EDMUND FITZGERALD MEMORIAL-CAPTAIN DARRELL WALTON NEW INFO UNCLE RALPH WALTON PERISHED

The story of the Edmund Fitzgerald continues to fascinate me. As a former Merchant Marine, I have great respect for the industry and the sacrifices made over the centuries to keep America moving. In my annual tribute to the Fitz, I sat down with Captain Darrell Walton, whose uncle Ralph Walton went down with the great ship. Listen in for some new perspective on what might have happened. But mostly, this is my salute the 29 brave souls who gave their lives...and to all the Merchant Marines who have sacrificed all. Thanks for your support!
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[@MrLuckytrucker21]

Wow, didn't know she was loaded up to her summer draft line, when in a winter storm!

[@toddgilmore8412]

I have just finished re-watching this amazing tribute, well done guys. I still just can't imagine what Capt. Bernie Cooper went through that night. First loosing sight and then radar contact with the Fitz, just a horrific and unbelievable feeling that she was probably gone. And then the call he received to go back out into the storm and search for his fellow mariners of which he did. Capt. Cooper is certainly a hero in this tragic story.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Capt. Cooper was amazing. I can't imagine going back out in the same storm that he knew took down the Fitz. Courage beyond words. RIP Capt. Cooper. Thanks Todd...we are really enjoying your contributions and support. HMM

[@gilliankingston8259]

There are a number of videos about the Edmund Fitzgerald but those where Captain Darrell talks about her seem to be the best informed and knowledgable👍

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...Capt. D is the best! HMM

[@100pba2]

Thank you for keeping the memory of the Edmund Fitzgerald alive.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for watching...HMM

[@TheChadWork2001]

Thanks. That's the best insider documentary in the Fitz I've seen.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! Greatly appreciated...HMM

[@ks8452]

I reported to USCG TRACEN Cape May, New Jersey for boot camp that night. My dad told me about the sinking when I made my two minute call home.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

It's funny how we remember those moments, where we were and what we were doing. Thanks K S...HMM

[@fedupwithfedforever4151]

This HISTORY NEEDS to be a movie !

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I agree...the Fitz would make a great motion picture. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@THEJR-of5tf]

It was Gordon Lightfoot that made me aware of the tragedy. I'm a Brit living in the UK. I have read all the books I can find about this event RIP every one of the crew, you will never be forgotten.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching. And thanks to Gordon Lightfoot for making the story of the Mighty Fitz known around the world. It's exciting to hear from you, all the way from the UK. HMM

[@jeffbranchick1516]

Invaluable documentary interview. I see no reason to doubt the good Captain Walton regarding the inside details of covering up the Fitz bottoming out on the shoal and the red paint found there. As he stated, why would those people bullshit him? This was a different era, and unfortunately for the blue collar hard worker, keeping your mouth shut to protect your job was a common practice then. I didn’t know about the difference of two less bulkheads. It makes sense that would jeopardize the structural integrity of a boat that big. She was pushed beyond her limitations too many times. This was that one, once a century perfect storm, that became one trip too many, and 29 real good men paid their lives for company greed. The fascination of this tragic event never fades. Well done sir.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again Jeff. Once the story of the Mighty Fitz grabs hold, it never lets go...every November it just comes back for more. HMM

[@jeffbranchick1516]

@@HistoryMysteryMan Like clockwork. The circle just comes around once again. Appreciate your reciprocation. Give me a shout when you come back through the Land and we'll figure something out. Or I'll let you know when I decide to make another trip to the National Museum at the Maritime Center on the Maumee. That said, I sent you a DM connect msg on LinkedIn.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@jeffbranchick1516 Got it...done! We'll work something out for sure...HMM

[@mikeb949]

I totally agree with Captain Darrell! I had the honor of meeting and speaking with Captain Bernie Cooper back in the 1980's. He pulled no punches when he told me his true thoughts on the sinking, and I always will believe him over any Coast Guard reports. Anytime you're in the Harrison Township MI area Captain Darrell, drinks are on me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

How cool...a conversation with Captain Cooper! Thanks for watching...HMM

[@evrav4]

Take Bernie coopers word ship was over loaded to start with

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@evrav4 And Cooper was there...in that same sea. Thanks...HMM

[@mikeb949]

@@HistoryMysteryMan Exactly! And what some people may not realize, is that the Arthur Anderson was getting hammered by the same storm. Most of the crew on the Anderson were fearful they would not make either. That is why Captain Cooper (RIP) will always have my respect for going back to look for survivors.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@mikeb949 Well said Mike B...couldn't agree more on Captain Cooper. HMM

[@clearlycaribbeanreb7176]

The Big Fitz was an Ohio boat with plenty of native sons on her. We’ll never forget in the Buckeye State. RIP fellas 👊

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Well said...thanks for watching...

[@pchili4]

I could listen to this man talk about this forever! So interesting how he tells it!👍

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I agree! Thanks for watching...HMM

[@midnightwriter9658]

What a small world. My grandpa, Edward John Timblin (Oregon, Ohio) served on the same Crispin Olgeby as Mr. Walton did for most of the 1960's until his retirement in 1973. They must have known each other very well. I was home on leave from the Navy, sitting in the kitchen with grandpa on the morning after the sinking of the Fitz. A Detroit radio station broadcast the news about the ship; grandpa turned as white as a ghost. He and grandma knew several of the crew, including Captain McSorley. Grandpa was never the same after that morning and died about a year later. Thank you for posting this excellent piece.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome...thanks for watching. And thanks for sharing your personal stories here...so interesting! HMM

[@OnusBones]

I first got a chance to listen to the words of the song in 1980. It still gives me a chill, and my life has never been on or around the water.

[@buckwheatINtheCity]

Setting records for the amount of payload delivered; just one more haul boss man! One more!

[@historicalbiblicalresearch8440]

Very many parallels to the Titanic disaster and cover up. The regulations flouted, the bulkheads missing from the Fitz and not to the top on the Titanic , and then a bunch of bad luck all combining. Thanks for this heartfelt documentary.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for watching! HMM

[@alicewoodard2373]

Our inland fresh water seas are a force to be reckoned with

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Most definitely. Thanks Alice...HMM

[@dougyoungs2599]

I was only 7 when the mighty Fitz went down in 1975. I remember it well.. RIP crew of the Fitz. You will never be forgotten.

[@jimwiskus8862]

I was almost 19. I remember it like it was yesterday. I live in Iowa, and it touched a lot of people all across America. They were all very brave men, with many hopes and dreams of tomorrow.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Well said Doug...thanks for writing in.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

And it's been touching people around the world ever since. Thanks James, for taking the time to watch.

[@harrietharlow9929]

I was 22 at the time of the sinking of the Big Fitz and I remember it well.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@harrietharlow9929 Once you know, it's impossible to forget. Thanks Harriet...HMM

[@charcoalblues.6121]

Loved the little squirrel that bolted across the front porch at about 1.32sec...

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Oh I know; he's become somewhat of a sensation! A star is born, and it's about time the squirrels of the world got some love. Thanks for watching! HMM

[@augustusshook2881]

Thank You so much for this video. When I came home from the Army I wanted to come up there and get a job on one of those mighty ships. It was a dream of mine what a awesome job it would have been. Its my prayer that God will watch over all the crews that sail the Great Lakes and get home safely.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Augustus. What a life...living the Great Lakes. HMM

[@MrPolymers]

I could not agree more! I was a senior in 1975. I remember that evening for some reason. The weather got bad. I live in Canton, OH...

[@davedennis6042]

One of the sadest things about this story is that Captain McSorley was retiring after this trip. His wife was in a nursing home and he told her he was coming home and would never leave her again. Would you want to be the person that had to tell her that Ernest wasn't coming home? Sad.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Very sad. When Gordon Lightfoot had his concert at the University of Toledo, Mrs. McSorley attended the show in her wheelchair, and visited with Lightfoot backstage. Thanks for remembering the Mighty Fitz and her crew...HMM

[@jefferyashmore6477]

I feel very sad for her but mcsorley should not have went out overloaded a damaged ship.. his arrogance killed 28 good men. He could have waited till storm passed. His reputation preceeded him.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@jefferyashmore6477 You have some valid points. I would add though that McSorley was unaware of the impending storm and its severity. When he left the dock, there were no storm warnings issued...not even a gale warning. The gale warning didn't come until he was out in the middle of it...thanks. HMM

[@jefferyashmore6477]

@@HistoryMysteryMan I had never heard that. Thank you jeff.

[@gib59er56]

Titanic capt. Smith was to retire after the tragic trip as well. Eerie.

[@carlroberts7830]

from a person that made a living on the ocean for a time thank you

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome! HMM

[@bradparker9664]

Another great History Mystery Man video. As an ex cop, II tend to gravitate towards things like unsolved murders and the like...I have a book out on the Kennedy assassination. But something about the Fitz has really captured my attention. Your videos are by far the best out there.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks again, Brad...so appreciated. And thanks for your service in law enforcement...so much respect. #BackTheBlue HMM

[@kchapy720]

I got tears in my eyes when Captain Walton said his father was the 30th victim of the shipwreck. Thanks for interviewing him. What a fascinating man.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...I really appreciate that, and I know Darrell does too! HMM

[@kencooper5201]

The truth has been told. Great interview.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching, Ken...HMM

[@jerielliott6502]

My husband was a USCG stationed in Duluth MN. I will always remember the day the ship was dispatched and when it returned with a ship full of Coast Guard young men absolutely devastated by the disaster.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow...that's a difficult memory; thanks for sharing it here...and thanks for watching. HMM

[@dennisryan6370]

"We are holding our own"..... No truer words were ever spoken!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching, Dennis...HMM

[@Bald_Cat2007]

For those of you who don't know, the SS Reserve that Darrell Waltons' father was on was a fleetmate of the Edmund Fitzgerald and was also a sister ship of the Arthur M Anderson. There were 7 other sister ships of the Arthur M Anderson, and their names were Reserve J.L. Mauthe Edward B Greene Cason J Calloway Philip R Clarke Armco William Clay Ford

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for the info...HMM

[@tripplelindy2]

The AAA class

[@daynalynnxo]

I live close to the wreckage in Ontario! I’ve been up to the Edmund Fitzgerald lookout a handful of times! What a tragedy

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

A tragedy for sure. And we'll never know for sure what happened. May they all rest in peace. Thanks for watching, dayna lynn...HMM

[@qqube4762]

I was in the Air Force when this vessel went down. 26 thousand tons of ore . I wil never forget those words. That was the words that came from the rock radio station I listen to in Austin Texas. The radio station went off the air for 3 mintues.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow...interesting that the station was off-air for 3 minutes. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@BonnieDragonKat]

Miss ya Fitzer!!!! I am still haunted by your loss. My adopted maternal aunt and uncle lived two doors down from Bruce Hudson's parents house.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching. Did you know Bruce? HMM

[@BonnieDragonKat]

@@HistoryMysteryMan Honestly I may have. I don't remember much before the sinking.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@BonnieDragonKat Understood...thanks! HMM

[@michellep1965]

@@HistoryMysteryMan did you know Bruce had an infant daughter born that year possibly that fall to his long term girlfriend.

[@TSWest]

It was Gordon Lightfoot who first introduced me to the Edmond Fitzgerald. I can still feel my heart skip a beat when I listen to it and he sings that one line... "Does anyone know, where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" That always gets me. Great video that has gained you a new subscriber.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks; i appreciate you taking the time to watch. Such a powerful song...HMM

[@jski7355]

Very accurate lyrics , That recording really gives you that gloomy feeling , I remember hearing that song as I was driving thru a snow squall on a somewhat desolate section of highway just prior to Thanksgiving I looked at the gray skies ,and the intermittent precipitation ,, that was snow , drizzle snow , freezing rain .It was by no means a major storm , but enough to proceed with extreme caution . And a typical late November depressing day .. I could feel those Seaman .. I'll never forget it ...Crazy

[@American4Kestrel]

Lightfoot's homage to the unnamed workers on the Fitz still haunts me; I regularly share the song and story with my classes.

[@nancyback]

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[@gregj831]

My word! I can actually remember that teletype coming across our old TV screen! People all over the Buckeye State were stunned! I was just 11 and growing up Dayton Ohio but my family had a lot of roots up on the Lake and each year we vacationed in an old run-down cottage by the Lake. Dad used to take us to see the big boats and we were always in awe of them. We'd wave at the crewmen and they'd always wave back. In a sense, each of the crewmen on the Fitz were just like our machine shop Dads in that they were doing their best to bring home a check. Ungainly as she was, the Fitzgerald and her crew were the HMS Hood of the working class!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Did you ever remember waving at the Fitz as she went by, or were you too young to remember? Thanks for watching, greg j...HMM

[@alanadair7169]

Although I am not an American or Canadian I have followed the story of the Fitz for 30 plus years this has been an excellent video RIP the men of the Fitz

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Alan...HMM

[@masonpetersen4318]

Used to be OBSESSED with this ship when I was younger. Don’t know why but I was fascinated by it. Went to visit the museum when I was little

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

It's easy to get fascinated with the Fitz...thanks Mason...HMM

[@angelwalker3260]

What an amazing video! I'm from Michigan, I was 14 in Nov. 75. I remember. I was at my older sister's house visiting up in Boyne Falls. I do remember the storm. And I recall going to this little restaurant the next day and everyone talking about the Fitzgerald missing. This is the first I have ever heard about red paint on the rocks! Fascinating stuff!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Angel! I appreciate you taking the time to watch...HMM

[@billyanthony88]

I had the privilege of talking in depth with 2 elderly gentleman who were cousins. One served 6 years on the Fitz. 3 with Capt Pulcher and 3 with Capt McSorley. He tried through the 74 shipping season to get off the Fitz but didn’t have seniority to bump to another ship without taking a cut in pay. He actually quit Columbia before the start of the 75 season. He said “quitting seemed to be the only way to get off that boat with McSorley as master.” He said “Pulcher may have loaded it heavy and set haul records and ran her hard, but he wasn’t careless with her. McSorley was.” He said “frankly McSorley scared the hell out of me and a lot of the crew and I had to get off and away from him.” He said that McSorley may have been a good rough weather skipper but the Fitz was NOT a good rough weather ship, especially in the last couple seasons. The other gentleman was a foreman at Fraser shipyard. He was one of the inspectors who recommended that the Fitz go immediately into repair 2 weeks before she sank, but were over ruled by the coastguard and allowed to finish the season. He said that Tuesday morning, November 11th,1975, they were told by the managers at Fraser not to answer any questions regarding the bad condition of the Fitz, the weld breaks around the keel, or anything about it being unseaworthy. Management said, “we were over road by the coastguard. It’s their liability now, not ours.”

[@ijinokm]

Interesting/Intriguing comment, Billy. Appreciate it!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow...this is very interesting commentary; thanks for sharing it here, Billy. I had to go back and read what you wrote a few times to digest it all. Thanks again...HMM

[@tammiadams4001]

The truth slowly comes out in time when those feel safe to talk about it. After all these years Hoffa's body may have been finally located. It's just a matter of digging him up. Of all the ways to dispose of a body, Hoffa was placed headfirst in a 55-gallon barrel, a 12-foot hole dug with an excavator with Hoffa placed in it first along with other barrels dumped on top of him. I can't wait for them to start digging.

[@shawnjordan3330]

What a shameful loss of life driven by pure ego. A good ship an crew lost from pure assholery.

[@banditeastlick2471]

Another good reason to get to the bottom of the Fitz

[@jennycallaghan1914]

A lot of info I never knew! Astounding!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching...HMM

[@tangleshootburrfoot36]

I am so, so sorry for all of these brave sailors and their families!

[@scottberry5266]

I was 16 when this happened, I remember the storm and seeing the little ticker across the the bottom of the tv saying a freighter was missing on Lake Superior.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

It's one of the moments that stays with you for a lifetime. Thanks Scott...HMM

[@scottberry5266]

@@HistoryMysteryMan : I have a house in Grand Marais Mi and when I’m up there you get talking to people in the bar and they will ask where the Fitzgerald is, I always tell them look just past the point to the east and there’s where it is. It’s a long way past but it’s about in line, then they start playing the song on the jukebox.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@scottberry5266 Man I love this story...right on through the song playing on the jukebox. Thanks for sharing it here. How cool...to have a home in Grand Marais. Thanks Scott, for your interest...HMM

[@jefferyashmore6477]

I was 12 remember this well. Couldn't believe it.

[@Invictus13666]

I could listen to Captain Walton for hours. Thanks so much for making this.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Oh I know...ain't he awesome! Thanks...HMM

[@garylefevers]

Agreed. I could listen to that man all day. I truly hope to hear more in the future. What a terrific job on this doc.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@garylefevers Thanks Gary...Part 2 on the way.

[@mweinheim7911]

My 92 year old father worked on ore boats to save money for college. In the summer of 1947 he was a porter on the USED Burton.1948 on the L.E. Block as a deckhand, 1948 as a coal handler on the AA Augustus. 1950 he signed on the Adam E Cornelius as a coal passer. We asked him what life lessons he learned while on the boats. He said “ if you are reliable , do your job very well and have a positive attitude you will move upward”. Needless to say our family was deeply saddened by the sinking of the E Fitzgerald

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow!...I love that life lesson; thanks for sharing your story here! And thanks for remembering the Mighty Fitz and her crew. HMM

[@sroevukasroevuka]

I'm from the up I remember this happening I was a kid but I understood. One of my mother's friends from high school lost her dad when the Fitz sank.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I wonder who that dad was? Thanks for watching! HMM

[@Acemechanicalservices]

My family moved onto KI Sawyer Air Force Base next to Marquette Michigan the same month She went down. I was only 4 years old, but I’ll never forget.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Heck of a memory to keep from 4 years young. Thanks again, Ace. HMM

[@johnlaine6259]

I was eleven that night on the north shore, and that storm was just wild!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow...you remember the storm? What a memory. Thanks for watching John...

[@joelhenderson5404]

Wow pard this was very good stuff. I could not stop watching. Thank thank thank you God bless you!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Joel; thanks for watching...HMM

[@johnking1381]

I could listen to Darrell all week, excellent stuff, subbed

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Darrell's a gem...thanks John. HMM

[@kesfitzgerald1084]

The words, "we're holding our own", are the words of a man that knows he is in trouble and his back is to the wall but still hopeful.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Those are haunting words for sure. Thanks Kes! HMM

[@deltaqueen5704]

Kes FitzGerald, I agree. I also believe they are the words of a man who knows he is being beaten, and doesn't want to panic his crew.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@deltaqueen5704 Interesting...thanks for sharing here. HMM

[@tinman8972]

I don't think that most appreciate the size of the Great Lakes and the fact that winter storms there can rival anything you'll find at The Horn.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Couldn't agree more. I spent several winters on the Great Lakes (Tug and Barge). Deadliest Catch got nuttin on the Great Lakes. Thanks Tin Man...HMM

[@MyTube4Utoo]

Thank you for a great video. I'm 61 years old and have heard the song many times, of course, and just a few bits and pieces about the Edmund Fitzgerald, and it was enlightening to see this. *RIP Fine Men of the Edmund Fitzgerald*

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for taking the time to watch; I appreciate your support! I am also 61, almost 62. HMM

[@MyTube4Utoo]

@@HistoryMysteryMan 👍

[@tnelliott2447]

Love hearing the experts discuss it Great video 👍 sir

[@papabits5721]

The Morell split in half as did the Algoport which was under tow and empty, great video and story.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! And thanks for watching...HMM

[@mechntechbeau]

My dad and my grandfather we're both shippers on the Great Lakes. Some of the stories they've told me from back in the day made me never wanna work on the water. we live in Louisiana now but that wet mistress still hasn't let go my dad is is a captain of a fuel pusher, my pappy has since sadly passed away when a freighter lost power at the Ama bend and wiped out his tug and I'm a Marine Diesel Engineer.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Bet you have some awesome memories of your dad and grandfather. Thanks for sharing that here...HMM

[@jackmehoff2961]

it still brings a tear to my eyes ...

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You and me both, brother...thanks. HMM

[@thomashoward608]

I’m from Ottawa hills and went to high school there as well. My 8th grade year my history teacher taught us about this shipwreck and played us the song

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

What a great subject for your 8th grade history teacher to teach. And of course, Captain McSorley lived in Ottawa Hills. Thanks for watching Thomas...HMM

[@simpsonrdlarry4385]

Wow, what an amazing story. I could listen to that guy tell all about his father and uncle and rest of his family’s experiences on the ship’s all day and then some! Great video!👍

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...greatly appreciated. HMM

[@deltaqueen5704]

I agree Simpson Rd Larry. That gentleman is a natural born storyteller. He must be Irish.

[@CoastalAutoReactionCAR]

Thank you for doing these videos on the admin Fitzgerald! Glad I found your channel!

[@CoastalAutoReactionCAR]

Flipping auto correct obviously it was meant to say Edmund Fitzgerald* Cheers

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks! Greatly appreciated. Can you help me find Hudson's Challenger?

[@CoastalAutoReactionCAR]

@@HistoryMysteryMan Your video on the car was amazing!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@CoastalAutoReactionCAR Thanks...I really appreciate that. Stop by anytime! HMM

[@mr.sherlockholmes6130]

So sad they sank and all those men died . A merchant marine is a hard job . Thank you for your service great History. Service has to be hard and they should not be forgotten.There memory should never be forgotten.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for taking the time to watch. HMM

[@garymckee448]

Great video, first time I have heard from someone that knows about what it's like on the Great Lakes. Thanks

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Gary; thanks for watching...HMM

[@imhere653]

Now, THAT was packed full of intensely interesting FACTS. Thank you for your diligence towards educating those of us who don't know much about it. For a strictly voluntary endeavor, your generosity is exemplary. Thank you.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks 'I'm Here'...I appreciate you.

[@jeffburnham6611]

Packed with heresay. One someone says, "I was told this by so-and-so", someone who wasn't on the Fitz when she sank, it's not facts they're speaking, it's non-supportive opinion. If the Fitz did strike the bottom because she was riding too low, that could've easily been determined. If she struck the bottom bow first, her aft section would be sticking out of the water. To this day, if anyone who has seen the wreck and knows what really happened...they're not saying.

[@jasonw4053]

@@jeffburnham6611 except people have BEEN saying what this guy says in the interview for a long time, just not openly. There are interviews with former crewmen, one a chief engineer, who state that they didn't feel safe on that boat and that it had major issues. McSorely himself said so. Add to that overloading for years, and a hard, heavy weather captain, and you have a doomed ship.

[@redlinemando]

@@jeffburnham6611 WOW!!!!!!! Defensive & condescending much?!?!?!? It's a theory & you need to calm down dude..............that is unless you're part of Northwestern Mutual or the coast guard group that cleared the Fitz to finish out the season. Seasoned captains & seamen, from that area, familiar with those waters have all been saying the same thing for YEARS!!!!!!! It's a strongly supported theory based on the testimony & experience of ppl who served on the Fitz as well as other iron ore ships in the area. Here some simple math for you to chew on: 36 feet (6 fathoms) of water and the ship was loaded to 27 foot of draft. I mean.......it would only take a 10 foot wave for her to bottom out. If she struck bottom, bow first, 26,000 tons of force would have continued to push forward on the ship causing it to lurch up & buckle somewhere. This would have warped the ship into somewhat of a rainbow shape. With two less bulkheads than a ship of that size should've had & carrying much more weight than she should've been carrying for that time of year, it's easy to see how a stress point & eventual break could've happened. I believe the warping from the impact would have caused the bow to dive more than usual into each wave, putting even more strain on the initial impact point, until she could take no more. In a storm of that magnitude, it would have likely been impossible to notice the grimness of their situation until it was too late. I believe McSorley knew he'd struck bottom & that's why he immediately radioed that he was taking on water.

[@douglasskaalrud6865]

For further enlightenment there are at least a dozen books on the Fitz, all with differing viewpoints. I know a guy at work who saw a TV special on the foundering so he thought he knew everything and came to tell me because he had been told I was a “Fitzgerald guy.” I gave him three books to read and they demolished the “facts” as he had been fed. It pays to read up on the Fitz and form your own opinion. Remember the phrase, “consider the source?” That’s especially true with this subject because there are egos to massage, reputations to salvage, asses to cover and scores to settle. In the end, I believe the storm was just the straw that finally broke the camel’s back. The story of the weary camel begins with the laying of the keel.

[@_R-R]

Every sailor who risks their life on these lakes, or the open ocean, is a special kind of person. Ready and willing. Facing ferocious storms. Respect. R.I.P. SS Edmund Fitzgerald and your 29.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks R R; I appreciate your support...HMM

[@joeleaton607]

Wish they would make a movie on this ship and that night.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Oh I know...wouldn't that be awesome! Thanks for watching, Joel.

[@VideoSaySo]

Oh wow...thank you for this!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You are so welcome!

[@tylerbuckley4661]

Rest in peace to the last member Gordon Lightfoot and to the. 29 crew who braved the storm you will never be forgotten. By me 😢

[@stevieray6216]

Awesome content, sir! Cpt Walton’s testimony gave me goosebumps. Inside knowledge and compassion. So, you could argue that ultimately it was excessive profit seeking that brought the Fitz down. Missing bulkheads, overloading, poor maintenance b/c those runs had to be made. Amazing that the Arthur M. Anderson is still in service today, now almost 70 years old!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

I know...the Anderson is a war horse! The Fitz is a sad story for sure...heartbreaking to this day. Thanks for watching Stevie...

[@Houndini]

I think Cpt. Walton is correct. That happens lot more than is officially noted in all dangerous occupations.

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@HistoryMysteryMan Love the Anderson! She's older than me and still workin'. She's one tough Lady. Long may she sail! And I agree--the Fitzgerald is very sad. I remember seeing the great ore ships and in a fit of four-year-old exuberance yelling "shippie!". As you can tell I've loved ships and the sea since little. And the Great Lakes of course since I grew up near the Detroit River and Lake St. Clair. Seeing their photos I can only think they should either be old men or have passed after long, hopefully rich, lives. May they all rest in peace.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@harrietharlow9929 Thanks for sharing your thoughts here Harriet. I too grew up in the Detroit/Toledo area and have always loved the Great Lakes...largest body of fresh water in the world; we are so lucky to live next to them. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@mightyyak]

Thank you for sharing this video with us.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for watching...

[@christophersims7060]

Thank for sharing this memorial and personal experience of the disaster, RIP to all involved and affected.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Christopher; thanks for watching...HMM

[@gayprepperz6862]

This has to be the most enlightening interview about the Fitz that I have ever seen (since I watched my first documentary on her). I've heard a bit about it's construction issues, and alleged remarks made by McSorely about it, but interview had me mesmerized. Profit and greed sunk the Edmund Fitzgerald, just as sure as The Witch of November.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks kindly; I appreciate your kind remarks. Sooner or later, greed always seems to rear its ugly head in corporate America...

[@gregoryclemen1870]

they will always put "PROFIT OVER SAFETY"!!!!!, I was 14 years old when this happened, and it really hit home when gordon lightfoot released the powerful tune "THE WRECK OF THE EDMOND FITZGERALD" in 1976. the "FITZ" had another 60 year lifespan, but it was pushed until it "BROKE"!!!!

[@gregoryclemen1870]

thanks for the "HEART"!!, I will always remember as long as I live, it makes me upset when 29 lives were lost. I do not remember what insurance company that owned the "FITZ", it is real interesting that there is no "DIVING" / investigation of the wreck. gee, what are they hiding?????. I have never known of an honest insurance company, they only like to see the money go one way "IN"!!!, no payouts!!!!!

[@Random-rt5ec]

It is suggested that greed also sand the Titanic. Several wealthy anti-Central Bank passengers were on board the Titanic & the families behind the Central Bank needed these passengers disposed of. Today these families pretty much own the world.

[@michiganman9599]

@@gregoryclemen1870 indeed regarding the life span; the Arthur M. Anderson, which was slightly older than the Fitzgerald, is still going strong to this day, 46 years later

[@momv2pa]

Nicely done. I nearly cried at the end when they were ringing the bell and showing the crew’s pictures. Gif bless the crew, their families and friends.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks. Yeah...the end...going through the crew members is definitely my favorite part...HMM

[@hunhun23]

I WAS 13 YEARS OLD AND LIVING IN ALASKA WHEN THIS HAPPENED. RIP TO THE MEN LOST THAT DAY

[@stansmith4054]

Excellent investigative reporting my brother!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Stan...greatly appreciated...HMM

[@TheKRU251]

I am a UK resident all my life but the Edmund Fitzgerald has a resonance to me. My father was a carpenter for Cunard on the Mauritania, Queen Mary and Elizabeth. The stories of storms were frightening. The information regarding the grounding being covered up rings so true. The bulkhead issues etc. Thank you for such an informative inciteful video! God bless all who sail !

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome; thanks for watching! HMM

[@gregembrey2947]

Very interesting ,could sit back and listen for hours. a very sad story, thanks for sharing.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Greg; thanks again, sir!

[@oldmountainmarineandmetals9736]

I have always been intrigued with the story of the Big Fitz, being a former Waterman from the Chesapeake Bay this was really well done and gave me chills

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Jeff; greatly appreciated. HMM

[@CherylDonelon]

Thank you. I am also drawn to this story. Shipwrecks and Maritime history. My grandfather waa a Merchant Marine during WW2 .. like fisherman, all underappreciated.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Cheryl; I appreciate you! Being a Merchant Marine is rough business, and I appreciate your recognition for all...HMM

[@lilym2432]

I was six when the Edmund Fitzgerald sank. I first heard about it from Gordon Lightfoot's song. I still love that song and it still gives me chills when I hear it. I enjoyed this video. Thank you for posting this.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome, and thanks for watching! And thanks for remembering the Mighty Fitz and her crew. HMM

[@nw8000]

MY GOD! These guys had this information and their opinions for 45 years and this is the first time they have been allowed to speak about them! OUT STANDING THAT MAN! THANK YOU ALL FROM THE UK AND GOD BLESS ONE AND ALL!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching! HMM

[@BMWvroom]

Well done, thank you so much. I grew up in Lorain Ohio and loved watching the huge freighters ply Lake Erie. I've read every book and article on the Edmund Fitzgerald that I can get my hands on, thus I so appreciate your video. In 2017 I rode my motorcycle from where I live in Bangor Maine to Whitefish Point to visit the museum there. Thank you again for the excellent video, it was very informative. . RIP to the captain and crew of the Mighty Fitz.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Wow! What a great trip...a motorcycle ride from Bangor, Maine to Whitefish Point. That sounds completely awesome. How do you like living in Bangor? Thanks for watching...HMM

[@scottphillips7108]

YES... Accurate account of finding the red paint on the shoal afterwards...

[@darrellwalton938]

A member of those investigations is the one that informed me of the red paint. A very reputable person!

[@picustchuck]

My father worked for the same company. I was 8 years old, he had just come home for lay up. First time I ever saw him cry. Very nicely done sir.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks...so appreciated...HMM

[@SHEEPLESUCK]

Picustchuck I was 7 when it happened. Whenever this subject comes up, the Gordon Lightfoot song automatically starts playing in my head. I'm from Toledo and I'm wondering where the captain's house is.

[@picustchuck]

@@SHEEPLESUCK I was wondering that as well. I'm in Oregon a few miles from the ore docks.

[@larryhall2805]

I was in 11th grade. But I'm wondering if a boatman on the Great Lakes is similar lifestyle as a railroader. I tried that but sucked at it. :,-)

[@lesschoenberger3070]

This was so well done, and to hear that they found red paint on the rocks on Caribou Shoals leads me to strongly believe that Captain Cooper was correct, he always said he believed that they bottomed out on the shoals and were sinking ever since. That relative of a crewmember really told some things that we have never heard before, really enlightening facts. It's sad about his father, sorry that he had such a rough life.....

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Les...greatly appreciated. HMM

[@drforjc]

But none of the divers ever made a public statement setting the record straight?

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@drforjc No idea...great topic for you to research...thanks!

[@lesschoenberger3070]

@@drforjc Probably because like he said it would put the shipping company at risk of being liable so they were "persuaded" to keep quiet about what they saw?

[@drforjc]

That was my question. How would the shipping company be at risk if the Fitz had bottomed out? That's a navigational error in a bad storm. They would have been far more liable if the cause of the sinking was a faulty ship, as some people have theorized.

[@BoMaxadventures]

It's possible my grandfather knew this gentleman's father. My grandfather was from Toledo and also was at the Battle of the Bulge and received the Bronze Star. His name was Harold Barrett

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Interesting. Very possible that they knew each other...same battle and same town. Thanks for sharing your story, here...HMM

[@saraanderson6615]

I only know about the Edmund Fitzgerald because of Gordon Lightfoot’s song. So it’s good to hear the personal side of the story.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for taking the time to watch! HMM

[@sluf1963]

Wow , I have always felt drawn to , and fascinated by these monster vessels, especially the "Mighty Fitz" , and if the truth could be known , so could blame . That was a hard pushed boat , like an old man , over worked , and abused by greed , weak , and weary , yet always working , no time to properly heal , back pain in her hull , hauling her last over weight run . She is gone . Thank you so much , I think this is the best observation , and most probable description of this tragedy. Thank you . R.I.P. Fitz , and Crew .

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thank you so much; I appreciate all your kind words...HMM

[@toddsgreatoutdoors4226]

I love your channel and the interesting interviews. I watch these on Sunday evenings and find that it's calming and comforting to me. Thanks!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Todd...so appreciated. I love the calming effect thing...Sunday night therapy! Thanks for your support...HMM

[@swte82]

Great job with this Video! I used to work with John McCarthy. His Dad was Joe McCarthy on the Fitz. Never knew John’s Dad but John was a great guy.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks. I've heard from shipmates that his dad was a remarkable man. Any idea how I'd get in touch with John McCarthy? Thanks for watching! HMM

[@kvlemark]

I trust his opinion more than anyone. He knew what was going on, he knew them all, he knows the trade, and most important he knows the lay of the land more than most ever will. That boat bottomed out, broke its back after the bow hit the bottom. I really just don’t see anyone ever changing my mind. What a ride those boys went on.. I can only imagine..

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts here; I appreciate you.

[@alicewoodard2373]

I don't want to imagine (shudder)

[@Mr.CliffysWorld]

Bernie Cooper said TWO large waves struck them a few minutes before the Arthur M Anderson lost contact with the Fitz . One theory is the Fitz was long enough that when those two waves came thru, the bow was atop the first wave 🌊 and the stern atop the second wave 🌊 . So there was nothing supporting it amidships and it broke in half .

[@kvlemark]

@@Mr.CliffysWorld which is a good theory, but I don’t know if the two sections would end up that close together if that happened

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@Mr.CliffysWorld Interesting...worth considering. I can see the sense in what you're saying. Thanks for watching...HMM

[@johnelliott2364]

Great film, well done indeed. A similar fate befell the British Ore Carrier the MV Derbyshire which sank in a huge storm in the Pacific with all hands. I recommend you watch the documentary. RIP Big Fitz.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks John...I didn't know about the MV Derbyshire; I'll check it out!

[@celestethomson4397]

So sad to see a Ship of that calibre Sink😯

[@celestethomson4397]

SO SAD TO SEE A SHIP OF THAT CALIBRE SINK😯

[@pagejustin5572]

What's so disturbing, is that many, many thousands of ships have gone down obviously, nature of the business, but why hasn't the Big Fitz been made into a Hollywood Blockbuster for the good of humanity, the true story of the people on the lakes, and a reality check for everyone else

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

@@pagejustin5572 Now that's a very good question, especially when you consider the Fitzgerald is known around the world, thanks to Gordon Lightfoot's blockbuster ballad. It would make for an awesome movie. Maybe it's because we don't know what happened so it would be impossible to tell the right story? Thanks! HMM

[@jasonw4053]

I'm so happy that people are openly discussing the Fitzgerald's overloading, hard sailing and construction problems. Most of the older generation of sailors I've talked to have similar conclusions as this man youve interviewed. It's been known but rarely discussed openly

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching, Jason...HMM

[@bobpeckinpaugh2550]

One of THE BEST documentaries I've ever seen! Great job!!!!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Bob...so appreciated...HMM

[@OldGriz708]

I've never been to the Toledo museum but I have been to the shipwreck museum at Whitefish pt. many, many times over the years. I have cried each and every time.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching Old Griz...HMM

[@munkustrap2]

I've watched both videos & I would love to see the entire, unedited version of the interview. Thank you...& hold that rope precious.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks for watching...so appreciated. HMM

[@pokerinthefrontliqueurinth4971]

As a native Detroiter I find stories about Great Lake ship lore fascinating. I appreciate your foresight to interview people with a personal connection to the Fitzgerald. Keep up the good work.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks so much; I appreciate you taking the time to watch. Great Lakes shipping is soooo interesting!

[@bowslap]

Capt. Walton brought several key elements together in his summation, and ties into what Capt. Cooper believed happened...and frankly, it makes the most sense. The Fitzgerald's "ticket" was punched the moment they bottomed out at 6 Fathom Shoal, and the heavy seas/waves that hit the Anderson simply finished it off....

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Interesting...thanks for sharing your thoughts here...HMM

[@rainsweptflower]

good video, ty ♥ i was born and raised in Monroe MI, and every year of my childhood, dad brought me up to Whitefish Point and the shipwreck museum there. now i have a passion for all things Great Lakes Maritime but i didnt know about the museum in Toledo! cant wait to check it out next time i'm visiting family in Monroe. thanks again!

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

You're welcome Rainswept Flower! I appreciate you taking the time to watch. As a Toledo guy, I've been to Monroe many times. Happy holidays! HMM

[@timmotel5804]

Excellent. Very educational with much more information / facts than i have ever heard of before, and i have watched everything that i can find on the Fitz. The song has always been haunting. Thank you for this post.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Tim; I appreciate you...HMM

[@tommytucker1768]

I am obsessed- finally a vid that has facts and new credible info. Thanks Capt. Walton

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Tommy...we appreciate your support. HMM

[@garyvandecar2580]

I saw the Fitz in July 1973 2 years 4 months before she sank When me and my folks took the Soo Locks tour she was heading South towards Detroit such a gorgeous massive ship.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

What a great memory to carry around...thanks for sharing...HMM

[@thomasayer7511]

Wonderful and extremely done documentary about Big Fitz.

[@HistoryMysteryMan]

Thanks Thomas...HMM