Hit Your Roll Volley Like A Pro | Easy Upgrades for Better Shots

[@wd60152]

Thanks!

[@johncincolapickleball]

thank you for the support!!

[@briang1320]

So well done with the extreme slow motion takes and even changing from black and white to color to show wrong and right. Amazing clarity of the demos. I am impressed. So well done John.

[@revisingthescript]

You’re the best Pickleball teacher I’ve found on KZbin, and I’ve been digging through the archives. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks so much! I appreciate that 😊

[@lhuffman8343]

Yes I full agree the best in explaining shots 👊🏻

[@sparktheflame102]

Agreed! So grateful for the videos!

[@hollyreinford7417]

This is so hard for someone who is not a muti tasker 😂

[@SailCamaraderie]

I don't know why it has taken me this long to discover you John...I'm an instructor to 3.99 and really appreciate your teaching style and breakdowns of the mechanics...just brilliant! Looks like I have a lot of content to put on my watch list! Thank you.

[@johncincolapickleball]

awesome!

[@a.j.6018]

I’ve said this before…I love the way you break each lesson down, in pieces. Another great video John!

[@brucepotter5085]

over 25 year teaching skiing in utah, which has always been about progressions and developing muscle memory. Your the only PB coach breaking new concepts down into progression i've come across in nearly 10yeas of playing. Keep it up.

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thank you for that! I appreciate it. Will keep creating more content like this

[@genekochert9443]

Efficiency! JW is a master. As always a great job! Of great interest to me was your explanation on the 2 standards you use prior to adding a component to your game: 1) efficiency 2) returns at or near your ready position. These are great yard sticks for each of us to use prior to making changes/improvements in the future in our games. I agree with the with your assessment that the stroke is not wristy for the most part the wrist is along for the ride that the forearm provides. Tensioning turbocharges the technique. Great examples of the stroke being used in action. Great job! Most under rated instructor in the game, Time to get reppin........... everyone have a great weekend

[@jillsdancer]

John I really love your teaching style especially breaking down the movement to make up the shot. Good stuff!

[@charlesmosquera6279]

Thoroughly explained lesson from a true master. Thank you, Coach Cincola.

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks Charles, I appreciate that!

[@afterthesmash]

Yes! This is the droid I've been waiting for. I decided to work on drops and resets before adding speed-ups (other than a top-spin drive, which has been my only spin shot). I'm ready to add a speed-up, but I just wasn't that impressed by many of the videos I had watched. With a ball machine, I would probably have started with a swing volley, but that's not so easy to learn during game play. But this shot I can learn with a few sessions at the picklewall, and then perfect during game play (or at least, improve it enough). A perfect addition. It keeps me in the ready position, which is first rate, and the compact nature is consistent with my other goals.

[@alohaleslie9407]

Thanks so much for breaking the roll volley down so thoroughly. The simplicity and efficiency of your techniques will really help me be prepared for the next shot coming back. I often find myself unprepared and scrambling to respond/react to my opponents quick exchange. Much appreciated!

[@johncincolapickleball]

You bet, I would have the same problem quite often when I started. I thought I was just forgetting to get back to ready position when in reality my previous swing being too big gave me no chance to be ready in time.

[@alexarmstrong578]

As a current tennis teaching professional new to pickleball, I think you do a great job with your progressions. Keep it up and I’ll keep watching!

[@gregmajchrzak-t2z]

Great teaching! I have struggled to hit the rolling volley consistently! This explains why Im missing and how to correct and perfect the shot

[@johncincolapickleball]

Awesome, good luck with it 👍

[@jenniewigton7960]

I love the way you break the mechanics of the shot down and you always answer my "whys" !!

[@dikeajiri-top10rankedsenio30]

This might be my 2nd comment because I needed to review it again. Great stuff John.

[@mariolombardi4766]

Like all of John’s videos, he clearly (better than most) explains the technique and how to implement it so that you can make it part of your own game. Thanks John!

[@TamiVroma1]

Love your vids and the way you break it down so even someone who is learning can grasp it. Especially with the slow-mo....being able to let your brain process what what you are saying. I started learning back hand and forehand rolls with my instructors a couple weeks ago. I almost skipped the lesson because I didn't think I was advanced enough to do it. They had me doing two or three before I left and I was over the moon. This fits so perfectly with what they taught me! Thank you!

[@johncincolapickleball]

that is great! the back and forehand rolls are a big step up in your game. im glad you are able to takeaway key pickleball lessons

[@mervatameen646]

You're a great coach! I'm so fortunate to find your channel! Please talk about the yeps, your favorite serve, and the mental game. Thanks John

[@aardverks159]

Outstanding teaching and clarity, through smart use of slow-mo and good camera positions.

[@linstula]

Such great content, John. Love your videos. You’ve got a natural talent for teaching. I appreciate the time and effort you’ve put into your content!

[@davidanderson260]

Wow John! What a gift you have in teaching. I love your videos and appreciate the time and attention you put into them. You give me good ideas for teaching too.

[@retiredcaracer7351]

John that explanation of going from loose hand grip to firm grip that causes the paddle to snap up is amazing. So simple. Now if I can make it work for me. We'll see if I get the opportunities today. But I will setup my machine one day this week and practice. And congrats on being on the Selkirk Team. I just received my Project 003 two weeks ago.

[@artgonzales8501]

Love how you break down not only the mechanics of the shot, but the purpose of the mechanics. Great method. Keep it up! With your instructions I feel comfortable moving up from 3.5 - 4.0! P.S. I'm also a Selkirk fan!

[@CindeeMiller]

Your teaching was very easy to understand and I loved the slow-mo/pausing explanation videos!

[@danskiludvik8358]

Your content is consistently among the best. Your knowledge of not only the mechanics, but also how to convey your information clearly and concisely make it obvious that you've made coaching your life's work.

[@TiCaudron]

John - great explanation of the mechanics, the examples and then showing the video from the pro matches!

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks! 👍

[@Bing1ling]

This video confirms the best Pickleball advice I ever received: More Ping Pong, less tennis.

[@esutanto74]

add some badminton

[@artgonzales8501]

Your roll volley explanation also works for the backhand roll volley. Helps improve a weak backhand for me.

[@BAZUHI]

Love you showed it in slow motion. It shows the total mechanics of the move. My question is how would you practice this when you’re by yourself?

[@howardchoi6978]

Thank you for great image

[@Arx9845]

Terrific graphics, phenomenal explanations and superb reel examples. Thanks John!

[@krissnider8144]

This is how we taught a roll volley ( aka top spin volley) back in the 1980s in my racket sports class and taught this skill to our elementary students...Thanks for the reinforcement of how this skill was originally taught...

[@johncincolapickleball]

Glad you liked it!

[@lisacreechbledsoe2124]

That's the first time I've heard it explained, and seen it shown, such that I *finally* understand it. Thanks! (Now to go practice it!)

[@donnettewand6197]

Amazing breakdown - and practical uses. Excited to try!

[@marvindennis3664]

it's the difference of a Tennis approach to PB vs a Ping Pong approach. The PP makes more sense. Lighter balls, quicker movements, speed v power. Speed wins. Thanks John. You explained it and showed the difference very well.

[@AmyJamison-u3k]

Stability! Hit your shot so you can be ready for quick returns! Somewhat agree some people would feel more elbow strain if they overdo it. Everything in moderation ( except stability and being ready for anything to come back fast)

[@johncincolapickleball]

Yeah, it’s definitely a shot that can cause some issues if not hit with the correct technique.

[@man...9739]

Thanks John, enjoy your teaching, very new to the sport. Our Bellevue Tennis Durban South Africa club launching Pickleball this Sunday 7th May,

[@davidaronson9475]

Yep. Forearm rotation. I've been hitting it that way since I started playing 8 years ago. It's by far my best shot. Do it that way and keep practicing. However, I've shown it to dozens of people, and maybe 2 have figured it out -- so it might not be possible for some people(?)

[@johncincolapickleball]

Yeah, it can be a tricky thing to learn at first.

[@twhp17]

Would love to see a similar breakdown for backhand drives/ground strokes. One and two handers. How do you recommend we set up our feet? Etc. Similar to your fh drive video. Maybe also talk about differences between a two handed groundstroke vs. fast volleys at the net. What changes when you’re able to turn your shoulders versus being square to the net.

[@raymondraphael4916]

Excellent instruction for this shot !!! Thanks--and keep them coming ! Now to work on it !

[@firedog1003]

Great job breaking down the stroke mechanics. I like how the finish in the follow through puts you back at the ready position vs. a tennis stroke that is too exaggerated for pickleball

[@josefbleaux6724]

John- this is great stuff. I can't wait to get out there and work on this technique. I'm sure it's gonna be awesome. Another video you put together on drive technique was equally brilliant and is paying dividends for me.

[@JackLaney-t1f]

Love the slow motion to help pinpoint specifics. Thanks

[@bernhtp]

Good points. This is easier for those that developed a topspin backhand smash in ping pong and/or a topspin single-handed backhand in tennis.

[@johncincolapickleball]

yes

[@waynebuckelew7597]

Great example of how to do it correctly then get back to ready position!!

[@johncincolapickleball]

thank you!

[@timwalshlac]

Excellent instructional video. Exactly what I was looking for. Much appreciated 👍

[@StrongMindandBody]

Whoa cool technique--in my language it seems you are using a flicking kind of supination/pronation movement--I get stuck in using too much wrist in flicking or trying to flick a roll volley--you are super helpful. Also to help myself inhibit my natural overuse of the wrist joint--I imagine the turning of a watch face upwards (when worn on the inside of the wrist). Really got me to thinking here and so appreciate your expertise.

[@sureshshankarakrishnan9713]

Great video, thanks. This motion is like returning a serve using the backhand in table tennis. As Pickle Ball grows and has more people coming into it from other racquet sports, pickle ball technique will also grow.

[@Andy123Harris1]

Indeed. It's essentially the same action as a ping-pong topspin backhand. There's no mystery. PB paddles & balls are much more akin to TT than tennis in this regard, and especially when you're needing compact, quick shots when the game is up-close-and-personal at the kitchen line...

[@brettwwarner1]

Perfect explanation on technique for flick / roll volley… keep it going Coach Cincola!

[@MarPlaysPball]

Fantastic. The exercises really brought the technique to life. Thanks.

[@josec4790]

Great descriptive explanation. Your way of teaching is phenomenal. Thank you. I’m new to the game and would like to know when and where in the court to use a push or a roll volley

[@hectoryanez1440]

As usual...great and simple explanations. THANKS JC!

[@michaelwang8195]

Funny....I come from both tennis and tt so have been doing this (its basically a tt backhand/forehand flick). Tt shots are all about forearm. In watching many videos I thought I was doing it wrong....

[@coachmike_agapepickleball]

🙌 I am immediately implementing this technique with my students THANK YOU

[@manilah9273]

This is helpful! I usually drop step but this is better reaction timing

[@johnallred3127]

John. Superb explanation! I am trying to play exactly your style. Got a long way to go. BUt it's all magnificant

[@MichaelKada]

Great way to teach- genius! Even I might be able to learn a now.

[@johncincolapickleball]

You can do it!

[@chourouka.486]

Love the video. I am going to try this next time I play, thank you John as always for the wonderful easy to understand/apply content.

[@brucehawkinson8901]

This is a awesome breakdown. The technique used here is called chunking, which is explained in the dan coyle book, “ the little book of talent” at the 4:15 mark with the split screen you can see the loose grip and the paddle below the wrist and on the right the grip is tight and the paddle is parallel to the wrist. Also absolutely you don’t need the big follow thru like a tennis 1 handed backhand groundstroke. The one thing I wonder about is the position of the tip of the paddle pointed back at his calf. If he were standing on a clock and noon is straight ahead of him and 9 o’clock is to his left, he has the tip of the paddle pointing at about 7 o’clock. It would seem to me this would require absolute, precise, perfect timing. what do you think about simplifying it and not having to go back as far and just have it at 8:30 or 9 o’clock position?

[@michaelsangwhat]

what grip are you using for the backhand roll?

[@johncincolapickleball]

I’m usually right in between a Continental and Eastern

[@LandenD-g5w]

Relax then tighten grip! Great advice! Thank you

[@sw33tm3]

I play tennis, I have a tendency to do a full swing like in tennis. I quickly learned that pickleball is too fast paced for that full swing. I’ll try your techniques. Thank you!!

[@mariosimard903]

Merci!

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks so much Mario! 🙏

[@jeffleonard9983]

Your video are short sweet & to the point. Great content. Thank you.

[@johncincolapickleball]

Glad you like them!

[@kayw.4689]

Thanks for the tip. Easy to understand. Hope to try it soon!

[@johncincolapickleball]

You bet 👍

[@tommy--k]

Good stuff John! Makes sense! I'm trying this out!

[@paulcoletta3819]

Really like your teaching and drilling, very thoughtful. On the roll, I get it, but you didn't really mention how to apply any forward motion to the shot. If it is just rotation around forearm, then there is no forward force. I believe it would happen in a natural way, but it would have been nice to mention the aspect of forward ball movement.

[@johncincolapickleball]

It will happen naturally. There going to be a little bit of forward tilt/path to the swing without you really having to think about it. It’s not a perfect science. Just trying to get people on the right track.

[@paulcoletta3819]

@@johncincolapickleball thanks for the reply, you have a talent for getting to the right mechanics and explaining it.

[@georgemeyer4219]

I like your explaination of the roll. I personal found the back hand roll more natural but am struggling to do the forehand roll. From watching your the in game examples the backhand goes down futher then the forehand and ends pointing up. So the backhand goes from pointing down and ends pointing up, where as the forehand starts sideways and finishes on the other side (still by rolling the paddle). I was wondering if you would agree with this? Cheers.

[@SquatchyNetwork]

Well done. Trying to duplicate my back hand ‘snap’ to the forehand.

[@johncincolapickleball]

thats great!

[@davesheley2065]

Great detailed explanation, thank you John!

[@Jessouza33]

What are your spinshot setting for this set up… is the machine on baseline? I am having trouble get this shot dialed in.

[@douglasmurdoch7247]

Great video. Honestly just from watching, I feel like I’ll be able to do a roll volley next time I go out

[@1939minutes]

Great love seeing you at the us open. Great silver California Bill

[@jonsher7682]

In short, it's closer to what one does in ping pong then what one does in tennis, with one modification: Since ping pong tables are smaller, you only have time to drop your wrist to about 7 to 8 on a clock rather than to 6 before your flick and rotate your forearm. Thanks for the video. I've seen videos by others and many are really poorly done .

[@johncincolapickleball]

thank you for the insight!

[@scottpriske6793]

Another great video. Love your teaching style.

[@davidrandall701]

Excellent as always!

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks David!

[@JoeBlue415]

Just a fantastic breakdown. The bigger swing that some teach never made sense to me. I love the technique and breakdown of how and when to hit it. It seems that you shift slightly toward a backhand grip for this. Is that correct?

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks, yes for this shot since the ball is coming a bit slower usually and I have time, I’ll make minor grip switches from forehand to backhand.

[@kayvickers3023]

Your lessons are always helpful, thanks!!

[@SpicyCurryProd]

Love the efficiency approach. Will have to try this the next time I'm on the courts. I haven't videotaped myself doing roll volleys--they seem to go over pretty well, especially on the backhand side down at tape level or just below, so will see if I'm doing this. I definitely don't do the "shoulder only" big arm swing like you demo'd in the beginning. My question is this: when I'm watching you rotate the hand with your forearm, it looks like there's not a lot of "forward motion" in the paddle head. It looks almost like it's a windshield wiper. I get the ball is coming towards the paddle, but how much forward motion do you need to get the ball traveling back over the net and not just top spinning right down into the net if my paddle head is rotating in a fairly flat plane? Or as your rotate it from 6pm to 12pm, does the paddle go forward a bit as well? Thanks!

[@goodwillgal]

You make sense, John!

[@johncincolapickleball]

thank you!

[@kcarwen5262]

Love the super slow motion on these videos

[@johncincolapickleball]

Great, right?

[@joshc.6706]

So from playing tennis and training in boxing, now new pickleball this makes a ton of sense. So in the previous two I mentioned, being loose is great. However in instances you want power you’re going to be loose until right before you make contact, that’s when the tension occurs. It causes the power to go up tenfold

[@johncincolapickleball]

yes great input! it is cool to see the similarities between seemingly different sports

[@joshc.6706]

@@johncincolapickleball for sure. Also if someone is too tense, it’ll cause them to get tired way quicker. Being too tense causes the body to use so much energy and will exhaust the body. Pickleball can be exhausting enough.

[@williambennett1212]

Awesome breakdown of mechanics, as usual! Thanks! I’ll be sure to use my old wooden paddle to do the practice flipping! 😂

[@mauriceb9996]

Thorough and complete 👍

[@zowzow2006]

Another great video. You are a great instructor!

[@DinkMastery]

This is fantastic and helped me a lot. Thank you

[@SomePickleballGuy]

Mahalo! ( Thank You) You’re a great asset for the PB explosion!! 🤙🏽Brah!

[@johncincolapickleball]

Thanks my Guy 🤙

[@markkay4767]

Im learning traditional blocking tennis volleys are limited and see the roll speedup volley used is a must to initiate pressure on opponents.

[@juliepokela506]

Excellent lesson!

[@maxg5196]

This is an amazing video! Very helpful. One question I have: I noticed that my forehand got sore/tired after these rolls for a bit. What is a good exercise to build forearm strength for these rolls so that I pretty much don't have to worry about forearms getting tired during games? I imagine the answer to this could be to add weight to my paddle then do like a 100 rolls each side everyday. But this would require me to take weights on and off my paddle, which would cause the adhesive on the lead weights to wear out. Is there a paddle weight that I can use that can I easily take on and off?

[@Moty4U2]

If you wouldn't mind taking a minute to explain, I would like to see a video showing how you do this movement on the front hand shot. I noticed that you said it was the same for the front hand shot but I will understand better if I see you doing it. Thanks.

[@cqlealpha]

great clip. Pls do same analytical clips like this along with the techniques. Thanks.

[@zunigamgz]

like how you explained it thank you

[@johncincolapickleball]

Glad it was helpful!

[@jeffmorton7095]

Slow mo = 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

[@carolynmcgown4218]

Another excellent video to further my devotion to your channel! I find the forehand roll to be harder. Maybe because the inherent motion of that forearm twist/snap is more amplified when hitting a backhand? When I do that same exercise on forehand I feel like the paddle 'snaps' the wrong way. So maybe there has to be a compensation on the forehand? If so, where does that come from?

[@timtucker7798]

Are your brushing the back of the ball or the top of it? And is your paddle face angled like a topspin shot? Thx, great content!

[@carlhillier2301]

I liked the video, and I liked the breakdown. However I think it's 2 different roll shots. Your first example you exaggerated the follow through quite a bit. I think type of roll is a controlled shot using a longer segment . The roll shot you described so well is a more attacking shot using a shorter faster segment. I don't think coaches are teaching it wrong it's just 2 different shots. I'm not a coach , I do enjoy your videos . Cheers 😊

[@johncincolapickleball]

That’s the whole point, why have 2 separate shots? What can the 1st one do that the 2nd one can’t?

[@carlhillier2301]

@@johncincolapickleball just a little more control, excellent shot when taking lower dinks out of the air. Why limit yourself to one shot .Many roads to Rome 🙂 Thank for replying , really like your videos . Cheers

[@LC-pg6oy]

@@carlhillier2301 I completely agree, sometimes the drop is too good and low to really attack but if I can still volley it, I will use the less wristy, more controlled version of the roll volley

[@TheBrookes8]

Thanks for the great stuff, would you recommend this as the primary way to speed up off the bounce like the Frazier example? This is the last layer I’ve struggled to add to my game, so would love some help there attacking off the bounce better

[@johncincolapickleball]

Yeah, I would suggest it like this. It’s easier on the forehand off the bounce than backhand. You have to keep it as compact as possible because you have to expect that the initial attack will be countered and you have to be ready in time to Re-counter

[@simonlee8219]

I know you have a video on grips already, but I would have liked to see you explain and demonstrate in real time how you adjust your grip during a fire fight, or when you're up at net and have no clue where the opponent will hit

[@johncincolapickleball]

I don’t make any grip adjustments in those situations. I’ll really only make minor adjustments when the ball is coming slower.

[@mikepetrandis8525]

What makes you decide to use the roll vs a reg topspin . What technique do you use for speed ups at NVZ?

[@johncincolapickleball]

Really any time your hitting topspin whether out of the air or off the bounce, its all going to be based on a similar technique as explained here.