Hollywood's queer exceptionalism

In many shows nowadays, gay relationships are in many ways the standout, or even only relationships in the story.

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

This is so weird. I had been complaining about this in a conversation just recently. They did all the gender swapping and female heroes in every movie you can see, but NONE of the new female protagonists can get a guy. They are either gay, or nothing. Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Spiderman, Ant Man, all of them get a girlfriend or wife. Black Widow (who had an implied relationship with Hulk in Phase 1) NOTHING. She lives alone in a trailer, and has no one. No romantic lead for women (unless they are gay now apparently). It is very strange.

[@teamtundra2619]

I don’t think so

[@jlk313ify]

It's the joos.

[@lianxie5582]

I think it’s a countercurrent against centuries of frustrating media representation. In the past, the only way you get to be a main character is to link yourself to some random guy, so matter how questionable his character

[@DaleHerauf-vg1je]

My question would be, why are they even putting relationship crap into a zombie game. Most people get that kind of thing to kill zombies have some adventures go do something. Who cares about the subtle nuances of the same sex relationship unless you’re actually in one? It has nothing to do with gaming and they need to stop shoving it down peoples throats. It is turning people off to the point to where they are becoming anti-gay, anti-same-sex relationships, and anti-inclusive, it creates division and has the exact opposite effect of what these people want it to. Message to the world in general: keep your bedroom shenanigans to yourself, no matter what your preferences are. If I want to know what someone’s doing in their bedroom, I’ll go to porn hub.

[@LittlePhizDorrit]

@@lianxie5582 ​ I could not disagree more. By not allowing women to have romantic relationships (with men) they are actually falling into an ancient trope that's even worse. Relationships in stories were nearly always added to stories to give the hero an extra layer of character development and humanity. These heroes were often high level warriors or demigods, and women kept them human. A girlfriend or wife gave the men that much needed air of responsibility as father, defender, and/or lover instead of just empty warrior fighting for the sake of fighting. In stories about women, rare as they are, the opposite is true. In order for WOMEN to be true heroes they must throw off their femininity and live as nuns (or lesbians). This is because they are somehow no longer really women, and thus things that women usually are symbolic of, motherhood, family, home, caring, etc are not what they are about (Think Mulan or Amazon warriors). In Hollywood's attempt to "subvert" or be "feminist" they have fallen into tropes as old as humanity. They don't know that of course, it would require them to read something.

[@master_samwise]

This is the first video I've ever seen mention Strange World. I didn't think anyone had even watched it. Incredible that it's not enough for Hollywood to not only prop up non-traditional sexuality; they have to tear down heterosexuality at the same time. Screams insecurity if you ask me.

[@teamtundra2619]

I don’t think so

[@urbanstarship]

I couldn’t bear to do this kind of research. It’s very rare I watch modern shows, because they are so unappealing. I will watch the occasional new movie, but you’ll never find me wasting 16 hours on a new TV show. Thanks for letting people like me understand what’s going on in popular entertainment.

[@omkarpandit357]

Imo showing only homosexual relationships in a show is not bad at all in itself. But when alongside that heterosexual relationships or people are shown as bad/evil/ flawed when homosexuals are perfect is just blatant propaganda and farthest from any story telling perspective.

[@seaninflorida9741]

You put your finger on something that has bothered me for some time. Hollywood has turned against sex and romantic relationships, unless it is gay sex

[@YouSuprised]

Witness the works of the Edomites (who own the porn industry) who claim to be the chosen ones, but are not, but serve the Anti-Christ in their many ''temples''.

[@sonic23233]

That's what it seems like to me

[@briansergeant]

You know why? Two words. Harvey Weinstein

[@Ray03595]

Well because Disney makes half the blockbuster movies on the market now. I don’t think this is true of other studios.

[@kellharris2491]

@@Ray03595 And most of what disney does is rehash the old.

[@brycefalloway]

Don't forget The Last of Us, where a story that is otherwise devoid of any sexual themes or allusions, gets interrupted after 3 episodes for a long, poetic, idyllic homosexual relationship between two men who never even meet our protagonists, and die in each other's arms in an act of selfless Romeo and Juliet-like sacrifice, when their video game counterparts couldn't stand the sight of each other and hated each other's guts, a perfect representation of how such a ruthless unforgiving world can turn even the purest forms of love into something cruel, nasty and bitter. Not to mention, more to the point of your video, this is the only depiction of any relationship in the whole show, homosexual or otherwise, which not only makes it feel awkwardly out of place and shoehorned in, but also speaks volumes about the exceptionalism of which you speak.

[@comradecat3678]

the gay relationship in house of the dragon wasn't very rose-colored

[@cheeks7050]

I guess back in the day there wasn't instant access to porn. Looks like movies and erotica have separated themselves more.

[@jongreen9171]

You should keep the new intro

[@aiswaryabersan7983]

This was a change from killing queer characters from movies. Straight relationship is celebrated everywhere

[@CryptidMech]

Straight is normal. Anything else is not.

[@skullgarden2417]

I’m very tired of it.

[@camadams9149]

Heterosexual relationships are inherently flawed. They serve an essential utilitarian function, reproduction. At the end of the day the relationship quality doesn't matter as long as it fulfills its function. Given that necessary function, societies have created 1001 different regulatory mechanisms to control those relationships so they fulfill their function. Straight relationships in reality & in media are dysfunctional because society does not care about functional relationships. So what if the relationship is a dumpster fire? If the couple produces heirs, the material usefulness of the relationship has been fulfilled. Gay relationships don't have that baggage Portrayals of gay relationships use to be dysfunctional because society tried to get them to serve that reproductive utility. As soon as that stopped... well all that's left to portray is two people who want to be together, trying to get together

[@marverickmercer1968]

"As soon as that stopped... well all that's left to portray is two people who want to be together, trying to get together" And go through the same bitter power struggle know as human relationship. With gay couple involving trust issue with both partners frequently involve in 20 mens orgy and lesbian couple involving who has to wear the pant and takes responsibility in a relationship. Long were the days when homosexual coupling elevated as the purer form of love. Now that their social restrains had been lifted off, they go through the same destructive, dysfunctional hedonistic and selfish pitfall as any other form of human relationship in this day and age. The same goes for Romeo and Juliet as Romeo and Steve and Juliet and Jane, had their love were not forbidden and therefore exciting, there would not be a story and they would not even love each other that much.

[@camadams9149]

@@marverickmercer1968 "Now that their social restrains had been lifted off, they go through the same destructive, dysfunctional hedonistic and selfish pitfall as any other dorm of human relationship in this day and age" Romeo and Juliet is a perfect example of that. They couldnt get together because they were warring families. A heterosexual couple joins families economically. Gay love is just about love. Straight "love" comes with baggage & ultimately boils down to an economic transaction. Gay love stories may involve flawed individuals. Straight love stories are always stories of inherently flawed "love". Kant said it best “Act so as to treat humanity, whether in your own person or in that of another, at all times also as an end, and not only as a means.” Straight "love" always involved people being the means instead of the ends. It's the inevitable consequence of a relationship serving a utility

[@marverickmercer1968]

@@camadams9149 "Gay love is just about love." explain the higher divorce rate among lesbian couple and higher rate of domestic violence among same-sex couple then. Same-sex love is so good and so pure right ? There should be no reason why they are so dysfunctional, even more so than hetero relationship. You know they work overtime to glorify same-sex relationship on screen, but we know the truth.

[@camadams9149]

@@marverickmercer1968 "Gay love stories may involve flawed individuals. Straight love stories are always stories of inherently flawed "love". " Already explained it. All heterosexual "love" is flawed by its nature. Gay love can involve flawed characters but isn't broken from the start. I can understand why these facts threaten you. You were told you were at the top of the hierarchy when in reality your position is more along the lines of... service workers. Sure, the function is essential, but like most essential jobs in society, it's low paid and provides no status. Straight "love" boils down to the cogs replacing themselves before they wear out. Come on, you had to have known that. Dysfunction like Tate being a role model or 28% of men under 30 not having sex within the last year show "straight love" really is a highly regulated game of maximizing utility

[@marverickmercer1968]

​@@camadams9149 "You were told you were at the top of the hierarchy". No I am aware of my flaws and that awareness alone keep me human and accountable. Can't say the same for modern day LGBT people tho. They seem to have their inhibitor turned off. Can't say the same for you too. I was talking about human in general but you seems incapable of looking at and talk about situations without going through the lens of 2020s modern politic, which you assume my perspective is of an straight white incel who follow Andrew Tate, the moment you can't come back with an argument. Your argument is the same nonsensical garbage on the same level you accuse me of. Which make sense since your lived experiences probably doesn't date further back than the last 5-10 years you have been interested in politic. "Heterosexual relationships are inherently flawed." Did you even come up with that on your own or did you need your college professor to feed you this non-argument ?

[@BingBong67489]

It's basically the same with all the various identity categories. The identities that are considered oppressed are rarely, if ever, allowed to be significantly flawed, leaving it up to the straight, white, male characters to be the flawed ones. Because the writers are less concerned about creating art and more concerned about the moral they're promoting. It's like modern media has been infected by the Captain Planet writing philosophy, except instead of being about promoting environmentalism it's about promoting the positive virtues of oppressed demographics.

[@Astolfo2001]

At least Captain Planet was the campy, cheesy, enjoyable kind of bad. The vast majority of moden Western media, on the other hand, is just bad, period.

[@Videogeek95]

@@Astolfo2001 Oddly enough... "Get him off the STAGE!!!" "He's got AIIIDS!!!" has somehow become even MORE relevant...

[@kellharris2491]

@@Astolfo2001 Captain Planet seems more relavent then ever with some people like the CEO's of Nestle and Chevron.

[@teamtundra2619]

@hopelessclown I don’t think so

[@erraticuk]

How many of those top twenty films have a hot shirtless male scene? Remember its evil to look at women unless you pay then sex work is real work. Despite women telling us to stop sexualizing them.

[@napturaladvice7646]

They forget domestic violence occurs in same sex relationships too. It’s actually swept under the rug. They could explore that instead of just the fantasy of romance. 🤔🧐

[@someoneelse1904]

It would be incredibly relevant to address that in a film/series, given that rates of domestic violence are that much higher in same-sex relationships.

[@StrongandGrand]

@@someoneelse1904 They'll probably disown the film or TV show, like they did "Dahmer".

[@darrengordon-hill]

Homophobe

[@davidlangheier250]

That's the same issue I take with She-Ra and how they supported a toxic gay relationship between the hero and villain.

[@pjludda4323]

@@darrengordon-hill Straightiphobe

[@Link00007]

Man I hate wokeness.

[@Nimbereth]

We all do, even the moderate democrats hates this shit.

[@georgejones5019]

A lot of stuff is weirdly gay now. You'd think half the US population was gay or something. But since they changed and broadened the umbrella for identification, they were able to expand their small number to include a few more.

[@bobtaylor170]

If I'm not mistaken, the actual number is 2 1/2 - 3 % of the population.

[@darrengordon-hill]

I'm gay. AKA a good person... right?

[@sonic23233]

It used to be funny

[@dragonandavatarfan8865]

everything is pretty gay now, quite literally lmao

[@CryptidMech]

@@darrengordon-hill No

[@LordEriolTolkien]

Remember when the Flintstones had a ''gay old time'' and there was no sexual connotation? I do. But then I'm old

[@indivisibleman]

That was before the word gay was stolen, like the rainbow.

[@DaleWeathers-kf8gi]

@Indivisible Man, LOL imagine being this stupid that you think a rainbow and a word can be “stolen”.

[@JonasGrumby-OO]

Because it’s not entertainment. It’s propaganda disguised as entertainment.

[@YouSuprised]

The actors are not real actors, but activists that have had some media training. This is why most actors nowadays are bad and political. Never wondered why most of these so called actors (like those in Rings of Power) always talk about POC, diversity, feminism and post-modernist values being portrayed and always avoid talking about the content and story of the series/films they are in? Because THAT is not what they are being paid for. It is pure propaganda.

[@JonasGrumby-OO]

@@YouSuprised I remember saying this to my son in 2013. He was watching Jon Stewart. I told him that was propaganda disguised as comedy. Now look at late night. A ton of "comics" who are painfully unfunny with the exact same political point of view. The "world" Hollywood always refers to means LA. The cultural beliefs of three area codes dominates all of our entertainment despite the fact most people disagree with it.

[@teamtundra2619]

@@JonasGrumby-OOgrow up

[@JonasGrumby-OO]

@@teamtundra2619 choke

[@vadimnagano]

Rambo? Countless other movies? It's just becoming too obvious these days.

[@memoryhero]

You blasted it out of the park with this one. Plenty of videos highlight the sudden disproportionate raft of same sex relationships in film; nobody highlights the very deliberate downgrade or warping that heterosexual relationships receive in the same material.

[@irislake7387]

Deliberate indeed.

[@teamtundra2619]

@@irislake7387stop trying to make heterosexuals victims, you’re not

[@teamtundra2619]

@memoryhero stop trying to make heterosexuals victims, you’re not

[@carascottvo]

This. It's a tone of condescension in some film and TV as well, as if the homosexual relationship is somehow more mature, more caring, more enlightened, while the straight characters are reduced to simple, sarcastic shells, and not worth considering any further than shallow comic relief. Sheesh, cisgender heteros are still the majority of the population. As he says, why can't we have both? Why can't we have true inclusion, rather than just exclusion on the other side of the spectrum?

[@glang5154]

I watched Knock at the Cabin and the whole story was this. Spoiler warning if you want to see this movie (I didn't like it and don't recommend it), but the two main characters are gay and live alone with their daughter in a cabin to escape prejudice, in the end of the movie one of them has to be sacrificed to save humanity because, according to the movie, their relationship is the most pure in the entire world. It's quite tiresome to see this in every form of media now. It's even more tiresome to be called a bigot for noticing it.

[@FLABrowncoat]

It disgusted me how that fever dream of a story treats the child as disposable for the greater good.

[@teamtundra2619]

@glang5154 stop trying to make heterosexuals victims, you’re not. Grow up

[@glang5154]

@@teamtundra2619 stop trying not to. Grow up.

[@teamtundra2619]

@@glang5154 y’all heterosexuals want to be a victim sooooo badly

[@ninjaswordtothehead]

Weird how "oppression" now means having the full support of every major corporation as well as the government, not to mention having every major franchise being rewritten to portray you as the flawless hero. Funny how "equal representation" now means "only about me".

[@zontzooit2415]

As a gay person I’d rather have acceptance from society and my family than to have acceptance from a movie… as much as it might not seem like gay people don’t have oppression anymore it still exist just not within the media.

[@anthonyhiggins9799]

​@@zontzooit2415 Can you give me three or four examples of oppression that are exclusive to gay people which straight people do not experience?

[@zontzooit2415]

@@anthonyhiggins9799 getting made fun/belittled or put down of for your sexuality I think is the most common one. having to hide your sexuality/who you’re interested in in front of certain groups of people, some places allow people to deny service to you based on your sexuality but I think that’s changing. And some gay people not all experience this one which is hiding your sexuality from your own parents for your own safety/to simply not be kicked out or disowned. Straight people can and sometimes do experiences all of this stuff just not for the same reasons gay people do.

[@zontzooit2415]

@@anthonyhiggins9799 idk if you’d consider judgment as oppression though but regardless I think judgment isn’t a good thing and most can agree with that

[@anthonyhiggins9799]

@@zontzooit2415 No judgement is not oppression. Everyone gets judged, everyone feels judged in certain situations. That purely comes down to caring what people think. Everyone gets belittled or made fun of for varying reasons, some get bullied all through school for no specific reason at all, gay or straight, black or white. Many people decide on a career choice that goes completely against their parent's beliefs or hopes and have to face the fear of telling them or hiding it. I've never encountered a place refusing entry to homosexuals. Not sure how they would even know someone was homosexual unless they were making a big show of it. None of these experiences are unique to gay people. Only the specific reason they are experiencing it is different. Others will experience the same for being a certain colour, religion, choosing a certain occupation or education, marrying someone the family disagrees with, the list goes on. Gays have all the same rights in nearly every country in the world with the exception of a couple of kips that nobody straight or gay should want to visit. They're being pampered and raised on a pedestal by most governments, NGOs and media companies and at this stage are one of the best supported 'minorities' in the world.

[@SinkingPoint]

The last of us is a great example of this. Two full flashback episodes dedicated to two homosexual romances that have little relevance to the rest of the show. Yet Joel's relationship with Tess has been as yet ignored.

[@Ray03595]

Tess dies early in the game, and Riley/Ellie episode also taken directly from the games. Bill/Frank was the only thing they expanded on in terms of relationships. Would hardly call any of those relationships exceptional considering they are all dead besides for Ellie. Also, Joel’s relationship with his daughter, and Ellie as his surrogate daughter is the beating heart of the entire series, never Joel’s love interests

[@teamtundra2619]

Good

[@SergioLeonardoCornejo]

I call it the alphabet soup dictatorship. Because you can't dislike it without being treated with animosity and it is very focused on the most fringe elements of these groups.

[@Astolfo2001]

As a technically mixed race (my father came from Iran while my mother came from an Italian family in Long Island, NY) bisexual woman, you know when Hollywood has gone rock bottom when the 2 best Hollywood-produced movies of last year were a sequel to a mediocre Shrek spin-off and a sequel to a live-action adaptation of a SEGA Genesis game starring a speedy blue cartoon hedgehog.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

@@Astolfo2001 What your bisexuality has to do with what Hollywood spews out, exactly?

[@Alois_from_Vienna_in_Austria]

It is the same thing with every new thing and trend: it always starts slow and speeds up until all do the same and people lose interest in it. Now we are in the phase where every show and movie has to have a lesbian or gay couple, every hero is a diverse woman and every bad character is a white male, etc. but when everybody does the same people start to lose interest in it. Following this trends, gets a weaker way to produce interest and hide a lack of quality every day. Some of the people who rely manly on this trends are panic therefore already, like the makers of the little mermaind oder the new Indiana Jones Movie.

[@Spongemonkey26]

There's straight characters in media still?

[@Nimbereth]

Sadly, no. We conservatives need to fight back even harder against the gay agenda.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

Well, they're not depicted as gay so they must be straight... I guess...

[@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564]

Not fair for House of the Dragon, though I get the point. As a standout show it'd be fine, but there's a broader tendency towards making heterosexuality and traditional couples out to be toxic and evil by default. Modern cinema doesn't have one single positive, heterosexual couple flourishing, and heterosexuality seems either completely gone or villified.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

The "entertainment" industry is controlled by the alphabet "community", what else would you expect?

[@isakaldazwulfazizsunus7564]

@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о Fair. You can tell a lot about the screenwriter's personality through what they talk about

[@user-vg8ox3he1i]

Most people are heterosexual and many struggle romantically in the modern era. It is easy to idealize a lesbian relationship if you are a woman who can't maintain longterm relationships with men. It is easy for men who are straight to imagine and idealize a gay or lesbian relationship because it doesn't ring hollow in your own life. Also there are women who hate man and hate the idea of men being happy or depicting relationships as anything other than male violence. Then there are gay people who are just making content that speaks to them (this is the most authentic).

[@alexabaxter6658]

I'm from the era of LGBT internet where there was a small enough amount of LGBT content on mainstream TV that it was pretty easy to find 90% of it, and you either played it totally straight or put up with things that would never normally appeal to you. I had some limits e.g. I didn't watch Torchwood because not into the violence and grimdark. Then my tastes changed, I watched it after a post-2005 Doctor Who rewatch, and... whoa, we could actually write queer characters then! This cultural icon for sleeping with everything that moves was also a person who could fall in love, and lead the team, and crack rude jokes with their mates, and heroically prevent aliens blowing up Earth, and be the loud annoying American at a British wedding. The plotlines around sexuality in general get B-movie ridiculous which has its appeal, while "Cyberwoman" is simply the product of Chibnall thinking with the little head and certainly not a gay problem. By having a gay character, you prove that it's not getting censored, that you can do it in public and not get beaten into submission. By doing it *well*, you also make a statement that gays are people, and present an alternative to the people who act like gays are this evil outside force who wants to destroy everything. Then as that catches on, mission accomplished, now you just have gay characters sometimes because people are gay sometimes. But we botched it and now we have a gay/straight divide as ridiculous at the one between Christians and atheists in a Pureflix movie. The tone isn't "who you love doesn't prevent you from belonging in the civilised glorious future!" or "yeah, everyone sucks in the grim future, who cares what it's on?" or anything in between, it isn't so weird you can't tell, it's just "our guys are good and yours are bad" so neither group is remotely believable and it's just boring.

[@NormieNerddom]

I don't think it's a coincidence this comes right after the 3rd episode of The Last of Us where a meaningful sequence in the game is skipped over in favor of an idyllic romantic love story between 2 men that result in nothing more than Joel and Ellie getting a car.

[@kayskaht2052]

I never even caught all of this in these shows. I mean I knew identity politics was being shoved all the way down our throats. But I didn’t realize heterosexuality was being overtly down-played or even oddly villainized. There’s no balance in these projects on either ends of the spectrum. Makes you wonder…

[@quademasters249]

This was eye opening for me as well. I've seen it in games too. One of the "Borderlands" games. It's utterly sexless except for the gay relationship between two males.

[@teamtundra2619]

@@quademasters249grow up

[@teamtundra2619]

@kayskaht2052 nothings “forced”. Grow up

[@quademasters249]

@@teamtundra2619 I love games with sex in them. I don't love sexless games with a single forced relationship used to check off some box. The idea of Hammerlock snuggling with that other burly dude gave me the creeps. The same creeps I'd get when two ugly hetero's go at it. It probably wouldn't have bugged me if they were an attractive couple...

[@krzysztofbyrtek7848]

The global trend of this is so messed up I'm actually afraid of developing actual homosexual relationship in my novel... That I made first draft for around 2017. Not that far away, but still. Hollywood is the reason we can't have nice things.

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

I feel you on that! 😩 I'd love more stories that include homosexual characters/relationships without pushing The Agenda™️

[@col.strayga1389]

I'm very afraid of my screenplay. The bisexual relationship is a messy one, and I'm sure of how it will be perceived.

[@billsprestonesq.226]

You could have also included "Peacemaker", where the only healthy relationship was a lesbian one; while I enjoyed and recommend the show, the show was not called "Obese Black Lesbian", and yet they often centered the story around her. I've heard many folks praise HotD, often noting that it included diversity without becoming a Diversity show. (And GoT wasn't really known for its healthy relationships, either.) Unfortunately, good stories with queer characters are the exception and almost unintentional: A week or two ago, the World Economic Forum held a panel called "Beyond the Rainbow: Advancing LGBTQI+ Rights" where the CEO of GLAAD said (links below) that they'd worked with Hollywood to not just center stories around "LGBTQ" but to put them "everywhere" in stories. The intention is "diversity and inclusion"; quality is incidental. Some quotes from the GLAAD CEO: "How can we infiltrate or work with media, corporations who put information out, to get the word out, to bring visibility ..." "That's something that we're combatting in the US is that only 16 percent of US people say that they know someone who's transgender - so who's making up the gap in education? Media." kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmrZdHttbNebgq8m50s "Normalizing LGBTQ folks, including us in all stories. So that's the other piece that I think is very important, and we've worked really closely with Hollywood on this. It's not just centering the story on us but it's - we're everywhere, right, we're at your workplace, we're in your families, we're at your at your laundrymat, we're at your grocers, we're everywhere, so why aren't we everywhere in the stories that are being told." kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZmrZdHttbNebgq8m57s

[@rajeevnaik9511]

Thank you very much for all the information you gave here. You really opened many people's eyes.

[@ESEJESEJ]

Rather World demonic forum.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

It's interesting how they don't even try to hide it or word their speeches carefully. It's a bold-faced admittance of propaganda and indoctrination.

[@Mr_Case_Time]

So in Dr. Strange M.O.M., the chick that can traverse the multiverse using will alone has two moms. My question is this: is that how babies are made in that universe, or are her parents gay? If it’s the former, then plot-wise there’s no reason for it to be two moms. If they’re gay, then where’s her dad?

[@BiggieTrismegistus]

That's how babies are made in that universe. It's called the "Utopian Parallel" and there aren't any men at all.

[@britasha1194]

LOL... true though, it's really weird how they avoid it.

[@stranger6822]

I don't think Hollywood writers understand what a functional relationship is. Each person has to not only tolerate but help to make up for the other's faults. Neither of you are perfect, but you're more complete and functional together. That's the point. Tenderness and romance have very little to do with it, in the long run. Yet romance is the only thing Hollywood seems to even partially understand. Because they don't know what a functional relationship looks like, I don't think they can even tell the difference between one relationship and another. I suspect all straight relationships look the same to those people: normal and boring. Gay relationships are "new" and haven't gotten as much screen time, and are therefore novel and interesting to those writers.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

"Gay relationships are "new" and haven't gotten as much screen time" - no, the screenwriters simply write about their lives and fantasies, that's all.

[@stranger6822]

@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о I don't think the number of gay writers is anywhere close, proportionally, to the representation currently.

[@FearsEdge]

This is my main complaint of many properties that would otherwise be good. Arcane is an example. I thought it was well done and well written. But I noticed that there wasn't a single intact family depicted. Everyone was an orphan or divorced or estranged. From the poor to the super rich, not one intact family shown. They have adoptive families sure, their friends and live interests. But not one family shown with a father and a mother still together.

[@two4328]

I think that is actually a good thing about arcane. It emphasizes how much division is in the world that it’s set in. There isn’t supposed to be a well structured family, it’s entirely dystopian. Look at the lore of the game it’s based on, there are no genuine, intact families.

[@FearsEdge]

@TW O I've played the game but never read much into the lore. I get that it's dystopian but it seems like Netflix is always showing broken families unless they are alphabet or interracial. But I am aware that because of the culture war bullshit and leftists infecting everything that I am becoming more sensitive to it and might be seeing wokeness where in this case it is deliberately supposed to be dystopian and horrible because wokeness seeks to turn everything into a dystopian hellscape.

[@moemothmann6760]

This is why anime is so popular

[@col.strayga1389]

Facts!

[@chakravartin3356]

Nah. I think people who say this is just trying to cope It's very popular in anime nowadays when a female character stepping on the males like she owns him like a pet or slave, and the male would just shrink in front of her. I bet 100% if hollywood make this, y'all just bashing as usual (tbf, i don't support lgbtq and feminism, i just don't want to support cope behavior like most people). It's just because people hate hollywood, then escape to other part of the world entertainment, saying "it's better, because it's not hollywood" while in fact it's a two side of the same coin

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

@@chakravartin3356 Very true. Also, a large section of anime is about the same sex relationships, so to paint this genre as an opposition to hollywood is a folly. It's exactly what you said - a coping mechanism, when people really should ignore and boycott the whole "entertainment" (=ideological indoctrination) industry.

[@terracottagecheese2767]

Honestly, putting it all together this all just seems like propaganda to enforce the idea that heterosexual relationships are "boring." Which is incredibly insulting, in my opinion. Though it does bring up the question: if homosexual relationships are instead seen as the "exciting" alternative by the writers of these movies and TV shows then isn't that just another way of saying that they believe such a relationship to be forbidden and therefore more interesting?

[@SuperArestus]

You, sir, deserve a much wider audience👍

[@chrisg5219]

There's a couple who sa'd their adopted sons and pimped them out in Georgia. They were activists as well.

[@fat_boy_slim]

This reminds me of the tendency of portraying husbands/dads as oafish or all together stupid, and wives/mothers as clear minded or the one who has it together, if you have to downgrade the other to prop yourself up, or in the cases of representing homosexual couples without any representation of healthy straight couples seems almost like having your cake without even eating it

[@christopherkelley1664]

That's been happening for decades. Dad is a full on tard who exists solely to get dunked on. Precocious liberal kid, brilliant mom, and preachy "very special episodes" that are overtly anti-white amd pro-immigrant.

[@chakravartin3356]

Vulnerable wife who need the help of her husband is almost non-existent nowadays in entertainment. It's the other way around. Even if the husband is strong or smart, there is always this one goddamn scene where the wife immediately shows up and helping him, turns out she can be as brave and strong as he is but she just don't want to brag it so he can have the spotlight. I mean, whats the point of having strong male lead if you have one scene that breaks the purpose of it's trope?

[@StanViviLee]

​@@chakravartin3356soooo you're all about vulnerable women but not men. With such, you're the reason I don't take such critics seriously. You said it yourself. The strong male lead will need the female for help at one point or another. Funny how this is unacceptable to you but when a woman is portrayed the same, it's an issue. Even yesteryear shows portrayed men as stupid sometimes. Look at Flintstones, family guy, Simpsons even Futurama with Fry. You're just complaining of a nonexistent issue while pushing issues to be discussed about modern media under the rug. You're too dumb for this conversation. Sorry not sorry.

[@teamtundra2619]

@fat_boy_slim grow up

[@ezra3111]

It’s funny how most of these are about lesbian relationships. Because at the end of the day they know that two chicks kissing sells better than two dudes.

[@darrengordon-hill]

Not when they're actually lesbians!!!

[@suzanneclark7706]

Lol

[@col.strayga1389]

​@@darrengordon-hill You're right because everyone knows by now that having two lipstick lesbians is a fantasy. 😂

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

"Female empowerment" (sic!) only leads to this one thing.

[@derroysan]

Interesting thoughts. I was aware of the divers agenda of the new movies and shows. But I did not set that in a comparison with the (non-)depiction of nice hetero relationships. No that it was pointed out, I will probably notice it.

[@hotkeyafl]

no steamy shower scenes but plenty of scientology front men in the top 2. funny how that was the only movie to avoid the wokeness and make plenty of money.

[@nmoddentity8401]

Anyone see the CW show "The 100?" To me, it's the best example I've come across of how to properly diversify sexuality in a series or movie. Sex is a minor but often relevant part of the story and includes most everything (including a bi character). Relationships are complicated, passionate, and sometimes troubled across all preferences. Modern shows should take note.

[@channelthechannel]

1:53 TLOU show anyone. In the game it was understated and a failing relationship, and in the show it takes up an entire episode and is beaaaautiful.

[@effingright3045]

Has everyone been living under a rock? This is textbook Queer Theory in practice. For quite some time now Queer hasn't had anything to do with being a gay guy or a lesbian. It's not a gender identity; it's a political ideology. Queer advocacy is all about fighting against heteronormativity at every turn. It's a deeply radical political movement that treats anything normative (dominant) with hostility. Showing a straight couple in a positive light is a violation of the basic tenets of Queer Theory. Hollywood, like education, is overrun with Queer activists.

[@ManawatuFlyFishing]

I watched scream 5 last night and it was the same.

[@shadowandsunshinellc]

Mr. Chamberlain, I agree. Sexuality, and especially heterosexuality, is almost always presented as foolish at best, actively evil at worst.

[@troffle]

> Nope, I can't do it. For better or worse you're stuck with the curmudgeonly commentary of an articulately erudite Antipodean OHTHANKGOD

[@neildaly2635]

Needs more cowbell.

[@jraelien5798]

Oh my God. You made me pee my pants. You're hilarious! Very insightful. It is an exceedingly strange time we live in.

[@TheAlphaLegionnaire]

I do hear what you’re saying, but I always thought the reason sex scenes have all but died in modern cinema was due to the rise of internet porn. Giving audiences a sneak peak at something tantalizing and exciting used to mean something before every 12 year old had full access to hard core porno.

[@jneilson7568]

Which is a shame, because even a story with some gratuitous nudity is probably a healthier context than the mercenary 'here's everything ' of most porn.

[@Kevin_Street]

That's a really interesting observation. I don't think anyone else has seen it yet. But why does it have to be one kind of relationship or the other? There should be room for movies with both homo and hetero pairings. Or is that Hollywood is afraid the mass audience won't invest in a homosexual relationship if there's any hetero alternative available?

[@Kevin_Street]

Oh wow, I just saw The Last of Us episode 3, and now I _really_ see what you're talking about! They took almost an entire episode to tell a love story about two guys in a show where there's no room for love stories at all. It's about zombies and the apocalypse, for goodness sake!

[@adamwells9352]

As a dyed-in-the-wool leftie, I find this problem with identity politics particularly hard to grapple with. Inclusion is a good thing, but "Hollywood" is a blunt tool to try to bring it about, and I can't get behind the kind of Dopey anti-anti-bigotry that these shows settle on. I think it takes a good artist to bridge the gap of inclusion, and an attentive audience to care. Not sure we have much of either. ...Side note, check out "The Wire," which despite being considerably older has difficult homosexual relationships right alongside its difficult heterosexual ones.

[@EchoChamberlain]

Great thoughts, we seem to share the same sentiments

[@jjhh320]

"Omar comin'!"

[@Greman32]

Homosexual romance is the new heterosexual romance

[@locutuslee2506]

because it's hip!

[@briancrawford8751]

When are they going to come out with Quentin Tarantino's vision of Top Gun as discussed in the decent '90s indie movie "Sleep With Me?" I want to see a "big, gay, fucking, fighting force."

[@jamesmurray8572]

hey man, where can i read your stuff?

[@secondphoenix7676]

Not show related but Bayonetta 3 got hate thrown its way because the main character was confirmed hetero and not lesbian as the toxic fans wanted. You can't have hetero relationships without terminally ill weirdos hating it like the church hated rock in the 70s.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

"the church hated rock in the 70s" - the church actually had a point.

[@RabbiRabbit87]

Echo and the despot are by far the best and most intelligent of these types of channels. Don’t get me wrong the drinker and nerdrotic are great but definitely not as deep and interesting.

[@timkinss]

I'm afraid to respectfully and politely report that I will now have the shortlived frenzied intro hype train foremost in my mind whenever I begin your videos. It is truly the quintessence of hype

[@EchoChamberlain]

Noted.

[@dragonqueenyona3108]

Let me question this; do we really need to be bombarded with sex in all of our movies? There is more to life then sex. What about all of the countless movies that have potrayed heterosexual sex and relationships before? Why is it an issue that some movies and tv shows are just now featuring same sex couples? "An heterosexual world" is said multiple times throughout this video, but how is it? More than one sexuality exists. Just because a show or movie features mostly straight relationships doesn't mean that a gay/ same-sex one can't exist. As for Strange World, the main focus of the movie was multi-generational familial relationships, not the main character's crush. It is extremely misleading to imply that no straight relationships existed in that film, considering that the most prominent romantic relationship in Strange World was between the mother and the father. As for Lightyear, the whole plot was about Buzz accepting life as is and not being so caught up in the past that life passes him by. A mere 20 second (if that) montage of a healthy lesbian relationship (who's kid is in a straight relationship by the way) is hardly enough to be calling this exceptional queerism. Why is it considered a crime for there to be more representation featured in film even as minor side plots? The few LGBT+ relationships potrayed in film in the past were abusive, unrealistic, and frankly insulting. Claiming that gay realtionships are "in many shows nowadays" and that its "queer exceptionalism" is objectively false, considering the fact that many more countless cinema created (and in the process of being created) exclusively feature heterosexual relationships.

[@dragonqueenyona3108]

Kind of weird that most of your examples were kid oriented and you’re bemoaning that there is no sex in that.

[@EatingDriedFruit]

Your channel is criminally undersubscribed.

[@teamtundra2619]

This isn’t even a real problem

[@genghisgahan9623]

Thanks a lot, now that tune is stuck in my head all day 🎵🎶"ECHO CHAMBERLAIN"📣🎶🔊

[@EchoChamberlain]

Imagine composing and editing it...

[@gabrijelskrenkovic475]

Love the scooter mix intro

[@alejandrotorresriquelme8714]

Remember the: Film Actors Guild From team america

[@maxhill9254]

thx

[@tenjones8069]

That was and interesting intro selection Lol

[@elephantguy]

You get my thumbs up just for the opening alone.

[@jlk313ify]

That's it ..Done deal. Echo Chamberlain has just gained another subscriber here. Having watched his death of Disney video before this one, my respect was as good as earned, but the Halle Berry comment locked it in. Hat's off to Echo Chamberlain. A firm salute, and please, keep 'em coming, friend.

[@kamilka-visuals]

Brilliant, among other this is the reason I started to buy DVD's, also I spent more time reading, until there's libraries out there we're safe as a mankind, nevertheless... I also buy books, just in case if libraries accidentally catch on fire upon the next blm like campaign... would be such a shame if all that would left be just the elderly's lady grandmother to tell you the true... #stand with cleopatra : P Cleopatra's live matter!

[@Taveren]

Halle barry is a good choice

[@Astolfo2001]

Astolfo in Fate/Apocrypha is an example of a LGBT character done right. Sure, he's practically the comedy relief of that light novel/manga/anime but for the most part, he is treated like and acts like a real human being and not just a punchline and/or a NPC that just supports the current thing. And he is canonically a bisexual otokonoko (Japanese slang for femboy; aka. trap) so yes, he is technically a part of the LGBT community.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

Do we really need "a LGBT character", whether done right or not? That's the question.

[@brothatisfunny]

Not gonna lie i liked the "new" intro lmao (but it would get old very quickly)

[@tiredman4540]

Thanks for this, it's saved me a lot of time and money! Now wonder my film addict mates are watching Bollywood films now.

[@ingogotico1398]

Post link to novel?

[@johnrichmond.4783]

Wow! Accepting perversion means normal relationships are demeaned, sidelined and maligned! Incredible insight. Shame about the genuflection towards the perversion itself...you undermine your own interpretation.

[@robertoperalta2526]

Not but seriously, the intro always upsets me. The random helicopter sounds are so jarring.

[@mattjohnholmes]

Intro needs more cowbell

[@joshnite9265]

Important stuff, sir. Great vid.

[@NarcissistAU]

Cowbell. You require moar.

[@Luis-jl6oh]

😂 Thunder Gun

[@DamnTheBeavers]

well..after decades of gay villains, gay tragedy and gay characters dying at the end of the movie, it's a bit refreshing

[@margarettfurtado8294]

love the intro

[@lenniegodber7805]

Movies mirror real life. The number of the new generations that identifies as LGBT is upwards of 30% compared to 2% in prior generations. People are having sex at rates lower than at any time in history, birth rates are at an all time low and of course so are marriage rates. Childless, sexless, single people will become the norm before long

[@col.strayga1389]

This is not by accident but by design.

[@edenbreckhouse]

It's curious that lesbian relationships are portrayed in such a positive light given that in real life: 1. Lesbians are very likely to be fat/obese 2. The rate of domestic violence in lesbian relationships. Higher than straight relationshps.

[@zensai-gaming]

you know whats funny? and 100% fact the vast majority of gay relationships end quickly and are often full of jealousy and insecurity and often the most violent far from whats portrayed on screen.

[@fishertheadore6095]

6:40 Had Me at your Every word until You said that there's nothing wrong with gey shyt. Which there Most certainly is.

[@TopJazzCat]

"After the ball"

[@fairytalepurityanalyser6056]

What the -$uck- is a black person, fully integrated/assimilated as a normal thing, doing in House Of The Dragon? I didn't see any blacks in the Mulan live action remake.

[@col.strayga1389]

Because the Chinese Gov isn't having any of that.

[@RoastMePls]

Hey man, I am gonna call you out on this one. Hollywood has had decades of exclusively heterosexual representation. We're just at the tail end of a long period where sexuality other than straight was taboo, and gay people would have to hide their true identity to even get hired, let alone represented on the screen. You're not bothered by thousands of movies/series having a "sexual bias" let's call it, but a handful of queer portrayals does? Think of it like this: out of all that came out of Hollywood, what % has queer/gay representation in it? (Your take on the "contextualization" of it I find preety weak)

[@ThinWhiteAxe]

did you even watch the video? he went on a lengthy rant, with examples, about how it's because in many of these shows, the heterosexual relationships are dysfunctional while the homosexual ones are all rainbows (heh) and sunshine. That's not accurate to reality - both homo- and heterosexual relationships have the potential to be dysfunctional or healthy.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

"let alone represented on the screen" - no need for that at all.

[@RoastMePls]

@@ВладимирКруглов-к9о The movie industry doesn't mean just the people you see on the screen, buddy.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

@@RoastMePls Thank you Cap! Anything else as enlightening?

[@fairytalepurityanalyser6056]

I hope Russia does something. It's the only white-Christian nation that's doing something kinetic against this kind of evil.

[@ВладимирКруглов-к9о]

Don't get your hopes up. F-sm spreads rampantly (or at least is very fashionable, especially among the brainier types), liberast faction is still strong and even with the anti-perversion laws we still frequently have "don't hate on gays, they're harmless" outbreaks. The authorities do precious little to actually uphold the traditional values, the divorce rate is 1:2, trans "thing" is spreading slowly but surely etc. As much as I'd love our country to be a rock against this wave of insanity that spread across the West, it's very far from it and I'm not sure for how long even the vaguely traditional values will hold out.

[@YouSuprised]

Welcome to the society of the lies, deceptions and pervertion of everything good, noble and natural.

[@GonzoShitcock]

Hey...its not that bad... They're just telling you that being gay is cooler... 😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@thedragcrab]

Man i was with you on the taylor swift slander, but this heterossexual relationships victimazation its just disguised homophobia

[@thedragcrab]

gay relationships need this overly positive representation, as they are portrait in the real world as taboo and disgusting behavior, there shoud be a common understanding that theres a need where this representation comes from. As for the heterossexual relationships u cant even make a case for it with the HUGE AMOUNT of representations of positive hetero romances portrait out there. so i would ve just scrawbled this video idea because its stupid and it portrais gay as evily positive and hetero-harmful and thats so silly because reality is reallly different

[@CryptidMech]

@@thedragcrab Stop trying to normalize your deviancy

[@thedragcrab]

@@CryptidMech stop trying to rationalize my nature into a deviancy. thats unnatural