Why Don't Tottenham Win Anything?

[@Brian_nld]

Spurs fans look at the benefits, at least we got a HITC documentary and secondly it wasn’t a ‘What on earth is going on at Tottenham Hotspur’ 😊😊 (Add that to the trophy cabinet)

[@RastaMouse29]

Loser club with a loser fan base

[@prodsxzu]

that’s gonna look so nice alongside our audi cup 😁 (i am so depressed)

[@metalbobted]

Probs not a "what on earth is going on" because at this point we're used to it 😂

[@Brian_nld]

@@metalbobted good point actually 😅

[@indianastones6032]

Great

[@joachimhovgaardramlau3064]

Video Idea: Top 7 Promising Seasons which ended in disaster

[@goblincomic4522]

MAn Utd took at least 3 slot

[@joachimhovgaardramlau3064]

@@goblincomic4522 which seasons?

[@hakc97again]

@@joachimhovgaardramlau3064 2021-22 and this current one

[@chlcrk]

Bayer Leverkusen going from looking on for a treble in April 2002 to losing everything must be a contender

[@The10diamond]

Arsenal and Chelsea share 07/08 together 😊

[@calumbishop7082]

The most baffling decision to this day was sacking Mourinho days before the League Cup final. They basically sacrificed an opportunity to end their trophy drought for stupid reasons. They should of waited until after the final to decide Mourinho fate, had they lost, then sack him, had they won, keep him around for a few more months at least to see if there is an improvement in League form off the back of the Trophy win. What they did was one of the worst choices they could of made.

[@sie4431]

They sacrificed Mourinho to end their trophy drought

[@r4h4al]

They still could have just won the game without Mourinho. It didn't all rest on whether Mourinho was there or not.

[@sie4431]

@@r4h4al Is say it rested on Mourhinho not being there

[@duyanhng8430]

@@r4h4alsacking a manager, justified or not, created a strange atmosphere in the dressing room. which could’t possibly have helped their chances

[@benlane7282]

@@r4h4aldo you not think having the manager who is a serial trophy winner to pick the team, tactics and control the game would have been preferable as opposed to Ryan Mason who had never managed a game in his life when spurs were already the underdogs?

[@BOABModels]

I was talking to a Wigan fan the other day (myself a Pompey fan) and we both agreed that we wouldn't swap our respective FA Cup wins and subsequent relegations for remaining in the top flight. Both clubs have been in serious trouble since those days but the high of winning the FA cup couldn't be forgotten.

[@InternetVegetable8541]

Spurs have won the FA Cup 8 times & have never played in the 3rd tier of English football in their entire history as a professional club. Despite the memes & banter I'd still rather be in their position as opposed to Wigan's or Portsmouth's

[@raquille1]

Spurs have won the FA cup 8 times lolz. I’d take winning the fa cup 8 times over winning it once and getting relegated.

[@Galstaf]

Pompey and Wigan both went into administration recently, I wonder if at that time you had asked the same question you would have got the same response. It was by no means certain that either club would exist, although being fairly well supported concerns, it was of course likely that someone would come in with a rescue bid after ditching the vast majority of the debt. I wonder if those creditors too would have swapped those FA cup successes for their money back? Very easy with the benefit of hindsight to hark back to better times, safe in the knowledge that administration would end up being a mere inconvenience.

[@georgygeorgiev8882]

​@InternetVegetable8541 ​@raquille1 you guys definitely did not understand the comment. He didn't say he'd swap Tottenham's entire history for Wigan's/Portsmout's. Just the 1 cup win for the 10-15 years in the top flight

[@georgygeorgiev8882]

@@Galstaf Of course, it's just a thought exercise. Why are you taking it so seriously? It doesn't need to be set in reality. It's just a comparison between 1 trophy and 10 years in the top flight, winning nothing.

[@F1Krazy]

6:40 Just to emphasize your point about Spurs' "Big Five" status in the early 90s: when they won the 1991 FA Cup, they actually set the record for the most FA Cup victories (8). That tally has since been beaten by Arsenal and Manchester United, equalled by Liverpool and Chelsea (who had only won it ONCE before 1991), and Manchester City are only one win behind them.

[@mza5817]

Also the FA Cup was as prestigious as the league back then.

[@beno1129]

@@mza5817 True. I think that domestic cups no longer have the same weight in modern football than they did in earlier decades. Now they are a bit of a distraction to teams pursuing European places. Personally, I think that the FA and league cups should be limited to premier league teams that finished outside the top 7 the previous season.

[@InternetVegetable8541]

Also came off the back of a decade where Spurs had won back to back FA Cups and a UEFA cup, had finished in the top 3 three times in ’85, '87 and '90 (in 86/87 Spurs were seriously challenging for a domestic treble) & had just broken the british record transfer fee to buy Paul Gascoigne. Spurs were definitely amongst the elite clubs of England at this point.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

Spurs were the first English club to win in Europe, the first club to do the League/Cup double, the only club to ever win the FA Cup as a Non-League team. We are one of the most storied clubs in world Football. But we just forgot to how win anything...

[@RW-nr6bh]

​@@bipolarminddroppingsThe Non-League FA Cup win is a bit of a quirk of history, but nonetheless Spurs were once very successful, especially in the FA Cup as you say. I remember that fateful FA Cup final in which Gazza recklessly injured himself so badly. If anyone had said then that by now Spurs wouldn't have added to their Cup wins again nobody would have believed it.

[@owenthfc9055]

Saying it was Poch who made us a consistent top 6 club is not only false, but also incredibly disrespectful to Harry Redknapp. It was Redknapp who took us from the relegation zone to Champions League qualification in not even 18 months (also our first ever time qualifying for the UCL). From that point on we finished top 5 every year under Redknapp.

[@archstanton6102]

Big 6 not top 6, there is a huge difference. Newcastle and Leicester have consistently finished in top 6 in the league in recent years but are not part of the big 6.

[@reborndiajack9612]

newcastle have finished in the top 8 once since their promotion, and only due to oil money. consistent means acting or done in the same way over time, especially so as to be fair or accurate.@@archstanton6102

[@afckajjansi]

@@archstanton6102 newcastle are bigger than city and spurs

[@archstanton6102]

@@afckajjansi Mate, I am from Newcastle, grew up watching them and was a season ticket holder for 8 years. We are not bigger than City. We haven't won a domestic trophy since 1955. Be realistic.

[@InternetVegetable8541]

@@afckajjansi Were you alive when Newcastle last won a trophy?

[@bzilla-d4i]

Klinsmann on loan from Sampdoria makes you realise how hard they fell, there was a time when Sampdoria had the likes of Vialli, Mancini, Gullit, Pagliuca, Mannini, Pari, Vierchowod, Mihajlovic, Carboni, Briegel, Toninho, Jugovic, Atillo Lombardo, Montella and Angelo Palombo. How far they've fallen. Even they have won a European trophy more recently than Tottenham.

[@bigwarok]

Ok but Tottenham have won a European trophy more recently than Arsenal

[@thetruth4654]

@@bigwaroki mean duh, Arsenal have never done it

[@kristian33]

@@bigwaroklarge Assna hater, but that’s not actually true

[@clarenceonyekwere5428]

On one hand, italian football as a whole fell, Sampdoria fell within it as well. Also talent was a bit more spread out back then than it is today. Just do the same for Fiorentina, Parma etc.

[@bzilla-d4i]

@@clarenceonyekwere5428 yep, very true, in the case of Parma, Napoli and Fiorentina it was financial mismanagement though. All 3 of them went into administration.

[@acaerA1F]

I actually admire their ability to get to the stage where they are now very organically. It takes great players and little bit of fortune to be consistently successful, Spurs are well placed to do so with a manager for the long term, signing promising players like Vuskovic and Bergvall and growing revenue each year. The time for winning will come eventually.

[@MriyaVR]

I could not have said it better myself. I personally think that if Postecoglou is backed and that he stays for a long term, Tottenham will eventually go on a crazy silverware streak. We have to remember that nothing stays the same forever, and that nature absolutely loves change. Spurs' trophy drought will not go unrewarded. -A delusional but not so delusional Spurs supporter.

[@heijimikata7181]

@@MriyaVR I agree. As Guardiola is set to depart Man City sometime later, chances for other clubs will come around.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Basically we are the anti-Man City, joined the “big 6” at the same time as them, and had to build sustainably, and you can see just how hard that is

[@Gooner184]

@@MriyaVR You most definitely are delusional. A trophy in the near future? Sure, I can see that. A "crazy silverware streak"? Highly improbable.

[@marcusosborne9184]

​@@Duval-In-The-Wallcould still have won more trophies dosent have to be prem or champions league

[@lokinorsea456]

It really is mentality. And I think we’re seeing it now with Kane at Bayern. He’s said how it’s “different” in Bayern…how losing even one game is a “big deal”. But *thats* how you win titles. In the words of Mourinho “When you start accepting defeats just because your team plays well…big clubs stop being big clubs” and Tottenham just never reached that mentality

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Bayern are going to lose the one trophy they’ve guaranteed for more than a decade

[@stilgar2007]

I agree. It seems like the entire organization, from the top management to the players, is striving to be competitive, instead of winning every game, every season. I think that was what Antonio Conte was referencing in his final meltdown.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

@@stilgar2007 I don’t get how that really gets fixed tbh, especially with Conte, who started losing more games than he won, so by that standard he 100% should have been sacked

[@lokinorsea456]

@@Duval-In-The-Wall but how do you fix the mentality of an entire club? And then they fire you for even acknowledging such a problem? Conte wasn’t even backed, Levy tightened up bc of his precious stadium, while also wasting time on players he thought were bargains (they weren’t) that apparently Conte did not even want at the time; Udogie, Richarlison, Bissouma barely even got minutes

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

@@lokinorsea456 Conte got like £250m to spend lol Again, everyone knew the problem at Spurs, his job was to FIX it, he wasn’t given £15m a year to whine and complain Honestly the only way you advance in modern football is by long-term thinking and building a base of talent for the future, getting sharper as time goes on. Liverpool did it with Klopp, Arsenal with Arteta. Without a fuckton of money that’s the only way forward Conte had no commitment, no results, and turned the entire club into a toxic mess. Without Kane he’s have steered us to bottom half

[@sonofskeletor33]

Spurs - much like Liverpool in some respects, and Everton too - had the worst sense of timing when it came to the dawning of the Premier League era. If the Premier League had begun in the 1980s, the notion of 'The Big Five/Six' would be more recognised for the fluid idea that it always was. Instead of Man Utd and Chelsea, you'd have had Everton and Forest. Tottenham also had a poor sense of timing in regards to their renaissance in that it happened just as Man City were being super-charged financially. All clubs found it hard enough to compete during the 'Sky Four' era, Man City joining and quickly surpassing that group just made it all the more difficult. Under the 'bad luck' ledger, I think 2016-17 stands out. A points tally of 86 would have covered the vast majority of 1990s Premier League winning teams - for instance, Mad Utd won the title in 1997 with 75 points and a G/D of nearly half Spurs' effort in 2016/17. And they didn't just win the league that year, they won it by a clear seven points ahead of Newcastle. Arsenal won the league the following season with 78 points, Utd won it in their treble year with 79 points. Becoming English champions is more difficult now than it has ever been, Leicester City's miracle notwithstanding. Part of Spurs' fans gripes with ownership is that they didn't capitalise on momentum at the time and finance a couple of signings when Poch had the team purring. The stadium move, while ultimately beneficial, probably happened at the worst possible time too in a football sense - again, that poor sense of timing. The 2019 CL Final was also one of those days when you knew that it wasn't in the stars. Having a marginal penalty awarded against you in the opening minutes of the game really sucks the air out of the occasion.

[@helicoptersrkool]

Leicester City and Blackburn Rovers were able to win the league and a domestic cup, they aren't oil clubs and have been in far less cup finals than tottenham. Stop making excuses for perrenial failure.

[@sonofskeletor33]

@@helicoptersrkool Blackburn won the league when they were close to the biggest spenders, but rage on. My observation was broad. If you can point to a particular year or competition that Spurs 'ought' to have won, but 'choked', I'm all ears.

[@zhilong]

No the seed is Levy.

[@hearme1484]

@@sonofskeletor33 He cant, hes just another one of those brainless haters that woolwich generated.

[@WilliamGarrow]

​@@helicoptersrkoolBlackburn Rovers were accused of buying the title back then. They were the original plastic club.

[@a.s.2611]

Honestly as a spurs fan i can truly say that getting a whole video from hitc 7 dedicated to us is a trophy in its own right...and thats the depressing part.

[@zhilong]

How is that a shock to you? Levy doesn’t invest in football and sack the managers who can’t win for him under his cheap way. I have stoped buying anything from Spurs as long as Levy is around.

[@Nicksta2006]

Class video, I was fearing the worst but it basically explains where we have actually come from and how we are in a better place to challenge in the future. We’ve organically become one of the supposed big 6 and as a fan who has seen relegation battles in my lifetime I’m looking forward to see what can be achieved in the future

[@fredlonsdale3020]

On the one hand you have to respect how organically those Spurs teams of the late 2010's were built. On the other, you have to agree that Tottenham are only considered a "Big Club" because they play in a super modern stadium in London and make a ton of money. Being a money-making football club in one of the (if not THE) financial centers of Europe and having a major rivalry with Arsenal that is now competitive in the wealthiest league in the world really can't be overstated from a revenue generating standpoint. But you don't get a trophy for finishing top 4 and that's certainly more of a priority for Levy and ENIC. Problem is that I think that type of mentality permeates through the club culture and by extension the playing squad. Look at Real Madrid; if they make it to the Champions League Final everyone (including them) knows they'll win because, well it's Real Madrid and it's the Champions League. I think that lack of winning mentality and a culture of profits over trophies is more to blame for Spurs not winning anything than bad luck or poor timing.

[@TobyElmendorf]

The Answer: Its fucking hard to win things and a lot of luck/being fortunate goes into winning, especially in tournaments

[@Liam-zu3yz]

No the answer is because they are a dog shit team always have been. And Daniel levy is a clown

[@MatheusFernandes-xf4zm]

An Easy Tournament: Conference League

[@Thomas-zs5wt]

​@@MatheusFernandes-xf4zmeven i hate that and we got knocked out because of covid hardly our fault

[@jordnchn7907]

@@Thomas-zs5wt you legit just verified what the first guy said...

[@Thomas-zs5wt]

@@jordnchn7907 yeah ok your point is, im allowed to say my opinion

[@Luka..14]

Plain and simple. We've got an ownership handicap. Our owners have done the maths and worked it all out, that as a return on their investmant, aiming to actually win the trophies is not a better financial return for them than just being in the mix .

[@LordDisneyland]

Aka "The Levy Philosophy"

[@zhilong]

So cheap and they sack the managers who can’t win under his cheap way.

[@Lyralikesit]

Cause they ruined any chance of beating the curse when they fired the guy that got the closest to earning them titles... Mourinho

[@yourmum955]

They fired the most disgraceful Portuguese manager they've had and that's saying something. Absolute fraud.

[@thomaskeane5723]

I have the curse of being both a Pittsburgh Pirates and Spurs fan. Both of which are run as organizations the same way - Make The Money, first, second and always! Winning titles is well down the goal list. Daniel Levy = Bob Nutting.

[@indianastones6032]

F**k! The struggle is real for ya and ya still with us, so respect due!

[@jackzeldon2883]

You must a Masochist brotha..... when I was a kid Chelsea were a shite show but my family moved to the States - to Philadelphia PA & back then all 4 of their Pro Sports teams made the Championship of their League in the Same season (NFL, NBA, MLB & NHL) but I remember the other big city in that state Pittsburgh had a Champion NFL team & MLB team in the Steelers & Pirates & I LUV'd those Pirates teams - We Are Family theme song w/ Dave Parker & Willie Stargel - 2 Huge Left handed Power Hitters!

[@coyotelong4349]

Haha I have the curse of being both a Phoenix Suns and Tottenham fan 2 teams that are remarkably similar in having a lot of success, but not winning titles

[@nateypoo]

I feel the same way being a Spurs fan and an Anaheim Ducks fan in the NHL.

[@notieming]

I can't believe anyone who watched the video can be against levy lmao

[@jack1906]

Was annoyed at first when I saw this, but you did an excellent job with putting everything into context. It makes no sense to me that when Man City, 🎉the richest club in the world, put their tickets up 5% this week ,nobody even said a word about it. But Spurs put up their tickets for the first time in 5 years and everyone loses their shit. Not that agree with the horrific high ticket prices,I don't. As you said many clubs in the PL have long trophy droughts, but generally they deflect that fact by mocking Spurs. Not that we should be happy that we've lost so many finals and semi finals, but they were mostly lost to better teams with higher wage bills and more transfer spending. Now there is a chance to break that cycle with the young exciting players at the club, with top talents like Bergvall and Vulsovic to still arrive. Hopefully Levy and the board stick the landing by finishing the squad with some top class additions next summer.

[@jackzeldon2883]

Ownership is Everything in Football & unless they are willing to buy high priced Stars the club is not winning any Trophies...... this is why I'm shocked we have so many brainless younger Chelsea supporters who fell for the con artistry of the crooks who recently captured our club & sold these dummies the dream that we're going to buy 2 dozen 18 y/o's & they're all going to grow together & dominate the League in 7 yrs - which of course is Never going to happen.... in fact, we've got a much better chance to be relegated than win any Silverware under current ownership

[@Gooner184]

Who is this 'everyone'? No one gave a shit about Spurs prices outside of Spurs fans. Just like no one cared about Arsenal raising their prices outside of Arsenal fans, obviously. Why would they?

[@jack1906]

@@Gooner184 there was media coverage from all the big TV and radio companies, debating about it.

[@Luka..14]

Very good video, thank you.. If this has been the Levy plan all along and that he has now put the club in the position to be realistic possible winners of the big trophies, then its safe to assume that we will see evidence of this in next summer's transfer window. From here on in, there can be no excuses to not build a squad that can possibly win every competition that Spurs are in.

[@2JOfficial]

Is there a reason the background music is at 0000.0001% the volume of your voice? I only noticed there was music when you stopped talking for a second

[@BloodRider1914]

Better than it being distracting

[@twinheadedwendigo]

didnt even know there was music until i read this lol

[@brianduru3753]

I'm sorry mate, but what kind of comment is this? Are you here for the music or what he has to say?

[@liamhartley2300]

Very very simply and succinctly put in the video. The club isn't there to win trophies. Its there to make money for Enic. That's all. Look at the lack of investment when Pochs team needed one or two players to really challenge. And net transfer spend is low. We also fail to pull the trigger on players like Fernandes who we were linked with for ages. Lost coint of the amount of targets we fail to buy and bigger clubs swoop in and take them. There js also the "jam for tomorrow" transfer policy. Jed Spence and Bryan Gil anyone? We buy four or five players at 15 to 20m and hope one sticks who we then sell for massive money a la Bale. We sold Kane. Not replaced. We should have had a replacement lined up. Ee never had any intention of replacing him. Can you imagine a big club doing that I cant. I repeat. The club is merely a business. Its not run to win things. Simple as that. A per the videos initial synopsis.

[@chlcrk]

I'm a Newcastle supporter. We make Spurs' trophy drought look like an oasis of titles. Though we do seem to beat them quite frequently, weirdly

[@indianastones6032]

We beat man city a lot but it still gets us nowhere

[@Ctrlonbush]

you recently got hammered 4-1 to spurs lmfao

[@chlcrk]

@@Ctrlonbush I didn't say we beat them every time, and indeed, last time we very much didn't. But I think in the Premier League era they're one of the teams we've beaten the most often

[@InternetVegetable8541]

@@chlcrk Spurs have taken a few heavy defeats from Newcastle in the Premier League era, there was the debacle last season, the 5-1 after we lost the title chase to Leicester & I remember a 7-1 in the late 90s..

[@chlcrk]

@@InternetVegetable8541 I remember a 4-1 away win for the Toon in 2008 at the old WHL, the game at WHL in 2013 where Tim Krul saved everything, beating Spurs home and away in that bizarre 2015/16 season where we went down while Spurs came 3rd and were one of Leicester's nearest challengers and Joelinton's first goal (and for much of that season, only goal) being a winner at the new Spurs stadium in 2019. So there's been a few results in our favour

[@chrissyboy2338]

May we have a Coventry City video before the FA Cup Semi Finals?

[@ablebodied175]

From the future here, Coventry deserved that win more than any team I've ever watched recently.

[@sEaNoYeAh]

​@@ablebodied175 and conversely I've never seen a team so undeserving of victory as Man Utd that day.

[@jakethasnake32]

As a big Spurs fan and HITC Sevens fan, I’ve been waiting for you to tackle a Spurs video for years now. Like almost all your videos, I think you did a great job Alfie. Thank you for all the quality content.

[@Jefflurr_]

I'd love to see the second Spurs video that you wanted to make but didnt have time for

[@bostvik]

Brilliantly put together, some very interesting points raised and stats quoted - a spurs fan.

[@DomenBremecXCVI]

It's strange. While running a club the way they do is frowned upon by many fans, it's kinda amazing what a club can do just with time and luck.

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

It’s weird, because people hate the way Man City is run, buying everything, while also clowning on Spurs who do the opposite

[@MrJ1GS4W]

So Tottenham is the English version of Cruz azul. Even “Spursy”and “cruzazulear” are a one to one translation lmao

[@KYFPM21]

Portugal with "Sportingar" for Sporting Club Portugal

[@jphzazueta]

At least Cruz Azul finally won the league a few years ago and at some point also the CONCACAF Champions Cup

[@allendugas1246]

As a spurs fan, loved this video! Hopefuuly good things to come

[@angelamichael8390]

u LOVED this VIDEO??? woww this showed the LOSER MENTALITY of DI TOTTENHAM fans and CLUB. DIZ IZ DA IZTORY OF DI TOTTENHAM. r u guys not ASHAMED?

[@zhilong]

Not with levy in charge.

[@KJthoughts]

One of the best and that is some statement given the quality of your output. I would be very reassured if I was a Spurs fan

[@imperialsandwich3695]

I know I am 😊

[@luxlisbontoo]

Definitely make the part 2 of the video Alfie.

[@manning0]

There's some great use of images in this episode. I particularly like the '12 man' Manchester United champions League team photo and Wayne Bridge consoling an upset John Terry.

[@dimmiandreus392]

As a Football Manager player a love seeing perfectly run club like Tottenham. I appreciate it as a form of art.

[@handsomemcwonderful]

I’m so glad I’m subbed to your personal channel, I love zero content it has!

[@willdobson7351]

This will be on sale on BluRay and DVD in the club shop by Monday morning.

[@indianastones6032]

Ive reserved a copy fir when its released

[@detectivesquirrel2621]

Tottenham's misfortune and bad luck has been a long running joke. They even made it as a line in a Chas & Dave song with the now classic and unfortunately accurate "Tottenham Hotspur couldn't get one in". I say this as a lifelong Spurs fan

[@zhilong]

It’s Levy, not misfortune, he doesn’t invest in football, not wining is logical, not luck.

[@tahahadada1936]

When Jose got sacked right before the final I knew the reason for spurs eternal drought is the owners .

[@zhilong]

Yup, Levy will win nothing in football, just rich.

[@gerjerry99]

Aside from the (genuinely humorous) jokes we all make about Spurs not winning everything, or Spurs fans themselves agonising about it, see how their record since around 2009 or 2010 has been so solid otherwise: Multiple Champions League knockout stages A Champions League final appearance(2019) 14 of the past 18 seasons - top six finishes (as mentioned in the video) Harnessed some of the best players of different positions in our generation - whether it be Kane, Bale, Son, Lloris, Eriksen, Vertonghen and Alderweireld Surely fans of let's say Everton, West Ham, Aston Villa and Wolves must be quite envious of that. Or for that matter Wigan and Swansea too, they may have won a trophy each in 2013 but look where they are now compared to Spurs...

[@matthewhernandez8342]

West Ham did win the UEFA Conference League last year. They’ve won a European trophy more recently than Tottenham.

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

Turned into late--wenger era Aresenal minus the F.A cups. Great.

[@InternetVegetable8541]

​@@matthewhernandez8342 It's only taken West Ham their entire history to win the same amount of European trophies as Arsenal 😂

[@BeBe-vh4ry]

@@matthewhernandez8342 Conference league is tin pot. You know for a fact if spurs won that the memes would just increase.

[@wendybendy8247]

spurs have 0 trophies since 2008 😂​@@InternetVegetable8541

[@rezarfar]

To be fair, when it comes to consolidating your financial position for future success, Tottenham has really been the most successful club in the Premier league. I say this as an Arsenal fan.

[@jacobwallach9987]

I will never understand why they sacked jose mourinho right before a cup final

[@SirAntoniousBlock]

It's Spurs.......

[@doubleplusdanny]

Pay out to Mourinho

[@yourmum955]

Because he's a wanker and should've been sacked ages before. Levy just realised that in the very very slim chance he won that final it'd be harder to sack him. Silly timing as it should've been done after that disgrace of a showing in Zagreb but absolutely the right decision.

[@juicysushi]

He had torched his relationship with everyone so much that they honestly felt they had a better chance without him just because of the mood boost.

[@raetekusu1]

In the words of a wise Italian man, "Is de history of de Tottenham..."

[@francolive5718]

In the modern era only Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal and Man United ever win trophies. There's been odd exceptions such as Leicester, Swansea and Wigan. But those teams dominate finals and trophies. Has to be down to mentality, they got rid of Mourinho just before the league cup final which says it all. I would also argue lots of mid table teams could really go for it in the cups but just field weaker teams. The executive decision has been made to preserve top flight status over a cup run which is sad. Would you remember that season when you finished 14th and won nothing or 18th, went down and won the FA Cup.

[@jordancrichlow2429]

Great video Alfie as always 💯

[@cinemattis]

Arsenal has only won ONE (proper) European title; the Cup Winners´Cup in 1994. The Fair Cities/Inter-cities Fairs Cup trophy the won in 1969/70 wasn´t an UEFA competition. It was organised and ran by "some FIFA executives". Initially a cup competition only open to cities that hosted trade fairs, but from 1964 they invited teams according to their league position. It is well worth noting the following: While the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup is generally considered to be the to the UEFA Cup, it was by UEFA and ran under different regulations; consequently, the confederation .

[@thecockerel86]

It's also important to remember that Spurs fought near bankruptcy for most of the '90s, right after the Premier League was formed. This set the club back a great deal and it took up to the mid noughties to put the club back to a safe financial footing.

[@Urlocallordandsavior]

Kat Lucas, a Spurs journalist, made a good point on the podcast Football Travel by Outside Write in that you have to compare Spurs with teams like Aston Villa and Everton instead of Chelsea and Manchester City on terms of lesser revenue and historical significance. As an American Spurs fan, I think it's better to support a team that can match its football results with its financial revenue; you might win the league one season and get relegated the other (look at Leicester). Appreciate the insightful video Alfie. P.S. It'll certainly be nice to see Ange becoming the first Spurs manager to spend a full season in the Spurs dugout since Pochettino in 18/19.

[@MedicMain9]

*Brazil has their own Tottenham* Meet SC Internacional, a once great football club that hasn't won anything of importance since 2010! They had a brief winning spree from 2006 (when they managed to beat Ronaldinho's Barcelona in the FIFA World Championship) to 2010. After those 5 magical years, SC Internacional failed to win at all. They managed to somehow lose every important match. They also settled for 2nd place several times and lost 2 major decision on home soil when everyone assumed they'd get an easy win. It's been 15 years of shame, pain and overall embarrassment for their fans. I'm one of them. And I had to watch our arch-nemesis, Grêmio, bring both national and international trophies home while my team got demoted the second division for the first time since its inception. We got booted out of the Libertadores by Fluminense, a then average team with ZERO international trophies to their name. This year things are looking dire. Our team failed to win the local cup (it's been 8 years without a title) and barely survived through the group stage of the Sudamericana (LATAM's Europa League). We have one the best teams in LATAM and only lost 2-3 matches yet failed to impress anyone. SC is infamously known as a "Paraguayan Horse", which means it is always running as the favorite but ultimately wins nothing, always finishing in second place. So yeah, I feel for the Spurs fans out there. God knows we have suffered a thousand years worth of punishment already. But what we lack in trophies we more than make up for in passion. Ours trophies will come on Thoroughbred's back. *TL;DR* SC Internacional 🤝 Tottenham Getting stuck on a never-ending choke cycle

[@innisfreeTF2]

Thanks for sharing, that was interesting, hope things turn around soon

[@matthewcoombs3282]

Speaking as a non Spurs fan, I have to say there is plenty to be positive about. A well run club with a large supporter base, and a fabulous new stadium. Try being a fan of Reading FC with a disinterested owner responsible for the liquididation of a club in Belgium and Thailand. They may not exist next season.

[@pauldavies661]

Excellent as usual. I knew Birmingham City would get several mentions in here as well as their own recent HITC special about why the fans are so happy despite relegation.

[@ErinStephanie-mf2qk]

When Spurs last won the FA Cup in 1991, they arguably won it, in one of the last seasons, it was a big deal for all clubs, from top to bottom. Eight years later, Manchester United thought the FA Cup was that valuable, they withdrew from the competition to participate in a Club World Cup. And the FA Cup has been on the backfoot, ever since. When Spurs last won the UEFA Cup in 1984, the competition was almost on a par with the then European Cup - with more high calibre clubs in the competition. Spurs were never a ‘league winning club’, they were a cup winning club. A similar club to Chelsea in the years leading up to the Abramovich takeover. The FA Cup and UEFA Cup were the two competitions they looked to for silverware. Not even the League Cup was taken as seriously - a competition that didn’t increase on stature, until English clubs were banned from Europe in the late 80s, and top clubs needed to hype it up to recoup lost revenue. Both the FA Cup and UEFA Cup are highly devalued now. Especially as you get a CL spot for finishing 4th, now possibly 5th. Not for winning the FA Cup. Moreover the Europa League, is now a glorified qualification competition for the Champions League itself. It’s the European Super League Championship division,. Tottenham are now a club content qualifying for the UCL. That’s now their raison d’etre. Even if that means winning no silverware. There was always a risk that once the UCL was reformed to include four clubs in 1999, a club like Spurs would have happened. And if it wasn’t Spurs, it would be a similar sized club like Everton or Villa.

[@_Ali.]

So what you’re saying is Spurs devalued these competitions by winning them 😂

[@John_Smith_101]

Man. United didn't withdraw, the FA took them out, because the FA has the arrogant stance that a club representing England and Europe in the Club World Cup isn't worth accommodating one or two matches from that club in the cups. Just ask Liverpool about it, as well.

[@PHDiaz-vv7yo]

This is probably more articulately put than I could try. I’m from the eighties so it was all about the FA Cup for me. We have never been marathon runners - more cup sprinters when it mattered. It no longer matters. We need to reinvent ourselves as marathon runners and that could happen based on financial foundations and a change in mentality

[@InternetVegetable8541]

@@_Ali. “devalued“ trophies are the only trophies Arsenal seems to win. - They won the Fairs Cup just before it got replaced by the UEFA Cup/Europa League. - They won the Cup Winners Cup at a time when the final was being played in half empty stadiums & only a few seasons before it was scrapped entirely. - Arsenal only started winning the FA cup more regularly when teams no longer cared about it. When clubs like Portsmouth, Wigan, Cardiff, Stoke & Hull City were getting to FA Cup finals - they last won the league when their closest rivals were starting players like Eric Djemba-Djemba & David Bellion, Liverpool were nowhere to be seen & Chelsea still had Ranieri as manager. Arsenal are like the grim reaper of trophies. Anytime they win something, that trophy is either about to die or the competition is laughably weak.

[@Mallrat8391]

@@John_Smith_101 exactly. It was never going to be a popular decision but utd's hand's were kind of tied at the time. England were bidding for the 2006 World Cup at the time, and the Government and FA advised the club to go to the World Club Championship (or whatever it's called) as it may help their bid with FIFA, as skipping it or sending across a very weak squad filled with youth players and some backup squad players wouldn't please FIFA. So when the FA gave Utd the option of just skipping the FA cup that year, it made the most sense. As Ferguson was quoted as saying at the time (taken from an article on the Independant website : "We had to think of the situation regarding England hosting the World Cup," Ferguson said. "No one wants to see them not get it. I dare not think of the criticism we would have received if we had refused. That was unthinkable - and that's a Scotsman talking." What makes it worse though is that England didn't win the World Cup bid and it went to Germany so Utd playing in that tournament meant fuck all in the end lol

[@Magna_pinna]

Thanks Alfie. As a spurs fan. Your research for your videos always impresses me. And that is as someone who works in research!

[@NeroPiroman]

Wigan currently in the third tier has won more major trophys then spurs in the last 15 years

[@jack1906]

People love making up nonsense stats that mean nothing.

[@InternetVegetable8541]

Spurs have won 25 major trophies & have never been relegated to the 3rd tier. Ever. Pick your struggle.

[@sie4431]

Just goes to show how overrrated trophies are

[@forzaacmilan36]

@@InternetVegetable8541Bruh, is that something to really brag about? Never been relegated to the third tier?

[@InternetVegetable8541]

@@forzaacmilan36 Well it's something that Manchester City & Aston Villa can't brag about. 1 major trophy in your history & 3rd division football, or 26 trophies & never played lower than tier 2 & never been relegated from tier 1 in the last 45 years? Can Milan even claim the last one?

[@jamesmazer6907]

One mildly positive HITC sevens video, you'll never sing that

[@salazar7223]

Daniel levy got a 100million world record out of selling bale and managed to win nothing in 11 years. That's a flex

[@AlexOjideagu2]

Only in the Premier League era have Spurs not been successful. 2 Leagues, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 Cup winners cup, 8 FA Cups, 5 League Cups. They were always called a cup team.

[@LibertepourlesIranienset-kh3ur]

This sounds pretty painful because I am Iranian, and I have been watching Tottenham Hotspurs. Yet their performance resembles more of our country's miserable record. Alfie, when will you make a video about Iran's decades of football failure since 1979? We just could not go further in World Cup and Asian Cup despite our status as an Asian powerhouse and World Cup participant.

[@mattyctill]

Being a London club automatically doubles your size in the eyes of the media. Just look at West Ham.

[@Spursfan8147]

I know I’m 5 months late but reason why tottenham haven’t even won a trophy is because Danny levy can’t manage the managers It sounds stupid but he can’t promise the manager a good player or a good budget Look at man United, although the glazers are horrible they still give the budget to get some trophies , same can’t be said about Chelsea though, champions of europe 3 years ago and in the conference league But levy doesn’t do any backing for ange, he gets a good season and then becomes small club after that, barely to no improvements It is like ea but I hope we get a good owner with good money

[@flywire76]

I’m looking forward to part 2.

[@vanhamlin]

As an American Spurs fan... This was not the greatest thumbnail to open KZbin to... But I love all your content Alfie!

[@StarLord1996]

Well I just left this video with a massive amount of respect towards Tottenham

[@maxiehilaire686]

lol, why? theyre shit

[@brettfuller8317]

Fantastic video, however I can't help but point out the error in the grammar of the title. It should be "Why Doesn't Tottenham Win Anything?" As Tottenham is a singular object (in this case: a single team), you would use "doesn't" instead of "don't" when referring to it. Yes, there are multiple players in Tottenham, however the organization itself is singular, not plural.

[@kmdreacts]

As a Spurs fan of 30yrs, seeing my team lift Two trophies in my lifetime, there's a few things, but, the Main reason is: Daniel Levy. He requires nothing from the players and manager other than "just get top 4". He's even been quoted saying trophies aren't that important but being at the top of European football is.. The irony in that line. 2nd, the washed up soft boiled bellied fanbase we have. Years and years of seeing the same thing like Groundhog day, but our fanbase will Always say: "Wait till the summer/winter, I'm sure we'll get the players we need", and every summer, we don't. We'll turn down the likes of Bruno Fernandes and buy Gedson Fernandes and sell him 1yr later because they wete 4th or 5th choice and because they were cheap or free transfer. 3rd are the no guts, hate playing under pressure, same excuse every time, players we hold onto for Far too long.

[@fRANKiEb0NES999]

Best…. Thumbnail…. Eveeeerrrr!!!!

[@ygrbooks]

Another entertaining and brilliant analysis - thank you so much: 👍👌👏!

[@StefanWB]

This may be a hot take, but I think we're much closer to Chelsea losing their big six status than a lot of people think, and Spurs are in an excellent position to keep their big six status even when Newcastle make the jump. And the reason is simple: that stadium. Spurs did a very good piece of business financing the stadium via low-interest, long-term loans, and they're already reaping rewards via other events as Alfie mentioned in the video. Chelsea, by comparison, have squeezed every drop of value out of Stamford Bridge that they can, and their ability to compete in terms of matchday revenue with the other top clubs is simply down to absurdly high ticket prices, which are only sustainable if they continue to compete for trophies and finish in the top four. That is by no means a guarantee for the foreseeable future, and the long-term contracts that they are on the hook for could end up preventing them from being able to sell players on when they need to cut wages to meet future PSR figures. Spurs have so far been cautious when it comes to spending, but their long term prospects are much rosier due to their matchday income which is only projected to climb. And even if Chelsea think they're close to finding a new site for a stadium that can keep up with the competition, the new economic reality makes that very difficult. The post-2008 freeze in interest rates was an excellent time to re-finance or re-develop your stadium, and Spurs just managed to get their business handled before the 2022 squeeze and rise in interest rates. Chelsea are much more likely to end up in a situation similar to Arsenal, who had to arrange financing for the Emirates only a couple of years before the 2008 crash, where their new stadium bills cripple their ability to keep pace with the rest of the pack. Boehly and his consortium have deep pockets, but financing a stadium will make things so much more difficult, but they also cannot afford to stay at Stamford Bridge and will struggle to justify the ticket prices if they continue to finish outside of the European places. It's a tough spot to be. Honestly the best chance I see for Chelsea to keep their position is for the Premier League, UEFA, and the U.K. government to decide to drop the ban hammer on Man City. And hard.

[@username-mf4mu]

lets be real here tbh big 6 clubs have their moments tbh sure arsenal finished mid table 2 years in a row out of champions league football for almost 8 chelsea have more money too but you could be right if they get done for like ffp or something

[@RaduIosif]

As a Liverpool fan, I feel like that 86-point season is never given any credit. Most people don't view any non-individual achievements that are not trophies as achievements at all and would chalk Spurs not winning the PL in 2017 down to Spurs being "bottlers". Yes, the Mourinho sacking was inexplicable, to the point where it felt like Levy DIDN'T WANT to win a trophy, but Spurs have been on the up steadily for the past 15 years or so, (they did peak in 2017, yes, but they didn't come and go like other teams) and with the new stadium and Ange, who I rate, there is a lot to look forward to for Spurs fans.

[@maciejbala477]

yeah, because everyone is hyperfixated on trophies. The UCL Final run should also get more credit, even despite the contentious Llorente handball call and just luck

[@britpackdog4545]

Tottenhams ground is pretty nice, you can do another one of these in a decade

[@Jaxymann]

As a Spurs fan, yes the lack of formal silverware is a source of constant heckling from other teams, but I’m always mindful that it could always be a LOT worse: We’re a solidly upper-tier club who compete at the highest levels of the English game. We’re not at risk of relegation out of the Premier League, or dissolution like less fortunate clubs. We have one of the largest stadiums around. We can attract big name players to come to us through significant pulling power. And the Levy Administration might be annoyingly austere and penny pinching at times, but they’ve allowed Tottenham to grow as a club without the pitfalls of a grossly inflated wage structure like Man United & Chelsea, or becoming dependent on the cashflow of dubious sportswashing owners like Man City. Despite the lack of success measured in trophies and titles, Tottenham are a secure and well-run club enjoying good times, and it behooves us fans to appreciate that things are much worse for fans of other teams jn England and the world who don’t enjoy the same cushy conditions as we do.

[@nealrigga6969]

Maybe Spurs should intentionally relegate themselves so they can at least win the championship 😭

[@mnm5165]

Mate they wouldn’t even win that

[@tombo416]

@@mnm5165knowing Spurs they would get promoted in second 😂so they wouldn’t even win the title or playoff trophy

[@BOABModels]

Not a bad plan. Since being relegated from the Premier League in 2010 (and then twice more) Portsmouth have won League 2 and the EFL trophy. Currently first in League 1 now so might win that too!

[@primevanchis]

Eyy spurs have the Audi cup

[@chlcrk]

Newcastle have won it twice in the last 15 years and yet when I bring it up I get told it doesn't count

[@MichaelBrandon-cp8jq]

22:10: AAAAGH! That's not Gary Neville, that's a ghoul pulling off Gary Neville's face.

[@masterplokoon8803]

Ronaldo:" I won 5 champions leagues and the 2 first major trophies in my country's history" Messi:" I won the world cup" Gareth Bale:" I won a trophy with Spurs" Ronaldo and Messi:" 😨

[@xrayalien112]

Loved the video!

[@Nickph98]

Liverpool are the most decorated English club, not Manchester United

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

4-3 on ur tinpot club lil bro + ur just 1 trophy ahead, hardly the most decorated

[@kobe2kallday]

​@@BigSmokeMUFCoh so you forgot the 7-0 now huh

[@AvatarN]

​@@BigSmokeMUFCcongratulations on your "we beat Liverpool 4-3 in the FA Cup" trophy

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

@@kobe2kallday living over a past result, just accept ur quadruple is *G-O-N-E*

[@BigSmokeMUFC]

@@AvatarN copium

[@salsa_blanco]

As a Spurs fan I love this video, 36min explaining how Tottenham being in their current position shouldn't be possible. In football history, Nottingham, Leeds, or Newcastle should be better... and it's a club that doesn't go out buy their success like Chelsea or Man City

[@rjw4762]

Although my club - Forest is much smaller - I imagine most Tottenham fans would trade our last 50 years for their own (?). Forest ; Champions of England - 1, Champions of Europe - 2 - League Cup - 4, European Super Cup - 1 ......in that time, Spurs have won 1 UEFA Cup, 3 FA cups and 2 League Cups. Of course, Spurs is a much bigger club......but we have our memories !!

[@yourmum955]

I couldn't give less of a fuck I wasn't alive for any of that

[@miloherdale1711]

Like the new push to subscribe to the second channel, the bouncing heart has pushed me over the line and I've finally joined the 20 odd thousand others.

[@chancesareshewears]

well, Jimmy Greaves and the boys won my heart when I was 10..1967 the year... No regrets,

[@victorian-dad]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@victorian-dad]

The Bahamas or Tottenham - Wow that's a tough one!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@victorian-dad]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@muneebahmad4378]

The video we've all have been waiting for....

[@nonnayoubuzinnes1669]

It isn't that hard to figure out. The only teams who have won things since Spurs last won something in 2008? Are the ones who have half a billion pound net spends (MC, MU, Arsenal, Chelsea) or have a good manager (Liverpool). Spurs haven't spent as much and can't attract elite managers. Of course the exception is Leicester who came from nowhere with great recruitment.

[@anirudha4176]

They should've taken cup competitions more seriously during 2016-2019 period, they had their best squad in the last 40-50 years during that period but have nothing to show for. Even Leicester have a league and an FA Cup.

[@mrfoofoo69]

If England / Gareth Southgate can continue to be praised for "making it far" then Spurs can surely also take some credit for regularly making finals too. Update : okay I made my comment before I saw Alfie make exactly the same comparison 😅

[@sEaNoYeAh]

It's a bogus comparison though. There are so few opportunities to win an international trophy, and so much fortune goes into concerning form and fitness of players, and no one has control over one's pool of players. There's no selling the unneeded and signing to fill a key gap. With that in mind getting e.g top 4 in the World Cup is an achievement worth celebrating and remembering in a way that top 4 in the league isn't (barring a team punching hugely above their weight).

[@archielingard]

Still find it mad that the teams that left for the super league never faced any sanctions

[@justarand0mm]

Even ange himself has said that their main goal is 4th position in premier league, they're not even trying to go for the title

[@hulkboifanki]

stop spreading lies, mate. he literally bashed the idea that we're just chasing top 4. he said his aim is to build a squad that can challenge for the title and UCl. hater much?😂

[@wavavoom]

He never said that, he was asked is it a win if they finish fourth. He said "fourth is not a win". Ange's mentality is never close enough is good enough, he's a manager who always goes for the crown, will never play defensive or play to draw, it's always go for the kill. Look at Celtic (in champions league against Barcelona) or Australia in the world cup.

[@justarand0mm]

@@hulkboifanki wdym hater, i've been spurs fan for years and it's too late to hate because spurs have been like this for so long so idk wdym "hater much"

[@rfvtgbzhn]

Do others also see a pink background at the graphs at 25:49-26:57?

[@patrickwilliams6143]

Football in North London just works. Arsenal for the glory, Spurs for the memes. The world in perfect balance.

[@eavyeavy2864]

Go lower and pick Blue one for european pedigree

[@richardconte3837]

Chelsea had no pedigree before the stolen money, everybody knows they are tainted like city

[@dylanlingham7296]

There are plenty of Arsenal memes in recent years. Even last year.

[@Stewberto]

18:25 On behalf of all the real Tottenham supporters, we’d all all take that option. 10yrs+ of UCL football but haven’t ever signed a Marquee player to galvanise the squad speaks volumes🗣️.

[@alvesh129]

Tl;dr: they're tottenham

[@wouterv.d.6580]

Thanks Alfie!!! Great analysis🙌

[@mrsomeone846]

Genuine question, are Tottenham the smallest “big” club or the biggest mid-level club? In the context of top flight football of course.

[@atrlawes98]

Sort of both. Really the Premier League is “the big 5” then Spurs then the other 14 in terms of overall success. The weird thing is that we seem to have a lower ceiling but higher floor than some of the other top 6 clubs.

[@EmpressTouch]

@@atrlawes98 & @mrsomeone846: Tottenham built a stadium that warrants the Champions' League Final stage. Others would've too - had they worked together, rather than against one-another...

[@CptGrogged]

Great video. Only comment, Daniel is not a life long Spurs fan, he has been proven to have lied about visiting Spurs as a kid

[@yatman6305]

As an Arsenal fan, only by seeing the title I knew I'm in for a treat ❤

[@Clem_Fandango11]

George Graham won them a trophy and a week before the FAC semi final v Arsenal they sacked him. One of those managers who always found a way to win. Reckon they may have beaten Arsenal.

[@SometimesCompitent]

Chelsea's inability to move out of SB is going to cause major pain. Tottenham is way ahead of the curve on the new stadium. Handled it way better than Arsenal/Emirates as well.

[@fangdog291]

Don't even place spurs in the same sentence as arsenal.

[@richardconte3837]

Arsenal are european minnows

[@jamesjones4651]

This is a nonsense comparison, If Arsenal had moved into the Emirates at the same time that spurs moved into the Armitage Shanks, they wouldn't have needed to sing younger players a pay lower wages in the late Wenger era to fund it since the EPL money is astronomical compared to 2001 (when the process to move started). The money would've been there from the time of planning due to the revenue.

[@davidpyott3710]

Fascinating as always 👍👍

[@lllordllloyd]

Long time Arsenal fan here, just finding out about that unbeaten season (7:35). I can't believe nobody has mentioned this.

[@Blaze-2457]

What unbeaten season u got knocked out of 3 cup competitions😂😂😂

[@Gunnerman49.]

​@@Blaze-2457 unbeaten in the LEAGUE genius

[@HaramXL]

Unbeaten season? I think you'll find that was Preston North End

[@Gunnerman49.]

@@HaramXL and the mighty GUNNERS

[@hahahadavidfisher]

I havent skipped the ad yet but as a Spurs fan, i knew this day would come. The next 36 minutes are gonna suck worse than the 2019 Spurs team played in the final of the Champs league

[@imperialsandwich3695]

Is that sentiment still there after the video champ 🙂 - spurs fan

[@hahahadavidfisher]

Too much Levy love for my liking 🤣

[@walker63163]

Football fans aren’t known for being reasonable, that is a given. But even by the low standards of reason that exist within football, Spurs seems to be an exception in itself that they just say. You’re big, win something or you’re shite. I’m a Spurs fan and so I know all about this and it just seems so fickle

[@valentinvoinea2411]

Great piece of work mate!

[@silvesta5027]

The primary reason Spurs never won anything under Poch's golden era at the club was a lack of investment EXACTLY when they needed it most. The timing of the new Spurs stadium was so unfortunate and possibly the most spursy event in recent memory. Back in 16/17 Spurs had an incredible first xi. They went undefeated at White Hart Lane and got a historic 86 points in the league. All they needed was squad depth and they could make a genuine title challenge. However, as Spurs stood on the precipice of success, THAT was the moment Levy and co decided to build a new stadium. As a result, Spurs went 2 transfer windows without buying a player and over the next couple years that incredible core of players gradually declined or left the club, never achieving the success they deserved. In a way, it's the perfect analogy of Levy's leadership. Trading short-term success for a stadium that will grant them strong revenue in the long-term

[@yourmum955]

Well they'd been wanting to build the stadium for years and that was when they could. The construction of the stadium actually started in 2015 apparently so I highly doubt Levy and Lewis could have envisioned that they'd have an incredible team waiting to be capitalised on just 2 years later when the project is very much underway.

[@silvesta5027]

@@yourmum955 Oh yeah of course. But what I’m saying is the timing was just so, SO unfortunate for that group of players

[@oj397]

City did not sign up, they were against as early as possible and just included in a draft of the hypothetical teams, now tucking in for a great vid Alfie.