History of WWI Primer 088: Ottoman 1890 and German Capture Documentary

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Othais and Mae delve into the story of this WWI classic. Complete with history, function, and live fire demonstration.
C&Rsenal presents its WWI Primer series; covering the firearms of this historic conflict one at a time in honor of the centennial anniversary. Join us every other Tuesday!
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Additional reading:
FN Mauser Rifles: Arming Belgium and the World
Anthony Vanderlinden
Mauser Bolt Rifles
Ludwig Olson
Arming the Sultan: German Arms Trade and Personal Diplomacy in the Ottoman Empire
Naci Yorulmaz
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Additional photos thanks to Rock Island Auction
Ammunition data thanks to DrakeGmbH
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[@CocaColaIceBear]

Funny thing: many rural Turkish households still got Ottoman World War 1 Mausers at home. Turks somehow spell them "Mavzer".

[@kayraaa2646]

Not to mention Lee-Enfields converted to 8x57. Also, Mauser is pronounced like Ma-UH-Saerr in Turkish, Mavzer (with the right amount of Turkish pronounciation) will be much closer to the original German word. The first gun I ever shot was a 1930 conversion ''Enfauser'' - a Lithgow reciever SMLE No.III in 8x57 Mauser: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYe0m6Jpgs2ajNk Sincerely, a Turk.

[@Legitpenguins99]

@@kayraaa2646 wow, your so lucky. Those things are so cool

[@blazevoliva4907]

When can we get a certified C&Rsenal poster of the Mauser family tree? Sounds like a fun, not so concise project. Thanks guys for all the wonderful content!

[@sapper12b68]

Agreed I love there posters so much got 3 hung up in my living room

[@TwentythreePER]

I'd like a Mauser poster as well, Mannlicher would be a cool poster too.

[@M.M.83-U]

Yes please

[@jimvandemoter6961]

@@mysterymete You could paper your wall with it. Come to think of it, that would be really cool.

[@rizaradri316]

I agree please make it happen

[@haroldofold3959]

Mae didn't wear a fez -10 for realism

[@c.b.816]

Ottoman Empire lacked Mae. +10 for Mae, actual.

[@RG001100]

The great thing about re-watching the Primers after a long time is for things like "we'll talk about that later" and not having to wait.

[@iNDREI_Ro]

It is snowing outside, it is warm inside and C&Rseneal in on... Life is good. :)))

[@sapper12b68]

How well I remember that terrible day How the blood stained the sand and the water And how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well He chased us with bullets, he rained us with shells And in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell Nearly blew us right back to Australia But the band played Waltzing Matilda As we stopped to bury our slain We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs Then we started all over again Now those that were left, well we tried to survive In a mad world of blood, death and fire And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive But around me the corpses piled higher Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over tit And when I woke up in my hospital bed And saw what it had done, I wished I was dead Never knew there were worse things than dying For no more I'll go waltzing Matilda All around the green bush far and near For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs two legs No more waltzing Matilda for me

[@dunxy]

LEST WE FORGET

[@marknovak8255]

Do not underestimate how much of this we are doing specifically in honor of those who fought, and died.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

I went through a period a few months ago where I couldn't get enough of that song. I played it to death every time I had to drive somewhere. My friends were very perplexed.

[@ameier8710]

@@fuzzydunlop7928 That make you a Weary Dunlop?

[@ronalddunne3413]

@@dunxy Amen

[@brentkeller3826]

"Not the most beautiful rifle ever made." Othais holds up Crozier as a defense against Mae's words.

[@Dondon6x7]

Watching Mae shoot and that smile after she has finished makes my day. OH......there was a Mauser there also!!!!!

[@amateurshooter927]

Oh baby a triple!!!

[@WolfFonDun]

Bulgaria ordered 60 000 rifles Manliher M 1888 in 1889. There were probably more ordered after that, but aside from the initial contracts, information on the web is scares. I may chack in the museum if anybody is interested. This is probably the contract you are talking about.

[@jimvandemoter6961]

"A vision of pure beauty and Mae." Dude, you are so lucky she didn't slap you silly.

[@bongobrandy6297]

I think Mae was giving him the butt stroke right in the kisser stare.

[@jimvandemoter6961]

@@bongobrandy6297 I saw that too. I have to wonder what happened after he turned off the camera. If he's even half as smart as I think he is he'll be spending the next six months begging forgiveness.

[@nirfz]

If i'm not mistaken the song of the second shooting section is "Tief drinn im Böhmerwald". written by Andreas Hartauer. A glasworker born in what is now the Czech republic and was at the time Austria. He moved to what is today Austria and later in his life wrote the song in which he expressed the desire to see the area of his growing up again.

[@danieljennerman7549]

When you revealed the 8mm converted 1889 I thought to myself "that's going to be a stiff, gritty, poorly executed mess." You've demonstrated some front line, purpose built rifles that don't work as smoothly as that beat-up, captured, and converted rifle.

[@011CJ]

I love how fast all these rifles kept evolving just like that cars of today just can't wait for the next years model 🤣 thanks for the vid

[@ayarzeev8237]

Yay, finally someone covering the ottoman Mausers!

[@doctoreff1]

The new C&Rsenal is here, the new C&Rsenal is here!!!

[@ficklefingeroffate]

It's 4:23am and I'm sitting here with youtube open engrossed in Othias's dulcet tones. Welcome to my obsession!

[@marnieroberts7195]

another cracking episode. you guys not only keep delivering but keep setting the bar higher and higher.

[@alahos]

The banter is strong with this one.

[@charlesinglin]

I found an Argentine Model 1891 a few years ago. They have, as you say, a certain elegance. Looking forward to your doing an episode on them. Thanks.

[@JenniferinIllinois]

Four and a half years of war has clearly taken it's toll on Othias. It's good that Mae hasn't been affected. :)

[@PeerReview-tq3pn]

Sending this to my dad. Why is anyone watching the history channel when this is available

[@daltonbruce2053]

YEAH!!!! new things, I've been having cravings for this again.

[@jimharris2897]

I picked up a "surplus" Turkish Mauser, 1937, long barrel, that had a clean bore. Decided to see how it shot. Even with factory ammo, and original sights, it was a tack driver. After mounting a scope, and trying it in a rather inexpensive stock, to see what it could do, decided I liked the lean and clean, simple military look. Put it in a much nicer Argentine stock and furniture with a rear receiver peep and front fibre/hood sight and had a ball at military type target meets. Some grumbles about the sight mods, but, I was using stripper clips, they had magazines, sour grapes. It was also an eye opener when shooting against scoped up guys on the off hand silhouettes. .Named it "Turkish Tina". For $49.95+ the finest firearm I've ever shot. Aloha y'all.

[@TheSgtDucttape]

I am now nearly 2.5 years+ish behind; but I had to start at the beginning. It was the right thing to do.I have enjoyed this series so much, that while being so far behind, I had to become a Patron. This is my very first patron event. But I truly enjoy the channel, and I want to support it, and Thank you for all the effort.

[@Candrsenal]

Thank you for the support and for helping make this possible for the next guy to discover 2 years from now!

[@tybushnell9819]

Always right before I fall asleep I was squinting my eyes dozing off before this but now I’m here. Oh it’s a good thing I love C&Rsenal.

[@Liam_TheNoob]

I'm slowly catching up having only recently discovered this channel and this is by far my favourite episode

[@Gunner40Five]

Well done as always guys! Keep up the good work.

[@mountainhobo]

Nice touch with the period music during shooting demonstration.

[@Ben_not_10]

In handling my 1893 made 1891 with its short handgaurd I think the purpose of the short handgaurd on the 1890 was that since the barrel jacket was gone and therefore its heat absorption was lost, a place for the hand to grasp over the handle for bayonet fighting was needed. If you hold an early 1891 or 1890, like you were bayonet fighting, the handgaurd is just big enough to keep the hand away from the barrel.

[@SearTrip]

The only tie-in not mentioned here is the Captured Ottoman 1890s which the British supplied to the Belgians, who used them on the Western Front. Excellent episode.

[@Candrsenal]

I had read about it but didn't manage a "hard" line on one to confirm the story. Would make sense though.

[@johnfisk811]

Not WW1 but on the same ground , when Belgium surrendered in 1940 it left 15 km of front open between the BEF and the sea in the north. This was filled by both a movement of front line BEF but also, and initially, by a scratch force of rear echelon troops who armed them selves with abandoned Belgian Mausers and ammunition.

[@ArchieKeen1]

If I could take any rifle from that time period into ww1, it would be a Mexican arisaka carbine in 7mm Mauser

[@GENERALx5H4DY]

"Working with what they had" Othias they had John Fricking Browning.

[@sean7456]

John "Mah Fuggin" Browning John "The Machine" Browning John "I like my barrels tilting, thanks" Browning.

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

@@sean7456John "our lord and savior" Browing.

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

It's kinda weird, now being past November 11, having come over here from the Great War originally, it feels like the war is over. Than I remember, for many the war wasn't over on the 11th, and many of these guns would go on to be used on and on for another few decades.

[@ANonymous-bh1un]

"The May Show" needs more DINOSAURS!!! =D

[@satonoongakudan]

14:11 Now we know the reason why we can get rid of that damn barrel jacket!

[@Chocoboranger]

That Sultan marking is called a Tughra btw.

[@donaldhill3823]

Film stops and Mae's first words are: "This is going to be a discussion". lol

[@M.M.83-U]

Wonderfull!!! Now I feel we need one .32 pistol😉

[@LukeBunyip]

42:51 50% of my Patreon support at work.

[@Candrsenal]

Thanks for that

[@23GreyFox]

29:15 i love that part. Sounds funny if you think about it. For a while J.M. Browning was working for DWM.

[@dalearmstrong62]

i like your videos - alot of info,well done

[@Candrsenal]

Thank you

[@mircea8064]

Great show guys! Could you recommend a good book about the mechanical side of small arms and how it evolved in time? Thanks in advance.

[@nekoghostgunner1129]

Good to see Othias get his own rare Mauser.

[@wilsonj4705]

You sure that's not Mark in a German uniform at 4:05? Just kidding, I'm familiar with that picture of Goltz but they sure look alot alike,

[@kayraaa2646]

In modern Turkish, “Baksheesh” (spelled bahşiş) means “tip” Never knew _this_ usage of the word before.

[@Graham-ce2yk]

I did see the term defined as 'beer money' in a WWII set comic book.

[@thomastheawesome4822]

I was terrified that you would stop this series after armistice day

[@vonmazur1]

I have an example of the later conversion of the Turk 90 to the new caliber, by of all people, FN. I can supply pix if you want. They changed the barrel to 8 mm, and added the later model sight, and altered the hand guard as your drawing shows. It is complete with the original Belgian supplied sling...

[@john-paulsilke893]

It has officially become a mini series in the middle of a “major” series!?! Fantastic work as usual, and that cartouche still looks amazing and the wood beautiful.

[@maxqiu4134]

46:35, it's a good thing you two know each other pretty well @C&Rsenal

[@philp8872]

I always knew bicycles are whacky stuff! Thanks for confirming that!

[@georgehilty3561]

woohoo new video!

[@patrickdobbels2342]

I like my 89 Belgian carbine as much as Othias likes his Ottoman rifle. I don't have a problem with the stock.

[@samuelsmith6281]

I'm looking forward to the South American Mauser episode!

[@patrickdobbels2342]

I agree with Mae about the sight.

[@amateurshooter927]

Thanks for clarifying about the posters, I was starting to look at the calendar and guess that's what was happening considering when the t-shirt project popped up... Maybe you can reenact the Christmas Story scene this year instead, kinda like the Christmas card from 2 years ago... Maybe :-)

[@knightmarex13]

27:01 FN had a cool logo back in the day

[@Kng_K]

I congratulate you on this content and I and a lot of the public appreciate what you are doing in this wonderful content that is distinguished from the rest but we have a hard time knowing what is being said and translating the words. Is it possible to put in our video translations of several languages, including Arabic ? Please respond with acceptance or jogging.

[@Gunsbeerfreedom87]

You can indeed wiggle the cocking piece out of place on the 1889. It's actually a pain, at least with mine. Also, it means the cocking pieces aren't interchangeable, sadly.

[@johnathanblackwell9960]

@Caffeinated Wizard Speaking of unobtainium bs, I have a mossin that is part of a run of seven rifles. Even Izhevsk has no Idea what the hell the damn thing is other than it was part of a run of seven rifles of unknown purpose.

[@natureman494]

The late Ottoman Empire is really a weird entity

[@Candrsenal]

truth

[@donnkelley6823]

I don't believe it, I'll get some sleep tonight after the show......

[@kuttinkuddy3905]

Cant wait for those south American vids! At least we got a photo..

[@szebid9739]

Do you have a video about the Király 43M SMG?

[@lawrencebautista1]

Whats the German designation for the 8mm converted Belgian 1889? Did the Landwehr prefer it over the Gewehr 1888? And was the rear sight also updated since 8mm has different ballistics to 7.65mm roundnose?

[@marcppparis]

Just got my T-shirts and Crozier sticker. Very happy ... as happy as Crozier eating a blueberry

[@ADRay1999]

Maybe once you’re done with the World War 1 series maybe you can do a series about guns of the Wild West?

[@Autobotmatt428]

Andrew Dalton Ray but they covered most Wild West guns. During there lead up to the Winchester 1895

[@tangero3462]

There's a lot more to the American West than just the Winchester

[@lunarpking]

So many revolvers alone, cap and ball, tip up, break open, swing open, gate loaders... So damn many. Then there's shotguns. Holy shit, that would be a long series.

[@sapper12b68]

I think they are going guns of wwii

[@jackandersen1262]

Andrew Dalton Ray or Civil War guns.

[@CherryRhubarb00]

What’s the song from the first shooting section?

[@ant4812]

Guys, about the unobtainium dies you need, do you know of a Canadian guy who has a YT channel called AvE? He might be able to help with that. He just got himself a 5 axis CNC milling machine and he might be looking for things to do with it.

[@mannys9130]

Once he learns how to program the jeezless thing, I'm sure he'd be happy to fabricoble something for this channel. It'll be amusing too because we can watch him break a few tools while machining due to head crashes. 😄 Oh uncle bumblefuck. We love him.

[@xgford94]

Yep me three was thinking that too!

[@Candrsenal]

I mean, he does subscribe to the channel.

[@DanRudolph]

medical device machinist here, let me know if I can help.

[@LukeBunyip]

24:11 LOL Beardy, LOL

[@marcogram1216]

Good old Ludwig. True to form.

[@thurin84]

you guys shouldve gotten mae a fez for this episide.

[@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194]

I can't wait for May to shoot the M1893 Spanish Mauser in 7 mm Mauser! Is it a rare find?

[@tangero3462]

I'm honestly stoked for you guys to get out of WWI. I know it has been a tremendous effort for you guys and the content just keeps improving, but the notion of honestly being able to go from an 1873 Springfield one week to an SVT40 the next is really a neat idea that will keep the interest fresh

[@pickeljarsforhillary102]

I stopped performing CPR on my grandmother to watch this.

[@trailerparkgarage6574]

How would one go about adding a scope to one of these?

[@MostlyJace]

Yes I made it early this time

[@frederik5991]

17:08 it is called "Tugra"

[@EmpyreanFrost]

That Pink Shirt wins the internet.

[@festerallday]

I have that bayonet, with the saw-back

[@longbow117]

Othias, I feel your pain!

[@shawnbane585]

Oathis says it mine all mine

[@Boreasrex11]

Leave a comment to help the show.

[@josephsatricleofevillanuev3194]

Please showcase the Spanish Mauser M1893! It looks way better and modern than the Turkish Mauser 1890 and Belgian Mauser 1889! And the 7mm Mauser is ballistically better albeit using a longer case and round nosed.

[@Kargush]

Loewe lived up to his name then? (yes, I know the spelling isn't entirely the same)

[@goodmaninastorm4617]

29:20 thanks for the gross snort laugh, Othias 😂

[@hst323]

Kendi ülkemizin tüfeklerini tanıtacak videosunu yapacak bir birikimimiz ve çalışmamız olmadığı için bizim hakkımızda araştırma yapanlardan öğreniyoruz. Sonra kendimize asker millet diyoruz, daha silahlardan haberimiz yok, haberimiz olsa silah kullanımını düzenleyecek yasalarımız yok. And I absolutely sure, Mae is an angel of rifle

[@yusufnarmanlioglu]

Bu sial bizim askerde kırıkkale olarakadlandırıp küçümsediğimiz silah galiba, aslında ben silahı elime aldıımda bunda iş var diye düşünmüştüm.

[@zeuk416b]

Have you considered doing a series on the history of the manufactures up to and including the war?

[@csours]

I wish the sights were taller, I wish I was a baller

[@johndeeter4030]

Some people have a bit of luck finding these old war horse icon..but Mae has all the luck..She gets to shoot them..

[@charlesp2086]

How much would that ottoman 1890 be worth today as of 2022?

[@calvinhandley2373]

I've heard that the British supplied many of their captured Ottoman 1890's to the Belgians.

[@JonManProductions]

Ahh, something to soothe my nerves while I tear my hair out over a semester project with pfsense firewall fuckery...

[@hase99]

17:38

[@collinfreese2987]

I just heard that my uncle has a collection of guns. If you tell me I can plug my uncle to see if there is any thing you can borrow.

[@davidcarroll9095]

Come on man ,MP 18 already.

[@artunkocaman]

Bahşiş stands for "Tip" in Turkish, but you can use it as bribe unofficially

[@carlcarlton764]

Ottoman what? Crap, I need to buy some Efes. I expected more Belgian Mausers and stocked up on Grimbergen. :)

[@adaw2d3222]

Is the lack of semi-pisto-grip in all of these rifles because it doesn't make sense militarily? Like, it means more stock repairs?

[@ejbrush]

I think it is really because pistol or semi-pistol stocks weren't much of a thing back then, except maybe on very specialized target rifles and some shotguns. From a military standpoint, the straight grip stocks are better for bayonet work, and I imagine that was a real consideration in the 1890's and 1900's. Some people (me included) prefer a straight grip for stand-up, snap shooting situations - shooting grouse and pheasant, for instance. A sort of situation where you pull up, point and shoot, the straight grip just comes to bear snappier. Shooting off a rest or prone and taking fine, precise shots, they aren't as comfortable as a pistol grip, in my opinion.

[@Candrsenal]

Semi-pistol grip requires much more wood to produce and is trickier about grain selection. That means straight wrist is less expensive and materials consuming. It's why you see metal pieces on certain guns like the Italian Vetterli or Werndl 73

[@CrysResan]

"She's a little stiff, I don't want to force her." Uhh... phrasing?

[@iamsean92]

I know you're doing World War 1 weapons. But I absolutely love to see an episode on the M1 Garand. It'd be nice for someone to go into some very fine detail about the development of the rifle. every other video on KZbin about the rifle is very vague and doesn't go into much detail.