyricsanonymous9036]

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