HoL 23 Jan 1985 Earl of Stockton

[@Ingens_Scherz]

Far beyond mere politics, this is, quite simply, a beautiful lecture about the socioeconomic history of Britain in the context of the American Century, delivered by the last of the true British "Statesmen". More than just historically, this is precious.

[@petertopping8200]

The sweep of history referenced in this speech is staggering

[@coljaxparliament1290]

A corrected recording of this proceeding - apologises for the faulty recording previously uploaded.

[@Mr1930s]

Thank you

[@rickythe2nd63]

Thank you very much indeed!

[@Nekrosmas]

Thank you!

[@johnmcfadyen1260]

And without notes too. What a fantastic speech and indeed a most consummate parliamentarian. His type is much missed.

[@rebuntile]

Good to see the Earl of Stockton again, a great PM and someone who was a great representative for stockton in both houses and has left his mark on our community for sure

[@NPA1001]

This man resigned from office as PM in 1963 as he thought he had been diagnosed with a terminal illness… this speech was in 1985.. quite remarkable

[@rebuntile]

2:55 see a young John Major behind the bar of the house

[@ajs41]

Is that Renee Short with the dark glasses?

[@rebuntile]

@@ajs41 i believe so!

[@liamb8644]

@@ajs41 Elaine Kellett-Bowman.

[@geecee310]

Great spot. Looks like Leon Brittan in front of him, leaning on the bar.

[@Daisy-yq1gi]

Compare the wisdom and gravitas of Macmillan compared with the political pygmies currently fallimg the UK....

[@insertclevername4123]

As an American, I'm almost biologically required to be skeptical of unelected houses (and trained by years of hard experience in my country to want to limit the powers of geriatric politicians), but wow, if you need to have an unelected house filled with old politicians, people like Macmillan are the exact kinds of Lords you want in there giving their perspectives. Wonderful speech.

[@Ingens_Scherz]

The House of Lords isn't unelected (although it was still, partially, back in '85). Now, the people elect the government, and the government they elect appoints the new Lord and Baronesses as a reward to extraordinary people for services to the country. Not perfect, to be sure - a bit chaotic, in fact - most un-American! - but organic, approved of in general by the British body-politic - and certainly creative. That's my apology and rationalisation for it anyway! (Not sure I totally believe it, actually - but maybe that's the point ;)

[@insertclevername4123]

@@Ingens_Scherz Unfortunately, at this point in our history, just about any government practice being described as un-American sounds like a compliment (and "imperfect" and "chaotic" are UN-American? We could only wish to have government that was only a BIT chaotic, since we can't even have an election without a significant portion of the populace trying to burn the country down for the insurance money).

[@3replybiz]

@@Ingens_Scherz The HOL is still completely unelected. The members are appointed. The differece since 1999 is that members with hereditary titles can attend but they are not allowed to vote. New members are nominated and the appointments commission not the government processes these. The membership of the HOL these days is a lot younger, with many more women than seen in 1985.

[@robertclive491]

Maybe 'as an American' you should refrain from giving your opinion.

[@douglaseyre1277]

Where ARE the statesmen with gravitas today - in any political party?

[@PaulBurgin]

Have you spotted John Major among the MP's standing nearby! 2:55

[@mided2119]

This is brilliant. Thanks so much for this @coljax Parliament. Are you able to source any footage of Tony Blair talking at the despatch box in the House of Commons whilst he was Shadow Employment Secretary (1989-1992) or whilst he was Shadow Home Secretary (1992-1994)? I would love to watch even just one speech he gave during either of those periods. Many thanks for all these videos, as a political and also a Parliament junky, I love them!

[@smokydoke1]

seconding this, but for Gordon Brown pre-Prime Minister

[@mided2119]

@@smokydoke1 When Brown was Shadow Trade & Industry Secretary would be good.

[@smokydoke1]

@@mided2119 kzbin.info/www/bejne/bGGoeJSlbZKBaK8&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE here he is at 1:41:00

[@JimmyJames10-k7v]

why you blur the speaker face

[@Briannyc77]

Anyone have video of his maiden speech in the lords?

[@johnkemp8904]

Irrelevant as it is to this video, I cannot resist the story during WW2 of his meeting with Churchill prior to his being sent out to the Middle East as Minister-Resident, that is the British Cabinet’s representative in North Africa. WSC asked ‘Will you go in uniform?’ to which Macmillan answered ‘No’. Pugnaciously Winston asked ‘Are you ashamed of your uniform?’ to which Macmillan replied ‘No, but I shall be giving orders to Field Marshals and my uniform is that of a reserve Captain in the Grenadier Guards’. That is to me a measure of the man.

[@ethantan2873]

18:47 former PM Lord Home too!

[@WawanMurtopo]

Lord home apakah benci dengan harold wilson hingga duduk berjauhan 😂😂

[@MrGranfield]

Manny Shinwell at 0:56. He was then 100 years old. MacMillan a mere 90.

[@MrGranfield]

3:56

[@petermernagh9991]

Coljax....who was the oldest person to ever speak in the house of Lords on camera?

[@DBIVUK]

Probably Lord Houghton of Sowerby, who spoke on 27 March 1996 aged 97?

[@coljaxparliament1290]

It may have been Lord Shinwell he spoke a few times in 1985 - 86 when he was aged 100 - I do not know if any of these were on camera - I will need to do some research into that.

[@ajs41]

@@coljaxparliament1290 Wasn't everything on camera from 1985 onwards?

[@liamb8644]

@@ajs41 I always found it interesting that there was TV coverage of the Lords long before the Commons.

[@ninianstorm6494]

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[@wilsonfisk6626]

Harold Wilson 6:36

[@WawanMurtopo]

Mengapa harold wilson pensiun pada 1976 padahal bisa menjabat sampai 1979

[@wilsonfisk6626]

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[@WawanMurtopo]

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[@imasrosita5062]

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[@tomd7841]

I wonder what he'd make of today's Tory MPs

[@billhaywood3503]

remarkable man but he was wrong about the consequences of the third industrial revolution that is a long conversation

[@michaelmccomb2594]

How so?

[@smokydoke1]

8:39 President Reagan did a very wise thing.

[@Votedjt2024]

Lord stockton is very old