Hitchens: religion as the source of immorality.

Turek vs. Hitchens at VCU in Richmond, VA complete at:
www.vimeo.com/1...
Here Hitchens makes his arguments about religion as source of immorality.
At 4:01 he makes an interesting point concerning the question by the religious of "something out of nothing" drawing on the physicist Lawrence M. Krauss: if the universe is developing in a way that obscures its origins than this explains that it didn't sprung from "nothing" but is rather now in a stadium that we just cannot comprehend anything "beyond" the big bang with the data we have now.
I'm not a physicist, so feel free to correct me if I understood this wrong.

[@HowManyTimes234]

i love listening to Hitchens debate, because he didn't put his opponents down to raise himself up. He invited them to his level and then slaughtered them there until they had no choice but to crawl back to the lowly level of ignorance where they felt more comfortable.

[@SnakeWestern]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 i believe you are the stupid one.

[@MAP233224]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 "atheists hate science" might be on par with "there is a god" as one of the most idiotic sentences a human being has ever uttered.

[@krisweaver1783]

Jazzkeyboardist1 there is help available. I wish you the best.

[@richstafford1245]

The vitriol and anger that is conjured up when you question their fairy tale never stops amusing me.

[@jesusismylord1496]

Hitchens is screaming in a bad place & it's by his own pride ego & stupidity

[@ruthgiles8926]

Towering intellect and an honest and courageous man.

[@jimmy5634]

Ruth Giles courageous...Bahahahaha

[@charlesfraunhofer7893]

I picked up a flaw in logic, logic's flaw is that it uses reasoning by only allowing one to be a saint, being a saint doesn't make something true, therefore logic's not true, so Christopher Hitchens isn't telling the truth, he's only telling truths about evil, anti-illogical argument, rather than reason, which is not logical but uses logical elements. He pretends logic is valid reasoning, but with the following argument I should persuade you as to why neither Christopher Hitchens is right, nor being religion is wrong: religious people are only believing things to be true based on what's reliable, e.g. what works, it therefore follows that if the proposition is true and they believe it's true, then it's reliable, Christopher Hitchens's denial isn't a reliable process of dissuading religion, using a rationalist argument I'd say: that if A experiences evil religion and B experiences a religious concept, then B isn't deriving the concept from A's experience, therefore it's rational to be dissuaded away from believing Christopher Hitchens, and not persuaded by his arguments.

[@oltedders]

@Jazzkeyboardist1 Someone's private life is nobody's business. It's entirely different if you are arrested in an airport bathroom. Are sued in a high profile court case or outed by the paparazzi. Privacy is not cowardice. Hitchens was not a sexual revolutionary. Otherwise he would have been out and proud as a bisexual.

[@prophettoatheists8057]

You have been deceived.

[@BillyMurray-hw2vz]

He thought Jihad meant holy War 😂😂😂😂

[@SerKnightGuy]

Turek's entire "moral argument" is basically, "I would have an existential crisis if there was no god, so it must exist."

[@prophettoatheists8057]

Atheism's 2nd greatest weakness is that this belief system has no formal code of justice nor moral code.

[@helpmaboabb]

@@prophettoatheists8057 David Hume (q.v.) "all morality is enlightened self interest".

[@prophettoatheists8057]

@@helpmaboabb Unworkable. Society must have control over self interests as law and order is required to prevent chaos. So morality to DH is just a taste bud thing? Everyone just do what is "right" in one's own self interest There is no ultimate "right or wrong?"

[@helpmaboabb]

@@prophettoatheists8057 you don't u understand. Christian morality is completely unable to explain highly-developed social order among societies which never heard of god. They realised enlightened self-interest, or "do as you would be done by" led to a stable society.

[@FourDeuce01]

@@prophettoatheists8057 The greatest weakness of theism is the fact that they can’t prove any god exists. 🤡 You should learn what atheism means before you TRY to discuss it. Atheism is not a belief system.

[@herbcactus2164]

Bravo, Hitch! This is exactly why religions need to “get to them while they’re young”. Without the crippling fear instilled as youngsters, most adult versions of the same human would be able to steer themselves clear of the emotional abuse and spiritual blackmail imposed by the messianic (Western, Abrahamic) religions.

[@JFrazer4303]

There are a lot of other known dangerous things which we steer kids away from until they can know what it's about and make up their own mind. Just don't say anything against circumcision or religion being forced on kids too young to make up their own mind. You're oppressing their free religious expression.

[@andjunglepunkthirteen760]

@@JFrazer4303 Huh?

[@prophettoatheists8057]

It is because Christianity provides a formal code for justice that the Western regions thrive. Atheism"s 2nd weakness is that this belief system has no formal code of justice.

[@prophettoatheists8057]

Christianity requires freedom of the will to choose. I freely choose. Atheism offers an "escape" into an illusion and out of reality.

[@philscott3759]

​@@prophettoatheists8057I noticed that you are r3tarded. Another one....

[@valerieangell7588]

I miss you Hitch.

[@EscpdFrmPsykward]

I pray to Joe Pesci, but Hitchens is next in line. ;)

[@Tarkus2040]

I see what you did there. 😉

[@elijah8545]

"No child's behind left" 😂😂😂

[@jacobjuul954]

It is true, there are no moral restrain on us, good people do good things for sake of doign the a good thing, while a bad person must get seomthing in return for doing a good thing, like getting to heaven or paradise :)

[@prophettoatheists8057]

The atheist has the illusion that there is no moral restraint on himself. The rest of us feel differently. All people are sinners. None "good" in themselves.

[@donniecatalano]

When I was a child I didn't feel like going to church. The local nuns therefore stopped inviting my family to the village's parties and gatherings, then stopped me out of school one day, and one of them told me I was evil and I was going to burn in hell. I was 6.

[@feonor26]

That's the "love" of the religious for you

[@schmetterling4477]

You were a bright child. Good for you!

[@donniecatalano]

@@schmetterling4477 bright, I don't know, but definitely not liking the general attitude there ☺️

[@schmetterling4477]

@@donniecatalano I became an atheist at age eight in a church and during mass. It became obvious to me that all of what was happening there was bullshit. Not much to it, really. ;-)

[@iandhr1]

"Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever ’til the end of time! But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullshit story. Holy Shit!" - George Carlin

[@steakswans]

Hitch - what a legend, his clips are by far the best on youtube

[@naybobdenod]

Hitchens in full flight,brilliant. What most theists dislike about this man,is the FACT that he speaks the TRUTH.Truth prevails,enough siad

[@jeffallcock4561]

Eloquent and moving summary of unbelief and free thinking.

[@BadGuyRants]

This man is just.... WOW🖤

[@pk-fi1ok]

End of the speech. Everyone: clapping Turek:

[@geared2cre8]

This should be required educational material

[@byteresistor]

"I'm a theist, but not a believer" That's an oxymoron.

[@carlydanyel5813]

I sure wish He was still here!

[@eameece]

I don't know what nonseical is. But consciousness is beyond any understanding by mechanical material means, and so is mystical. If you explain consciousness as an object, you are merely denying it.

[@eameece]

Science can be a means to obtain objective knowledge. The ideology comes in with those who believe science can provide answers but other ways of knowing cannot. Religion as usually understood does not have testable theories, but mysticism has knowledge that is verifiable by your own experience.

[@austintacius]

@comeonfolks Perfect example of what Dennett describes as a 'use error'. The concept of 'God' exists just as the concept of 'evil' exists. What you have done is equivalent to saying, "Prove to me, scientifically, that a 'verb' exists." Hopefully you can see that no one will waste their time demonstrating scientifically the existence of a 'verb' - nor should they.

[@dhx84]

@comeonfolks Morality has and always will be a judgement about what actions bring about goods desirable to the whole of society. Don't conflate atheism with science. The point is that science determines facts and knowledge which we draw upon to inform our everyday actions. The fact of the matter is that our morality today wasn't *always* common sense. Education, not special revelation, is what advances morality.

[@CelestialWoodway]

People invent God as a proxy for goodness. People want a way to promote "goodness" and eliminate "evil" in their societies. In the past, inventing an imaginary God has been perceived to be one way to facilitate that process.

[@prophettoatheists8057]

The Intelligent God created man, Some men created gods, Some men want to be a god.

[@spideylover4105]

Watch it again.... that's not what he says.

[@eameece]

I'm a theist, but not a believer, and not an adherent of any religious text. There is correlation between religious commandments and moral (or government) laws held by society (some of which I disagree with), but I would not argue that all morals held by society come from religion. It is a source, but not the only source. Hitchens argues that it's not true that non-believers can't do moral acts. So far as I know, none of his debating partners disagrees with him on that point.

[@shruggzdastr8-facedclown]

I can't believe that it's been but a little more than seven years -- seems like yesterday when the news broke that his life had been snuffed-out by cancer.

[@eameece]

Ah, another point! God is the source of morality, whether non-believers do moral actions or not. If God is all, or created all, it does not matter if someone "believes" in God or not. It is still God who created the non-believer, and everything (s)he does, whether we like it or not, is God in action.

[@lindsayrogers6690]

Words dripped from this man’s mouth like jewels. I never saw an atheist wear a suicide vest 😉

[@chrisrautmann8936]

Marxist groups have used suicide bombings. You would think Marxists would be atheists.

[@Temptuous2112]

How did we shift to sources of political authority, when we were discussing motives for atrocities? The mentality of the typical politician, their desire is power. Democracy is a veil, Augustus will vouch for that. Love your enemy in context with scripture means not to seek vengeance only justice. Vengeance is selfish, as you said, vengeance is for what you love. "But love them, if they commit a crime against me, my loved ones, my friends? Noop, that's injustice."

[@carmelitagood3384]

I cant disagree with Mr. Hitchens.

[@raminybhatti5740]

One of the things I liked about Hitchens is his simple use of English. He had the intelligence to regurgitate a dictionary whenever he spoke, but he chose not to, instead allowing himself to be understood in the frankest manner possible.

[@ianalan4367]

It was also prudent on his part.

[@notreallydavid]

True. In his tremendous essay 'Politics and the English Language' (easily found online), Orwell insists that unclear speech or writing is a reliable indicator that the author is unclear in their thinking or has something to hide. Hitchens demanded lucidity of himself at all times, and this is one of the many reasons to admire him.

[@willytheriot8439]

I’m with you Christopher

[@eameece]

Yes; nowhere did I mention ghosts. Not that I deny them... Once you acknowledge that you are conscious, you can create a proof for "God" based on that fact.

[@JackKangaroo1]

Has there ever been a war in which at least one side of the dueling parties believed they had divine guidance on their side? I doubt it. During both World Wars the German infantry even had the words "Got Mit Uns" [God with Us] etched onto their military issued belt buckles. And the Allies were busy singing, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition."

[@andreaandrewmilne]

Dear Temptuout2112, Thanks for the comment, but did u read what I said, or what Hitchins said much more eloquently? It's a factual claim, that religious or quasi-religious belief (ie personality cults & totalitarianism) permits its holders to accept or engage in what otherwise would be patently immoral acts. Let's start from a period of reliable historical records (classical Athens, late Roman Republic?). Or we can try modern European history, the Renaissance onwards. You're call. x andrea

[@eameece]

@Murdulo I did not invoke the name of faith. None of what you say is proof that consciousness is an object. How can you say you can drive a car with your mind, when you deny the existence of the mind?

[@Dafariii]

I love the crowd's expressions :D

[@andreaandrewmilne]

How did we shift to sources of political authority, when we were discussing motives for atrocities? Do you say political allegiance can motivate people to great crimes? True. Do I need to set out political personality cults that descended into the semi-divine? Hitler, Stalin, Kim Jong-Il, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Napoloean, Augustus Caesar. You said "love your enemy". Maybe I misunderstood your meaning. To overlook criminal actions on the basis of affection is tempting but unjust. x andrea

[@eameece]

Jesus said, know the truth and you will be free (or at least I think he said that; or someone did; anyway it's appropo). There's no distinction. The point for someone truly "mid-way" is that "truth" and "reason" is not found only in science, or religion, but through all 4 main paths to knowledge.

[@Pe6ek]

Even as a rational nonbeliever, I would be shit scared to be opposing this man in a debate.

[@curtcoller3632]

No - it's not founded on a "lie" it's founded on political power. If I said after abandoning religion we may abandon misleading laws, you may call me an Anarchist, but I'm a realist with good "faith" and no sense of superstition. I reject wishful thinking, used by leaders to gain power. Please watch "Oh God" and notice "that's ... what I am talking about."

[@mattfoley99]

@callofduty497 And to clarify I'm not an atheist. I'm an agnostic with Atheistic Leanings. Though I prefer to describe myself as a skeptical thinker and inquirer.

[@Temptuous2112]

In my statement I said I was offended. I also stated why I was offended. Not because of what he says or what he believes...

[@eameece]

I have felt that the increase in the expansion of the universe, against the expectations of Newtonian mechanics, should give pause for believers in those mechanics. It might even imply something more is going on than the momentum from a physical explosion. AND, SO WHAT if someday we won't be able to see the big bang? How is that a poor design? His problem is not seeing that by the time these things happen, we'll be so spiritually advanced that they won't affect us.

[@Temptuous2112]

I agree, but the definition is not mine it is yours.

[@eameece]

@Murdulo That is your faith in science. I don't choose to share it. There is no proof science will ever reduce consciousness to objects. Philosophically, it is already disproven. Remember, Socrates had a daemon who inspired him, and went to the oracle at Delphi.

[@MegaAluchi]

After Mr. Hitchens passed away, who is similar to him from the same school of thoughts now? Thanks

[@jasonnesmith6518]

Sam Harris and Richard Dawkins are worth reading/hearing.

[@MegaAluchi]

@@jasonnesmith6518 any book recommendations? I also came across Michael Shermer and L. Krauss Thanks

[@utopian2222]

Its simple another critical thinking non religious Brit 'Douglas Murray'

[@ianalan4367]

Mr. Dawkins and that Matt Delahanti guy are similar in the way they present a straw man argument if that’s what your looking for. I certainly wouldn’t recommend buying what they sell but they play the same game as Hitchens. Not quite as clever and witty but not too bad either.

[@Pervyable]

@GuyThreepwoody The point is such prohibitions would have formed naturally based on neccessity of living in a social environment with other humans. Legal murder and plunder has a tendency to impede on societal growth, and the very existence of such a state of affairs in the first place. Perhaps religion was neccessary at one time for such a state of affairs, but the point atheists make is that it no longer is, and that now in fact it impedes on moral progress more than it helps it along.

[@Temptuous2112]

Anyone who says someone is an immediate hypocrite, is an immediate hypocrite. See I can make generalizations too.

[@eameece]

@lfzadra If consciousness is still a mystery, then you can't say that neuroscience has explained it. Non-mechanical realities are experienced realities, not inventions.

[@eameece]

@coreygames Yeah, something like that!

[@yamaha893]

watch the whole thing in the spirit of fairness. turek loses badly, bu be honest.

[@lfzadra]

@eameece We know gravity exists outside our brains because our consciousness have less than 1 million years, and the Universe is way older than this. No gravity, no planets, no life. How can somenthing that must preceed consciousness can be the product of it is something that you have to show in order to validate your reasoning.

[@eameece]

@lfzadra You seem to care a lot whether I or others believe in God or NOT. Hitchens sure does.But Ify, do you think there is a cause for anything?

[@ciaochowbella]

@callofduty497 There can be no "atheistic definition" of anything as atheism is not a belief system. It's a lack of belief in deity with no other implications. Atheists can be moral or immoral, humane or inhumane, kind or cruel. There is no standard to live up to or live down.

[@bennygarcia7786]

Religion is running out of time, people are finally realizing what B's religion really is

[@DarthVaderfr]

That's for Christianity, fortunately, but islam is still growing, as for the menace to democracy

[@tedgrant2]

How could anybody disagree with these points. Does God exist ? God knows.

[@byteresistor]

Not a really good answer at all no matter who said it, sounds something a wannabe intellectual would say and thinks it's something very clever (although I know Carl Jung but like I said doesn't matter who said it, everyone can say stupid things). Knowledge requires something much more than faith. Can you guess what it is?

[@mobiustrip1400]

The greatest orator since Ingersoll

[@eameece]

Hitchens is crying foul because Turec said wicked things about atheist materialists. Quite amazing, given how many wicked things Hitchens says about religious people.

[@mattfoley99]

@callofduty497 and that golden rule is so eloquently put by Mr. Wilde as " Selfishness is not living as one wishes to live, it is asking others to live as one wishes to live". Also a bit of logic. if one says God placed MOrals there then you are stating I assume an objective fact. And therefore are able to test, scientifically whether or not this is valid. if you can't prove or disprove it the question is non-falsifiable. So for all intents purposes in relation to the problem..god is nonexistant

[@anthonysettee2313]

Maybe, we are all the supreme being? and there is no God?

[@Appocratesthegreat]

There is no supreme being, there is no god. To assume there has to be either is delusional. There may be some sort of being which humans, as we currently are, would see as 'supreme' but it would be only an alien being which came to exist through the same processes as ourselves.

[@tedl7538]

Either way you frame it, the concept is still a fairy tale.

[@mattfoley99]

@callofduty497 Well Not even Christianity is Consistent with itself..and that's why I said NOT ALL Atheists are HSs. I never claimed any kind of consistency. Nor Did I say atheism was moral...But who says a faith or lack of faith GIVES Morals. Altruism and Morals have been shown to be adaptive. Who says there HAS TO BE standards. I'm not living up to some unknown invisible measuring stick. And that reason you mention: Its the age old Golden rule with a mix of optimism.

[@adolthitler]

Why is the bible edited so? Further evidence of animals feeling pity, google dog saves kitten from fire. There are also many cases of cross species adoption.

[@fantasy0coach]

'from the archbishop of canterbury to even lower people' very apt.

[@pedrolopez-torrestubbs7569]

So funny!!!

[@freddinkelberg775]

I feel like I should always have a dictionary with me when I listen to Hitchens

[@elizabethpettigrew4382]

fred dinkelberg I've learned so much in the first 3 months listening let alone the last 3 years and I actually did this when listening to him 😂💯

[@ravens80854]

That's why he's so good, such knowledge and articulation. A brilliant man indeed.

[@shiskeyoffles]

Then you should have the whole library when listening to Sam Harris vs Jordan Peterson debates

[@pastycayk1998]

@@shiskeyoffles Are you serious...? We at least need a library in every language for this amazing man.

[@jandrews6254]

How pleasing it is to hear of someone who is willing to learn and enrich his mind through the spark of this man’s intellect, and who acknowledges that he needs to do so

[@marlaleemouse]

What an incredible mind...what an incredible man. He will always be my champion.

[@mavis3916]

Don't you have family or friends?

[@renupathak4442]

Christopher Hitchenson never fails to convince me. His thoughts are so well articulated. His words so well chosen, so appropriate and rings with such honesty. I love this man. We are so blessed to have had him walk this earth.

[@trafyknits9222]

Seems the only thing he didn't convince you of is how to spell his last name. 😦

[@Thormp1]

ATHEISM IS LIBERATING AND EMPOWERING... I'm so glad, I am no longer a brainwashed irrationalist, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY I AM NOT ALONE. Grow Atheist Community, Grow!!

[@cryformeharder5891]

Most religion is literally interpeted for you by people who want to force their views on you in which case they dare not even care to explain their views, rather they toss the word faith at you so you can then be walked like the dumbass dog they want you to be. Because literally they hate themselves and their life. Sorry but that's just how I see it all breaking down.

[@cryformeharder5891]

Not that I don't look at Feminism the same way. If you recall the Bible was used to justify anything and everything back in the so called civil war years. That book is about mind enslavement. Not about knowledge. They would rather see you locked up then actually find your way on this planet. People are literally kaniving pieces of shit. Remember that.

[@tashacrawford770]

❤️

[@basilphillips3887]

Atheism is no different from religion..it is just another belief..drop any form of belief and experience TRUE FREEDOM

[@tashacrawford770]

basil phillips Being an Atheism is not the same as an religion. It doesn’t claim to know things. Religious believe there is a god and says it knows things it clearly can’t know. An atheist isn’t an belief. It’s just saying you don’t think there is a god. Religion claims to know things, has dogma. It’s just saying I’m not going to believe in something that there is no good reason to believe in it.

[@albertjackson9236]

Like Alpert Einstein said in his "God letter": All religions are the incarnation of the most childish superstition.

[@braindamage2285]

*Albert

[@prophettoatheists8057]

So Albert Einstein did not know everything.

[@prophettoatheists8057]

So Albert is human and is wrong. Atheism is build on an illusion.

[@galaxybrain9928]

@@prophettoatheists8057 Would you mind explaining how atheism is built on an illusion?

[@patrickoneill7070]

Thank you for quoting that it's nice to see that even a genius like Albert Einstein can say stupid jackass things from time to time

[@laydieelle7069]

I don't know if they ever met, but I have a feeling Hitchens would be tearing into Jordan Peterson, if he were still alive.

[@frakasha24]

He got away by the skin of his teeth, I would've loved to see him get Hitch slapped.

[@NinjaCrazy87]

To even compare them in the same breath is itself a disgrace.

[@user-xd4sk4pk7h]

Hitchens Is immeasurably more intelligent

[@davidcunningham9282]

I imagine if he were alive they would be pitted against each other in the same way that peterson and harris have. Hitch would have completely exposed him for the utter sham he is

[@jameshenderson9830]

Jordan Peterson is on a different intellectual level that really tries to find the truth. I think Hitchens, while not fully agree, but appreciate the intellectual honesty and thought process Peterson would exhibit. I believe they both would have come away with a new dimension of thought to ponder and debate. Just my take.

[@Datmosphere]

I come back to listen to Hitchens from time to time. I miss him, his mind and charisma and humor. What a shame he is not with us anymore.

[@2l84me8]

But he left us with a lot to think about and consider. His wisdom will stand the test of time because we’re still watching and commenting today.

[@MCsCreations]

I miss him as well. And you can check it out: the world started to go to hell (figuratively) when he passed.

[@LuisHernandez-km5uz]

Instead of praying for someone to convert, they should ask, why is god ignoring the prayers of innocent children being raped and murdered... Is that part of his divine plan!?. Pfft.

[@DarthVaderfr]

They justify that, cause the reward of an eternal life can justify any atrocity

[@jwstorey173]

I miss Christopher, one of the few humans with a lick of common sense 🥲

[@Tinseltopia]

That last statement, wow. That might be the greatest speech against religion I've ever heard

[@prophettoatheists8057]

If you could hear him now, he might be giving the greatest speech for Christianity.

[@patrickoneill7070]

@MAD GRUMPYMAN what do you mean that his ass is stunted like is it really tiny or is there no fat on it and it's just like the bone also that sounds like a disability I think it's really messed up that if somebody says something you don't like you make fun of their disability and one last question and this is the question that frightens me most of all how do you know so much about this person's ass

[@jeremyncrm2012]

@@prophettoatheists8057 give it up, your religion is bullshit and you know it.

[@holuenoch]

@@prophettoatheists8057 Why would he do that?

[@AlcibiadesMD]

To be 100% sincere here I've given up on praying to Joe Pesci long ago. Been praying to Hitchens for many years now.

[@gertrudemcfuzz74]

Alcibiades What about the lady who tells you your fortune by squeezing the goat’s testicles? Is she involved too?

[@AlcibiadesMD]

Yes, Kitty, she is definitely involved, she is my wife.

[@gertrudemcfuzz74]

Alcibiades Good to hear it. I myself have been reading The Three Little Pigs, Little Red Riding Hood, and Humpty Dumpty for moral and spiritual advice.

[@AlcibiadesMD]

Thank You for a great laugh, Kitty.

[@The-Real-Honest-Truth]

im sure we can get along even tho I personally am however a sun worshipper. you should try it....and perhaps become a sun worshipper overnight

[@mchlbk]

Hitchens was a great man and a true humanitarian.

[@johnking5174]

2:46 - Oh Christopher how we miss you when you said things like this. Just brilliant.

[@FedExpress66]

Ordered to love someone whom you also must fear... Right, seems legit.

[@deoliveiradamien7192]

Love + Fear = Respect. Not defending religion, simply stating the obvious.

[@sreekargunda3915]

De Oliveira Damien can’t disagree with that

[@razer0072073]

@@sreekargunda3915 What if you're in awe?

[@feonor26]

​@@deoliveiradamien7192Love + fear = masocasicm. Respect is earned and does not live in the realm of fear.

[@EscpdFrmPsykward]

And drunk. Very very drunk. And yet, completely correct ALL the time. It's really amazing, isn't it?

[@charlesfraunhofer7893]

He's not completely correct, conformity even to Christopher Hitchens is the aversion of self-reliance. He's believing what a great many people believe, but it's not true, Jesus was born of a virgin, Force= mass x acceleration, it's a scientific fact, as medicine is a science, it's a medical issue rather than a matter of persuasion by logic, therefore religion is true, but it's a truth nobody believes except the believer. I say not to trifle with the gods, Lucifer's the light, pure utter atheism, is blasphemy, what I can say about God is that the Biblical God isn't reliable, isn't true, and is perfectly evil, the Supreme Being, well done, but that doesn't mean I can be irreligious and expect to find truth in that, antitheism isn't antireligion, it's an irreligion, just as you can be religious and an atheist. It's the Catholic church which we need to reject, contemplative religious institutions that are doing nothing positive for the community, and education denied of priests, anticlericalism is more valid an argument than antireligion. I can't be persuaded by Christopher Hitchens just from his saying so, I have evidence to back up religious belief.

[@lindsayrogers6690]

EscpdFrmPsykward I have to think extremely hard to name an interesting man who does not drink 🤔

[@prophettoatheists8057]

Are you drunk?

[@michaeloconnor2603]

He is the only man I relate to when you need to liberate your mind...so right...religion is the greatest fuck up in our lives...be gentle,generous and kind and you don't any lunatic from the so called Heavens telling you how to live your life...Hitch you are missed.

[@CelestialWoodway]

Truth does not demand belief. Scientists do not join hands every Sunday, singing, "yes, gravity is real! I will have faith! I will be strong! I believe in my heart that what goes up, up, up must come down, down. down. Amen!" If they did, we would think they were pretty insecure about it.

[@Adrian_Nel]

god, I miss him. Yes, that's deliberate irony.

[@briancolson3808]

Republicans who claim Hitchens is one of them have NO idea who the man was!

[@theyamo7219]

If anything, Hitch was a moderate.

[@oneputtsteven]

He loathed the Clintons(Deserved or undeserved), supported W the Lesser and his Iraq war(A BIG MISTAKE) . He really didn't like Obama all that much either. He mocked women as being "unfunny". It's hard to put a political label on Mr. Hitchens and although Iove the man's intellect and stand against religion and for science so of his videos and opinions have not aged very well. We should keep a healthy perspective on all historical figures.

[@theyamo7219]

Steven S Loathing the Clintons doesn't automatically make one a CONSERVATIVE idiot. You ever hear of NON-PARTISANS/INDIVIDUALISTS

[@quinbrady]

"...after the 11 September attacks he no longer regarded himself as a socialist and his political thinking became largely dominated by the issue of defending civilization from terrorists and against the totalitarian regimes that protect them. Hitchens nonetheless continued to identify as a Marxist, endorsing the materialist conception of history, but believed that Karl Marx had underestimated the revolutionary nature"of capitalismwww.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/04/the-revenge-of-karl-marx/307317/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/oH_EeahuitN4qpI

[@prophettoatheists8057]

I thought Hitchens was British?

[@johnkerr1113]

Am I alone in thinking turek reminds me of a 2nd car salesman.... slick and slimey and anything goes as long as the objective is to convince everyone of his delusions... full of BS delivered with confidence...

[@ajh4663]

Hitchens will be revered in centuries to come! He’s absolutely 100% correct!

[@domy2584]

Ok God “you resurrected Jesus” for the ‘good’ of mankind. Something something something, Spanish Inquisitions, world war 1, II, final solution, something something something 911, COVID 19. Mankind needs Hitchens for his wisdom and poetic verbose. It is now or never God and No , we will not accept a zombie version of Hitchens.

[@matimus100]

Fight this bullying superstition! Where are they in COVID!?? Shame on them!

[@randypagan]

Those who feel they need the threat of eternal torment and torture to keep them moral need to be locked up for their own (and the worlds) good.

[@29008000]

7:05 "It is a wonderful thing that we now have enough information, enough intelligence, and I hope enough intellectual and moral courage to say that this ghastly proposition is founded on a lie and to celebrate that fact."🎉

[@JFrazer4303]

"But muh faith!"

[@razer0072073]

I'm a non practising muslim and what he says makes sense and it makes me doubt my religion but still have that fear of hell at the back of my brain

[@twosheds1749]

Forget Hell, it is made up by the controlling human inventors of religion to get you scared so you obey them. It is complete nonsense. Break out of it, be free!

[@RikerLovesWorf]

Hell is just an imaginary haunted house designed to get you to give 10% of your money to a mosque to fund murderers and other nasty people.

[@DarthVaderfr]

Hell was thought exactly for that purpose, to make people feel hesitant to leave their religion But think about that, if god is all benevolent than he wouldn't torture you forever, if god exist and he will torture you forever for having left his cult of dementia and absolute wickedness than you will have just shown real integrity in the face of the most unjust totalitarian regime that ever existed Beside god probably doesn't exist so dont bother, it was invented by humans to keep control in to others and it's shown in the brutality and in the lack of morality thay speaks through religion

[@feonor26]

I did too and it kept me holding on to Christianity for many years. It is NOT true. It is a man made idea to control you.

[@Fritz999]

All one needs to do, is to read the entire bible to recognize that fact. An immoral god and immoral clerics can never lead to moral results.

[@patrickdavies5185]

Well reasoned yet not condescending. A gentleman and a scholar. What a rare point of enlightenment; his life, logic and wit. My sincere hope is that his memory and philosophy will continue on. We have lost an inspiration.

[@miklosroth1560]

What a brilliant man!

[@notreallydavid]

Does the suicide bombing community have a Facebook page and a support group?

[@patbrennan6572]

If there is a god I hope it's Hitchens, he sounds very nice and the other gods are all pricks.

[@burnhippiesforfuel]

"some even lower"

[@MCsCreations]

A dude in the sky who watches us while we get Fed. (Calm down, people, I'm talking about taxes.)

[@havenbastion]

Simpler than that, the major problem with religions isn't in how they're interpreted, but in that they must be, and always are in relation to current sociopolitical trends which bear no particular relation to morality.