Hollywood Unions Strike as Streaming Collides with the Old Ways | CorridorCast EP

[@anonymes2884]

This one felt a bit contrived. I get Jake is managing the conversation but ultimately, there's a pretty clear right side to this one. It's not up to the WGA and SAG-AFTRA to make the economics of streaming work, that's the producers and CEOs' job - if they can't, that's _their_ fault and _they_ should be penalised, not the people _making_ the product. It's strange how it's always the ordinary working people that have to "accept the economic realities", meanwhile the execs somehow continue to earn hundreds of millions of dollars _despite_ those "economic realities".

[@Evan-pr3bf]

Also they are raking in record profits in many cases rn

[@KajahaX]

It’s funny how disruptive the video-on-demand model is for everything except executive pay.

[@MightyShakaZulu]

Fucking THIS! I can't understand why people don't see this.

[@Forjugadname]

Nah it's the economics man, it's just economics. Such horse shit. The people at the bottom just want to get paid enough to live, and have some kind of future in the industry because they haven't already sold off their likeness forever or the only jobs they get are editing for AI's for pennies.

[@ASeriesOfAttempts]

By design

[@DemonDog444]

I love it, because I get what I want when I want it. I am after all, the consumer.

[@feelipeson]

Oh, you're wrong in that, it was disruptive for them, increased in almost 80% their pay 🤡

[@Appletank8]

I know Jake says he rather not the government step in, but if studios can't self regulate, someone has to force them to. Not enough people pay attention to dig into every corp's shady practices to actually vote with their wallet, and sometimes they simply don't have a good option due to all the local stores got outcompeted. Like, how the heck am I suppose to buy from a different cereal company if Kellogg owns every brand on the shelves?

[@arthuryore]

Coming from the music world, I feel like accessibility to the artists is at the core of the economic issues in both worlds. More projects means more opportunity for more people but it also means a diluted system where more money is being put in than could possibly be earned back. And everyone makes less as a result. Such good conversations, I wish I was there to contribute lol

[@APrettyGoodChannel]

Flipside to Jake's comparison of ticket prices to streaming prices. I rarely go to the movies more than once or twice a year, but pay monthly for streaming.

[@Holdfast-]

The year is 2077, it's been 40 years since the corpo wars ended and the United States of Amazon was found.

[@anonymes2884]

You think it'll take that long ? I love your optimism :).

[@Holdfast-]

@@anonymes2884 Well it was kind of a reference to the Cyberpunk lore :D

[@atomsofstardust]

If people can open WGA proposal, it’s a 2 page PDF, and actually read what writers proposed vs how AMPTP rejected it, you’ll see that it’s just straight up insulting. Writers didn’t ask for anything over the top, nothing crazy at all, and studios and producers just showed a middle finger to them on most if not all the proposals. It’s studios and producers who are in the wrong here, don’t get mistaken about that. Sure, you might not like “the message” and crappy writing from the recent shows and movies, but don’t forget that a lot of it is influenced by studio execs and producers too. And even if you don’t like some of those top franchise ruiners, I think it’s a pretty bad faith argument to say that other people shouldn’t get fairly compensated for their work. It’s like if you’ve had a few bad experiences with taxi drivers or bartenders, would you argue all of them must lose their jobs and not get paid? Or maybe repercussions should only apply to those exact people who did something wrong or subpar?

[@ynie1]

I think secretly Conspiracy theory, but I think studios rejected the proposal because are secretly hoping that the strike goes on. I mean, these studios are trying to cut costs anyways, and if writes and actors are going to voluntarily stop working, then mission accomplished. It may be bad PR, but it beats having to deal with legal ramifications of breaking contracts.

[@a.w_.]

The fact that so many people are willing to pass judgment on a situation without putting in the bare minimum effort of reading literally just two pages just kind of says it all.

[@chrisbach8142]

From what I know, the irony about some of these complaints are that they are likely caused by the bad studio practices the WGA is fighting against and that the changes the WGA are asking for will likely improve the writing process. For example, I believe one of the things the WGA is asking for is to allow writers to be on set during filming (which studios have slowly prevented as this would require paying the writers for additional hours). This would give the writers first-hand knowledge about what in the og script works or doesn’t work so that if a rewrite is needed, they’ll be more prepared.

[@atomsofstardust]

@@chrisbach8142 Exactly. As well as writers asking for more time and fighting against mini-rooms, where they might not have enough time or enough of high skilled people to truly break down the story to make it really compelling. I know that thing affects more TV side than film, but still, it’s an important issue, to which producers responded, basically “go f yourselves”.

[@atomsofstardust]

@@ynie1 I mean, sure, in the short term that might work. But if they wanna make money, and they do love their giant houses on the hills and expensive Porsches, and you need money for that, at some point they will have to make a deal, otherwise next year they’ll have ZERO movies and money. And since they hide streaming figures, I bet they don’t make nearly as much money from that as they want their shareholders to believe.

[@metaturnal]

Netflix's gross profit in 2022 was $12.44 Billion, according to "macrotrends" So it seems like they can afford to pay fair wages. They are putting the costs of the audition on the actors. People are only allowed to work on one project at the time. Jake wants to drive the conversation or play devil's advocate, I know, but it seems to miss the point. Or seems very generous towards the studios.

[@RickR69]

Never forget that Jake is a lawyer. Take that as you will.

[@ynie1]

@@RickR69 Well yea, behind closed doors, union negotiations are always about lawyers and accountants dealing with money.

[@aaronjjacques]

@metaurnal do you understand the difference between gross profit and net profits. Would you be happy if based how much I charged you based on your gross salary BEFORE you covered costs like the food/shelter/etc you need to live?

[@metaturnal]

@@aaronjjacques Oh, I'm sorry. Net profits were 4.5 Billion USD in 2022 and 5.1 Billion USD in 2021. Still seems like enough to pay fair wages, Mr. Strawman.

[@aaronjjacques]

@@metaturnal that 9.123 per share on a $425 share. That is a really tiny ROI.

[@usuallydopesvsc]

Glad to see you guys dive into the strike 🤙🏻

[@APrettyGoodChannel]

I love how in both the US and Australia the voice for a rich person is an exaggerated british accent.

[@zDToddy]

Maybe they don't want an investor to know that they don't make money anymore

[@ynie1]

I wrote this in another comment. I think there's a conspiracy theory that studios rejected the proposal because are secretly hoping that the strike goes on. I mean, these studios are trying to cut costs anyways, and if writes and actors are going to voluntarily stop working, then mission accomplished. It may be bad PR, but it beats having to deal with legal ramifications of breaking contracts.

[@KillerTacos54]

I was hoping you guys would tackle this topic! Thank you for continuing to bring spotlight on artists and advocating for their rights

[@nickouellette-perry6485]

Lol at least SAG/WGA has the balls to strike. I’m an IATSE member and we haven’t gotten a good deal since I joined. We had a chance to strike in 2021, and local 600 screwed us out of a good deal.

[@ianharmening8033]

It's coming in 2024! I'm DGA and I'm continuously pissed at how the guild rolls over

[@Antares-vj7su]

Vfx are too passive

[@gordonendt]

Yeah just popped up in my feed!

[@weinbergs]

I think companies use streaming platforms as a way to generate loses, so that they have less taxes to pay, which could be higher than just taking a hit in their revenue.

[@HexerPsy]

The economics of streaming are likely not as rosy as you think. Consider that the number of movies and shows have gone up, but not the number of tickets. You used to sell a movie ticket and maybe a DVD for a movie, so you hit people about twice. Now per month we could be watching a dozen a shows for the price of 1-2 tickets or so. However... there is recurring stable monthly income. You dont need some box office success - people pay for netflix and other platforms the year around. So in absolute numbers, they have a more stable income with loads more users than what they make in movie theaters. But there is a catch: streaming movies also comes with infrastructure and server costs. Its NOT free to stream video - so a good slice of that pie goes to infrastructure and power costs. And then we ignore the piracy aspect too, which probably takes some amount. In the end there should be enough for some raise - but there is probably a lot more material being produces that isnt significant enough in margins to make it worth it.

[@ynie1]

Oh for sure, my college roommates now works for AWS and services Netflix account just for the East Coast of the US. Netflix typically pays AWS hundreds of millions per year just for that area alone.

[@brianbagnall3029]

Theoretically, there should be more opportunities for actors and writers due to there being so many more productions. 30 years ago there was a handful of TV channels. Now there are hundreds of channels, streaming, KZbin, etc. all making content.

[@ynie1]

But wouldn't that also mean the audience is diluted?

[@brianbagnall3029]

@@ynie1 It depends on if the population has increased and if people's average watching hours have gone up since then. Just going by the number of fat people out there now...

[@ynie1]

@@brianbagnall3029 It could also be video games and KZbin. Given how KZbin has exploded, and younger generations are not interested in traditional scripted content.

[@DanJuega]

@@ynie1 I wouldn't say they're not interested in scripted content. I think what youtube replaced was stuff like day time television, or like game contests. Because movies and shows are still very much watched. And this is even more true, as movies are 99% geared towards young audiences.

[@PoxyBear]

@@DanJuega Not true. The younger generation is watching TV and movies the least amount but playing video games the most.

[@CharlesVanNoland]

While the money people pay to see films on streaming now is less there's also less of the overhead of distributing/marketing a film that would otherwise be involved just to get people to see it. Now they can just plaster it up on their platform, pay for a few ads if they feel the need. Sure, there's the overhead of digital distribution - server farms, etc, but that overhead is hosting *all* of their content, not just one film. Once you build out that infrastructure it's sort of a one-time cost, with just maintenance/IT costs afterward, and periodic upgrades here and there. You also don't need to pay to make a bunch of VHS tapes, DVDs, Blurays, or whatever else to be able to keep selling the film to people.

[@DarthBiomech]

Globalizatiuon was meant to be "I can freely order something from the other side of the globe and get it at worst a couple months later also everybody tries to be compatibe with each other instead of multiplying proprietary dead ends" (Remember the dark age of mobile phones before the micro-usb came along?), not "everything gets to be owned by a handful of international megacorporation conglomerates" , and I want it to be like the former not the latter. The coca-cola future is disturbing, and we already have Disney owning like, what, 50% of everything related to film, comics and animation?

[@SJMediaVR]

i have been waiting for this one to hear about this strike from the actual behind the scenes folks

[@wanderingmoon9772]

You just blew my mind on that scanning the body thing. That is SO wrong and should be written into the contract. 😱😱🤯🤯🤯🤯

[@JamesEtallaz]

Hear me out. Time tiered streaming services. Like netflix as an example, on a monthly sub: -get 10 hours of streaming per for 9.99$ -get 20 hours of streaming per month for 18.99$ -get 50 hours of streaming for 29.99$. Do this across all streaming platforms, and the consumer could mix and match their subs depending on how many hours they want to spend on each. And the platforms in return would need to make calculated decisions in order to offer just the right content to their most valuable subscribers. It would also cut the content catalog substantially.

[@darkairieal]

Now that's a really interesting idea.

[@ethanrice1102]

only if they bring back dvd's

[@HYETUSENGINEER]

Great discussion!

[@JumperXxXCables]

So I have a question about something. Since Jorden is a member of SAG, when she is acting in one of your short films does she get the pay as an actress according to the union or is it in the contract that was signed when becoming an employee at Corridor? You don't have to answer if you don't want to. I was just curious.

[@BassicMD]

Thank you for talking about the strike and the complexities of it. I hear lots of people talking on the side of SAG and WGA talking about how they need to be paid for the work they do. So true! But I want to hear about what makes it more complex. Assuming that it’s more than just greedy, moustache twirling billionaires. Thanks for the convo and hope you dive into it more!

[@feelipeson]

Yeah, it's not, it's just the greed of the system. The WGA tried an agreement that would cost 75 mi a year for Disney to adjust, they refused, Disney profited 1.28 bi Jan - Mar 2023. And not even enter in the healm of AI that they clearly won't negotiate. One executive even said " The endgame is to allow things to drag on until union members start losing their apartments and losing their houses." Just to add a bit of color, the executives are just tools, millionaire tools but they can be replaced if they don't play the game. The shareholders the true billionaires can't. They pull the real strings, but they won't put their face in the negotiation, they need the profit so they can increase the value market of the company and more dummies put more money thinking they'll profit of that company. So yes, it is just a greed system problem, you can call it Finance capitalism, check all the major Media companies and you'll see that Vanguard and Blackrock( there are others as well but their the main ones) are the in the top 5 shareholders of almost all of them.

[@shawndeprey]

Dang it's crazy how much you can feel the worry. It's the same in all field at the moment. With current day AI tech we can maybe replace about 20% of software engineers(my field) just based on the supercharge in productivity the tech allows. (Please don't hate on the comment, I am just reporting what I see as a professional in the field and not saying I am for it or like the outcomes.)

[@pojo_quiet]

I think it's important to point out that, up until 2020, studios were not allowed to own movie theaters

[@dan25158]

This makes a good kick off for a continuation pod on this subject. Would be cool if they can get someone as a guest to speak about what's really happening with the strike and how ridiculous and absurd AMPTP is being. Perhaps they can get ....oh, let say...Kevin Smith on here...or his FatMan Beyond co host Marc Bernardin.

[@fredriklundvall1894]

For people to be willing to spend more money on their streaming platform, it has to be more adjustable to every persons taste. I pay to not see commercials, but I won't pay more than a movie worth for a month for the content on Netflix. I don't think there is enough paying viewers for all the different streaming platforms out there. I think we will see many of even the big ones getting gobbled up by the ones that survive.

[@lonestar98]

Griffin, grab the mic son, always interested in what you got to say

[@ginogarcia8730]

ah so true, music industry similar to now movie industry

[@TK_Brainslug]

another fun episode. Funny thing didn't Iger come out and said he wanted to strengthen the artists when he took over again from Chapek. Then weeks before the strike he said in an interview Marvel was diluting the brand by putting so many shows on streaming cause the movies are underperforming and now he is thinking about selling ABC

[@ynie1]

I think that was before Iger saw the Disney books and realized what kind of situation they were in. I don't think it helped that Elemental and Indiana Jones are going to lose around $500M.

[@Ravuun]

From my understanding of the VFX industry (much of my knowledge comes from previous Corridor Crew videos tbh), you could use a union yourselves. Sounds like a lot of overwork and exploitation goes on with you folks too. I will always support the workers, who have been getting exploited since Reagan.

[@MelbourneArchviz]

they will just outsource all the work to india where there are no unions

[@diegolomac]

​@UnrealSpaces how aren't editors and writers being outsourced, then? They've had unions for decades

[@Kaipotainment]

@@diegolomac For the most part on productions, it's more convenient to work with an editor who can be in the same room as the director, producers, etc... giving notes and getting quick feedback. I've seen smaller productions, like content creators, outsource their editing... as for writers, outsourcing would be hard since those individuals would also have to be on the same page with language and culture to quickly adjust what the production wants... And lastly, VFX industry is a lot newer than those two and really hasn't had the time to create a union to protect itself...

[@ElectroVenik90]

Wasn't the point of Netflix and the rest to basically replace cable? Not a US citizen, Google says cable costs anywhere from 55 to 250 bucks monthly. So it's Disney+, Netflix and HBO instead of cable TV. VoDs are obviously more expensive than cable to support, so economically it doesn't make sense for Netflix to cost less than 20$, but that's tech start up problem. Why it impacts film industry at all?

[@giosasso]

Streaming only works for Netflix. It was idiotic for every major studio to follow Netflix. It's not profitable. Too much "content" turns film and TV shows into disposable entertainment. Look at the music industry. Only the top 5% make good money, the rest starve. The day films and TV were referred to as content is the day the industry began to die. Growing up, I regarded film as art, and some still are (Oppenheimer) but these type of films are becoming uncommon. Content is another word for "disposable" and the entire industry has been diluted by a lot of content, which has cheapened the value of all TV and films. People are no longer willing to pay as much as they would ha e 10 years ago. The CEO's are responsible amd yet, they make many millions. They are ultimately to blame for playing Netflix's game. They lost. Film studios need to change the rules and create a single network where every studio can be accessed via one portal. New releases should be available for anyone to watch but everybody pays the same. In fact, you can watch a film like Oppenheimer on your phone or TV the day it's in the theater but you have to pay extra for the privilege. Just a couple of ideas. They need to change the rules of the game.

[@darthkrator9366]

Google conversion I always think about this stuff

[@kolspaz]

Fck it. Go back exclusively to cds, and dvds. Problem solved.

[@Saint_Sin]

Sometimes it really sounds like Jake is arguing against the strikes. People making a lot of money and others making much less than they used to. Seems a pretty straight forward issue to me.

[@howardbullows3717]

Agreed. The idea that studios can’t afford to properly pay workers is laughable. If the studios literally CAN’T pay a living wage with reasonable accommodations (big if), then yes, the film and television landscape will need to change drastically. But to suggest it’s the workers that’ll have to continue accepting less instead of the studio’s fundamentally changing their models seems pretty ignorant.

[@Saint_Sin]

​@@howardbullows3717 100% agree. If they cant afford to pay their workers they cant afford to be in the business. That simple really. They can join the thousands of other companies trying to break into said business with cheap alternatives but *that* is the economy of the situation. Not whatever Jake was pushing.

[@ynie1]

@@Saint_Sin I think that's part of the issue. The traditional model that the studios were working with is no longer viable in 95% of cases (movie theater, cable TV). So they're trying to copy Netflix. I suspect that they're not releasing the numbers on streaming because it would freak investors out and cause a negative swing in stock price. Remember, these executives answer to investors first.

[@Saint_Sin]

@@ynie1 Sounds to me like they should join the other companies trying to break into the business by cutting corners then. If they cant afford the labour, they cant build the house unless they do every single step themslves. That logic does not care if its part of the issue or not. Its going to exist either way.

[@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551]

this is his lawyer side getting out, those half-baked takes of "maybe we need to see the economics of the industry" gave me a sour taste, tbh.

[@Slgjgnz]

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[@ANYOTHERJAY]

Listening to Porch lit by DJ BS

[@cdmassey987]

43:00 minutes I would rather do that. Pay a slightly higher premium for content I know I will consume rather than a lower price for everything under the sun

[@danielsteffee7957]

I wonder: Is there a fundamental difference between Apple TV and the hypothetical Walmart TV? Or are they the same?

[@maxinoume]

They would be the same. Their point is that the companies that are ONLY streaming services (like Hulu and Netflix) will shut down because the model is not profitable but big conglomerates will be able to keep streaming (like Apple TV, Amazon Prime, and the hypothetical Walmart TV).

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

@@maxinoumeWalmart didn’t want to take the plunge it was the reason they sold Vudu

[@obsidian....]

31:59 "Idiocracy" following through once again. I hope that movie didn't predict everything

[@tickedoffllama]

Idiocracy gets thrown around a lot, but Idiocracy is a world of ANTI-intellectualism. We live in a world of PSEUDO intellectualism. intelligence isn't mocked, its faked for credibility

[@Silvergum]

I am in support of these unions of course and unions in general, not to downplay this event at all but as I understand these Hollywood unions are basically the only unions that have any power in the states, I feel like entire American workforce has been getting fucked over for a long time now, Unions were quashed everywhere and continually stomped down to prevent growth here in Australia one of our major parties is built from labor unions, they've done a lot of good for us when they can but we are still under the thumb of foreign interest

[@ynie1]

Not necessarily, the Teamsters Union, which represents delivery drivers, just struck a deal with UPS. The workers got about $30 billion in increased pay; for full-time union workers, that's a pay of $49/hour.

[@Silvergum]

@@ynie1 hey that's good to hear, yeah I don't know too much, just know that big public companies will generally treat their employees like slaves

[@WhyteLis21]

I'm curious why they talk about economics of the entertainment industry, its rules, its business models. Yet, there are still people who's out there willing to paid millions $$$ for artist's paints or other works, regardless, when it's from, an individual or companies. It may not be in the same category as a tv/film writers, actors, musicians, video game developers, dancers or even book writers. But, I find it hard to believe, there's not enough $$$ or a solid good wage to live on or go around for everyone in this industry. Even, when all the shareholders, overheads, executives, producers, get their cut back or paid off with these companies. Someone is always profiting more over others, its seem. We human like to share. But, definitely, not all of it, in my eyes. Lol.

[@Oldman78]

I guess I'm really old am I supposed to no these people. If they lose you don't think KZbin isn't looking at it and saying to them selfies. Ok if corpo wins how can we use ai to get read of every one on the Internet in KZbin and all the play forms online.

[@michaelluong6484]

Been wondering how the strikes have or will impact Corridor...

[@attaboyBrad]

This episode is a high-school level discussion where the "Debate Me Bro" seems to mistake asserting pat, rehearsed priors over a deeply unprepared opposition for hashtag Winning. The impact of Generative AI and streaming on legacy media business models (as well as Corridor's) is a genuinely complex and uncertain issue that merits more expert espousal from all perspectives than can be had here. This Podcast is best when its panel discusses those things within their daily professional expertise--I think this episode could have been better if it focused narrowly on each persons expectations and hopes around their own career trajectory as it may be impacted by AI and the broader media distribution business. As it is, I don't think any argument was particularly well represented. I think the closest glimpse to an interesting moment was hearing Jordan's personal experience around how auditioning has changed.

[@howardbullows3717]

Pretty disappointed with the conversation. I understand that Ren, Niko, and Sam were probably not available for this conversation, but it’s an important topic that maybe should have waited until one or all of them were available to talk.

[@attaboyBrad]

@@howardbullows3717 I think they had Jordan on (and perhaps the rest as well) because they were the crew members that are also members of the labor unions involved. I understand the instinct, but "having skin in the game" does not make one expert in the game at hand. I'm not sure Ren/Niko/Sam would have had much more to contribute in this regard--and perhaps less. I have friends who drive for UPS, and these particular friends are also just about the *last* people I would turn to for an informed discussion on their union's negotiations or the macro-economic forces affecting the delivery and logistics industry.

[@MelbourneArchviz]

if you drink every time she says like you will be minecrafted.

[@schuylerkessler2459]

Doesn’t Walmart own Vudu?

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

Not since two years ago

[@matthewrosborough2705]

i hate the "hold people accountable with your money" argument. i have never once had netflix or logged in with anyone else's password. none of that. i garuntee im not influencing shit as far corporate netflix is concerned. sure if maybe everyone did the same something would change, but me not spending money has no influence on that.

[@SJMediaVR]

I wish these same SAG actors and members cared this much when they were all using Apps and such that made them a FX artist or a Editor, and all us editors and FX artist freelancers started losing our gigs.

[@gabrielsatter]

How'd I guess Jake would argue for the owners, lol?

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

What did you take issue with?

[@techgoggles]

Due to the strike vfx artist around the world are loosing money, vfx and cgi work is not unionised. Pretty sure writer and actors know about this but their is no talk about them. They are like pay us first then fk the rest later. If they want this to be bigger they need to be talking to smaller to mid size studios around the world. I was paid $150 a month with no it for basically 12-14 hour work days for vfx in India and that is still the starting salary there.

[@obsidian....]

This isn't even talking about Plex and the like... Which is crazy

[@ericmatthews9799]

Maybe the reason why CEO's get paid so much is because "no one wants the job".. it used to be a stressful job, but paid off from time to time.. (with an artistic winner) now trying to please anyone..

[@Same1673]

Movie stream and AI is here to STAY will get more powerful, writer and Actors will be replaced even if a deal is struck they will fade away. You can’t bring back Polaroid cameras, VHS or blockbuster rental. This is the beginning of the end. We’re all one day will watch a movie that we told AI to create from our tv and will be able to share, and get paid by how many views and those movies will look as good as the one Hollywood creates today .

[@pulpted9937]

I disagree with your point on AI. I’ll use what you just said with Polaroids. While the technology itself is gone, the camera didn’t set itself up and didn’t press the shutter. In fact, that instant gratification of having an image in your hand is still the same with the iPhone camera. An AI can write a script, but it will never have the human perspective or quality that people remember. AI is a good tool that will evolve, but in no way will it replace quality.

[@Same1673]

@@pulpted9937when was the last time you went to Walgreens and handed SOMEONE a film to develop

[@FlightlessProd]

I personally miss the experience of watching a movie with hundreds of other people. I miss feeling the energy of the room and hearing others emote at what is going on in front of them. It's a shared human experience that we've lost since streaming and the days pre pandemic. There's a bigger thing going on here and it's all about keeping us separated as a society and keeping us individually entertained while removing the things that make us engage as humans together. There's a lack of shared experiential opportunities out there, and we have to find a way to get back to it. Humans need interaction whether you're an introvert or not.

[@personzorz]

Everything Everywhere All At Once last year was the second most packed and engaged theater I've ever been in

[@FlightlessProd]

@@personzorz that's the kind of thing I'm talking about - you don't get that at home and I honestly miss it.

[@rickys7883]

I haven't finished watching the full video but I have to say, it's nice to see Jake in his element.

[@peterpain6625]

What's wrong with paying the people actually doing the work creating the content you sell a living wage? Is that "unamerican" when people don't have a second or third job to buy groceries and keep the power on? Let alone basic medical and social services? I don't get it. This "I got mine! How dare you want the same! Fudge off!"-mentality is kinda nauseating...

[@pathologicaldoubt]

Jordan is so gorgeous 😩

[@atomsofstardust]

Jake’s argument that it’s hard economically for everyone, meaning studios and producers included is a flawed one, I think. It was them who decided to jump into streaming models without properly calculating the possible outcomes, it’s not the fault of writers or actors. It is also studios and producers who continually make $200-300M garbage flops filled with misandry and “the message”, ruining every franchise out there, I can bet that producers and studios have A LOT to say when making such movies. Maybe start hiring better writers, stop influencing them, and CRAZY IDEA, stop making those giant movies. Make 6 $50M movies instead of one Indiana Flop.

[@howardbullows3717]

Couldn’t agree more

[@a.w_.]

“Misandry” come on brother

[@chrisbach8142]

To add to this, it’s very hard to argue that the studio is being hurt financially when they keep giving their CEOs and other executives +$10 million BONUSES.

[@atomsofstardust]

@@a.w_. Yes, misandry, and blatant at that. Wanna argue with it? Let’s go: Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Barbie, Witcher, The rings of power, Charlie’s Angels (remake), the list goes on and on nowadays. Most men are portrayed as either jaded ppl who wanna die, as sexist “patriarchs”, or as absolutely braindead NPCs, while women are always the smartest know it all, can do it all in the room.

[@Jazmunky]

@@atomsofstardust do you perhaps think there's an irony to men incessantly complaining that men are being portrayed as jaded and NPCs

[@Same1673]

Anyone who think’s Hollywood will be around in 10 years have no clue about AI

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

Lol the irony in your comment is hilarious. You have no clue

[@tickedoffllama]

God i can not stand libertarians discussing the economy. The studios aren't GIVING the workers anything. The workers MAKE THE VALUE. Its THEIR money!

[@adamdymke8004]

The Chinese have a saying: "Good people get cheated like good horses get ridden."

[@howardbullows3717]

Thanks for posting these comments ❤

[@thaBigGENERAL]

Yep, Excruciating watch

[@ericmatthews9799]

Ah.. The studio's and the worker's are on the same side.. Their probably not voting Libertarian!

[@howardbullows3717]

Pretty disappointing podcast but appreciate you having the conversation. Feel like this would have been more nuanced with Ren, Sam, and/or Niko.

[@catfishcooler1566]

Gate-keeping unions like SAG-AFTRA and WGA are disgusting. The failure of these strikes is essential to the future of filmmaking.

[@MaximusTheChosenOne]

What?

[@porfiriodiazcarrillo7551]

this episode felt like a "we nedd to say something" rather than had a genuine conversation about the strikes. it felt very consecending and sometimes tone deaft. i hope the next episode will include people that is currently being affected by the negotiations and give more nuance to the conversation.

[@Cichlidman]

Guy in the top left really sounds like he doesn’t know what the heck is going on and just really sound ignorant

[@mrskate7771]

This a great opportunity for new writers to show up

[@LongSeanSilver]

Except they'd actively hurt their future bargaining power, they'd actively hurt the people that are fighting for the best interest, and when the strike ends (with the writers and actors 100% getting their demands) they'll either be fired or blacklisted from the union and future union work. If rich asshole Hollywood producers could make movies without workers in unions, they would. But they cant, because their entire business revenue is generated by the union members.

[@robertanderson866]

Jordan is gorgeous

[@a.w_.]

Both Jordans are tbh

[@tenorsaxophone2012]

​@@a.w_.The correct answer

[@LSCSATX]

Jordan is my future ex wife 🫶🏼

[@treyjordan1284]

dude what 💀

[@therealOXOC]

It's so much fun to watch it all burn.