History Primer 164: US Colt 1907/09 Documentary

[@Pcm979]

In the mirror universe, clean-shaven Othias is leading us through the development of the Savage 1911 and occasionally peppering in factoids about Colt's failed entry to the competition.

[@CloudCobra22]

And in another one, Othias with long hair and a mustache is telling us about the 45 ACP Luger.

[@adamhauskins6407]

@@CloudCobra22 isn't that just ian aka gun Jesus

[@PavewayJDAM]

Parody videos of these alternate universes would be hilarious.

[@vaclav_fejt]

I dread to think what a ginger-haired Othais would present...

[@mysss29]

@@vaclav_fejt my first thought was a .45 Nagant (a reduced power, recessed bullet cartridge adapted from .45 LC, naturally) hmm. maybe a more cursed cartridge...

[@TenaciousTrilobite]

Wow! Truly the pinnacle of the .45 ACP pistol. The concept cannot possibly get better than this. It's nice to have the entire development arc for this bad boy finally complete.

[@hvymtal8566]

A most remarkable development. It will be a great weapon for the next war, after which it will surely be replaced with newer and even better technology!

[@paleoph6168]

Yup, definitely no future model would have to be developed.......

[@tinfoilhat3268]

Sassy

[@a.h.9663]

Lol

[@stoops187]

The 1910 was almost perfect in my opinion

[@vitoscaletta7151]

This is a certified Colt classic

[@Jreth]

DAMN SON, WHERE YOU GAT THAT?

[@azimisyauqieabdulwahab9401]

Before M1911

[@planescaped]

The colt of personality surrounding this gun is unreal.

[@VeraTR909]

You could say it's a Colt leader.

[@Joshua_N-A]

As a foreigh audience, I found these comments Coltured. Huzzah, the men of Colture!

[@TheBattlefieldHistorianTwitch]

Just two more years to go and will finally make it to the year of 1911

[@captainvladmir7535]

I gotta admit that I really enjoy when there are multiple videos of a single 'families' of firearms. Always starts to feel like a real story as opposed to just getting facts.

[@MandoWookie]

@3:15 don't try and sneak that past us! I want to know more about that 476 caliber explosive bullet they trialed. Actually a whole special just on the Thompson-LaGuarde test would be amazing.

[@tenofprime]

It would be an interesting one but I suspect not KZbinable unless they really skimmed the details.

[@MandoWookie]

@@tenofprime a Patron special would also be possible.

[@Barabel22]

@@tenofprime People have done videos on explosive bullets and bloody anatomical details before with little to no issues except for sometimes no monetization.

[@grimlock1471]

regarding that 1 screw takedown, I had a professor say, "If you want to be a good engineer, design it life you have to build it. If you want to be great, design like you have to FIX it."

[@kirkmooneyham]

As an aircraft mechanic, I was always told that aerospace engineers build things to work, not be worked on.

[@grimlock1471]

​@@kirkmooneyham My proff was a physicist and electrical engineer who spent some time in automotive.

[@florianakuznetova]

I was first made aware of the whole evolutionary process that went into the Colt m1911 after hearing about the 1900 in a book and watching Ian's videos on the 1907, 1909, and 1910. I really appreciate the more in depth detail you go into that makes the story that much more understandable

[@jobdylan5782]

I love old men thirsting after Mae, really makes the comments for me tbh

[@coldandaloof7166]

Thanks for another great episode. Really hope someone in the collector community steps up and let's you guys put your hands on the next gun in this series. It will probably be the best value increase they can ever imagine for their piece exposing it to a much wider community and garnering interest in rare bits of history like these.

[@Kaboomf]

I learned something today. Didn't know you can decock a 1911 variant one handed, by pulling the hammer all the way back into the safety. Just tried it on my Norwegian 1914, it works.

[@busterkier]

WE'RE GETTING EVER CLOSER BOYS!!!

[@vitoscaletta7151]

Yeah, getting closer to the Kongsberg M/1914 we've all been waiting for

[@ludditeneaderthal]

Another 3 months of obscure European big bore revolvers please!

[@tinfoilhat3268]

EVENTUALLY

[@Ntmoffi]

All of these colt models eventually lead up to...thats right...the Steyr M1912. 😉

[@PedroHenrique-dh3bq]

Imagine a world where fudds swear to god you don't need a magazine because "Muh 1912"

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

@@PedroHenrique-dh3bq oh god. Those fudds do exist, though. They swear by the revolver.

[@1TruNub]

@@SonOfTheDawn515 I'm not afraid because I understand how semiautomatic pistols are better than revolvers but come on man you got to know that a revolver is a beautiful thing

[@AdamOwenBrowning]

@@1TruNub Swords are beautiful things but I wouldn't carry one around or put it in my car :D

[@ColburnFreml]

@@PedroHenrique-dh3bq Grendel P10 is peak performance

[@johnjunge6989]

Othias, your information on this was super - having a 1911 i never thought what it took to get there. Your research is more than fantastic. Maes insight into how well they shoot and the ergonomics is always welcome. ..I am always amazed at the vast amount of history you provide. On my recent vacation I stopped at Virginia Military Institute and visited the museum, you would love seeing there collection that was provided by a graduate of the institution. Plus it has various weapons that were used by graduates, like General Patton. A must to see if your ever in the area. Great stuff.

[@Sophocles13]

I want to see the Colt New Service with the 476 Caliber explosive projectile, please! ( 3:14 )

[@christophervasel4894]

As someone who works at a gunshop being able to one handedly decock 1911s is incredibly convenient

[@jasonheflin9856]

Y'all done a great video on the Colt 1907/09 it's easy to see how the 1911 came from that design I think I'm excited to see what y'all do next time

[@tenofprime]

Same here, I am keeping my own play list of the development to the 1911 so I can binge it later and watch things develop.

[@wesmcgee1648]

I think its fitting my paternal grandmother was born in 1911, owned a 1911, with which she shot a home intruder in 1976.

[@raywebb7501]

My grandmother shot a peeping Tom in the ass in 1961 with a Colt 38 revolver

[@billyraydavis3400]

Love the video love the show thank you for all the hard work that this takes to turn out this kind of product

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

I'm appreciating the Luger a lot more. I definitely would have passed on these early Colts.

[@wangl601]

AHHHH, it's close! Only 2 years left!

[@umbraelegios4130]

Carried a 686 for 21 years. Started with 6 round dump pouches, we later updateded to speed loaders. Can "Single" load a 686 very quickly. We finally switched to .40 sw Glocks in my last year.

[@imadequate3376]

Shoot one from time to time with my range buddy. The 686 hands down is probably the only wheel gun I'd carry if given the choice of only a revolver.

[@roboman3678]

I carried a 38 special 2.5 inch colt diamondback mainly for a while. Very well used when I got it. V spring is weak now so I'm primarily carrying a G20 or G29 love 10mm

[@CoryDAnimates]

Message of this episode. 'This is how friendship happen' as Mae, rubs two historic artifacts together.

[@johncashwell1024]

At approx. the 39-40 minute mark... That theory absolutely makes sense and like any other piece of history, you cannot fully comprehend or understand it without 1st immersing one's self into that particular time. Our modern brain and even our modern mores keep us from being able to understand so much of history.

[@MisterOcclusion]

46:25 Ask Ian to ask fireplace guy. He seems to have one of everything 😂

[@Gunner40Five]

Well done guys. Another excellent episode. Keep up the good work.

[@billmccrackin8825]

Nice work Otha’s! Bruno’s modeling is outstanding!

[@kevlarandchrome]

Yay, we can finally get back to the revolvers! Thanks for the Colts Sven.

[@johnqpublic2718]

Your group continues to impress me with your research and production skills. Bravo/Brava

[@jameskazd9951]

back with another awesome piece, i say this every episode but i absolutely love this series

[@MilesStratton]

Glad the Colt series is back, been waiting on this one for a while!

[@Tadicuslegion78]

Fascinating how all these John Browning Colts leading up to the 1911 look like how kids draw guns

[@beargillium2369]

You draw them like that because it's iconic to you, I'm sure kids in say an early German childhood are going to draw stuff that looks more lugery

[@allangibson8494]

@@beargillium2369 Or P38…

[@daoniesidhe6687]

3d experience is bang on (pun intended). Both yourselves and Ian are another level

[@dragon187mdk6]

Now I can show off to all the local fudds! Thanks for showing us how to one hand hammer drop 👌

[@frankhinkle5772]

Nobody ever asks for a review of the 1911. You guys are KILLING ME! I've been waiting since 2017 for that review!

[@mcintoshpc]

1:22 what’s the winchester 1911 got to do with colt pistols? Everyone knows there isn’t any 1911 model colt pistol

[@enscroggs]

Mae is such a good presenter! Her cadence and enunciation are outstanding. She could make a fine living with her voice alone. Consider auditioning for Audible, Mae.

[@scruffysstash]

I like that 1909 hammer/safing setup. Pretty slick.

[@chefemilj]

awesome work. Thank you for all your hard work

[@agentcrm]

hahaha, Mae's expression when talking about going back to revolvers. Thank you for creating this great series.

[@johnjunge6989]

Once again Mae proves Davy Crockett is not the only one loaded for Bear!!! Sweet shooting!!

[@tsuchinokoz5036]

Thank you so much for this Next level content !

[@jlj8718]

Great video you guys!!

[@brianfoster4434]

Thank you. Great video.

[@piatpotatopeon8305]

Let's see some more .32s. I miss those. ;)

[@thinman8621]

John Browning was a genius but seeing the progression makes one appreciate how hard he worked to get it right. Genius takes a lot of thinking and hard work.

[@Eulemunin]

Thank you for last few lines. I had wondered how May handles the reprobate members of the male sex. Always informative and interesting.

[@Little_Sams_Top_Guy]

In 1908 $19.50 is equivalent to $627.75 and $1,644 is equivalent to $52,500.21

[@danielclermont4631]

Mae is very knowledgeable. Love it.

[@williamstuart9812]

I’m excited to see this one!

[@CTXSLPR]

It's criminal how few views this has a week later with how popular/long-lived the 1911 is.

[@christhesmith]

Still good on the rewatch!

[@MrJonathandcrow]

Savage .Should Come Out ,With All Those Great Guns They Made

[@davidbrennan660]

Nice presentation from the guys.....the model has promise.

[@enscroggs]

27:53 Recoil and muzzle flip still seem excessive compared to the adopted version, the M1911. I wonder how JMB addressed that shortcoming. I'm eagerly awaiting the next installment of this series.

[@williamflowers9435]

Perfect bed time 🥱 🛌 story from Othias!!!

[@travischapin886]

Miss Mae makes shooting even the big stuff look so easy. Plus she is pretty as well.

[@seculartapes]

Can you get Ian to distract the fireplace guy long enough to film his Colts?

[@kirkmooneyham]

I trust Mae's opinion because she actually fires all those firearms, and because she has fired so many different firearms. She thus has real-world experience and a good frame of reference, as much as anyone can with those old firearms.

[@bhoward9378]

Thank you!

[@jondoe6663]

Hooray! a video on the 1907!

[@SlavicCelery]

Upside, Ian has gotten to see both the 1909 and 1910 models. I think the following videos can be filmed.... maybe.

[@shootingwithmitch5921]

Given the quality and accessibility of your documentaries I'm amazed museum's aren't queueing up to let you feature the guns in their collections.

[@Operator8282]

The probable reason would be that the museum's and collection's curators "had to work hard for their history degree", and the fine folks at C&Rsenal did not, and therefore aren't REAL historians, so no access to the collection. At this point, it would be like denying Ian from Forgotten Weapons access to a collection because he didn't go to college for history, but some other degree, even though a walkthrough from Ian could triple foot traffic for a year or two. I think it is just for spite, sometimes, they are mad because Othias and Mae are doing what they, the curators wanted to be doing, instead of babysitting a bunch of relics.

[@derekp2674]

@@Operator8282 I suppose that might be true in some cases but I doubt it will be true in all cases. My somewhat limited personal experience is of only receiving positive responses when interacting with various museum staff, especially when I have been able to bring something that can enhance a museum's collection or their knowledge and understanding of artefacts within it.

[@Telamon8]

A lot of curators can become really precious with their artefacts. It has nothing to do with being bitter, and more to do with a fundamental mistrust of people that are outside of their particular community, even people from other museums or collecting groups. It's easy to be convinced that something so old and rare is untouchably delicate; and so you get a situation where, even though the collectors/curators themselves are usually glad to talk about the items in question all day long, asking to handle it oneself, or god forbid to actually use it like it was intended to be used, is almost taboo because there's that constant air of "what if they damage it, we spent years/decades and a lot of money tracking that thing down and it's such a rare piece that it'd be impossible to repair or replace". Which I understand to an extent, though it can get ridiculous at times, such as in this case of not letting the C&R crew access it.

[@TerryDowne]

You must remember that the US Army before WWI (and then again between the World Wars) was an all-volunteer force whose enlisted men were mainly drawn from the lower end of the population. The army didn't pay their enlisted men very much in those days, so you had to be pretty desperate and pretty much of a failure in civilian life to sign up. Given this, the skepticism of officers about the skill and intelligence of the average pre-WWI solider was well justified.

[@Embattled5211]

35:43 Those dummies are a bright red. I wonder what happened to make that confusion?

[@CandidZulu]

Magazine fed handguns were rare at the time, however magazine fed rifles and shotguns were at the time very popular among civilians. And have the same safety issues. But I still agree revolvers are safer.

[@col.mustard1233]

One thing to consider about the grip used by Cav Troopers are the big leather gloves they would still have been wearing.

[@seansimpson4472]

I have not got psst the introduction and know that this will be great

[@thurin84]

I NEED A "WAR WERE DECLARED!"!!! IM IN WITHDRAWL!!!

[@cheesenoodles8316]

It is great series .... one of my very first autos... Dad's 1911A1

[@nirfz]

48:29 Pirate Mae! Have to say i especially enjoyed the part where you point out the way of thinking between the Revolver and the pistol and the things the board wanted. But it leaves me thinking: Why didn't they not make the requirement of double and single action for the pistol?

[@karlwilhelmmeinert7592]

Maybe double action automatic pistols did not exist yet?

[@nirfz]

@@karlwilhelmmeinert7592 When they are able to make a revolver double action, then it's not that much more difficult to make that in a pistol. They already had to make a disconnector for example which they don't need for revolvers. (something needing more brainpower to work than double action triggers)

[@karlwilhelmmeinert7592]

@@nirfz Accord to Wikipedia, the first DA/SA pistol was ,,Little Tom" first built in 1908, too late to influence the board.

[@nirfz]

@@karlwilhelmmeinert7592 Yes, that's not what i meant. I meant, they knew about DA Revolvers so they surely could say they want the same action for a pistol, and i am pretty sure most gun designers would have been able to accomodate that wish. (For sure someone like Browning) To want something and realize that it is feasable, you do not necessarily need that to already exist.

[@poohssmartbrother1146]

1:13 That shape looks awfully familiar, can't quite put my finger on it, but I swear I've seen it before......

[@kevlarandchrome]

Nah, it's your imagination.

[@pithicus52]

The discussion of not trusting the internal workings of the safety mechanisms made me think of the Mauser HSc. With the safety on safe, you cannot cock the hammer. On fire, you cock the hammer. Then set the safety to safe. Then pull the trigger. The hammer falls. That is how it de-cocks. Scary.

[@therealhawkeyeii7888]

Great show. Looking forward to the 1911 episode. Also, are you ever going to do one on the Colt 1851 Navy revolver?

[@Lomi311]

I always thought the competition between the savage and colt was a lot tighter up to this point but the colt was really the only horse in the race by 1910.

[@paulmangus6737]

Yea no more obsolete revolvers. Love the Repro percussions series though. Love the channel

[@balancedfordaylight1]

just when I thought I was going to get to bed on time

[@mturzanski]

"How much are you sweatin?" "a lil bit, am swehtn a lil bit, a lil bit" I'm dying 🤣 for not being a comedy channel that got me good

[@TerryDowne]

You guys are so goofy and fun together I sometimes suspect that you've weeded up before you go on camera.

[@jorgechalub8930]

Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina

[@CandidZulu]

Parallell rulers are used for navigation at sea, but perhaps JMB had one on the drawing table?

[@garrisonnichols807]

A gun that's 100 years old and still works. This was definitely not made in China. This is the quality that America was known for back in the day.

[@jobdylan5782]

do you really think a chinese sks isn't going to be functional in 100 years left in a closet?

[@raywebb7501]

I recently purchased a colt 1911 from World War I that was nickel plated in Europe. The patent dates on the gun are 1909 to 1913 And it’s an excellent condition. I understand that having a nickel plated decreases the value but that’s all right with me. It’s a beautiful gun.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

With all these previous iterations, no wonder the M1911 was bug free enough to last a century and change!

[@johnjunge6989]

Curious ---- were any left handed automatic pistols ever made for military use? Or made period???

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

No

[@janwacawik7432]

Well, golly gee! This sure must be the final iteration of Browning's semi-auto pistol design, it's just so perfect. I can't imagine there could be several more iterations ahead, ultimately leading to the most well-known handgun in human history!

[@rustyshacklfort9508]

Oh God please let May and Othais find a 1909/1910 that they can film so we might be graced with the historical knowledge that blesses you , for these humble servants truly are doing your work . Amen .

[@GeneralJackRipper]

What a nice thing to wake up to.

[@paulbarthol8372]

If you watch this as a drinking game, where you take a shot every time they mention their desire to get ahold of a 1909/10, then you should start with a gallon of booze. 😂

[@kornaktanker7633]

at this stage I am sure that this point they will find a 1910 and 3/4s and a 1910 and 7/8th just to stop us seeing the 1911

[@StrikeRaptor1000]

This is like becoming the Half Life if Osias was Gabe Newell.

[@HM_Cash]

Another great entry ... but where is the expand version of the discussion of shooting in your underwear? It sounds funny, and all I can add is that I am not a man made of stone, nor am I blind and I think we would all enjoy a video of O in his briefs, and glorious beard showing us this difference of power from the 38 to 45. Maybe I'm alone or too facetious for my own good. Keep the up the strong work

[@jd9119]

Which one of you guys has a 1909 or a 1910?

[@kylep3440]

Speaking of Crozier , how is the little potate?

[@life_of_riley88]

Man, just imagine how different the pistol world would be if we had adopted the Savage instead of the venerable Colt?

[@Full_Otto_Bismarck]

We'd still be using revolvers.

[@WALTERBROADDUS]

I still think the Luger is better than both.

[@wagon9082]

Good Video

[@danschneider9921]

We are one step closer to the much fabled and anticipated 1911 episode...I hope its not the zenith for the channel.

[@Emdee5632]

We are getting closer and closer...

[@Lomi311]

I hope a 1909 or 1910 comes along to borrow. I’ve waited years for the 1911 I can wait more if I have to.

[@marsrizzo2854]

Omg getting closer

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

Just 4 more years! Or 3? 4 seems more realistic.