History Primer 172: Ottoman Peabody-Martini Documentary

[@brialdridge]

KZbin stopped recommending and displaying your videos until today. Glad to see your not gone and keeping this series going.

[@litllisa1]

KZbin hates them all even black powder

[@aaroncfriedman]

KZbin and Google got a lot of public attention criticism on their algorithms recently. Probably trying to reposition a little. Not trusting that will last long.

[@Ben.....]

why don't you just subscribe and check your subscription feed?

[@Dapstart]

yeah, while I don't blame a large company for avoiding a subject just because it's slightly controversial it makes me sad I don't get these videos recommended, I love this show. Notifications are a suitable alternative though if you need one.

[@tenofprime]

@@litllisa1 YT is also more on short videos recently so when the normal C&R video clocks over 1 hour that tends to reduce exposure. I love the fact that the ones behind this channel are dedicated to producing the quality content so am very happy with the long form videos.

[@MoebiusPan]

34:32 Most Balkan thing I've ever heard, makes me proud to be from the Balkans. "You fought and died for your country? Not enough buddy, where *did* you keep your valuables?"

[@andrewmack191]

Hey @Ballistol I purchased your product for the first time due to these videos. Please give C&Rsenal more money

[@henryroberts7098]

i for one, would not complain about 6 Martini episodes in a row, but will survive. 😁 thanks C&RSENAL for doing what you do.

[@KarltheKrazyone]

Ian: I guess a couple weeks of Bergman were a bit much.... Othias: Hold my balistol.

[@kennethmackintosh4690]

This episode left me both shaken and stirred.

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

If you ever needed a primer on Victorian and 19th C American, British Empire and various European nation Patent Laws, Othias is your man!!! Seriously, the detail.... absolutely extraordinary..

[@peternicol3439]

Ian had his week of Bergamans, Othias "Hold my Beer, I'm gonna have a year of Martini's"😁👹

[@ES90344]

I've said it and I'll say it again. Bergman week was best week. I'm all for Martini Year.

[@dennisshank2715]

Filling up some animals digestive tracts with Balistol, that gives a whole new meaning to " bore lube".

[@johnfisk811]

Bravo Othias. There can never be too many Martini episodes, nor too long. Thank you.

[@ericgray1378]

I’m concerned about which end they put the Ballistol in the test critters. I think I’m better off not knowing…

[@SlavicCelery]

Lord help them if they followed Dr. Kellogg's suggestions on the matters.

[@chooseyouhandle]

​@@SlavicCelerythat's a pretty obscure reference

[@chpet1655]

@@SlavicCelery the road to wellville might be good reference material

[@TheWalterKurtz]

People can do what they want with their children as far as I'm concerned.

[@TwilightsChapter13]

The Japanese definitely says modication one (i kai). I don't know any Japanese names that would have kai in it, and Kai is commonly used to denote model modifications in military equipment. Funnily enough you see it a lot in mecha anime

[@pauldirnberger]

I remember my father telling me stories of his time in the Austrian army in the 80s where they used Balistol as a salad dressing since the army food was so bland.

[@PajamaPantsStudios]

Oh fuck, that’s a whole new level of bland

[@hessex1899]

@@PajamaPantsStudios Spice up your salad with some bean sprouts!

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

​@@hessex1899 no

[@cmdredstrakerofshado1159]

[@joerg-michajahn4963]

We would waterproof our leather combat boots with it. They told us to, worked great.

[@wowomatic]

Can confirm Ballistol is easily evacuated from the body 👍

[@brianj.841]

Thanks!

[@trischas.2809]

Thank you for telling us that it is perfectly safe to accidentally feed people with Ballistol! We need more of these strange tidbits about our most lovely preservative!

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

"The animals showed signs of uneasiness" is a very meme-ready statement.

[@LucioFercho]

I think these were used by Peru in the War of the Pacific against Chile, let me confirm that. PS.: Lol, you do mention it in the video, apologies for doubting! 😂 Some of the weapons captured from the Peruvians had Turkish characters on the rear sight.

[@enriquekahn9405]

This is one information-dense episode I love it

[@gavinhammond1778]

There's a lot of fez in this one, even more than might be expected in a presentation that deals with the Ottoman empire. Thanks for the content.

[@ludditeneaderthal]

When I saw the thumbrest, my first thought was "wow, they put in a thumb shelf for Mae, bet she loves it!", lololol

[@Bhartrampf]

Balistol is awesome stuff, I first learned about it and used it when training with the German Army. They used it for everything, including scratches, hangovers and constipation. Some even drank a shot every morning, to in his words "To keep everything running smoothly". I can confirm that drinking it doesn't hurt you, as I have drank it and it does keep things running smoothly while on a steady diet of MRE's😂

[@charleykeenan6171]

Best and most important historical reference one could find. Great explanation of a firearm and its historical impact on the nations it production and use represents! Great episode 👏

[@karakan1578]

Another awesome episode 🎉 Sultan Abdulhamid’s Toughra (pronounced “too - ruh”) is different pre-post Russo Turkish War… By the way, even the Toughra experts have a hard time deciphering them, if they are a bit worn out, and not fully visible

[@iirainey]

What makes them particularly difficult to learn is that most of the examples shown online are from calligraphy, not stamps in metal. A very good source for Ottoman tuğra in metal objects is "Ottoman Silver Marks" by Garo Kürkman. It is a book for silver items, but they show the "smudgy" way that they appear and is a great identification guide.

[@karakan1578]

@@iirainey great information. Thank you

[@budrubert3120]

So glad to see you guys do this one! I've run across a few and always thought the story was neat.

[@russerickson9744]

Thank you for the wonderful diversion from work.

[@alcedob.5850]

Pleven is one of the loveliest Bulgarian towns. If you ever happen to be there, pay a visit to the Panorama of Pleven - a museum dedicated to the battle. It's absolutely epic, although not really big. Has many really cool guns from the era, too

[@genghiskhanmn]

YES PLEVEN OLD OTTOMAN TERRİTORY TURKS VS RUSSİANS BULGARİANS SERBİANS ROMANİAN GREEKS TURKS WAS A HERO.

[@fien111]

Interested in the old gun: Broke (literally, they're 150+ years old and Mark earns his pay, bless that man) Interested in the old gun designers: Woke Interested in the old firearms industry movers and shakers: Bespoke Interested in the petty, usually illegal, INSANE BULLSHIT all three get up to: WHAT I'M HERE FOR BABY! Tell me more about 1870s US patent laws, I'm actually not joking at all

[@eazy8579]

Cool! More Ottoman stuff. These are always some of the most interesting imo; if you can get ahold of them, please do the ottoman weapons. Super interesting, and really interesting to learn about

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Couldn't disagree more.

[@DebatingWombat]

@@SonOfTheDawn515 Mind me asking why?

[@matthewcharles5867]

The Ottomans used quite a few Martini rifles and carbines during the fighting in the middle east in ww1 alongside their Mausers.

[@blanktm228]

Another double-watch for a great show. Thanks, you guys!

[@zanehastie7589]

did you fall asleep?

[@blanktm228]

@@zanehastie7589 nah, i just let it play on utreon and watch it on youtube

[@theminnesotan592]

Yay more Martinis!

[@jacktheaviator4938]

The rabbit/ballisol passage from the MSDS sold me. I have a toddler grandchild, and "completely filled" is quite possible with an inquisitive child.

[@richardanderson2742]

I refuse to believe you can cover the Martini in only 6 episodes. You haven't even scratched the carbines yet, much less the failed EM that went on to be reworked as the 3 flavors of MK IVs, the variety of carbines, the new made MM in .303, the conversions of carbines and rifles to .303 or 7.65, the manufacture by Kabul, plus all the great tales of how so many of these made it into the US. But you certainly have made a good start!

[@pourlemerite]

Loved it, keep ‘stretching’ the story for us nerds 😁

[@davidhansen5067]

Another Martini! Bottoms up!

[@phprofYT]

Oh, Oliver Winchester. That was very clever. Very very clever.

[@henryroberts7098]

it also sounds like Oliver Winchester may have enjoyed getting one over de Saint Laurent.

[@simonjones6128]

Love the post you and Mae make a great team

[@redsky8509]

thank you for trying to get us through this maze

[@timblack6422]

The best comment- “the world is a big, weird place”. Also, great discussion of the different breech loaders and single load bolt actions. The feelings and which would be fastest… great vid!!

[@johnjunge6989]

Glad to see you guys are still around, retired and have made restoring old shotguns my bag. But I've started C&R rifles too. Your info is very helpful in selection of rifles. I get replies all the time from your or Mae's videos, saying i won something, sorry if I did not respond, but don't trust responses anymore since I almost got hung out a year ago. Great stuff as always.

[@EmyrDerfel]

The channel isn't running any competitions. No channels are. Its all scammers.

[@rfortier1615]

I own 2. I have been waiting. Thank you all so much

[@SauerkrautIsGood]

49:00 The Japanese often used "Modification (Mod.)" like a western country would use "Mark (Mk.)". A weapon or system would be named "Type XX Mod. N" with XX being the year on the calendar and N being the version number. Ex: Type 95 Mod. 1 I don't know if the Mod. number stared at zero or 1 however.

[@coldandaloof7166]

Ballistol! Good for cleaning guns, tools, wounds, and now apparently even your colon. Yep literally covers you inside and out just like my guns.

[@alancarr3381]

Thanks guys

[@stevenwestswanson9263]

What an amazing video about an amazing rifle!

[@joet.s.6283]

Still loving this series!

[@cheesenoodles8316]

Martini marathon .... Excellent...

[@dukefanshawe6815]

I have watched almost all of your episodes. I am a huge fan, keep up the amazing job! 👏

[@seandahl8441]

I've loved all of your episodes. You guys do amazing work

[@RodrigoFernandez-td9uk]

According the memoirs of the Chilean officer José Arturo Olid, at some point of the Battle of Tarapacá, the Peruvian Peabodys outranged the Chilean bronze cannons.

[@JohnCBobcat]

More of the Peabody-Martini-Henry-Enfield story? Yes please!

[@c.b.816]

Glad you found time to stretch at the end. Stretching is vital to prevent injuries.

[@GabrielCortese-mb2oe]

I feel asleep and this was on my phone whenI woke up I'm subscribed

[@Primarch359]

A Madsen is just a martini machine gun. Still blows my mind on the second viewing.

[@wingracer1614]

"Purely on its own, it feels long OK, and it is pretty dense" Also "but it's actually significantly shorter."

[@jerrysartin3943]

Great, as always

[@christopherseivard8925]

Thanks for making my day.:)

[@alexs3948]

I recently started looking at KZbin. I'm at home on hospice. I thoroughly enjoyed your show! I would suggest getting a veteran to consult with you before recording. You've missed answering some glaring questions.

[@johnhaylett3643]

the price you quote of 63 shillings is that english shillings if it is this equates to £3 -3shillings or in victorian terms 3 guineas

[@michaelmoorrees3585]

Before ~1970, The British had 12 pence to a shilling, and 20 shillings (aka "a bob") to a pound. But just when you were confused about those units, they had a guinea = 21 shillings (1 pound, 1 shilling). What's that all about ? Were they selling something for a pound, that also incurred a 1 shilling tax ?

[@johnhaylett3643]

@@michaelmoorrees3585 a Guinea was a gold coin in use up until 1816 originally worth a pound but price of gold went up so gov fixed value at 21shillings when it was dropped as a coin it carried on being used as acommon term even today especially in the world of horse racing ( still a race called the 2 thousand guineas) and I believe that at race horse auctions the prices where in guineas until very recently

[@johnhaylett3643]

@@michaelmoorrees3585 when I was a child back in the dark ages (1960,s) there was a little old tailors shop in my town where all his prices where in guineas

[@Ben_not_10]

The ottomans were like the guy who goes into gunshops and asks if they can do a 90 day layaway

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

And is obviously not right in the head. Probably lives in a run down trailer.

[@realtalk6195]

The Ottoman Empire was caught up in a lot of regional and internal wars and instability during that time and therefore debts and payment delays were inevitable.

[@ironanvil1]

For a magazine falling block, you also have the Madsen precursor, the Rasmussen semi-auto.

[@jameshealy4594]

Wait, Iron sights on a rifle are supposed to both be in focus? *makes optometrist appointment*

[@Imp-mq1be]

FINALLY A VIDEO ON MY BELOVED MARTINI!!!

[@73honda350]

A lot of cool headgear in the mid 1800's.

[@timothyedge6100]

Oh my gosh I was going back into reprocussion and never doubled back to this one!!

[@jamespfp]

1:03:10 -- RE: Mae can't tell Left from Right; Self-deprecating humor appreciated, but hey, moments ago Mae also showed her awareness of what would be visible in frame of a cut-away close-up camera before stopping the video shoot and consulting it. Therefore, I suspect that explains some of the left-right confusion, since the Audience / Viewer is clearly of concern to Mae. o7 and TYVM C&Rsenal for another fantastic video!

[@jamespfp]

And if that's TL;DR for today's modern audiences... See also: High Production Values.

[@BIG-DIPPER-56]

Excellent - Thanks ! ! 🙂😎👍

[@meatheadjose2856]

good video I didn't know this rifle had this long of a history.

[@marksterlson]

Yay, a Martini-thon, Great episode!!

[@iamnolegend2519]

Love your stuff.

[@HereticalKitsune]

Dunno what it is with the Martini action, but I really love it.

[@Lomi311]

Good to see the real master of Plevna get some love.

[@autistic_elite]

Congratulations you’re at 500,000 subscribers

[@mehim3447]

To any and all reading this: You are all hopelessly, wonderful Geeks. May you, Othias and Mae, and all that sail with you, live long and prosper.

[@hessex1899]

Ballistol is fantastic. I use it for everything except completely filling my alimentary canal.

[@hessex1899]

Also; HI OTHAIS!!!! -HCE

[@Candrsenal]

hey homey, we have a public discord at the bottom of our main site

[@McNubbys]

As a random nerd, I appreciate your efforts😊

[@ianhowick]

If we 5X fund the next T-Shirt Campaign, can we give Othias a Balistol Enema?

[@kiril451]

You should become the All-Martini Channel

[@Arkus-Duntov]

Do you think you'll ever do the Swinburn-Henry? I expect it'll happen eventually if you can find one.

[@nicholasprentis7120]

Another amazing episode like always. But since the guy is from Massachusetts it leads me to pronounce it: PeeBeeDee, which is the same way we pronounce the towns name

[@badopinionsrighthere]

2:20 I'm now worried for crozier

[@quentintin1]

regarding the "Meji 13th year type, mod. 1" marking my thinking is a bit conjectural and reposes on logic found both outside the realm of small arms and the timeframe of those guns but japanese military navy aircraft when adopted, the first pattern would be adopted marked as "type XX (fighter/bomber/danger kite) model 1" with subsequent modifications numbered sequentially, or likewise for the army planes, the first adopted variant would be Ki-XX-I, then Ki-XX-II and so on

[@iivin4233]

"Moooomm. Can we stop for Peabodys?" "We have Peabodys at home!"

[@dant8234]

Martini Henry: High costs and ammunition near impossible to find or not easy to craft. Well, I guess I gotta have one!

[@Nam8Macs]

Finally, the day has come

[@thespecialbru]

I’m so jealous of your martini menagerie. I have a commercial Wesley Martini that I still haven’t had the chance to fire. Some day!

[@conroypaw]

Othais: "It has the Remington 700 trigger of its day." Me: "Oh wow! Really?" A few moments later... Me: "Oh... ohhhhhh..."

[@bhoward9378]

@1:06:40 "This one has been completely gone through." Are you channeling Master Gunsmith Mark Novak?

[@jessebraughler8594]

"Occasionally" Revolvers Ok Spanish Revolver show, you keep doing you.

[@oolooo]

6:17 He counts Cuba and Spain as separate and that vexes me .

[@Candrsenal]

Cuba had a fairly independent procurement history.

[@oolooo]

@@Candrsenal Oooooh , separate armament procedure than the rest of the Kingdom .Fascinating .

[@wagon9082]

Good Video

[@carlcarlton764]

Hm, no more than two Martinis in a row? No danger of any 'hold my Martini' moments.

[@marinabrennecke5495]

Some years ago i bought this gun and it looks like produced yesterday.

[@sae1095hc]

"When 'arf of your bullets fly wide in the ditch, Don't call your Martini a cross-eyed old b'tch; She's human as you are -- you treat her as sich, An' she'll fight for the young British soldier. Fight, fight, fight for the soldier . . ."

[@jamesrivettcarnac]

Sick man being no joke

[@nehaojha9094]

The Martini (.577/450 Martini-Henry Volunteer rifle) among others (.275 Rigby etc) is a famous rifle in India as it was used by Jim Corbett to hunt man eating tigers from 1900s - 1930s. He always stated it to be sure-shot rifle and good to use in dark conditions heavy enough for a tiger. Didnt know about its US origins - always assumed it to be a British one.

[@patrickmccrea3455]

Thank you sir i really enjoy channel i am a new subscriber keep up the great work😁

[@MayheM_72]

Funny you should mention filling one's digestive tract with Ballistol. My wife is currently prepping for a colonoscopy tomorrow. I wonder if it would aid in her endeavor via improved lubrication. 😂

[@MFGordon]

How about an episode on the Model 1878 Sharps Borchardt?

[@faketaxidriver5651]

When somebody talking about Martini Henry rifles, everybody will talk about the Zulus. But a lot of them didn't know that (Peabody) Martini-Henry was also the standard issue rifles of the Ottoman Empire and used during the Russo-Turkish War of 1877-1878.

[@SonOfTheDawn515]

Except no one really cares about the turks except turks.

[@davidbrennan660]

C&Rsenal are mixing cocktails for us ... hurrah!