History of WWI Primer 014: Canadian Ross Rifle Mark III Documentary

[@ZGryphon]

"He is a majestic, majestic creature in history."

[@DrBreezeAir]

What really suprizes me is how low the view count is. This is one of the best produced and well presented gun shows on KZbin. Of course they don't blow up gas tanks or spray bullets at soda bottles and that's what IMO makes it even better. They describe the details of the firearm it's background, it's creator. And you gotta love those animations. This is a fantastic project and I thank you for a brilliant job you're doing and wish you all the best! Can't wait for your take on the Mosin-Nagant.

[@Huntinggearguy]

+DrBreezeAir I agree, this is a fantastic overview of the history and use of the Ross.

[@PieterBreda]

+DrBreezeAir It was only released yesterday and I saw it only in my list today

[@nicholasford4820]

+DrBreezeAir Hit the nail on the head. This is the thinking man's gun show.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Nicholas Ford Thank you guys! The boy fell asleep, he'd been up for over 50 hours finishing up the episode so I know when he wakes up after noon today he'll seriously appreciate the love!

[@Candrsenal]

+DrBreezeAir I woke up and my inbox is atomic so I think people are starting to notice! All good things in time I suppose!

[@cosmonaut379]

the fact that dude bought a cannon and blew up his neighbour's house is hilarious to me

[@wuldntuliktonoptb6861]

Gavlick Apthesycerski guess he won that boarder dispute

[@fien111]

19th Century Hunter S Thompson.

[@royperkins3851]

Gavlick Apthesycerski the funniest part was he used a church plate i.e. religious relic to pay for the cannon that he used to blow Up his neighbors house ! Bet that went over real well with Saint Peter!

[@kerriwilson7732]

Kind of a matter of perspective. Neighbour wasn't amused at all...

[@danieldykstra3079]

Meanwhile, in Scotland...

[@Xbuschwacker]

Nearly an hour of content of this caliber? You're no longer just a KZbin channel, you're a documentary crew!

[@Candrsenal]

+Xbuschwacker Sometimes there are more details available. The Ross has a LOT of ups and downs. This episode doesn't even get into commercial models, scoped rifles, or the Mk I and Mk II variants.

[@Xbuschwacker]

+C&Rsenal I really appreciate the work you two are putting into this project. Your content is among the very best available on KZbin.

[@Candrsenal]

Xbuschwacker Thanks!

[@maewinchester2030]

+Xbuschwacker Thank you!

[@TheGreatWar]

Definitely your Magnum Opus yet. Great episode. PS Proud to say that we are all wearing pants at the moment.

[@maewinchester2030]

+The Great War I agree! Thank you!LOL, hurray for pants!

[@Candrsenal]

+The Great War Even Toni?

[@wingracer1614]

+The Great War No pants here. Or anything else for that matter.

[@Chiller01]

The Great War À

[@neptune3569]

such normies

[@killerfrenchy]

As a Canadian, I've always wanted to learn about this gun since all we learned about it in high school was that it was unreliable junk and troops would sometimes even take fallen german soldiers rifles to replace them if they couldn't find a lee-enfield at the time. Thank you for this and thank you to The Great War channel for introducing me to you and Mae. You guys did an amazing job.

[@Candrsenal]

+killerfrenchy Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@ulvschmidt7174]

To be fair the mauser is an excelent rifle and assumin you can get the amunition the lee isnt much of an upgrade

[@avian68tb]

You can blame Sam Hughes for that. He was the embodiment of overwhelming ego ( imagine Donald Trump, but worse ) that represented the worst of Canada's government at the time.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

FWIU it’s tolerances were tighter than the SMLE, so it had more trouble with iffy out of spec British ammo.

[@markwalker4485]

The author said it as it was. The Ross was a wonderful rifle but not ment for war. We still used it for snipers because that’s what it was good for. I love it but she is a pain

[@great769]

Great video, my Grandfather took me to the War Museum in Halifax NS, in the early 1960's and when we got to the the Ross display he lost it, he railed on how the Ross got men killed, he was all most in a rage, he then took me to the Enfield display and talked about the Enfield almost like he was talking about his first love. I never found out what his experienced was, he was gone before I was old enough that I could ask him, but I remember that day with him.

[@Candrsenal]

+great769 Not an unfair reaction considering the lives lost in these "little" mistakes.

[@jamessutton9476]

I'm a Canadian, I have the Ross Mk III, it's the civilian sporting carbine variant (Ross Mk II, Model of 1910, R-10, ".303 Ross") with a shorter lighter barrel and stock with a 6-round single stack magazine. Fast firing and smooth, basically addresses everything they didn't like about it. I'd be happy to lend it to Othais and Mae.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

this must be the kind my brother owned and I own now. The barrel was never over 26 inches but still has its sights and crown. The ross mk3 military barrels are over 26 inches long around 30 inches

[@pilotbarusarao8728]

भाई जी 280 बोर राईफल के काटरेज मिल जाऐगा कनैढा से पता करो जरूर पता भेज दो मै लेऊगा

[@amandahammond2691]

Charles Ross is my spirit animal.

[@shilelea]

Ross also declared his castle part of the USA in an attempt to avoid taxes

[@Candrsenal]

+shilelea rofl

[@coryfice1881]

There needs to be a bio pick of him. This guy sounds amazing.

[@fbi6909]

Larry Ballenger no u

[@tessalyyvuo1667]

LOL Kent Hovind should have tried a similar tactic to avoid taxes. Wouldn't even be his craziest claim.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

so basically like all the current ultra-rich in Canada. las plus sa change eh?

[@mikekovacs8981]

Great episode. I'm Canadian and believe it or not, there is a HUGE love of these rifles up in Canada. Full military ones are not easy to come by these days. Many served for many years up in hunt camps taking moose every fall.

[@KebeQ]

Mike Kovacs is it just me, or they are really hard to find in Canada

[@smokybear4204]

@@KebeQ kinda like how early ww1 and some ww2 weapons you can't find in Japan or Germany cause of cause they got taken by the winning powers or exported out

[@mikec8086]

@@smokybear4204 most weapons of the losing powers get destroyed or dumped in the sea. Its essentially sold as scrap metal if they decide to sell them .

[@Strato50]

The Canadian government chopped up THOUSANDS of these rifles post WW2. A bunch were sold to surplus, and either cut by vendors or owners. A decent number of full military versions exist, and de-sporterized examples are becoming more popular.

[@vernonfindlay1314]

My father has talked a lot of these rifles,and yes Nova Scotian moose.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

Very good clip, sir. Good background, but notwithstanding the rearming of the British Army after the Boer War, I might confirm that Canada re-armed in 1895/6 with the MLE (from the Snider) and was armed with this rifle during the Boer War. It seemed as though your presentation indicated that the Canadian forces in SA were armed generally with obsolete weapons including the Martini Enfield during that war. Great exposure of the ridiculous relationship between Hughes and other political entities. Great animation, and supporting features... Thanks.

[@Candrsenal]

+britishmuzzleloaders Forces in field were usually armed with the MLE but there were exceptions. Also Canadian forces in Canada were not being prioritized for upgrades because of repeated world issues.

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

C&Rsenal Weapon procurement in the late 1890s and early 1900s sure was "something" indeed... lots of tiny batches of differing weapons. Thanks again for a great video. What is Mae's background in shooting/history?

[@Candrsenal]

britishmuzzleloaders Mostly she just puts up with me! She has more of a casual sport shooting background and we sourced her for being willing, the right height, and available. It's kinda fun watching her get more and more familiar with these things. Love the channel btw!

[@britishmuzzleloaders]

C&Rsenal I agree! Mae's input is a good addition. Thanks for the kind words, too! I enjoy your polished and well produced take on these great old weapons, immensely. Cheers.

[@jean-francoissoucy8340]

That intro on Charles Ross is worth the watch. Now i want to know more about that lovable SoB.

[@Candrsenal]

+Jean-François Soucy Probably the only time I've laughed out loud for 5 whole pages of tiny print in a gun book.

[@tyleracmason]

@@Candrsenal I just found out tonight that my half-siblings are related to him on their father's side. That's why I started looking into the Ross rifle. I can't get over that Charles Ross has books written about him and my half-brother could have a book written about him. If only you could hear some of his stories. Some sound a little like Charles Ross as you describe except my brother is thankfully a better businessman, LOL! When he gets to telling stories, anyone listening will laugh for hours.

[@BikerJim74]

Guys, this is the best video yet. Excellent work.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Biker Jim Thank you so much!

[@fredsmith5473]

My great uncle was a British soldier issued with a Ross in early 1918. He said it was an incredibly good rifle and devastatingly accurate. He was a sniper. Generally, the story of the Ross rifle was a sad one. Thanks for producing this.

[@Candrsenal]

Glad you enjoyed it.

[@Dgotpwnd]

"He is a majestic creature in history..." is now one of my favorite quotes XD

[@clayronso3932]

We know that the bolt was assembled right since Mae is still with us.

[@Candrsenal]

+Clay Ronso WE'RE GONNA NEED ANOTHER TIMMY

[@clayronso3932]

+C&Rsenal I'm the baby. Gotta love me!

[@monkeyfarmer1138]

Dinosaurs refence +3 NOT THE MAMA!

[@maewinchester2030]

+Clay Ronso Made it!

[@Dedfaction]

Very informative and interesting, right up there with Forgotten Weapons.

[@Candrsenal]

+Dedfaction Thanks!

[@jean-francoissoucy8340]

Maybe that why the Canadians did so well in WWI, they vented their frustration about their rifle on the enemy.

[@Candrsenal]

+Jean-François Soucy rofl

[@jeyendeoso]

when it jams its a 10 pound cricket bat

[@georgeh.armstrong8140]

When it jams, it's from trying to eat OVERSIZED ammunition which was REJECTED for British use. With decent ammo, the rifle was FINE.

[@michaelcoulter1114]

|T-Bside| Jey XP You meant a 10 pound hockey stick, didn't you? 🍁❤

[@willblucat3335]

Michael Coulter different time period my friend

[@Badwolf75]

In his book A Rifleman Went to War, the author makes mention of the Ross staying in favor with Canadian snipers after it pulled from line use. Great video. Great series.

[@Candrsenal]

We are hoping to lure some scoped rifles out for half episodes, so we have been leaving it for now.

[@Procket12]

The story of this rifle is basically summed up as National Lampoon's Rifle Maker, staring John Belushi as Ross.

[@Candrsenal]

oh boy.

[@Horus_the_Lupercal]

I would watch the hell out of that.

[@WickedTester176]

Is that a raincoat?

[@tamlandipper29]

Bad casting. use Greg Davies. Bighuge bastard.

[@rexmundi3108]

Well, this is I think the ultimate video on the Ross Rifle. I just came back to rewatch it because the Ross company came into my house today in the form of a bayonet. In the 200 year old farmhouse my mom grew up in there was a 100 year old bayonet. It had been brought back from Europe by my great grandfather and I was always curious about it. Today my aunt dropped it off for me to look at. It'a Ross rifle bayonet from the CEF 10th battalion. This raises some questions, as my great grandfather served with the Royal Newfoundland Regiment, not Canada. He was at Gallipole, the Somme, and a few other nasty locations and I had assumed it was a trophy. Anyway, I wanted a refresher on the Ross rifle. Yours is the best.

[@cg_coyote]

I love how much I learn from your guy's show. I just eat up every episode that comes out.

[@Candrsenal]

+fuzzywiseman Thank you for that!

[@djamesthree]

Thanks for this video, my Grandfather almost certainly carried one of these as he enlisted in the Canadian Army early in 1915. He later transferred to the American army when they joined the war in 1917, perhaps part of his decision to transfer was based on this rifle. I was fascinated by the history you were able to relate on this rifle, it is unfortunate that the Canadian govt couldn't do a better job for their boys before sending them in harms way. Please keep up the good work guys!

[@Candrsenal]

+djamesthree Glad to hear you were able to make such a personal connection!

[@DJones476]

They tried. The British stubbornly refused to grant Canadian arsenals a licence to manufacture SMLEs at the time, though. I've also been informed on a different thread that the M1903 Springfield was out of the question due to potential logistics problems. Everybody in this country (especially _eastern_ Canadians) loves to bitch about the Americans, but here is the reality: When it comes to relations with Britain, we've been fucked more times than a choir boy in a Vatican sauna!

[@Paragoth]

I think this is up there as my favorite episode this far, between Ian from Forgotten Weapons and my own interest, I'd learned a bit about the Ross rifle, but this was by far the most comprehensive review of the subject I've taken in this far. Now with that said, talking about the Ross in relation with the Enfield has me jonesing for coverage of the subject! Great stuff as always Othias, Mae, and crew!

[@Candrsenal]

+SteamPoweredRudeBoy All in good time!

[@blackpowderburner7296]

This was fantastic. In my opinion your most enjoyable and in depth episode yet! I'm a proud Canadian and a serious Ross fanboy and it drives me nuts thinking that if the rifle was put through some more serious r and d it could have rocked the great european wars! Thanks for doing this episode and keep em coming!

[@blackpowderburner7296]

Also! You didn't mention the Huot lmg, was this an oversight or deliberate decision? Seems like a nifty detail to mention

[@Candrsenal]

+Blackpowder Burner Trying to keep things separate. We also didn't mention any scoped rifles so far in the series. If we do partials everywhere we'll have duplicate info in the long run.

[@BikerJim74]

Wow, this is almost an hour. Awesome.

[@Candrsenal]

+Biker Jim Glad to hear it isn't a chore.

[@BikerJim74]

C&Rsenal No way, I enjoyed it immensely. I think it is your best video yet.

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

The most awesome is that it went by me before I realized. Great quality content, not tiring at all.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

My bro shot his Ross MK3 and I shot Enfield no4mk1 . We both shot 500 yards spare tire. He shot under 1 moa, 2 same hoke and 1 shit an inch away. I shot moa at 5 inches apart. Both shot the hunting rounds,180 grains. He passed away last year and now I own that rifle. I fixed up the broken stock and refinished it and made it look good again.

[@dalanwanbdiska6542]

***2 same hole and 1 shot an inch away***

[@Matt_The_Hugenot]

Ok, that was a superb episode on the most interesting rifle of WW1 asked one of my all time favourites, I'm so glad you took the time to go into some of the detail properly. 9.5/10 Once all the issues had been fixed and had it been given a shorter, even carbine length, barrel I really think it could have been the best rifle of the war, particularly if it had retained the .280 cartridge. Even as it is in its final form the Ross is still the best 300+ metre battle rifle of the period. When firing on the move with the Ross it's much easier to drop to one knee than to take the time to make aimed shots from standing unless you're tall with strong arms, it makes its barrel heavy balance much easier to handle. I can only imagine the balance would have been even worse with the bayonet fixed.

[@Candrsenal]

+Matthew Doye Glad you liked it!

[@jackjones9460]

I accidentally clicked over here while watching Mae’s minute. I wish I knew where I’d clicked because I’d like to be able to do it with most episodes. I love Mae’s smile which ends each episode but also what to see the shadowbox without the “shorts” overlay.

[@eaglelord1780]

Thank you for doing a episode which shows the faults of the Ross ACCURATELY. Too many people keep saying the fault was the mud etc. without doing any research as to the actual issues of the Ross. One thing you did forget for issues, was the tendency for the bayonet to fall off when the rifle was shot.

[@Candrsenal]

+Eaglelord17 I had heard that mentioned with the MkII** but not with the Mk III so I let it sit, since if we get around to the Mk II I can cover it there.

[@hedgehog3900]

Had to watch in two parts due to (cough) unforseen circumstances.This gave me three very pleasant experiences out of one. You two plus the behind camera folk weave magic,it really works.Thank you.

[@Candrsenal]

+Hedge hog I'm glad it all came out OK.

[@kenander45]

I found you through The Great War. Wonderful episode, 5 ***** stars!

[@maewinchester2030]

+kenander45 Glad to have you aboard! TGW is an amazing ongoing series.

[@theodore-jef5664]

+Mae Guns spoiler alert Germany loses and the more well known sexier younger sister WWII is also known as "The Germans Strikes Back!" X-D

[@bluesrocker91]

Jeffery Xavier Still waiting for 'Return of the Nazi'.

[@betaich]

Please not.

[@scottylilacleona9193]

Jeffery Xavier why not "The Germans Reichs Back"? Anyone? No? Ok.

[@vandabo]

Very impressive video. I can't believe that I can watch hour-long documentaries of this quality on KZbin. Thanks for putting in so much effort!

[@Candrsenal]

+vandabo Thank you so much!

[@Primarch359]

you just entertained me for 90 mins with this and the Forgotten weapons link. I'm spose to be studying

[@maewinchester2030]

+Primarch359 You are studying! Just studying WWI firearms history :)

[@wyattlacey1]

I look forward more to your next video than any other channel at this point. Thank you so much for the in depth, and detailed content that you provide!

[@Candrsenal]

+Wyatt Lacey Thank you so much for the compliment! The little episodes make room in the schedule for the big ones.

[@ward1476]

so quite a good rifle, and ross quite a decent designer, but where mauser, öwg, BSA and (yaknow) the british and german governement had legions of engineers and factory inspectors working on the flaws of their rifles, Canada had the Honourable and Absolutely Perfect Sam Hughes saying: "It's Perfect! I say so! Stop complaining!". He really was channeling his inner Luigi Cadorna...

[@thecivilweirdpodcast]

I just recently discovered you guys through The Great War channel. I really appreciate a channel that educates as well as informs the viewer behind the history of these amazing firearms. Thank you for doing such a great job!

[@Candrsenal]

+Adam Krall Thanks, we appreciate you watching!

[@antonytansom7877]

Superb episode, and don't worry about the length. The video flew by and was really entertaining.

[@maewinchester2030]

+Antony Tansom (Knight Of Ne) Awesome! We were worried some might be put off by how long it is.

[@NuclearAlchemist]

Oh thank god. I was worried that I would have to wait until tomorrow for another episode. And I get an hour long one to boot! I LOVE YOU!!! Seriously though, awesome job!

[@Candrsenal]

+NuclearAlchemist Get back to me when you've cleared it!

[@NuclearAlchemist]

+C&Rsenal yup, awesome as always. Too bad they never shortened it and got a workable short rifle going.

[@asimseth1927]

I own a Ross MK-II M 1905-E Sporter in .35 Winchester and to your surprise I live in Pakistan

[@ThatGuy-a48]

Asim Seth dafq how did it get there?

[@georgeh.armstrong8140]

Sold to his Grandfather by my range buddy's uncle in Scotland, Alex Martin.

[@jamessutton9476]

I've got the Mk-III M1910 R10 Sporter carbine in ".303 Ross" (.303 Brit). Good little rifle, fast and accurate. I live in Canada

[@jermyhartwell9494]

Cool

[@anderseriksson6926]

It is heart-warming to see so much passion and effort go into public education. Thank you guys for setting such a high standard!

[@Candrsenal]

+Anders Eriksson We're happy to wrap up and share the history

[@GuamGuy]

I know the Canadian Snipers loved their Ross over the Enfield even in the latter days of WWI.

[@hausy]

Well doesn't that make sense as this rifle was apparently a good marksmanship rifle? Maybe not so great on the front line?

[@DeathbyDusk]

Actually the Ross was okay as a trench rifle. Okay, if you didn't disassemble the bolt at any point. Or try to use it.

[@whiteboy7thst24]

its a good trench club and spear with a bayonet fixed

[@kitchenjail3546]

whiteboy7thst24 not really. The bayonet can fall of while firing.

[@notlikely4468]

Still have the Ross mk3 my grandfather bought surplus for $2.00 He could ring our range bell (4x4 steel plate) from 600yrd....7/10? Sadly...I inherited my vision from my mother's side of the family I believe that the Ross was no worse than the SMLE....with the exception that when a Lee jams you can kick the bolt open...just hit it harder...brute force and ignorance...you will clear the jam Because the Ross cammed into battery you had no mechanical advantage when it jammed...when it jammed...you're SOL That's not a great characteristic of a battle rifle

[@jerrylong381]

Hi Yall, Found you through the great war awhile back. I've been going through your older videos and noticed your viewership increasing. Congrats, you have earned it. Thank you for all you do, always high quality, always interesting!

[@Candrsenal]

+Jerry Long Thanks! We feel good spreading the history

[@cyrenaicatertia4934]

May's snarky facial expression is getting better and better each episode. Very enjoyable.

[@Candrsenal]

+Cyrenaica Tertia Can't say she doesn't practice...

[@maewinchester2030]

+C&Rsenal Oy! Be nice!

[@maewinchester2030]

+Cyrenaica Tertia Thank you!

[@fordbossss]

This videos are amazingly. Easily my favorite KZbin channel now. keep up the great work!

[@Candrsenal]

+fordbossss We will try!

[@jonasga]

I love the length of this episode, best one yet.

[@cbogan15678]

+Jon Asgaeroth Agreed.

[@Candrsenal]

+Jon Asgaeroth Glad you're enjoying it. We're just going to go with whatever works best for each gun. Although we are able to bite off more thanks to better practice. That said... I over did it on this episode. Going to have to work these big guys in once in a while.

[@cosmichemistry]

great work. i love long, detailed videos/articles/books. it is too bad more people don't create such informative content.

[@Candrsenal]

+cosmichemistry To be fair, this was BRUTAL to produce. I can only handle so many of these. Might use some lighter .32's etc to balance it out.

[@HistoryNerd]

Loved it! Long episodes like this are great, especially with a story like the Ross.

[@Candrsenal]

+History Nerd Glad to hear!

[@ericstefko4852]

the research and detail in this video is truly impressive.

[@ProjectD13X]

> Check youtube > Oh hey new C&Rsenal, sweet > 54 minutes long Praise the cube!

[@Candrsenal]

+ProjectD13X I'm glad everyone likes hearing me drone for an hour!

[@Internetzspacezshipz]

+ProjectD13X I think you mean the /k/ube...

[@SeraphinaPZ]

I am rewatching the older episodes because I like this series. Very high quality content I wish I had found sooner, hence watching this a second time over.

[@Candrsenal]

I'm glad you're enjoying them!

[@mechghost5742]

Great episode , found you after seeing Ian's (Forgotten Weapons) piece on the Ross. If only the development had been more focused, we (Canadians) would have been fielding a fantastic weapon right from the start. Too bad the .280 Ross wasn't a viable round for the rifle in a military role, a fully developed MkIII firing that round would have been quite a thing.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

Fantastic episode guys! only one fairly large thing that i feel got left out was the fact thatafter it was withdrawn from fromtline surface it.was used as a sniper rifle due to how incredibly accurate it was. Francis Pegahmabow used it to achieve over 300 kills in the 5 years he spent in France.

[@Candrsenal]

+classicMaxReviews we sat on the scoped rifles in hopes of finding one some day to cover separately

[@peelreg]

Thanks. I enjoy shooting one of these . A great piece of Canadian history.

[@maewinchester2030]

+peelreg Agreed!

[@NeptuneBluez]

You guys produced one super cool episode, I've liked it a lot. This channel is improving videos after videos, and that is awesome. If Mae enjoy shooting the Ross rifle just like her K31, I think I would need to add a Ross to my collection of bolt action rifles. Thank you guys, keep up the good work.

[@Candrsenal]

+Neptune Bluez Better save up and be patient, they can be few and far between!

[@maewinchester2030]

+Neptune Bluez I would definitely recommend it! Sounds like an opportunity to start a straight-pull collection :)

[@counterstrifekid]

Wow. how have i not even heard of you guys until now? Yall are fantastic

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks!

[@7hart2]

Ross: The Most Interesting man in the world.

[@Candrsenal]

+7hart2 Enemy of boredom

[@7hart2]

C&Rsenal Senpai noticed me! 😂

[@fhsreelfilms]

Great video as always! And speaking of that front-heavy balance point, imagine adding another pound to the front by slipping on the bayonet. That would make attacking with the thing even more of a pain since fixing bayonets was SOP when assaulting an enemy position. Also, please continue using the word "Maeversation." It is awesome.

[@Candrsenal]

+fhsreelfilms When I sort out the video resources there are lots of folders: images, animation, line drawings, indoor video, outdoor video, voice over audio, and "maeversation"

[@TDPAviationAndGaming]

Was one of the first to support the poster project, eagerly awaiting something great to hang on my wall. I'm not wearing pants.

[@Candrsenal]

+The Duck Pond dang.

[@Vimeslgospare]

+The Duck Pond I am also pants free. Who wears pants while on the internet?

[@maewinchester2030]

+Vimeslgospare Right?!

[@Anghellik9]

My dad used to own a Ross for both historical collecting and target shooting. He regrets selling it. In his words "Not a great military rifle, but a really fun target shooter"

[@Dreadought]

To Othais and the C&Rsenal team. I would like to thank you as a Canadian, too often have I seen on KZbin and other media, people dismiss the Ross Mk III as a totally failed and inadequate rifle, even within our own school curriculum it is often portrayed that way by people completely uninformed of the rifle and it's history. You gave the rifle a reasonably fair shake, and educated yourself on the history around it. I has always struck me the similarity of the Ross Rifle to the American M16 rifle; Rifles built for the last war instead of the next, which had some serious problems when first introduced. Through a long and painful process of improvement and revision they developed into competent usable service rifles, and then in typical Canadian fashion, on the verge of being the best in the world, we abandoned ours, and today the Ross Rifle still has it's bad reputation, while the M16 has gone on to be default military rifle of the western world.

[@Candrsenal]

+Dreadnought That's a really fair comparison. The Ross definitely suffered at the hands of politicians. First by ignoring its faults and second by being held up as a COMPLETE failure.

[@terrybeldam3449]

Dreadnought I

[@OlaJustin]

I so enjoyed this epic 1 h episode! Dont fall into the trapp that vids on YT needs to be short! As long as youre telling entertaining stories we will listen with joy! :) If the world had more Rosses we wouldnt have had any world wars... We would be having way to much fun to have the time! I am starting to think he may have been the only sane person at the "higher ranks". :)

[@Candrsenal]

+Ola Justin That's... optimistic.

[@mencken8]

Generals are always fighting the last war. A documentary I’ve watched shows a photo with the audio over: “This is the British High Command. These men aren’t evil, some of them aren’t even stupid. Bu they were unable to think of any approach to the reality of trench warfare beyond assaults using the unprotected bodies of their soldiers.”

[@OlaJustin]

@@mencken8 Wow, thanks for the blast from the past. I think I'll rewatch this episode now since I've seen all the others. And damn, the autocorrect on that phone I had 6 years ago was brutal! :D

[@al3440]

I sometimes use your videos to get to sleep, but! I respect your in depth view into history

[@mm06360]

Buying a cannon to blow up the neighbor's house. I don't know whether to call it insane or badass, possibly both. I really enjoyed the episode.

[@Candrsenal]

+mm06360 Both is probably correct.

[@Garron88]

and this just became my favourite channel, excellent video, didn't even feel like 50+ minutes

[@Candrsenal]

+GolfDeltaEcho Thank you so much! We can't always make them this big but we will when we can.

[@Garron88]

Well you've got another supporter on Patreon here now and that is my thanks to you, If you ever get hold of a RSC 1917 that would be the first video of one firing on YT I think, Ian did a field strip and close up but no firing.

[@Candrsenal]

GolfDeltaEcho We'll try our best to find one!

[@NedPhilanders493]

Oh Canadian arms procurement failures, some things never change...great vid!

[@Candrsenal]

+Ned Philanders Old habits something something.

[@HaloFTW55]

More like Canadian Defense procurement failures. I'm sure the Federal Government learns from mistakes... or not.

[@MarcusObrian]

They cant keep it like this forever....One day someones gonna say enough is enough and fix the procurement process.

[@frankishe23]

It’s a time honoured tradition :)

[@m1911legend]

Well, he have ar's now. So thats something

[@maximilianvonspee9329]

Forgot to add to my previous comment: great vids, I really enjoy them and thank you for your time and effort. It's great to see people like you guys that are passionate about the history as well as the guns themselves

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks! Because of our work with TGW we tend to gather piles of one country at a time. So when it rains it pours

[@dobypilgrim4164]

What kind of idiot would "dislike" this episode? Great job Othais and Mae.

[@Candrsenal]

+Doby Pilgrim Busy people who don't have time for an hour on obscure Canadian rifles?

[@dobypilgrim4164]

I wanted more even! great job. I knew a lot about the rifles, but had not studied the personalities. Thanks for that aspect. People like Charles Ross (and one of my favorites - Arthur Savage) are just not known enough.

[@XLesky]

+Doby Pilgrim This could have gone for two hours and I think it would have been great. Too bad Savage never really got much in the way of military contracts (NY Guard Savage 99's notwithstanding), I would love to see this channel do a video on the 95/99 Savage one day even if it's outside their general focus...

[@Candrsenal]

XLesky We have a Savage handgun on the way...

[@dobypilgrim4164]

C&Rsenal Lots of Savage .32s went to France in WWI, so it will fit right in. I have loved all of them I have ever owned.

[@johnp2580]

Very well done Ross Rifle history and evaluation.

[@gavin3488]

Good lord, you fired it! Amazing!

[@Candrsenal]

pew

[@Goaner89]

which lord?

[@Dorkaebi]

the good one

[@gunnerdelta]

I love the illustrations in this video

[@illiminatieoverlordgurglek140]

9:40 ''Heee... was a majestic, majestic creature in history'' That made me squirt coffee trough my nose. xD

[@Candrsenal]

Sorry

[@7hart2]

C&Rsenal Don't be: That is like a gaming achievement!

[@illiminatieoverlordgurglek140]

7hart2 exactly! I meant that in the most positive way possible.

[@antikristuseke]

This has been a very informative and amusing video to fill an hour of my quiet shift at work. Thank you.

[@Candrsenal]

+antikristuseke Thanks for watching!

[@demos113]

Outstanding episode, congrats to all involved. :)

[@maewinchester2030]

+demos113 Thanks!

[@johnalan6067]

This video is awesome. Well done! I have never heard about these before. I was actually surprised the episode is 54 mins. Keep it up!

[@Candrsenal]

+john alan Glad you were edutained so deeply!

[@johnalan6067]

+C&Rsenal if the Canadians what to build rifles in Canada why did they not look at the Springfield 1903 or Lee Enfield and just set up shop in Canada?The US military for the longest time had a fixation with accuracy fire at shooting targets at over 500 yards. I always wonder how out of touch with reality the senior Generals were from the troops on the front lines and what they really needed

[@Candrsenal]

john alan I don't know that they were offered the design. They did try for Enfields in Canada but were refused. Ross offered to build a factory and take care of the manufacturing setup.

[@LoneWolf051]

I really think this final incarnation of the Ross was its peak, and a great rifle system, would be great if they reproduced these in their final form in the 26 inch barrels

[@jaredisley8463]

www.gunsinternational.com/guns-for-sale-online/rifles/ross-rifles.cfm?cat_id=1348 A gift from Canada

[@ralphhopwood4064]

Thank you for a great video, an hour just flew by for me. Very entertaining and informative. Bravo.

[@Candrsenal]

+Ralph Hopwood Glad to hear it!

[@MrOlgrumpy]

The early Boer war era british rifle was the Lee Metford,not Enfield,which followed using the upgraded barrel from Enfield among other changes.Pleeez, Boer is pronounced bore,as in the hole in the barrel.

[@tiortedrootsky]

The light box pictures are incredible! Very good job!

[@avro549B]

Murphy rules, especially in combat. If it can be done the wrong way, it will. Training is no substitute for impossibility.

[@multy622002]

I am a friend of Mathias and I appreciate his in depth research and faithfulness to the "official written history" of the Ross M10 rifle. Yet as an owner of a M1905 5* and both a Canadian and British contract M1910 Ross and also being a WWI historian may agrument is not with Mathias but with the original written history, which many things don't add up. There is too little space allowed here to answer these discrepencies. I will be making my own video about them soon.

[@multy622002]

Just one is that the teething problems happened in 1914 and were fixed but the rifle was not replaced with the Mk3* until June of 1916. So it could not have been the teething issues of the M1910 that caused its demise or it would have been replaced much sooner. Try Canadian "Pro-British" uniformity politics as the real unwritten reason.

[@paulmanson253]

Hey that was a great episode. One of my grandfathers made scathing comments on the Ross,but as a kid my understanding was they jammed while overheated. Your extra detail makes for a greater level of the complexities of a service rifle,capable of being used anywhere. I was offered a very tired one back about 1980,now sorry I turned it down. As a very nitpicking detail,and I mention only because a friend repeatedly made the same error,about 17:00 or so you say "a mute point".Sorry,but it is moot. As in the old Scandinavian word. Or if you would,Entmoot. Meaning talk or discussion,I believe. Great episode,great references,keep it up. Give out lots of discussability,moot or otherwise. Cheers.

[@Candrsenal]

+paul manson glad you enjoyed it!

[@utrak]

Very interesting and entertaining video. Love your show, keep it up! If you ask me, the length is fine, I've been wishing the other episodes were longer. They just seem to fly by. Great stuff. Hmm, kinda interesting with the whole rifle shooting while standing up. When I was in the army, this was when we were using the H&K G3, anything but prone shooting was considered a fool's errand for anything longer than point blank range. A question of training I guess. Do miss that G3. Blammo! Never could get the hang of the MG3, I admired the guys who could play those things like a fiddle.

[@Candrsenal]

+utrak We should probably work in some prone shooting, but the standing shots tend to reveal more balance issues.

[@Tonks143]

Yum hour long video about a rifle. Nom.

[@Candrsenal]

+Freshbreeze Glad you're OK with it.

[@RealLuckless]

+C&Rsenal Started watching this while I sat down to eat some dinner, didn't even notice it was that long of a video till I scrolled down to skim the comments. Clearly you're doing something right with the content you're creating.

[@lacombar]

+C&Rsenal lots of history, great format, great production. Keep up the great work ! [and btw, I'm not generally giving much positive advices :-)]

[@Candrsenal]

lacombar Thank you!

[@karlmartin9446]

Canada: "Can we have some rifles?" Britian: "No." Canada: (makes its own rifles) Britian: 👁👄👁

[@jotjotpoland2696]

*YOU HAD ONE JOB, CANADA...*

[@Candrsenal]

+FPS Poland They almost had it...

[@swcw7156]

+FPS Poland Hey, we still kicked Imperial German ass, with or without the Ross!

[@jotjotpoland2696]

Dylan Williams That's undeniable. Ypres was your baptism of fire and you passed it very well.

[@kilroywashere2932]

Fps poland as did poland in ww2, we all know how that worked for you.Your pathetic army of the day was destroyed in weeks. Nice original name by the way.

[@jackandersen1262]

kilroy was here when you’re a tiny, well developed nation with open terrain that is perfectly suitable for modern war, the opposition can win simply by playing the numbers game.

[@jackfinlander3359]

Every time I look at your collection on the wall I cry in happiness

[@Candrsenal]

+jack lind I mean, we like it!

[@v22058]

I recommend "My life in the Trenches" written by Frank Iraim soldier with 8th Battalion CEF for a soldiers view on the MK III ross rifle. It's a great target and hunting rifle, I've carted around a sporterized mk III deer hunting the last couple years, it is a beaut to carry and shoot. Fun fact Canada in the early days of WW2 had some 120,000 MK III and MK II's for training purposes.

[@Candrsenal]

+J/22058 oh I love the action even as a potential military rifle.... the hard hitting trials process and accountability pre-war just were not there.

[@v22058]

+C&Rsenal Agreed on everything there old boy!, although I was somewhat surprised no mention of the field modified MK III's that were in use with the scout and sniper platoon within each battalion... see www.milsurps.com/content.php?r=413-1915-M10-Ross-MkIII*-Sniper-Rifle

[@Candrsenal]

J/22058 It's a matter for a sniper episode. We're keeping scoped rifles separate so we can cover them later.

[@v22058]

Ah gotcha looking forward to that one, sorry for the spoilers then.

[@stephennenadov6709]

J/22058 Frank Iriam was from Kenora ontario, great book, really puts you there. Didn't really like the snobby British officers and the canadians who tried to put on airs.

[@blueharland]

Descendant of Sir Sam Hughes here. Thank you for this video. I think you are being a little hard on Robert Borden. He was saddled with Sam for variety of political reasons (too lengthy to go into here) and shuffled him into the dept of militia because it satisfied Sam and Borden thought he could do little damage there. Then the war happened, and Sam leveraged his position to make himself more indispensable. Without the Ross rifle debacle Borden could never have got rid of him.

[@Dithyrambos-h5e]

50:42 "Good lord, it must be reaching nearly forty minutes!"

[@IanDinBC]

Excellent video, fantastic quality, great depth of information - this is what special interest videos should be. You should teach classes on how to do this right.

[@Candrsenal]

+IanDinBC That's a huge compliment. Thank you!

[@planescaped]

Damn... the Canadian military brass of WW1 make Pershing and Joffery look competent!

[@709mash]

Came over from Indy's recommendation! You got a new sub here! Great content. I've used a modernized version of the MKIII, and it's great for hunting, but I could see how it wouldn't be great in the field. You gotta baby it. Always keep it clean. Virtually impossible on the Western front. Good rifle for the wrong job.

[@Candrsenal]

Glad to hear you are enjoying it.

[@709mash]

C&Rsenal I also appreciate that you reliably reply to comments. Gives a great sense of community

[@50TNCSA]

i love how you eloquently describe mr ross himself LOL

[@Candrsenal]

+50TNCSA He's my hero.

[@50TNCSA]

C&Rsenal also the rifle itself kinda reminds me of the m16 saga issues with ammo and especially with the m16a2 trying to turn a military rifle into a target rifle the parallels are very similar

[@Candrsenal]

50TNCSA Definitely

[@musek5048]

i have a mk3 ross rifle that I suspect has been sporterized. They got the accuracy down just right on this rifle! Feels good having such a unique part of history in my arsenal, even though it wasnt the most glorified and successful tool its interesting to know its story played out.

[@reikyfoxxe1847]

Your channel is an entirely different beast than forgotten weapons. You're like the Bill Nye of guns whereas Ian is gun Jesus, If that makes a shred of sense.

[@Candrsenal]

+Reiky Foxxe Ian is a walking body of knowledge and gun love. I consider myself more of an information organiser. I gather up facts and make them presentable using whatever media I can manage.

[@Candrsenal]

wood1155 That's a big compliment!

[@kyleiverson6856]

I am super stoked to see an M95 long rifle! Hope you do that one soon.

[@CaliPatriot88]

"Get the hell out of here." - Sir Charles Ross' Last Words XD

[@kilroywashere2932]

Im 2 years late, but this ,i think is your best episode, much knowledge .