History of Baptist & Methodist Churches

[@UsefulCharts]

Check out Ready to Harvest's video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eIi1eGyKa7qkeqc

[@SchizoidCajetanian]

As a Catholic I love this series

[@raetekusu1]

Question for you, boss. Currently the graph shows that the Second Great Awakening's many emergent denoms are limited to four groups. Will you be covering the Campbellite+Millerite denominations? I'd be interested to see these, as my own denom growing up (Churches of Christ) was one of the denoms that emerged from this movement and they emerged from the SGA.

[@Varangian82]

What a wonderful work! Btw will we get Islamic Denominations Family Tree in the future?

[@quoteh]

I’m from the United Protestant Church of France and I’m so happy to see it in your videos 🥹 I know you can’t fit everything on the chart but do you think you can just mention the names of the two merged churches : the Reformed Church of France (est. 1938 uniting various reformed church bodies and methodists) and the Evangelical Lutheran Church of France (est. 1872 after the loss of Alsace Lorraine), the latter being your green line on the chart :)

[@Naomi_Thornock]

Please stop using the term Mormon for The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints it is just a nickname and not an official name and their are 15 million members.

[@johnpaulkahlert3967]

I think if Germany & Australia are close to 50-50 you could "checker" them with yellow and green to show this. I think this would help give people a better idea than just choosing one or the other.

[@varana]

Also, for Germany, it's not that the Catholics "get ahead". It's that they're losing members slightly slower than Protestants. Less than half of Germany's population is Christian (of any denomination). It's also quite regionalised - some areas are Catholic, some are Protestant. Colouring the whole country as one block, really misses the point. But these "let's take the dominant {whatever} and paint the whole area that way" are one of the weakest and most misleading (sometimes dangerously so) types of map that exist.

[@javindhillon6294]

Dude what are you talking about

[@zacdredge3859]

I don't think it really is that close here in Australia. There are plenty of Catholics around, sure, but I wouldn't say they are as numerous. I guess it depends if you count 'lapsed' or non-practising Catholics though. It also is tricky to get meaningful surveys on stuff like that as I think a lot of people are displaced or changing aspects of their practice/membership post-Covid.

[@hikaru-live]

I'd suggest using checkered patterns for all countries where the difference between the two leading denominations are less than 10% of the larger group.

[@Zwerggoldhamster]

Or maybe have Germany be protesntant with catholic points in the north, and vice versa in the south.

[@erso5172]

I'm not religious at all but this has been one of my favourite series to follow on KZbin

[@wiel5908]

Same

[@juanfervalencia]

I'm an Atheist, but this series, and the introduction to the Bible are delightful.

[@AnaIvanovic4ever]

Same here.

[@JonK...]

It's my experience that atheists and non- religious people are the most religious of all. Adherents to the cults of Climate Change, Aboriginal Sovereignty and LGBTQ et al are prime examples. You only have to consider the actions of Saint Greta of Sweden and Saint Lydia of Victoria to hear their dogmas, see their high priestess, and observe their rigid intolerance of all who don't subscribe to their beliefs and oracles of divine wisdom.

[@jrak193]

I'm an Atheist, but I grew up as a Southern Baptist. It's fascinating seeing where my old denomination falls on the chart. I never realized until watching this video what made Evangelicals different from other Christians, but looking back that's exactly how it was. It was always about forming a personal relationship with God. I think me growing up in an Evangelical church was probably part of the reason I ended up deconverting so early in my life because it is SO weird. The people are nice, but I just couldn't help myself but to think they were all insane to think about God like a long lost father who just wants to love you and for you to love him back.

[@ten4l]

As a Christian in Korea, I had to double check when realizing that the Presbyterian Church (Hapdong) and (Tonghab) denominations were on this chart! I had absolutely zero expectation of any Korean denomination showing up here. Amazing job!

[@abudia6403]

If you hadnt mention Josh from Ready to Harvest being Baptist, most probably would never know this. He is always so impartial and professional with all of his presentations.

[@TheFranchiseCA]

The people in his comments section are mostly lunatics, though. Really too bad.

[@abudia6403]

@@TheFranchiseCA 🤣🤣

[@MaryamMaqdisi]

@@TheFranchiseCA so true, love his content but the comments are something else

[@johningram420]

If you Google his name and ready to harvest you can find a forum post from 2018 where he introduces himself as a Baptist pastor

[@ammsgod1764]

Most of his early videos are comparing other denominations within independent Baptist, which is how I kind of guessed he was an independent Baptist

[@roidrannoc1691]

Christianity: How many denominations do you want? The English speaking world: yes

[@revinhatol]

Italy: NO

[@Mathetesofscripture]

All religious groups break into smaller groups that have slightly varying beliefs. It's only fitting it would be on a larger scale when applying that logic to the largest religion.

[@EAlyahya]

I wanna watch Jewish version of family tree of its denominations, including all the various dynasties of Hassidism.

[@SamAronow]

There are like 100 Hasidic dynasties, and a few non-dynastic Hasidic branches!

[@neitan6891]

Yes! I would love that

[@faturechi]

There is a very good Atlas of Hasidic Judaism that came out recently. It is very expensive, though. Dr. Henry Abramson's KZbin channel is excellent in describing Jewish history in about as non-denominational and academic as I think you can get.

[@therongjr]

Me, too! I'd love to see how rabbinic Judaism came to dominate, and look at the other traditions that existed earlier. ​@@SamAronow, have you done a video about that?

[@SamAronow]

@@therongjr "Rabbinic Judaism" is only used here to differentiate Judaism after the fall of the Temple, but Jewish thought and practice as something primarily directed by rabbis had been the norm since Simon the Just, a contemporary of Alexander the Great.

[@Sir_Ross]

Glad you finally covered us Methodists. One Correction on what you said: George Whitfield was called a Calvinistic Methodist because he rejected the concept of free will, but he was definitely not a Calvinist

[@Phonixrmf]

To day I'm celebrating Eid. I have had my feast for today and now this! What a great day it has been

[@UsefulCharts]

Eid Mubarak!

[@reality1701]

Eid Mubarak!

[@orktv4673]

European Christianity be like: the heretics abandoned our church over a theological dispute over the creed, causing decades of war and death of 25% of the continent's population. American Christianity: our splinter church of a splinter church now has a splinter movement because they think we're slightly too progressive.

[@katherinegilks3880]

If a religion becomes associated with the state, minor disputes will indeed cause a lot of death and destruction. If religion is treated like a community association, social club, or a self-help movement, then of course you just get lots of splinter movements. Not really related to geography, ethnicity, or culture.

[@darthparallax5207]

Add this to America: "Causing decades of strife which we do not call war but which causes a great deal of death and escalates up to the oppression of no less than 50% of the population when national stage politics centers around questions beginning in religion such as who is allowed to marry whom, and whether or not we are going to believe monarchy or hierarchy are superior organization methods of society to democracy or freedom, and what do we think strategically and morally about the poor. That is do poor people deserve to be poor, and if we do not believe that do we believe that it is possible to help them and how." You have these questions beginning with religion and yet religion seems to at most express ideals but does not often propose policy that can effectively bring about its goals. The European Roman Catholic Church organizes its positions fairly clearly in the Catechism. And then people decided they didn't want to do that anymore over things like Henry VIII and just not wanting to be like Europe. But in the effort to stop being Europe we have only succeeded at deciding that we are going to stop calling wars wars. But we will still kill people. And we will stop calling it theocratic monarchy, we are going to start calling it democracy. But we are still going to mostly vote the way we believe the Bible tells us to. I'm an atheist and I want America to be a theocratic monarchy. Because then we would become an honesty and not a hypocrisy. At least we should call it what it is shouldn't we? Always liked the Catholics because they usually don't pretend to like democracy and are more often openly monarchy supporters. Though wars can be bad, a declared war might barely be governed by more rules of engagement, which quite possibly would be an improvement and more restraint. 25% dead vs being suspicious of 100% enslaved..... The reason why atheists are content to let religion continue to exist is because there used to be a shared value of orderliness. It's hard to put back together world peace though. The European Union? The Catholic Church? I don't think different efforts to put Rome back together are successful enough or have a strong enough chance of getting much farther. There are just limits and good intentions and compromise gets us this far. But maybe not much farther.

[@darthparallax5207]

The Middle Ages is called barbaric and yet they were innocent enough that what InfoWars existed was not mostly a matter of who had money. Anyone who learned how to read could change their social station so it may have been much more of a meritocracy. Wars became games became stocks. We've discovered how to live long enough to become villains but most people do not discover how to die heroes. Those who die as tragically as possible at least avoided doing very much evil. What if humanity is so extremely far astray that only the unborn ever go to heaven? Think of this frightening thing: In this study of family tree charts, what was the branch of divergence, millennia ago, when Aztecs split off from Jews? If it's possible that we all used to live in Africa? What if the goal was to die as young as possible and avoid life entirely? Comparing human religion to how evolution seems to work..... The observations are troubling. Those things Jesus is mostly likely to approve of modern society and science are simply what would be scary but fair. Natural normal and just. Believing death is an extremely important part of life and a means to create life. Jesus today would perhaps preach about Fungi and Viruses and simply suggest to us that we should not be afraid to die. That is unlikely to make us less afraid to die. Monarchy accepted war as regrettable but still natural. Even Evil wars were believed to have a purpose and a reason that good would come out of them. Democracy invented the nuclear bomb and we will never again be able to look war in the face with the old faith. It would mean God's intention was to lose our lives to bombs in the belief that the souls would live on. That was how they used to allow Wars to start and be carried out. We don't believe in life after anymore. We don't act like we believe it. We act like we believe one life is all we get. Hopefully we are right. Yet, when have we ever been right?

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

In Europe, those wars were explicitly religious, in America, national politics and religion are only associated culturally (and when pandering for support from religious groups). Things like gay marriage are as much a secular political issue as it was a religious one. Atheist views on the topic were also overwhelmingly anti-gay before the big push happened in the 2010s for example. These national political divides Would still exist in largely the same manner regardless of the affiliation of progressive/conservative congregations in these denominational alliances, and the politically/theologically motivated mergers and splits in those alliances because all of the division exists at the local congregational level anyway, which aren’t changing to fit the splits, the splits are changing to fit them. It’s congregational gerrymandering. And any real change is foremost affecting the people at the pulpit, not the vast majority of people in America who sit in the pews, and often hold their political beliefs above their religious beliefs anyway. And no, 50% of the population is not oppressed, regardless of which 50% you’re referring to or which side is in power. If you don’t want someone to know your politics, they won’t, and it won’t affect your life. And if politics is a big part of your life, you’re still treated equally under the law (though let’s not get into corporate and internet biases which overwhelmingly favor and promote one side at the detriment of the other.) To put it simply, in Europe, debates over Calvinism vs. Arminianism spawned wars in the past. In America, it turns a building of 200 people into two buildings of 100 people.

[@jdeang3531]

@@darthparallax5207 nope

[@philipmadden7013]

This chart is going to be epic for such a complicated topic. Can't wait for the full release

[@trigun1081]

Great stuff and great content. I am Jewish so having all this explained is very informative. I have always been fascinated by the way Christianity splits like this. For the most part in Judaism our differences come from adherence to rules, not from theological and interpretive disagreements. Thank you for explaining this in a well organized series of videos. It is a good tool to not only see but understand the beauty of different cultures and beliefs.

[@nickelgamer5806]

I'm a southern baptist and I really had no idea of my churches history. This is pretty cool.

[@hens0w]

I can't imagine belonging to a church with a name like "converge" or "venture network", like I think I might have shares in them

[@Capibaracapibara1992]

as a Roman Catholic is so interesting and confusing to see and learn about other denominations!

[@sup3rgh0stcs]

God bless you brother! I always appreciate our unity in the Roman Catholic Church.

[@doommagic]

Yeah, growing up Catholic in the Southern US, I found myself really confused by the various denominations of my friends and trying to figure out what the differences were between them. Roman Catholicism is pretty straightforward compared to Protestantism, but Matt's doing a great job at answering those questions we have about everything.

[@cloudkitt]

As an Eastern Orthodox, it always makes our little tiff seem almost quaint :P

[@Capibaracapibara1992]

@@doommagic here in Mexico is worst! is 97% catholic, and then , specially older people like my mom or grandparents see the rest as "aleluyas/hermanos (brothers)/ christians" it doesn't matter if they are mormons or baptist, a mexican catholic would call them the same lol

[@Capibaracapibara1992]

and is strange, we catholics are also christians, but here in Mexico we would call ourselves catholics and non catholics = cristianos, christians lol

[@susancorbett8155]

I am really enjoying this series. What I especially appreciate is that as someone who is not part of a Christian community you are impartial and there is no "one true church" bias.

[@justanotheryoutubefan8070]

I mean, he himself is Jewish lol

[@jameshigh6481]

As a Southern Baptist from Texas, I have been greatly enjoying this deep dive into the various denominations. I also like the way you stick with the facts and don't opine on the merits or downside of any particular group. But, then again, this is very consistent with your work.

[@ilznidiotic]

Damn. George Whitefield must have pissed off his portraitist something fierce.

[@UsefulCharts]

He actually did have cross eyes in real life so I guess the painter was just being as accurate as possible.

[@TraysonMartin]

Honestly UsefulCharts and Ready to Harvest's collab has to be my most highly anticipated collab

[@WHHW23]

Thank you so much for integrating viewer feedback in your work! I'm loving the series and can't wait for the final chart.

[@jurassichrist]

Fantastic! My family are Methodists, so they'll love to watch this episode. A correction for the printed chart, if you haven't already made it: Latter-day should have 2 T's.

[@UsefulCharts]

Thanks!

[@birdmanben27]

I came down to say the same thing! All those Mormon decor thrift store finds must've left an impression lol.

[@Sam-rf7cb]

@Ben Bird "mormon" is somewhat offensive and incorrect. Latter-day Saint is correct or member of The church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is correct. We want people to know the correct name and see that Jesus is in the name since our beliefs focus on Him.

[@xLvGx]

@@Sam-rf7cb offensive? It's literally the name of the book that you use

[@jurassichrist]

​@@birdmanben27Hi Ben!

[@Joseuel]

Protestantism is growing fast in Brazil, and one of the main churches is the "congregação cristã no Brasil", that also branched to "assembléia de Deus" at some point. I always thought this church would branch from baptists, but wikipedia says they come from anabaptist tradition. These churches are strong in Brazil and probably also in neighboring countries in latin america, like Argentina, Peru and Chile. I don't know if you plan to cover these churches in later episodes, but I would like to see from where they branch, considering they are important in Brazil which is the largest country in latin america.

[@nelsonbastias9993]

Brazil worship music is very beautiful, greetings from Chile!

[@thadsul]

He said he would talk about pentecostalism in the 7th episode. Most brazilian protestants are within this tradition

[@GleidsonTseva]

Pentecostal churches are huge here in Brazil, I hope he talk about us when talking about pentecostalism.

[@KnuttyEntertainment]

Most denominations are growing fast in Brazil, because Brazil is very Christian and has a growing population. I believe Pentecostalism is growing the fastest, but you would need to contextualize that by comparing with other denominations.

[@Cr7Micto]

@@KnuttyEntertainment It used to be very Christian, not so much today

[@nategar412]

Great video! I've heard that the difference between Baptists and Methodists is that Methodists say hi to each other at the liquor store. YMMV. 😂

[@SteveW139]

Some Methodists abjure alcohol and are respected for their choice, but those who do drink are generally relatively abstemious.

[@nategar412]

@@SteveW139 thanks. Born and raised Southern Baptist. In every SBC church I've attended, drinking alcohol at all, even in moderation, has been discouraged if not outright condemned, if it was mentioned at all. That's my way of saying that it's just a joke.

[@EarlJohn61]

At least the Baptists have the Bible on their side... I'm sure that you've heard of John the Baptist... But you've never yet heard of Paul the Methodist!

[@fighterofthenightman1057]

@@EarlJohn61There’s nothing in the Bible about abstaining from alcohol entirely. That’s why all of the normal I mean traditional denominations don’t teach that, and it’s only the fringe groups that do.

[@SeekingTruth2023]

Hi Matt, thank you for your wonderful work! Would you be interested to make a video on Korean cults? It seems an interesting development. There are so many "Christian" groups in Korea, who came from earlier times and then turned into harmful high control groups. (For example the Unification Church) Unfortunately, there is not much awareness, where all these "new" religions came from. And many people fall for them. For example there is the Shincheonji church, which developed from at least 4 former groups. Hosaeng Prayer House, Temple of the Tabernacle, Recreation Church. Maybe a video on the development of these churches may help people to get informed about them... I would be happy, if you are interested.

[@hokton8555]

i dont remember did he include P'ent'ay (ethiopian protestants)? theyre quite large too

[@makearunat]

How are those 'cults' any different from those that broke off from mainstream denominations?

[@revinhatol]

​@@hokton8555 Mekane Yesus

[@Fenrir214]

As a korean its going to be a hell of a job cuz it traces its history from mixing catholic based cults, protestant based cults, and mixes with buddhism, taoism, confucianism, and cheondoism. It merges together and becomes sort of an inbreeding starting from the late japanese occupation period to the early post korean war period. Personally itll be easier to see where the cult leaders studied and got influenced from like Moon seonmyeong, Lee Manhee, Choi Taemin, etc.

[@stickychocolate8155]

Oh good point. I have a friend who managed to leave one of those cults. I'm not sure of the official name but she calls them the "moonies"

[@Essex626]

I grew up with "The Trail of Blood" so I've been looking forward to this episode. I really would love to see someone do a full academic takedown of the theory--it's total ahistoric nonsense. But I've realized the reason there aren't any good takedowns of it is that it's a really fringe theory, and most people haven't even heard of it.

[@mumther_chaos2824]

Yup, I also grew up as a Landmark Missionary Baptist church! I've been waiting for this episode and I would also enjoy a deep academic dive into the trail of blood

[@kevinforbesofficial]

I mean, the Trail of Blood is specifically built around obscure sects that aren't well understood. But what we know of them would contradict this claim - for instance, the Bogomils and Cathars were both later Gnostic groups, believing that childbirth was evil because trapping souls in matter was bad. Because of this, anal sex was commonly practiced among Bogomils and Cathars, which led to "Bulgarian" (where Bogomils lived) being connected to Anal Sex and this is probably where the British English word Bugger comes from. That's neither here not there but it's funny to me.

[@ignaciogrial1872]

many evangelical pentecostal churches are preaching in latin america the theory of trail of blood but adapting it to pentecostalism

[@themahrs]

I have read "The Trail of Blood" and maybe I'm too gracious toward Carrol, as you guys make good points, but I think the proposal of the book is correct while the conclusions are not. There have obviously been churches through the world since the time of Christ that have practiced some, albeit not all, baptist distinctives, apart from the catholic church. The conclusion that these churches were theologically identical to IFB churches today is not knowable, but unlikely.

[@coolmanab_42069]

As someone from Australia, I would say the Uniting Church here is mainly Methodist like you stated in the video, about 1/3 of the Presbyterian churches still align with the Presbyterian denomination whereas most but not all of the Congregational churches joined UCA but some formed the conservative Fellowship of Congregational Churches (which is where I’m from). Additionally, the Wesleyan Methodist Church of Australia comes from the American branch, not the British branch, and thus still exists separate of the Uniting Church

[@matthewjulius5401]

Hi Aaron, As a Uniting Church in Australia (UCA) member I might want to nuance this a bit. At union (1977) the Methodist and Presbyterian churches were comparable in size. 1/3 of the Presbyterian Church did not join union; while the Methodists were "all in" with their voting. In practice the UCA is more Presbyterian or more Methodist depending where you are. In some Synods (regions) they lean more Methodist, in others more Presbyterian. I'd say at an official level the theology leans more (progressive) Presbyterian - at least I try to shape it that way 😅😅 Liturgical it's a mix of both. We're a complicated bunch in the UCA.

[@sherrijennings9309]

hi Matthew and Aaron, I'd like to add to your nuance; my experience of the uniting church (been there 37 years) is that the theology is really a "board chutch" and really depends on the individual congregation, and the individuals in that congregation. We have a variety of views in our congregation, and that's OK. I couldn't belong to a church where I was expected to think certain things, and thinking for myself was discouraged (like in some pentecostal churches). We have a few members who have come from the Methodist tradition and don't drink, gamble, or dance, but they don't expect everyone to hold those views.

[@redmonds9367]

Appreciating all the nuance, but to answer Matt's question, yes the Uniting Church in Australia is probably best placed under the Methodist branch on your chart as the Methodist church was the largest group at union given the split in presbyterian churches that joined (see Aaron and Matt's comments about the split)

[@matthewjulius5401]

@@redmonds9367 Fair.

[@Dave_Sisson]

My understanding is that when the Uniting Church was created in 1977, all Methodists, almost all Congregationalists and most Presbyterians joined. However a minority of the more conservative Presbyterians formed a "continuing" Presbyterian Church. In the 1980s they were joined by a few former Presbyterians defecting from the Uniting Church. However the conservative 'continuing' Presbyterians represented a minority of the church in 1977 and most Presbyterians at the time joined the Uniting Church and stayed in it.

[@Shocked-Face]

Is it possible that you could include non-American Baptists in your chart? Baptist Christianity is also a fairly popular in Canada, so it would be interesting to see where they come from. Your chart is great as always, thanks for the video!

[@BenAvraham배루린]

Hi! I'm an Adventist. I belong to a church called Glorious Seventh-Day Adventist Church Philippine Mission (or GSDA Philippine Mission). We slightly differ from the mainstream SDA churches, such as we celebrate Christmas, we eat pork, and more localized. Our church branches off from the mainstream in June 1921, and built churches in some places in Southern Tagalog region of the Philippines. We're only few in numbers (more or less 1000) and more liberal. So yea, our church is not that well-known. Anyways, I appreciate your religion videos Matt 🙏 Keep up the great work ✨💙🇵🇭

[@walasium]

I'm interested in learning more about your beliefs and practices, particularly compared with the more mainstream SDA churches. In what ways are you more liberal?

[@BenAvraham배루린]

@@walasium Basically our tenets aren't that strict (for example: we can go shopping or work even in Sabbath if necessary; and we can eat meat and pork, just not the blood part). And we are more localized, as in we have our own church leaders and ministers. I can't remember what else our Church makes different to the mainstream. But personally, I think having faith in Christ is enough, regardless of any good works 😇

[@siarhian10]

perhaps historical denominations that are now extinct should have a symbol to show it, like on "real" family trees (though maybe only the historically important ones that lead to the living ones?)

[@katherinegilks3880]

There are very few extinct groups on the chart, and for those that are, he has mentioned their extinction. Most of these groups still have some adherents or they have successor groups.

[@t_ylr]

Some Pentecostals trace their roots back to Methodists thru the Holiness Movement. In fact, the first person to preach "Baptism in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking tongues" was Charles Parham, a Methodist preacher who actually left for the Holiness Movement.

[@cswrye]

I'm assuming he's going to talk about that in a couple of episodes when he gets to the Third Great Awakening.

[@leullakew9579]

Finished Work Pentecostal theology is related to Pentecostals who hold a more Baptist-like theology when it comes to Christian perfection (i.e. not accepting the concept of entire sanctification/second work of grace) as opposed to Holiness Pentecostal theology which is held by Pentecostals who hold a more Methodist (Wesleyan-Holiness)-like theology around the topic of Christian perfection (i.e. support the concept of entire sanctification/second work of grace).

[@bobSeigar]

I don't know how new it is, but I do greatly appreciate the "Host Note" at the bottom left when starting the videos.

[@thestarsands]

I went to a Catholic primary school while attending the Salvation Army Church and even as a kid I knew there was a difference between the two I was being taught but I never knew how - thank you for showing this!

[@mjr_schneider]

I thought I should point out that John Wesley and George Whitefield officially remained Anglicans for their entire lives and their Methodist movement was entirely within the Church of England until after their deaths when they began ordaining their own ministers without permission. One group that you left out were the Calvinistic Methodists, which were very prominent in Wales and which followed George Whitefield instead of John Wesley.

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

When John ordained a Methodist 'superintendent' for America, the High Anglican Charles Wesley wrote a hymn against his brother saying, "On Coke hath Wesley laid his hands, but who lay hands on him?"

[@actionsub]

I would imagine the main reason the Calvinistic Methodists were omitted was because these days they are more likely to call themselves the Presbyterian Church of Wales rather than Methodists. It gets confusing fast.

[@smkruzik]

I've never waited for another part of a video series the way I've been waiting for these! Great work. Very informative

[@daniel.shalome]

26:00 finally it makes sense. this whole series was so worth the wait. thank you man thank you so much

[@abc_cba]

I'm from India and my church broke off from the World Methodist Council and became autonomous. I miss the Lent fasts, the cottage meetings, the community, the charity for the people with AIDS, sharing food with them, visiting the orphanages donating them the blankets and even donating blood for the hemophilia patients But I started getting agnostic and then atheist but I still miss the beautiful days of Christmas and the greeting cards which are all a dead tradition due to instant messaging.

[@highpath4776]

was there a reason - was it one church in one area or the entire Indian Methodists ?

[@joshygoldiem_j2799]

We still give each other Christmas cards in the UK

[@Ggdivhjkjl]

Plenty of people still send Christmas cards. Many Catholics and Orthodox keep the Lenten fast too.

[@highpath4776]

@@joshygoldiem_j2799 Well Card were basically a Victorian Invention thanks to the postal service, times change , many churches may just have one card from each member that is put on display, its not compulsory activity as a christian, we tend more to celebrate Midnight Mass or a Morning Service when we can.

[@Rabid_Nationalist]

​@@Ggdivhjkjl yeah. Orthodox have a 40 day christmas fast too.

[@VloggingThroughHistory]

Should probably have the Evangelical Congregational Church under the Methodists. They started as a German-speaking conference of Methodists (you have them on here as Albright Bretheren) in the Lancaster County, PA area but the Methodist Church wouldn't accept them so they formed their own denomination. They experienced a split over congregationalism and the part that split off eventually became the EC Church, the rest as the Evangelical Church eventually ended up EUB and then United Methodist. They are primarily in PA, Ohio, and Illinois.

[@chrismichaelyoung]

I wanted to also point out that the United Brethren wasn't covered nearly as much as I had hoped, as there was a split that led to the UBIC and EUB and was led by the father of the Wright brothers, Bishop Milton Wright. They split over whether members of the church should be allowed to take part in secret societies such as the Freemasons, among other things. The majority believed that it should be allowed, and formed the EUB. Where the EUB joined the Methodists, the UBIC is still very much alive today with Huntington University in Indiana and a museum in Lancaster, PA and many churches in between and abroad. I think I've heard that it was believed the United Brethren fully merged with the Methodists but it didn't.

[@nikaculebra8435]

Really loving this series. Matt, what a great job!

[@bflaminio]

This series feels like an extended version of the Emo Phillips "Die Heretic" joke.

[@jdotoz]

Me too!

[@scottmerritt9877]

Yep it’s my favorite.

[@dr.casebolt]

Thanks for adding the Shakers, as important as they were on influencing physical culture in the US people should know about them

[@HightechSoldier1]

The best serie ever...instead of paying thousand of dollars for an historic religious education...thank you very much...very appreciated

[@johnathanbowes5996]

These videos are great! In a future video, could you talk about the Christian denominations in Hawaiʻi? US missionaries and the Anglican Church played a key part in the history of Hawaiʻi and how it went from an independent nation to a US state.

[@Cr7Micto]

I believe that if not big enough, there is no reason to talk, sorry

[@thatonenerd21]

It feels like the longest 7 days of my life waiting for a new video.

[@thomasdixon4373]

It's interesting how vastly complicated the history of Christianity and it's denominations is

[@MK-oe5md]

This is overwhelming, confusing, and fascinating... love it!!!

[@comb528491]

This Eid Present is exactly what I wanted. Thanks for uploading

[@UsefulCharts]

Eid Mubarak!

[@revinhatol]

Maaf zahir dan batin!

[@revinhatol]

@@UsefulCharts Maaf zahir dan batin (Forgive the [wrong] deeds and thoughts)!

[@zacdredge3859]

The Uniting Church in Australia is indeed primarily Methodist; the local congregation in my city is called Wesley Uniting Church for example.

[@chrisdziedzic2544]

Matt, another great episode! I do wonder if you want to add a (smaller?) dotted line from the Anabaptists to the early Baptists to show the influence one group had on the other, even though the Baptists are more in line with the Separatists. Looking forward to Episodes 6 and 7.

[@martykenney11]

They definitely are. Yes they have grown different since but no doubt the Anabaptists of Holland theology was much inline with what became the Baptists, especially the American Baptists set up by Williams in Providence Rhode Island

[@manitoublack]

Great work Matt. I'm an Australian that went to a School aligned with the Uniting Church of Australia. It's often referred to as the 'Wesley Uniting Church." So I think your positioning of it is sensible. Keep up the great work Jordan

[@makeitbig0966]

Some individual Uniting Churches are named after John and/or Charles Wesley, but the denomination as a whole is not referred to like this.

[@annariijarvi8866]

I’ve loved this series, as I do all of your religion ones! One addition to the tree I’d like to point out would be the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland. They separated from the Swedish one in 1809 (because Sweden lost the area that became known as Finland to Russia after a war, but because Finland became an autonomous part of the Russian Empire we got to keep our religion). And yes, I’m from Finland which is why I noticed this 😂

[@neitan6891]

I’m loving this series! I’d LOVE to see series on branches of the various world religions as well. Thank you for all the work you put into this channel!

[@thestarsands]

It is so interesting that you said that the United Church of Canada symbol was so recognisable to you because as an Australian the Uniting Church was the exact same for me. I’m not apart of that Church at all so I can’t really help you with which part is larger but I am so happy to see some Australian Church representation on here (which sounds so weird now I type it out) I’m totally going to buy this poster

[@rebeccasunflower]

I know, I was the same with the Australian Uniting Church symbol. The Uniting Church is huge in my part of the country, due to Cornish Methodist miners. Unfortunately, I don’t think I will buy the chart (at this stage), due to the lack of Australian representation in the Lutheran branches of the tree.

[@bdlarsen1225]

As a LDS, look forward to the next episode. I am interested in what branches of Mormonism you will put on the chart. There are quite a few in the Church's history. LDS, Community of Christ (RLDS), Remnant LDS, and the fundamenalists are the largest I think.

[@jdotoz]

Whether LDS belongs on this chart at all is going to be somewhat controversial.

[@iggle6448]

@@jdotoz 👍

[@diegobaird]

As a exmo I am forward as well. I to see more of branches of Mormonism that are not well known. I have heard other branch off.

[@MrCoxmic]

if nothing else this series highlights the differences in theology and the lds may actually have the biggest chasm in christian theology, i'm not saying they are not christian (in their intrepretation) just that it is dramatically different, when many of these christian denominations/churches cannot even accept that the others are christian and vice-a-versa the lds are another big step

[@bdlarsen1225]

@@jdotoz Matt made it clear this is from an academic perspective rather than a doctrinal one. Size, scope and basic beliefs, the movement as a whole belongs on the chart.

[@jasonnickel384]

One missing Baptist conference in the US is the NABC (North American Baptist Conference) which was started by German Baptists in Philadephia in the 1840s.

[@KamalaKountry]

You should add the Independent Fundamentalist Baptists and New Independent Fundamentalist Baptists. Great videos! I'm loving this series!

[@ScareWest]

I would say that the Methodists in Australia were also the largest out of the 3 that joined to be the Uniting Church of Australia.

[@WesleyFreedom]

Great Video - one note: The Methodist Episcopal Church was founded in Baltimore in 1784, before Wesley's death. Due to the lack of Anglican clergy in America leading to there not being sacraments for Americans, Wesley took the extraordinary step of ordaining Thomas Coke as a Superintendent (bishop) and sending him to America with a new methodist prayerbook & articles of religion for a new denomination.

[@cswrye]

I was very happy to see the Landmark Baptists and the Trail of Blood! It's a fringe theory that I grew up with, and even though it's totally ridiculous, I enjoy seeing it get mentioned. I usually see this theory called Baptist Successionism, although from what I can tell, it's the same thing as Landmark Baptism. I was originally disappointed that Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) were not on the chart, but I think that the way Matt handled it was fine. He's focusing mostly on denominations and conventions, and the Baptist Bible Fellowship International (BBFI) is the closest thing that the IFB has to a convention. I do personally think it would be better to clarify that it was IFB churches that formed the BBFI, maybe by putting them on the line between the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC) and the BBFI. I also think it's worthwhile to mention that the SBC also goes by the name Great Commission Baptists. It hasn't officially changed its name, so it shouldn't be updated on the chart itself, but there has been talk of changing the name for a while, so it's good to acknowledge the alternate name. I was a bit disappointed that the Church of the Nazarene didn't make the cut under Methodists. I'm still hoping he talks about them when he goes into the Holiness Movement. The history of the Nazarenes is tied pretty closely to the Holiness Movement and the Third Great Awakening (much like the Salvation Army), even though theologically, they have more in common with Methodist and Wesleyan churches than with other holiness churches. EDIT: Based on other comments, it looks like he's going to cover the Church of the Nazarene along with the other holiness churches when he gets to the Third Great Awakening.

[@anemicgoalhop495]

So the Trail of Blood theory is ridiculous? Give me your best points against it.

[@weepingscorpion8739]

Really cool episode again. Looking forward to see more about the Plymouth Brethren which have managed to become the 2nd largest denomination in the Faroe Islands at around 10-12%. It's second only to the Faroese People's Church to which I belong and which broke off from the Danish People's Church in 2007 as an independent church. Probably one of the smallest in the world with around 45,000 members. I don't have the exact number.

[@macklyn]

These are wonderful charts. What episode should I watch to learn about the origins of the Unitarian Universalist Church?

[@yiaq3551]

I don't recall them being discussed, but they're a merger between Unitarians, which stem from the Reformed, and Universalists, which took influence from many protestant traditions. If I had to guess, it'll be discussed in the final episode or will be left out entirely (as UU no longer considers itself a Christian organization, though many members are Christian).

[@hokton8555]

@@yiaq3551 yeah unitarian is pretty different from other christian groups

[@UsefulCharts]

I'll mention them next time.

[@macklyn]

@@UsefulCharts Wonderful, thanks!

[@jamesellis1190]

Long term Uniting Church in Australia member here :) At Union in 1977, the entire Methodist church of Australasia joined the Uniting Church. About 2/3 of the Presbyterian Church and 3/4 of the Congregationalist Church also joined. The UCA is the formal and legal successor of all three churches, but Congregational churches and Presbyterian churches continued after 77 (although in a far more conservative way - for example the Presbyterian Church of Australia had ordained women for decades but voted to stop the practice in the early 90s). The UCA while Methodist (and Presbyterian and Congregationalist) in heritage, has formed its own identity as contained in our Basis of Union.

[@Koutouhara]

I wonder if at the end of the series or in a separate video if you'll talk about Unitarian Universalists? Some of their origins are from the two groups in their name, the Unitarians and the Universalists, to make a wholly new kind of group. UU's often get mistaken as just Unitarians or just Universalists (they also I think have a little influence from the Quakers early on too and get compared to them a lot) but UUs are a secular group instead - so you can have UU Buddhists, UU Pagans, UU Jews, UU XYZ, etc. Since it's more about bringing people together from different backgrounds to a common place of understanding under a covenant that doesn't put people at odds. I've worked at one for over 9 years but it's been amazing to have that sense of community without being forced to believe what everyone next to you does. We all have our own beliefs but still sing, work, eat, & drink together in one congregation. It's kinda cool to see something come out the other side of Christianity that isn't more dogma - especially something that, to me, would normally be traumatizing. I left the Southern Baptist religion my family follows because it was against my views and traumatizing to me. I became a Shintō practitioner to heal myself and reconnect with my heritage; But the US doesn't have that many Shintō shrines, and especially none where I live in TX. I needed some place I could still follow my Shintō beliefs and also have a community of people that respect and challenge me as a person 🩵✨💙✨

[@marinhoizaias]

I'm baptist since I was a child and that's the most accurate video I've ever seen about church history

[@LandgraabIV]

Brazil is becoming a Protestant country very fast. Let's see what the 2022 census says but most estimations say that Catholics are no longer a majority. I've seen this happening personally. My mother and father converted from Catholicism to the Reformed Church and Baptist Church respectively in their youths. Their siblings and parents eventually did too. Now all of my family members who are religious are Protestant, not Catholic.

[@justanotheryoutubefan8070]

I am so beyond excited for the complete chart and to purchase it!!

[@quoteh]

Hi Matt, thank you so much for your videos. At 2:58 I think the correct name is World Communion of Reformed Churches.

[@UsefulCharts]

You are correct! I'll fix it.

[@katherinegilks3880]

Thanks for the extra information about the UCC logo! I’d never noticed that before.

[@epicsamurai5]

I can't wait for the finished chart.

[@OffRampTourist]

I grew up Missionary Baptist but we often attended Southern Baptist as MB had few churches. Was taught we were and always had been the only true church. I am so excited about this series and this video. I've tried but couldn't figure out the real history of the organization I was immersed in for my first 15 years.

[@ObligatoryReference]

I love this chart, but it's starting to remind me of that Emo Philips joke: "Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?" He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too!" Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over."

[@stuartharper5646]

UsefulCharts, I have been loving this series. Thank you for creating it. I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I also have been studying the history of my faith all of my life. If you are needing any resources or information I would be happy to help you by providing what I know and pointing you in the correct direction if you need more than I can provide. Thank you again.

[@matthewjohnson7241]

Matt, thank you so much for this series! I eagerly wait for every episode. Question on this one. I grew up in the General Association of Regular Baptist Churches. Where would they fall in the Baptist tree and in comparative size where do they stack up to those listed? Thank you again!

[@UsefulCharts]

You should ask Joshua from Ready to Harvest. He'd be able to give a much better answer.

[@TAdler-ex8px]

Even though I am a curious learner, watching your content and Josh’s content makes my brain feel very small. It also gives me a desire to meditate and pray on John 17:20-21. Blessings ❤

[@bearwoody]

I enjoyed your riff on origin stories. I was raised, in the 1950s and 60s in a Jehovah's Witness household. I fully expect to see them listed as an offshoot from the Adventists. As far as an origin story goes, they fully believe that they can trace their theological lineage all the way back to Abel! Also, they stopped using the moniker John the Baptist quite a while back, because some people believe he was a Baptist and not a Jew. So they call him John the Baptizer in their literature. Fun facts about that group!!!

[@natenae8635]

Interesting, thanks for the facts 🙂

[@TheHylianBatman]

Wow, very interesting! There's so much Christianity in the world, I love learning about what they have in common, and what they have in difference!

[@georgebernard5783]

24:19 Only 70% of the Presbyterian Church in Canada joined the United Church of Canada and the original denomination still exists today though only numbering just under 90,000

[@stephaniecarroll1542]

Same thing happened in Australia, and now the Australian Presbyterian Church is comparatively conservative. There was one Minister in a church a suburb over from mine who was the last female Presbyterian Minister in Australia because they abolished the ordination of women after the split/merger with the UCA but they couldn't un-ordain an existing Minister 😅

[@Amish_Trivedi]

I feel sometimes like we're in a great awakening now- and it has a kind of vengeance to it.

[@SpaveFrostKing]

As a non-religious person this fascinates and confuses me. Do all these groups think "we're the correct Christianity, everyone else is wrong"?

[@lizzycorvus5109]

I mean everyone thinks their stance is correct, but how far they take that stance varies, ranging from fairly friendly ecumenical relations between mainline churches to hardcore Independent Baptists who think Catholics are pagan

[@sbennett2435]

Yep. Talk about confusing huh? Some even think the others aren't even Christians.

[@wolliveryoutube]

Yes. Those who don’t think that usually don’t hold very strongly to their doctrine. You have to realize that these are extremely important issues dividing Christians. Something like the Filioque may seem like an extremely trivial issue to people looking in from the outside, but to Eastern Orthodox Christians it is vital that the Filioque be resisted. To include it throws the whole way Christians viewed the Trinity out of whack, in their views.

[@jdotoz]

​@@wolliveryoutube To be clear, opposition to the filioque ranges from "It's heretical" to "The west shouldn't have added it to the Creed like that." There are Orthodox who have no theological objections to it.

[@cswrye]

It depends on the denomination. There are definitely some that believe they are the only "true" Christian church, but they are in the minority. Most accept that other denominations are Christians, but they are in error on some non-essential elements of theology. Some denominations don't even disagree on theology--they formed due to geographic, cultural, or political reasons that made it more practical to organize separately, but they still agree with other denominations. There are councils of denominations that share beliefs.

[@fundncrdude]

Hey Matt, I'm loving this!!! Can't wait for the final poster. I just binge-watched all the videos so, not sure which is which, but, I'm happy to see that you added the SSPX, and yes, they are a weird situation within Roman catholicism that has yet to be reformed. I'd also add the new personal ordinariates formed within the Roman church's structure, which are the result of decades of conversations between individual Anglican churches and bishoprics with Rome and has created a mechanism for churches in the Anglican communion to come into communion with Rome while maintaining their own parochial structures, their own rite(s), and their own theology, as long as it is not in direct contrast to fundamental beliefs of Roman catholicism.

[@jps0117]

@4:37 Those are some kick-ass names. I'm gonna join one of those groups so I can tell people I'm a "Digger", "Ranter" or "Muggletonian"!

[@rogerstone3068]

Unfortunately, that would make you extinct.

[@henricoz_9745]

​​@@rogerstone3068 Nice

[@jps0117]

@@rogerstone3068 That doesn't sound so bad :)

[@alpha4IV]

This might be the 1st chart I buy from you. Very good work sir.

[@highpath4776]

You can have great fun with the Methodists in England, which even split in some towns following different preachers. The main division though seemed to be "Methodists" and "Weslyan Methodists" , not all of which at local level would join when the higher leadership did, some Methodists would join the Congregationalist Groups or Reform Church as United Reformed Church. Nowdays for some practical purposes local methodist congregations may meet in Anglican buildings due to falling numbers and sharing overhead finances.

[@thepalerider]

At the end of the day, despite all the branching of off of theologies, our relationship with Christ is the one thing we all have in common. Under Christ we are 1. We would be wise to never forget this.

[@augiegirl1]

You should listen to the song “Saving the World”, released by Clay Crosse in 1997. Here’s the lyrics: So many preachers So many churches and denominations Got their opinions and their documents And statements and beliefs and sometimes There's a miscommunication And we complicate the truth And convolute the story But as far as I recall I do believe it all Chorus: Comes down to a man dying on a cross Saving the world Rising from the dead Doing what He said He would do Loving everyone He saw When it's said and done it all Comes down to a man dying on a cross Saving the world It isn't a secret And maybe I'm being simple minded But it's about Jesus and a way, a truth, a life That can change a heart and a soul forever And we need to be reminded It's the power of the blood That brings us to redemption We can rise above the fall And the reason for it all Repeat chorus Bridge: All the people beneath the steeple Are just reaching For the truth that can save a helpless soul We wrestle with the mystery in the teaching But the news is all good I think that we should Remember one thing. In Fremont, Nebraska, where I grew up, First Lutheran Church was host to Spoudazo (meaning “Energetic Youth” in Latin), a high school singing group composed of students from more than a dozen churches in town. I was part of this group the summer after I graduated from high school in 1997. As part of the Spoudazo show, a skit is performed which is paired with a Contemporary Christian song released the previous year. This song was part of the show summer of 1998, the year after it was released; the skit it was paired with showed 4 medical personnel trying to decide how to inform a family that their loved one has died in surgery: the surgeon is Lutheran, his resident is Baptist, one nurse is Catholic, & another nurse is Pentecostal.

[@xeladas]

I can't remember, has he mention the Adamites in any of his earlier videos? They are certainly an interesting branch of this "family tree": first being recorded in 2nd, 3rd and 4th centuries, then appearing again a millennia later, they wished to return to Adam and Eve's "primeval innocence" and as such opposing things such as strict hierarchies, marriage, human laws and even clothing.

[@MargeryMark]

Absolutely fascinating! Even I, as an anti-clericalist, find this remarkably interesting and educational. More please! Thank you!

[@lacyLor]

I noticed John Wesley and the holiness movement were covered here, but not the largest Wesleyan-holiness denomination in the world, the Church of the Nazarene. Will it be covered later?

[@UsefulCharts]

Yes.

[@cswrye]

He hasn't covered the holiness movement yet since that happened during the Third Great Awakening. I'm hoping he gets to it then.

[@sherrijennings9309]

Hi Matt, thanks so much for this series! and I'm super excited that you included the Uniting Church of Australia. I feel like we often get forgotten, so great job 👏

[@christiancarlson2983]

Great video! Just one typo at 0:22 where you put "Later Day Saints" instead of "Latter Day Saints". Again, thanks for this great series of videos!!

[@Dank-gb6jn]

This was an interesting video to watch! Generally speaking, in my area it seems that roughly 80% of churches are Baptist, and the rest are a myriad mix of Methodists, Lutherans, and Church of God...maybe a Nazarene or two in there as well. I learned much more about Baptists, and while I don’t exactly feel any more or less comfortable with a Baptist church; I feel more comfortable discussing or listening to a Baptist’s POV.

[@susiethomas6909]

Hi, Matt! I’m really enjoying this series. Could you please cover the Stone Campbell Movement churches (Church of Christ, Christian Churches, Disciples of Christ)? I’d like to know where they fit on the chart. Thank you! 🌸😊

[@cswrye]

Those churches are part of the Restorationist movement that came out of the Second Great Awakening, so I expect him to cover them in the next video.

[@susiethomas6909]

@@cswrye thank you so much!

[@gideonb-boy3523]

Hi Matt, First of all my dad and I really enjoy watching your series on Christian Denominations. We are Dutch and part of the Catholic Apostolic Church which formed in 1832 by a group of 12 men (apostles) known in England as Urvinism. We were wondering whether you are gonna include this medium sized church (at its high it had a couple hundred thousand members) into on of your episodes and into the big chart. Once again we really love your videos, keep up the great informative and amusing work❤👍😁

[@dinocollins720]

Hyped for Latter-day Saints next episode!

[@madamekadz]

Interesting video. I'm a Methodist from Jamaica in the Caribbean. Methodism was brought to the Caribbean from England by Dr. Thomas Coke in 1786. The council for the region is known as Methodist Churches in the Caribbean and Americas (M.C.C.A.) and includes Central American countries eg. Belize & Panama, Caribbean Islands and Guyana.

[@MohammedR-fk2ju]

The map of Egypt is incomplete; the Halaib triangle is claimed and controlled by Egypt, so the map should reflect that

[@allanlank]

Love this series Matt. As a Canadian Convention Baptist, I was interested in watching this video. Excellent as usual.

[@margot-td9nc]

Not sure if you've already covered this, but it might be helpful to discuss what makes something a denomination, versus, say, just a group or another religion entirely. Additionally, would the recent Christian charismatic movement be considered a denomination?

[@highpath4776]

It does seem that "Charismatic" churches as such seem to have faded , but I have been in Anglican (CofE) , Baptist and other church meetings at local churches and larger gatherings where aspects of "Charismatic" have been taken as an important sign of faith/belief. Personally for me Christianity is not a religion of great "highs" (and the often lows), but the practical sharing of faith in God and Charity (goodwill) to all of humanity - effectively the "gift" of love - since actually searching and finding the best in others (and ourselves) is not easy to achieve.

[@AnaIvanovic4ever]

It is fascinating how almost all names of political and religious movements used to be derogatory names. Cavaliers and Roundheads, Puritans, the Democratic Donkey and Republican Elephant was insults from the beginning as well if I remember correctly. And also Methodists.

[@Saratogan]

As one who is called Plymouth Brethren, I find it interesting that you align us with a baptist origin. It is, as with many others, far more complicated. The actual original PB's were anglican. John Nelson Darby was an anglican cleric. The first gathering of those who would later be called the Plymouth Brethren was actually in Dublin Ireland. It was in the 1840s when things began to grow in England that they became known as the "brethren from Plymouth" because the largest congregation was, in fact, at Plymouth England at the time. The baptist side was an addition of the 1850s when baptist pastors like George Mueller denied clericalism and began fellowshipping with the brethren (note the lower case "b" in brethren, this is important). Those who began the fellowships eschewed clericalism and denominationalism taking the statement of Jesus very seriously: "One [Christ/Holy Spirit] is your Teacher, and you are all brethren." Hope that this helps with your studies. I am enjoying your charts.

[@UsefulCharts]

Why do you say that I aligned you with a Baptist origin? I have the Plymouth Brethren under the Second Great Awakening, which is distinct from the Baptists. I will discuss it more next time.

[@Saratogan]

@@UsefulCharts , I may have misunderstood. I thought that I saw us in the chart as a part of the baptist branch. Maybe I need to review. 🙂

[@williamsuggs7893]

I have only seen one of these churches but I've seen Southern Methodist churches. Where would you say they would fall into your chart

[@Lynxdoc]

This may sound crazy - I grew up Southern Baptist (now I'm Presbyterian/Reformed) and was taught that Baptist traced their roots to John the Baptist. (not too far off the chart you showed - landmark)

[@jdotoz]

Yup, John Smyth the Baptist.

[@sup3rgh0stcs]

I remember people telling me that (I've always been Catholic) and it didn't make any sense. God bless!

[@cswrye]

Yes, this is essentially what the Landmark Baptists teach. It's a fringe theory that even most Baptists don't believe anymore, but those that do use it to claim that they are the only "real" Christian church.