Hisense PX1-Pro Review - My New Favorite Laser TV?

[@SFBenjaminK]

I BOUGHT VAVA CHROMA last fall, ...BUT f*n WOW my friend Bought this PX1 PRO month ago & he LOVEES it so do i saw it in his house ...VERY nice pops bright pic, colors & in BLKS..VERY nice , if didn't bought VAVA Chroma such i love , i would getting on this for sure ...Really nice Projector, i saw the price went down to $2600 on Memorial day week-end , My friend JUMP on & bought one real quick from Amazon ...he got a GREAT f*n deal on it & GREAT projector👍👌

[@chrismiller3519]

The max lumens rating on a projector is not generally for the most accurate picture mode. More people need to learn this - a brightness spec isn't the end all for USTs. Great work, as always, Chris!

[@chrisbullock6477]

Just fyi there is a lumens chart in the google search that shows what Lumens brightness is in comparison to Nits depending on the projection size. With an UST its going to be even greater because of the closeness to the wall. for a screen size between 90inches to 130inches you would be looking at anywhere between 800-950Nits.

[@robertplas3947]

My understanding of lighting is that lumens is a measurement of light emitted by a source and nits is a measurement emitted or reflected by a source. So UST projector can output lumens while the reflected light back to our eyes would be nits. An oled tv sends light to our eyes measured in nits.

[@CineTechReviews]

Purchased the L9G after watching your video on it and couldn’t be happier. Since the PX1 is very similar I will hold off on upgrading at least until the throw ratio and black levels are improved.

[@charlierichards3640]

Hi Chris, love your channel and all the great content you continue to put out. I've been hearing a lot about a 4k laser tv made my FORMOVIE. I was wondering if you'll be doing a review on their Formovie Theater Ultra Short Throw Projector 2800 Lumen Triple Laser UST Fengmi T1.

[@fabianyu4320]

Hey Chris, I was wondering when are you going to review the Hisense PX2 PRO? Thanks for your videos, they are amazing!

[@blueshift22]

I would love to see you demystify the practical performance differences between the Hisense PX-1 and the PX-1 Pro … their specs are nearly identical, their price tags aren’t

[@rujlanahmad4404]

Wonderful review Chris, thank you for the support and appreciation. Rujlan Ahmad, Sales Manager Hisense Laser TV, GCC and Levant.

[@EnriqueCruz-zs4zq]

Yo calm down I can't settle for any proyector, every new video you post there is a new monster!

[@ginopetitti6088]

Hey Chris - great review thank you! I’m curious how would you compare this to the Samsung LS9PT (in addition to the focus uniformity, I.e contrast)?

[@ahmadsairat3957]

Hey Chris, great vid as always! Could you please do a review on the new Epson laser ls12000 projector. If it is worth upgrading to, from the 5050/6050ub. Thanks!

[@grantd8210]

Great Review Chris. I've been watching a ton of your reviews on laser TVs. I opted to order this Hisense PX1-pro over the formovie theater because I could only find one vendor selling it, and I wasn't sure about support/warranty issues, with it being such a small company. Will this work with the Hisense 100 inch screen that comes with the L9 in a living room with some sunlight. We can close the blinds but we don't want blackout shades if that's possible.

[@davidlyttle7372]

Thanks for the video. I'll wait for a sale to buy one. One thing extra about this is that you can connect them in series to make twice or possible 3 times the size/ width. A lot of money to spend but this is rarely mentioned. Mentioned in a KZbin from a convention of sorts. Thank again.

[@jasonm.8749]

You can get an 83" Oled on sale for around $4k now. Projectors do give an obvious larger image, but the technology really needs to accelerate faster than the price of Oleds are dropping IMO.

[@kurtisgarcia6965]

I need you to review the AWOL UST projector, I am rocking it atm and by far one of the best I've ever had. It does allow you to go from 80"-150",it also has 3500 lumens which is great esp in my living room with 2 skylights and a set of triple windows. The game mode gets it to 30ms which has been good so far I haven't had any issues , the only downfall I feel is it doesn't have a built in smart features like the built in apps but they do give you a external device that hides really nice in there patent hidden case in the back. Overall I will not ever be going back to a tv after having this..... Great vid by the way this was my other option to look to buy before I got the AWOL

[@jgnmtz]

Great video as always ! So the 4K @ 120 hz is a lie?

[@scottrogers89]

So, I have this projector, and I love it. I have it ceiling mounted. It looks great, we watch movies, shows, and game with it. The only issue is that after having it for a couple of months it started making this really loud buzzing. It's not like a fan noise you would hear on a PC, but a loud buzzing motor sound. Any ideas on what it could be? Thanks. Great review too 👍🏻

[@jacklundquist3130]

Woah you can mount ultra short throws to ceilings? Does it just flip the image upside down then? This would totally eliminate throw ratio problems!

[@scottrogers89]

@@jacklundquist3130 There is a setting that you change to flip the image, but yeah it's great, and I don't have to worry about my kids messing with it, because it's out of their reach.

[@ravenskman1]

@@scottrogers89 hey Scott, I've been thinking about doing the exact same setup you mentioned, but seems no one online talks about ceiling mounting ust projectors. Would love to pick your brain on what screen and mount you use, what you learned, would do differently, etc. Thanks!

[@scottrogers89]

Update** Hisense took back the projector with the bad fan, and replaced it with a new one. Now it's super quiet, and awesome. I'd say it was definitely worth it.

[@jordan33127]

Thanks for the feedback !

[@jclary83]

Would love to see a comparison between the PX1-PRO and the new PX1. It sounds like the only difference is brightness and it is on sale most places up to $1k less than the PRO.

[@jordancollier3101]

Great video! You’ve got me convinced! Any quality screen suggestions for a moderate budget?

[@CALSASH]

Great video as usual. I will have to seriously consider this as an upgrade on my Sony WVP HW-50ES ceiling projector which has served me well for 9 years. I have a dedicated cinema room (no windows) and a 120" 16:9 ration 1:1 gain projector screen. Would I need to invest in a dedicated CLR screen or is mine likely to be sufficient in a completely darkened room?

[@devous987]

These were down to $2500 on Memorial day weekend, picked one up myself.

[@MatthewRichetelli]

Hey, Chris. I have an Optoma UHD50X I bought a few years ago and absolutely love it. Would you consider the PX1-Pro a justified upgrade? Really considering buying one

[@raceboy1971]

Debated between this and the L9 but went with this based on reviews that it's as bright as the L9 in most situations and I could choose my own screen. Went with the Vava 120" ALR screen. Should be coming by next weekend.

[@ahoerauf94]

would love to hear your impressions. I'm in the same boat, looking at an EPSON or CLR4 UST ALR screen

[@raceboy1971]

@@ahoerauf94 I've had the projector for a week now and I'm in love with it so far and that's just on a bare white wall. The 120" screen came today, but I'm wondering if I even need a screen? This projector looks great and it's in a living room with decent, but not great daytime light control. At night in the dark? Blown away. Further impressions to come once I get the screen up and I'll probably post a video on my channel.

[@fredp8388]

@@raceboy1971 how is that screen?

[@raceboy1971]

@@fredp8388 Screen has been great.

[@ghosttechtips6944]

I have this projector and I like the filmmaker mode the best which has the lowest brightness. I prefer it less bright it’s easier on the eyes and it makes the colours pop. Loving my projector

[@DaTruAndi]

So they seem to have tested the waters for their triple laser engine with the shadowy Bomaker Polaris projector for a while (Bomaker doesn’t really build projectors of this caliber) and finally launched it but for a lot more money (and a few more features). Nice

[@imcclarrable]

Hey Chris! Great review as always. I literally just bought the Hisense L9G from Best Buy last week while it was on sale for $4200 and have yet had the time to open it. Based on this review, I am now considering returning the L9G for the PX1-Pro as they seem to be about the same in terms of performance. My wife and I are turning our basement into a Home Theater and were having trouble deciding between the 120in and 100in versions fo the L9G... but this PX1-Pro seems to settle that issue with the manual focus. Not sure how I feel about the screen not being included as that will have me break even, $$$. Professional opinion... if you could exchange the L9G for the PX1-Pro, without any hassles, would you?

[@ChrisMajestic]

I’d consider swapping if I wasn’t sure about screen size. There’s nothing worse than putting together a screen and setting up the L9G and being stuck with a screen size you’re not happy with.

[@imcclarrable]

@@ChrisMajestic Other than that option though... it would seem the L9G and the PX1-Pro are pretty much the same in terms of specs / function? Thanks in advance!

[@tyhome1]

So, I've been watching your Hisense ust videos all week. I've narrowed it down to 100L9G and PX1. I do not have a screen. My basement is very dark. If I purchase the PX1, what screen would you suggest? Which projector is better? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[@Brad._.]

I just bought the 100L5G. What are your thoughts on this version versus the 100L5F I’m hoping it’s slightly updated but it’s my first jump into higher end projectors. Learned a lot from your content, thanks for the good information!

[@seanfurr9886]

Great video. Quick question, would you recommend this over the Vava Chroma for overall picture quality?

[@tyhome1]

Chris, I bought this projector because of your review. Having an issue with setup. Are you able to advise?

[@MonkeyspankO]

I love my L9G (also bought after your review), so this looks very promising. Laser tvs are an amazing 'cheat' for relative budge home theatres. The L9 feels more like a premium product, look and feel wise, but it was always a little hard to find, even last year. This looks like a good spot for people to jump in, but you absolutely need a good screen!

[@ELALGUACILLAMPIÑOS]

The l9g can use without a screen only in a wall?

[@MonkeyspankO]

@@ELALGUACILLAMPIÑOS "Can" yes, but its not recommended. The picture will not look very nice, especially if there is any light in the room. So I would consider the screen essential.

[@sebluketravis2438]

Thanks Mr Majestic. What this tells me at 3500 bucks and being slightly better than a significantly more expensive model from a year ago, that it's going in the right direction. Soon Laser TVs of a very good quality will be 2500 bucks, maybe another 2 or so years. Can't wait for that saturation to bring those prices down!

[@greenjelly01]

It is not "significantly more expensive" when you consider that you have to pay separately for the screen.

[@ChrisMajestic]

The px1-pro is on sale right now for $3000. The average screen costs around $1000. That’s still significantly less than the 100l9g’s introductory msrp and you were stuck with one screen size. Pricing will only go down from here.

[@sebluketravis2438]

@@ChrisMajestic Totally agree!

[@sorand0r245]

In Germany its up for sale from 2k usd right now!

[@geraldcald3214]

Great video! I'm between the PX1 Pro and the L9G to replace my everyday TV and a older ceiling mounted projector. Would you recommend the PX1 Pro or L9G with an ALR screen? Windows in the room but not much light gets in due to covered patio.

[@ChrisMajestic]

Considering the flexibility and lower price of the PX1 it’s hard to recommend the L9G over it. The L9G is just slightly brighter. Very slightly.

[@deanc6110]

Awesome review, any plan for reviewing Optoma uhz50. & Epson ls11000/12000? Again, love the work.

[@ChrisMajestic]

Ls12000 is on my list.

[@benjaminking6949]

Hello Mr. Majestic, I was curious about viewing laser projector time usage. Is there a way to view how many hours a laser projection system has been used? We are looking at buying a used projection system off of amazon prime that lists the system as "Open box, never used". So we are highly considering it for the price point but want to make sure their is sufficient life on the system. Eternally grateful for your extensive reviews, thanks!

[@PhilCaplinger1]

Chris, thanks for all your content! Appreciate the review. Serious question... Any reason I would be unable to run two (2) of these UST Laser projectors side-by-side with a HTPC? I want to build a big space and budget. :).

[@daemon2007]

Thanks for the review. I purchased after watching this review. It's on sale for 2900 right now on Amazon. Do you have any ALR screen recommendations for a living room, 5 windows with shades that will be to the right side of the room, moderate natural light penetration? My walls are white. I'm looking for 120" size.

[@vampov]

Wow the prices are finally coming down. And I was looking at getting a 2022 85" hisense or tlc tv or something like that

[@chrisbullock6477]

Thanks for the info on HDR performance. I didn't know Projectors had issues with HDR Processing.

[@anchal28]

Hi Chris, i love your content. I am torn between L9G 120 or PX1-pro with 120 ALR, i am planning to setup in game room with 4 windows on left side so it will have a lot of ambiant light. What would you suggest between l9g or px1 pro for a well lit room?

[@StHella-xf3yr]

Hey Chris, are you able to do a review of outdoor projectors? Specifically inflatable ones. I’d like one but don’t know if they are any good. Thanks

[@jgnmtz]

Love your content . Somehow , I got the impression you didn’t give your complete endorsement for the PX1 ? The 60hz refresh rate issue and other things you mentioned ‘could be better ‘ seem like it means they refurbished the L9G with a pixel shifting tech , and thus the loss of Lumens? I personally can’t understand how the projectors only have 2 HDMI ? My OLED has 4 .. I need 1 for speakers, 1 for games , 1 for Apple TV , and the last for an NVIDIA source for true 4K movies .. why can’t we get a decent laser tv with at least 3 HDMI , with 1 for 4K at 120hz , native 3860 x 2160 , contrast same as the PX1, with the screen size adaptable 90” - 130” ? Is that just Sony and JVC regular throw ?

[@contactluke80]

Awesome review Chris, this might be my upgrade from an old Xiaomi UST. One question I’m hoping you can answer - if the projector was closer to the wall to create an 80” image - would the motorised focus still work or is 90” the absolute minimum?

[@ChrisMajestic]

80 would work but the corners would be out of focus.

[@margioluna6729]

Great review, been debating on which ust to get this or for movie, any suggestions? Any other one better? New to this and just want a great picture… TIA

[@AllThingsSportsMikeMcIntyre]

I watched a fast paced action movie with my motion setting on smooth and found it to be a bit jittery at times. Have you experienced the same thing? Any tips for getting a smoother image?

[@dankelley9361]

Thanks Chris, great review, one ? Tho, how far is the front of the unit away from the screen if you want to project a picture of 100”? Thanks. I’d like to get one of those screen that are usually hidden that rise up when you want to watch anything.

[@TriMuXx]

Another great video! Love the PX1Pro myself and have been super impressed with what I have seen it do so far! Keep up the great review work and lets hope for a LOT more new USTs to flood the market and help bring the prices down!

[@123kingheb]

Do you know if the px1 would throw a slightly smaller than 90 inch. I'm restricted for room where I want to put screen 😩

[@TheJimbob1971]

Hi Chris, would you recommend this or the Formovie after the shootout at the weekend? I was going to go PX1 until I saw the scores.

[@MRSTEEL15]

Between this or the FORMOVIE THEATER? WHICH is best? TY I subscribed

[@kirankarra3021]

Hi, Great review! I just purchased this projector, but confused on screen type. Which one should I pick? white, grey or silver Matt fixed frame projector. This is for my basement with low light, I can make the room with the blinds down. Would you please advice on the type of projector screen? I just picked up 120 inch silver fixed screen, gain 2.0

[@chrisbullock6477]

Its work it considering you can choose what size you want depending on your wall size.

[@chrisbullock6477]

Just fyi there is a lumens chart in the google search that shows what Lumens brightness is in comparison to Nits depending on the projection size. With an UST its going to be even greater because of the closeness to the wall. for a screen size between 90inches to 130inches you would be looking at anywhere between 800-950Nits.

[@2mnyshp]

I'm currently using a L9G 120 as a cinema projector, meaning that I almost only using it in a dark setting for movies because I don't watch TV. Would you say that in this scenario the PX1 Pro would be a good upgrade (for the black levels). I could sell the L9G.

[@jeffsklar9148]

hey Chris have a question. Im in the market for a ust narrowed it down to the hisense px1 pro-or the px1 cant find any reviews on the px1 just the pro version right now the px1 is about $800 less then the pro version. i dont see too much of a difference that would justify the $800. what is your opinion on the two. thanks in advance.

[@nolaxtreme]

I just wish Hisense would support larger screen sizes like 150 inch. And 3d. But I'm holding out waiting to see how the "8k" models turn out also moving so not in a rush and hopes for 120 fps models to hit market

[@tapmanproductions]

Hey Chris! How would you say this compares to the BenQ 7050i? I'm trying to decide which of these projectors I should get. I realize this projector doesn't have 3d but any other things I should consider?

[@unknxwn888]

I'll need help with this. I've got one question. Do you really need an expensive screen? Would it work without one? On a blank white wall if it's only used in the evening/night

[@gx12]

It would be great if you could review some high contrast screens. Which screen has the best black levels? Grey, state, black diamond. How many lumens do you actually need to make a black screen work?

[@_cmoll]

How do you calibrate your projector? My PX1 Pro isn't as bright as I expected even in my light-controlled basement. I'm thinking calibrating will help, because just randomly fidgeting with settings isn't getting me anywhere. It's otherwise beautiful, just would like to bring a bit more brightness than what I'm getting.

[@tpoulet]

I had also got the L9G and have it in a light controlled room. Would you recommend swapping to the PX1-Pro or are the differences not yet worth it? Thanks for the great videos.

[@ChrisMajestic]

If you have the L9G I wouldn’t swap it out unless you needed a different screen size

[@tpoulet]

@@ChrisMajestic thanks a million. You're the best. I was suspecting that the PX1-Pro's black levels would make a big enough difference to warrant the change.

[@WhyNot-cb1jb]

Epson ls12000 vs Samsung the premiere which one would you recommend, also to note that they are relatively similar ( a few hundred usd) in price in India due to lack of stock of epson. I have an lg CX OLED so would that affect my perception of black levels on a projector? My budget is around USD 6k. I need a projector for a dedicated home theater, so ambient light would not be an issue. Ust vs mounted is not an issue either. If you recommend any other that would be fine too.

[@tyleraronne473]

This looks like the same thing as the Bomaker Polaris (which uses Hisense as their OEM). The only differences I see are 2500 lumens vs 2200 and HDMI 2.1 vs 2.0 though I have also read this projector is limited to 60hz despite being HDMI 2.1 and accepting the signal, also slightly better speakers and Android TV, but seeing this, the Bomaker Polaris seems like the better deal priced at $2000 or so.

[@paaco1981]

Weird question maybe. Can these be ceiling mounted and will I need to buy anything special to do so? Just want to keep it out of reach of my dog bumping it.

[@emilioalvarezrivera6503]

Hi all, im a new fan of your channel, i found a bundle in my city with the PX1-Pro and the 100 Inches Screen DLT (also include a home theater, but it's not all of my interest....) for around 2750 USD, and in the same store have the L9G (projector and screen 100 Inches too) for around 3100 USD, i can't decide which one will a better choice... Any help? I think it's not much difference at the price

[@mhsdada]

Any possibility to review the Formovie Theatre 4K Laser TV and make a head-to-head comparison to the Hisense PX1-Pro?

[@superhero9977]

Get your hands on a Fengmi T1! Would love to see it

[@Shift4g]

2nd'd

[@3quesha3]

I would love to see a review of the Wemax Nova 4k. 😍💜

[@sanelselimovic]

Curious if you’ve tried any of the Silver Ticket screens and if you think their grey STR one would pair well with a Hisense, or would I get a more washed out picture as compared to an OEM screen?

[@cnote8350]

If you had a LG HU85LA, would you sell it and buy this Hisense PX1-Pro to replace it? Issues I see with LG - Reds seem over saturated and difficult to get colors to appear appropriately. HDR content seems really dark and hard to lighten without washing out the picture. The new batman movie was almost unwatchable in HDR.

[@AbhishekGupta-uu3uy]

Hello Chris .. can you add in description the points you would give to this projector just like you gave points to other UST projectors in your best UST projector video .. It would be really helpful to compare this projector with them point wise

[@MaxSergeyenko]

PX1-Pro vs Samsung LSP7T vs Vava 4K , which one should I get and why? Seems like PX1-Pro is the dimmest at 28fL for 130" and 33fL at 120", LSP7T on goes up to 120" at 34fL, but Samsung states higher contrast 2M to 1 vs 1M to 1, and Vava is the brightest but most expensive right now (with sales on others and etc). Which one should I do for a bedroom with mostly late evening - night watching on the biggest screen possible? For movies and KZbin viewing, not taking speakers into account as I have a good set and no 3D, nor HDR needed, also not taking into account the apps and interface too much as I will connect a Chromebook to it and run all videos from there 🙂 Please HELP asap 🙂

[@ahoerauf94]

can you give a list for recommended calibrated settings for 120" screen?

[@youtubewatcherdesi]

How will this compare with LG HU915 ? I know LG is priced much higher - but is it worth the difference ?

[@sheldonq3124]

Thanks mate, could you install other apps by yourself?

[@stephenju1966]

You should do an update with the newly released Dolby Vision firmware. A few people with the update are reporting worse image quality than SDR.

[@pauldavies961]

How would this compare, picture wise to something like the benq w4000i ? are UST's offering better picture than the longer throw ones.

[@maxtamcpherson8869]

Hi thanks for the vid love it. Can you give me some information what this projector works like when mounted on a ceiling?? Thanks

[@jgnmtz]

I’m confused .. @IanMcClarren said the L9G was $4200, but when I click on your link to the Hicense PX1 pro Amazon shows $2900 .. that’s a lot less money for a supposedly better projector ?

[@stoianovadrian8772]

Hi Chris, do you have any info about the Viewsonic X2000 4K Laser TV ? I would love to hear your thoughts about it. Looks like a good competitor at around £2000 (probably a bit more in $$$)

[@ChrisMajestic]

I just had an opportunity to see it yesterday. I was impressed!! Especially for the money.

[@nolaxtreme]

Waiting to see how the "8k' model turns out when launches this year

[@tinkerandtoys9017]

Love your content, keep it up!

[@pokehunter7078]

Hi Chris, I have a home theater with a 4:3 80inch screen. I am looking to upgrade my phone projector. Please recommend some suitable. Thanks a lot.

[@jasonwilliams8393]

Do you have a video coming from the shootout? Curious to hear your impressions of formovie.

[@ChrisMajestic]

Yeah it’s coming this week

[@stevelaminack1516]

Are there any projectors in the $3k or below range that support 3D? What do you think of the XGIMI Aura, which has 3D?

[@haizaki_phantom]

Hey chris Can you review the jireno cube 4? I wanna know what you think of portable projectors

[@mybestreviews9]

Hi Chris, How will this compare with LG HU915 ? :)

[@MATechYoutube]

Hey Chris, I recently purchased the Hisense L9G here in the UK and found a lot of differences/downgrades between your video and my model, I’m wondering if the same will apply to the p1x pro if/when it even comes to the UK. Being honest I’ll probably be looking at the lg HU915 as the replacement for my Hisense L9G somewhere down the line once it drops a bit in price but for now the Hisense L9G at the price I got it and especially combined with the screen was still the best value setup we have here in the UK. kzbin.info/www/bejne/fWmpf5Sgmt2Kqas

[@MrKnightlore]

Hi mate, just curious on what you purchased in the end and if you ever found out if the PX1-Pro was downgraded for the UK? I'm tempted by this as on offer at the moment for Black Friday.

[@chrisbullock6477]

The HDR Specs were skipped over. I noticed there was HDR 10, but I've seen it advertised as having Dobly Vision as well.

[@ChrisMajestic]

Dolby vision was announced after this video was shot.

[@kenpoS2K]

What is the best 4K picture in a projector under $4K regardless long throw vs short? I would like a screen 130 to 150”

[@bigredwag]

You lost me at plant based😂...I just bought your last favorite laser TV. Any word on their promised Dolby Vision firmware update?

[@chrismiller9707]

Starts rolling out to 100L9Gs on June 28.

[@ScottHaslegrave]

Can you just cast on to a solid white wall?

[@sunnyd6291]

Pls do a review on the new lg hu915qe seems to be the king of ust to date

[@cyan_28]

Would you recommend this over the l9g or the lsp9t?

[@LarryRichelli]

AWOL VISION LTV-2500 and 3500 4K UHD Ultra Short Throw Triple Laser Projector both blow this Hisense away

[@johnnybgood1977]

compare to the XGIMI AURA..what would you choose??..taking in mind the spec and price..be HONEST..

[@ChrisMajestic]

This is significantly better than the xgimi. Not even close

[@deerock3350]

I wish they made a laser tv under 2K. Maybe if they took out the speakers it would be cheaper. Everyone who buys this is going to hook it up to a surround sound system.

[@mauriciob8260]

How long is the lifespan of this laser tv during normal use ?

[@deepujaglan251]

LG CineBeam HU915QE , the big daddy of all in pricing , any review?

[@TRell454]

Would you choose this or any short throw projector over the 5050ub that you said you use in your own home theater?

[@ChrisMajestic]

Yes. The 5050ub is showing its age nowadays. The LS11000 or LS12000 are better comparisons now.

[@chrisbullock6477]

Hoping companies like Panasonic or Sony come out with Sub $4000 RGB Laser UST Projectors

[@rsolsjo]

No 4K@120, no 3D, has to sit far away from the wall and there are brighter options. Seems to be one of the sharpest of the bunch though.