Christopher Hitchens vs. Jordan Peterson | Debating about Religion, Morality, & Culture

Christopher Hitchens debates Jordan Peterson on religion, morality, and culture. Will Christopher Hitchens hitchslap Jordan Peterson and demonstrate that religion poisons everything, or will Dr. Peterson show how religion is the foundation of morality, art, and culture and without it society would be lost?
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[@HolyKoolaid]

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[@johnmalsantri1026]

I see you and Mouthy Buddha are still licking your wounds. Why don't you have another debate with Distributist and company?

[@PariahQuail]

Loved this thank you

[@vestafreyja]

Every time I heard Jordan Peterson he reminds me of Presto Salad Shooters for all the word salad he spouts.

[@SamTheMan]

You put JW Black, not Blue, on the table next to Christopher!?!?! I'm sure he's rolling, right now!!! ;-)

[@musicmaster555]

Still makes me happy that you were awesome enough to read my message and make this video :) You rock man!

[@HolyKoolaid]

This video has been six months in the making. After sifting through hundreds of hours of Hitchens and Peterson, and dozens of hours of editing, it's finally done. Unfortunately, I still messed up the video at 23:11 (there are a few seconds of just a black screen), but I don't have the time or internet speed at the moment to re-export and re-upload. Sorry about that. :(

[@rencion2885]

All good bro! You're awesome!

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

No no, see, you need to add a few more on your next few videos so people believe it has some kind of meaning and will spend years trying to decipher it.

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

It's a fantastic effort, very much appreciated. Been catching up on Hitchens recently, thank you for resurrecting him! :-)

[@terrym45]

Hey Great work really like this

[@jg3865]

You did a fantastic job Thomas. I love Hitchens. I know he is gone, however he lives on through his books & videos. I think the animated Hitchens is awesome!

[@MrElionor]

There is no better way to show how basic Peterson is then by showing that everything he is saying has already been countered by someone who has been dead for nearly a decade

[@BlackEpyon]

Pretty much every argument advanced by religion falls under that purview, yet we keep having to repeat ourselves.

[@punkisinthedetails1470]

bahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahha

[@rileyboomer8627]

MrElionor oof solid point

[@jebemtigolaz]

@@BlackEpyon Well, the religious like Goering style of propaganda in hopes that "repeat lies until they sound true" will play out in their favour. It just further cements the notion that they're dishonest and hypocritical.

[@markmacdonald3260]

Both Hitchens and Peterson would agree with each other on everything other than religion.

[@jaydon225]

God is not great, but Christopher Hitchens was! Super intelligent, articulate, clear as day in making his points. Sorely missed as ever. Fantastic video, Thomas! All the way from Nigeria. 👏🏾💚

[@chefman1966]

Then he has passed the torch to us, it's time to rise to the challenge and continue where he left off. Agreed?

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Christopher Lucas Start with tearing Sam Harris a new one for giving Charles Murray a platform and credit.....

[@stylis666]

@@chefman1966 Very much agreed. We stand on the shoulders of giants. We don't all have to realize and honour that, but I very much want to. I am so grateful to be alive in a time where a firm start to end dogma and superstition has been made. I want our children to be free and not just a handful of people like myself and some other privileged people in secular neighbourhoods where superstition is laughed at and unfair treatment of people is met with hostility, but everyone, everywhere. Feeling safe in my home, in my atheism, free to make informed, mutually enthusiastic consensual love - it's a mouthful and we haven't even begun with the foreplay yet :p - to whomever I like and then hearing about little girls being sold as sexslaves makes me very aware that my freedom isn't enough, it's only the effect of the beginning of the great emancipation that enlightenment has started.

[@JustN0tMe]

Atheist from Nigeria😨...thats bravery I hope Boko Haram doesnt get you

[@Einherji81]

@@gorillaguerillaDK you are the problem, if you cant fight bad ideas with discussion you are no better than the fascist

[@heykak]

holy fuck, just compare the "level" of language use... its clear that hitchens understands, and realises, how simple the situation is, because he doesnt need to mention the metaphysical substrate of the western european psychological pathologism to explain his point...

[@rachelslur8729]

@Donald Trump *Say that again, but slowly.*

[@nichoudha]

@TheCosmicWarrior Hitchens will go down as one of the most brilliant minds in world history.

[@kosztaz87]

@TheCosmicWarrior Yeah, keep smiling.

[@MoonShadeStuff]

@TheCosmicWarrior no arguments? Just going with "uneducated drunken bum"? Alrighty then, nothing to convince me of your position here I guess. What is the purpose of your comments, to tell others that you don't like him? Ok, well you did that.

[@MoonShadeStuff]

@TheCosmicWarrior Still no coherent argument, try again. He lies about what exactly, is there a source I can look up in support of this, etc.

[@bhabeshbhabisnu6628]

Oh my god! Hitchens is back from the dead. Lets all pray and thank God

[@HolyKoolaid]

People: "Thank God!" Hitchens: "You're welcome."

[@aramsohigian2166]

@@HolyKoolaid Wins the internets with that comment! I shared one of your posts and wrote, "I'd say RIP Hitchens, but he's dust and would have slapped me for doing that if he could." ;-) Keep up the great work, Holy Koolaid!

[@ravenvalentine4919]

i think he will have a say in that xD

[@ArbyRadio]

If Hitchens himself had returned from the dead for real, even he would be telling you to look for another more likely explanation! :P

[@stylis666]

@@ArbyRadio That, or what Holy Koolaid said. He has responded with either. For the rest he mumbled a lot and I am super grateful for the auto subtitles :p Al though you still have to listen or you'll find words like _disgrace_ titled as _is great._ Luckily I'm not a computer and I can hear the context. But I think it's evident that the computer agrees with me that Hitchens didn't pronounce very clearly :p I'd like to thank Holy Koolaid for resurrecting the true messiah, even for just a moment :D It's wonderful to remember why we love him so much.

[@ZenBearV13]

Peterson says the atheist pundits haven’t addressed the heavy hitters like Dostoyevsky, yet to my knowledge Pete has never addressed the heavy hitter that is Hitchens who numerously referenced Dostoyevsky’s work. Shameless hypocrisy.

[@pimpintoads5871]

Ha, hitch is a dumbass

[@ZenBearV13]

TheCosmicWarrior you misspelled Peterson

[@ZenBearV13]

TheCosmicWarrior gotta fix that autocorrect, bud

[@TheUrbanSimian]

@@ZenBearV13 I find it funny that neither side sees that they're just 2 silly cults of personality that ultimately do nothing in the world at large

[@yazminrobinson1184]

LTC religion is a cult of personality, atheism is just the rejection of gods and supernatural because there’s no evidence and reason to believe in them, that is all that is, there’s no atheists that killed in the name of their beliefs.

[@jaskiratsingh5218]

Interviewer: Dr. Peterson, do you think there is a water crisis? JP: "Well, it depends on what you mean by 'water'? You have to understand that hydrogen and oxygen atoms are ordered in a hierarchical order. I need about 2 hours to answer your question."

[@letsomethingshine]

Not to mention what you mean by "crisis"

[@Persian-Immortal]

I think JP would laugh at that joke. But he can take on those thug's at the BBC during interviews.

[@christianosminroden7878]

I can only guess what you’re referring to, but if do so correctly, that interview was hardly a benchmark for anything, except in a very backwards way; that was simply the single poorest performance delivered by a high profile interviewer I‘ve ever seen. Shooting her out of the water - and he certainly did, no question there - in that interview wasn‘t in any way evidence in favor of JP’s intellect. She basically put on a bomb belt and handed him the trigger. It was the bare minimum, at least for a trained debater and especially a psychology professor.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@Persian-Immortal It was one woman on Channel 4. Granted, she hadn't done much research, but he still ended up looking a tosser.

[@buckeyeslim6177]

😂😂😂🤣

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

My metaphorical substrate is ready.

[@stylis666]

You have a very nice picture of the anus. I'm just an artificially rendered flaming ball. I'm kind of jealous now.

[@Arphemius]

I miss Hitch.

[@HolyKoolaid]

Ditto.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

Yeah. Me too. All thing must end. That's just the way the universe works.

[@davidhenderson5051]

Dont we all Arphemius!!

[@mistylover2082]

@@PaulTheSkeptic why can't the GOD belief do the same 🤔😏

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

@@mistylover2082 🤣 Lol. That's true. I should've said "All good things must end."

[@rayflyers]

How many other KZbinrs bring people back from the dead? That's gotta be worth a sub.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

RayFlyer Almost worthy of a new religion.... 😈😜😂

[@oxcart4172]

U don't being anyone back to life by stabbing!

[@jilliansmith7123]

David Baker: sub=subscribing You might bring someone back by stabbing them in the heart with a needle full of the right medicine to bring them back, though.

[@oxcart4172]

@@jilliansmith7123 Good point, but that's an injection as far as I'm concerned!

[@jilliansmith7123]

David Baker: Sure. That'd be the usual term for it. Just funning with you. Word play. Of course "stabbing" won't bring anyone back.

[@mikefjvk4256]

Are you a Christian? Peterson: Yes Do you believe in Jesus' resurrection? Also Peterson: I'm agnostic about it

[@Enragedguy24]

And then he quotes Nietzsche "There was only ever one Christian and he died on the cross". I don't get how it makes sens to him in his head. And I don't get why he is defended for thinking like this. His being right on other topics and in other conceptual and academic spheres does not excuse his vehement wrongness here.

[@mikefjvk4256]

@@Enragedguy24 and let's not forget about the time when he "implied" that the Chinese discovered the DNA before the 20th century 😂

[@Enragedguy24]

@@mikefjvk4256 Yeah, that's him being wrong on snake-fucking-mating. That was the strongest case of confirmation bias, and the most glaring unwillingness to use Occam's razor I have ever seen: "Well either these people saw two snakes mating, ... or, or, OR they witnessed their own programming whilst high on God-planted shrooms! YES!" Come on! It's sad to see that, genuinely, as I like the attention he brings to crucial issues and the order he brings into some spheres of total madness, and new popularity he brought to some of my favorite books. But this... this is a mistake an undergrad might be able to avoid... should be able to avoid.

[@mikefjvk4256]

@@Enragedguy24 Omg dude, that was some Erich von Däniken shit. No shade to Daniken, I've actually read his books 😂👌

[@KaiHenningsen]

@@Enragedguy24 _His being right on other topics_ Oh? Do tell.

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

The Hitch continues to deliver the slaps even beyond the grave.

[@bliepblooper2555]

And his slaps resonate forever

[@PaulTheSkeptic]

@Leonardo's Truth Hell? That place you made up that contradicts the idea of an all loving god? How do you know he's there? Maybe he's in Valhalla? Maybe he's been reincarnated. Or maybe dying means dying and he's just dead. I know it's a drag that you'll cease to exist but what you want to be true and what is true are two different things.

[@PopCultureFan_]

The hitch grave slap!...

[@PopCultureFan_]

@Leonardo's Truth LOL

[@8Namaste]

I miss him still! (And I believe in God......just not the God of religion but God before man got hold of the concept and turned religion into, "My God is better than your God!"

[@ShannonGrover]

"It is our *right* to be exempt from [religion]." Excellent. Absolutely excellent.

[@gandharvagrover8396]

Grover you are right...

[@letsomethingshine]

Instead, religion is tax-exempt (a special privilege) merely for being one of the various State-accepted religions.

[@Yoohoo2949]

It is your right to exempt yourself from breathing, but you do it because it is best for you. Same with God.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

JP is the king of saying the least, with the most amount of words.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

He says nothing while saying a shit ton of words

[@HolyKoolaid]

I understand that he wants to be accurate with his words, but he's so verbose that he tends to obfuscate.

[@LogicAndReason2025]

@@HolyKoolaid "...tends to obfuscate."? That's like saying the sun "tends to" be warm. ;-)

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@HolyKoolaid I'd disagree with you on him wanting to be accurate. He simply wants to obfuscate by using word salad. As an example his description of if what an atheist would be like would fly over the vast majority of people's heads. He uses long stories that most have probably never read to describe someone. I would guess the "average" person probably has no clue to what he is talking about. I would also guess a lot of his followers would go with the " he sounds" smart so he must be right from of logic

[@stephannaro2113]

@@HolyKoolaid He puts on a _show_ of wanting to be accurate.

[@doubleirishdutchsandwich4740]

On Russia Hitchens: Here are facts and history of russia Peterson: Here is a fictional story written by a russian

[@cosmicjive4746]

Peterson gives you a human experience in Russia at the time, which is almost a better way to relate the human condition. Not really the same thing my dude.

[@Snardvark25]

Cosmic Jive it’s a singular opinion. May be better at relating the human condition relative to him but can’t be extrapolated to encompass the whole geopolitical reality.

[@cosmicjive4746]

Max Fritze they are both presenting facts, just in a different way. I love both of them, they both contribute a great deal to society in my opinion. Who cares if they do it differently, they both obviously know what they are talking about.

[@TheBlackguard]

@@cosmicjive4746 I would never call a fictional story a basis for fact. But then again Peterson does believe in god, so...

[@cosmicjive4746]

The Blackguard are you talking about the gulag archipelago? And I don’t think he believes in the normal god per se. He always asks “what do you mean by god”, meaning he obviously needs you to clear up what you mean by it. That term can mean a lot of different things. Just replace it with the inevitable and it works fine, so I would bet he doesn’t believe in the god the Bible prescribes.

[@loriw2661]

That was amazing “Holy Koolaide”. It took a long time and a lot of work, piecing all that together. I’ve seen where Hitch has said every one of those things and it’s so cool to see/hear it compressed into a half an hour like this. Well done!

[@HolyKoolaid]

Thanks!

[@drooghead]

Perterson speaks to obfuscate, Hitchens speaks to communicate. Peterson is not as smart as he thinks is, Hitchens was smarter than any Christian he came up against.

[@MuttFitness]

Well put

[@jake9674]

What qualifies you to judge this?

[@garethbaus5471]

I doubt Hitchens is smarter than every Christian he has debated, he just argues the easier side to argue.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

@@garethbaus5471 Which makes him the cleverer one.

[@julianmorrisco]

Exactly right. Peterson is definitely not as smart as he thinks he is. Although I suspect he has doubts as only someone who secretly doubts their intellect goes around quoting their IQ test results.

[@vicquinonez1966]

Peterson: I am a Christian. Me: Do you personally believe Jesus is a real person, savior of humanity, and the son of god? Peterson: That'll take me over two hours to answer. Me: 😩

[@Don-md6wn]

Peterson's cult if you listen to his 2 hour response and ever try to summarize it in the future: "You're taking him out of context!"

[@dylancoleman1921]

He has an hour long video about whether he believes in god or not. He won’t nail himself to the cross with a one word answer (yes or no) or even just say I don’t know.

[@ManicPandaz]

Brilliant! Even being 6 feet under, Hitchens towers over Peterson’s simplistic logic and humanity.

[@jamierichardson7683]

And 3 years on he shows himself to have very little humanity at all

[@tdtexas1934]

Thanks. I find JP not worth any real time. He has taken word salad to an art form.

[@GrammeStudio]

Deepak Chopra 2.0

[@rodbrickmaker4711]

Completely agree. He says a whole lot without saying anything

[@Azozeo]

Hitch, For the win. 🥃

[@badgerbush3556]

Cheers 🍻 Johnny walker back anyone?

[@vancepalizzi6701]

Thank you for making this. Everyone, but especially the Cult of Peterson needs to see this video.

[@LaughinLoneStar]

So many incels torn between Trump and Peterson right now.

[@lloydchristmas4547]

@@LaughinLoneStar 🤣

[@roygossjr]

I don’t understand the fascination with JP.

[@roygossjr]

DV but I am an asshole. 🤣

[@Enragedguy24]

He's reasonable on most everything except this... and pairing snakes... and psilocybin studies... and definitions of words integral to his arguments

[@aramsohigian2166]

@@roygossjr Thanks for making me laugh...even more so than JP trying to sound intelligent and "rational" during this video.

[@marcodiaz6124]

He’s great when it comes to the topic of politics for the most part as well as psychology, but utter garbage when it comes to religion and theology

[@theyoutubeanalyst3731]

He's a smart man... But I think some people like to have an educated man to resort to in order to justify their controversial and sometimes bigoted ideas.

[@jmaniak1]

Peterson’s special talent is sounding intelligent. When he speaks I hear noise but nothing of value.

[@bashsibda6289]

jmaniak1 But I liked his take on Pinocchio and Peter Pan. He should stick to that.

[@flipgsp]

I'm atheist and hear plenty of value , even in things I disagree with.

[@stylis666]

@@flipgsp You're right. I was listening to the water boil earlier and I heard plenty of things of value, like the clock, the wind through the trees, a stray fly in my kitchen that made an echo when it moved between to cupboards and the reduction in noise when the water was actually boiling. It was inspiring and thought evoking. Seems valuable to me, but informative? Not so much. Listening to Peterson is like that, empty. Any value you get came from yourself. You don't need Peterson for that. Any of the other ~7.5 billion people can replace him and probably give more value. A goldfish will probably give you more value.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

@@flipgsp it seems that way, but that's JPs specialty. Sounding like he's saying something smart when he's not.

[@eyeam9305]

Jordan Peterson's claims confirmed by expert neuroscientists! kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXO6iamCiJqZrLc

[@ryanjapan3113]

Between Hitchens and Peterson I may have to side with with hitchens

[@Ironysandwich]

Between a jar of pickles and Peterson I would likely have to side with the jar of pickles.

[@Buliwyf]

Between literal Cancer arguing every should get cancer and Peterson I would have to side with cancer.

[@pullybungieharder]

They were never on opposite "sides". The deliberate projection of Peterson's worlds as counter to Hitchens, when Peterson was actually dealing with a very different argument, is misleading and disingenuous. In conversations where the actual *question* can be heard, he responds very carefully to the *question* and explores the implications of the answer. Hitchens exposed why the foundations of the question were fraudulent. I suspect that the real Jordan Peterson respected Hitchens's work, and hope that Hitchens would have respected Peterson's work standing up to thought control from the "enlightened".

[@Ironysandwich]

@@pullybungieharder Can you state, explicitly and in detail, exactly which parts of Perterson's words were misleading?

[@BoutYoungAnnaLee]

@Avoozl you’re the one with the problem mate. Believe me.

[@goldenskeptic6309]

There will never be another like the great Hitch. But at least you tube will let the echoes of Hitchins intellect live on.

[@burnttoast111]

I think there will be better. While Hitchens said some brilliant things, he wasn't perfect. He was also a bigot. The deification of Hitch is more than a little strange.

[@drlegendre]

@Burnt Toast Equal-opportunity bigot.

[@burnttoast111]

@@drlegendre "Equal-opportunity bigot." Meaning?

[@burnttoast111]

@TheCosmicWarrior "Relatively uneducated, lying bigots like Hitchens are common in the atheist community." Are you are embarrassed by what you say? Or do you truly lack any awareness of what sort of theist communities exist? Which is it? Also, there is no singular atheist community, just like there is no singular theist community. When atheists organize into communities, they almost always organize around the things they do believe or value - and these things vary widely - just like with theists. More than anything, you have simply demonstrated your own bigotry here. Well done.

[@DangerMouse62]

Thank God.

[@micap002]

Hitchens, a man dead for 8 years, can argue with Peterson. Wow. Now I know they cannot properly discuss but still, it shows that at least some of Peterson's ideas are nothing new.

[@stylis666]

It really does show that Peterson just repackages old debunked shit and I loved seeing how it was already debunked a lonnnnng ass time ago.

[@nichoudha]

@TheCosmicWarrior What did Hitchens repackage?

[@nathanjora7627]

TheCosmicWarrior Except not, he often changed what he said depending on the religion of his opponent. And when he cited he same stuff, it was often for the good reason that his opponent spouted the same thing as so many other before him.

[@DPK365]

Damn I wish this could really happen.....Petersen would be destroyed! I can't imagine how much time it took you to do this...great work!

[@nelliedean7088]

I respect both of them being brought up as an atheist I am fascinated by JPs interpretation of the bible stories. I don’t see them as opposites.

[@DPK365]

I think Petersen has some interesting points in other avenues, but on religion I think he is doing some serious mental gymnastics and/or trying to sound like a revolutionary on the topic or something. Either way it just doesn't make sense.

[@nelliedean7088]

JP equates atheism with nihilism doesn’t he? That’s a mistake I think that Atheism always leads to a lack of meaning.

[@nelliedean7088]

Botond Hetyey I agree that’s a very interesting point nihilism versus atheism as they are certainly different.

[@deadpiratetattoo2015]

Hitch wouldn't waste his time on this hack.

[@timothyday5187]

I found this comment in another video but I'll just share it: Me: "Dr. Peterson, I have a ques..." JP: "Raskolnikov from Crime and Punishment."

[@MagereHein]

It's quite enlightening that mr P. uses a fictional character to make a point about atheist morality, rather than a real person. I suppose he should read less and listen more.

[@keyvet]

And Carl Jung

[@michaeld4861]

@@MagereHein Hahaha so true.... out of the billions of people that have lived (and still live) he can only think of someone who was never alive as his example? "Raskolnikov is the perfect atheist because he murdered people and I can use his example against you (even if it's made up) but if you dare bring up a pope that's a pedophile I can discount it as the fallibility of the human mind" plus the metaphorical substrate

[@mr.grimstone7159]

@@michaeld4861 what's worse is that Raskolnikov wasn't even an atheist, he was a devil worshipper! Said character explicitly says that he killed her because the devil told him to. And yet both Dostoevsky and Peterson think that makes him an atheist, which shows that neither of them understand what an atheist is.

[@mr.grimstone7159]

@@michaeld4861 in other words, Raskolnikov's reason for doing what he did in "crime and punishment" is *"the devil made me do it!"* , a.k.a the most basic Christian excuse when they commit a crime!

[@kosztaz87]

I saw this video before, but came across it again and had to have a "refresher" watch. I can't even imagine how much work it must have taken to put this together into such a coherent clip. Amazing job dude.

[@NovasYouTubeName]

Great comment, it’s about the work put in not starting a debate about the content in it which I appreciate 👍🏼. I also agree he did a great jon

[@dzhodzho8270]

Hitchens vs Peterson? Hitchens beats Lobster Man Peterson anytime.

[@nathanmckenzie904]

I disagree.. Hitch would have never wasted his time with Peterson since he actually never answers a question

[@dzhodzho8270]

@@nathanmckenzie904 If because Peterson likes the sound of his own voice?

[@nathanmckenzie904]

@@dzhodzho8270 its quite possible

[@jrasicmark1]

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but what is the significance of the lobster? Has Peterson somehow used an argument that states that a lobster is somehow proof of god? Or that god really is a lobster? ;D

[@soulstealer5625]

jrasicmark1 can’t remember the exact details but Peterson obsessed over lobster society and how it should be a model for humanity in his book. He also fell back on it a lot to use for metaphors.

[@ruinparadox4812]

Hitchens: I have ended world hunger. Peterson: You are so holy! Hitchens: I am also an atheist. Peterson: BE GONE YOU SPAWN OF HELL!!!

[@rileyboomer8627]

Ruinparadox Animations nah Peterson would say Christopher is not really an atheist, but getting around the issue as a while saying that no one is his version of ‘atheist’ rending his own points if nothing else, entirely useless.

[@cosmicjive4746]

Peterson doesn’t have any hatred for atheists, what are you talking about? His point is that our culture is kind of based on Judaism and Christianity. You can disagree with him, but he doesn’t have a problem with atheism he has debated a Christian as an atheist. Watch more videos.

[@jaridevlieghere4263]

@@cosmicjive4746 if I recall correctly in one of his talks to Sam Harris he says that Atheist are evil.

[@cosmicjive4746]

jari devlieghere that seems a bit out of context, in the first or second talk? And at what time?

[@jaridevlieghere4263]

@@cosmicjive4746 it was vs Matt, during the QA where he responds the same as was said in this video. Saying we're basically murderers.

[@svendtang5432]

Damn I miss Hitchens... I actually thought that Jordan had something important to say.. But after his pragerU stunt I lost it.. No sane professional should associate themselves with pragerU

[@maybepriyansh9193]

what is it about prageru and jp,if u could tell me as I dont know anything abt prageru

[@Amazistringsmusic]

Don't be dumb. Peterson is not a god and I am in the Hitchens camp, but that doesn't automatically discredit anything or everything he says. There's a middle ground there, Peterson is a very bright man. Him being wrong on something doesn't mean he's wrong on everything.

[@letsomethingshine]

@@maybepriyansh9193 They both exploit the emotions of people. PragerU is a propaganda youtube channel from a politically conservative (money/strick 80's culture) Jew. JP is a largely politically conservative Canadian who said a named prawn study was about lobsters (as models for human society?) to sell a book.

[@nathanjora7627]

letsomethingshine Just a thing on the prawn : not an expert on Peterson, not a fan either (I mainly know him from his religious... debacles), but as far as I understand from what I’ve heard him say about these isn’t that any animal *should* be used as a model for society, he says that because we’re ourselves a product of evolution, we have inherited from our evolutionary history behaviors and beliefs/belief forming structures, and behavior forming structure, that are an extension of what we find in the rest of the animal realm. And the lobsters were merely an illustration of that. And, as far as I know, it’s true (not the particular lobster example, the general gist of what the lobster was an example of), there are obvious connections between many social and psychological phenomenon that find their origin, or likely find their origin, in the selective pressures that our ancestors were subject too.

[@BoutYoungAnnaLee]

@@letsomethingshine if that is how you see the situation then you clearly need to go back to school and ask your teacher about non biased critical thinking.

[@TheSkyWhale]

I have always wondered what a conversation between these two would be like. Thank you for providing us the possibility for what it would be like

[@RoadRunner217]

Matt Dillahunty in the audience! :,D Good job man, great work. Hitchslapping from beyond the grave. I miss him. I'm with Ricky Gervais, when he said: "The one person I'd like most to bring back from the dead, is Hitch." in his talk with Sam Harris.

[@Don-md6wn]

Ricky Gervais talking with Sam Harris is confirmation of my decision to quit paying attention to him.

[@tommiatkins3443]

Someone recommended this debate as one where Peterson had easily defeated hitch. Having watched it, Hitch murdered him without getting out of his chair.

[@diegosanchez894]

"It depends on what you mean by Jesus" never gets old.

[@DANGER10101]

It depends on what you mean by " why don't you just buy a dictionary"

[@Funnysterste]

Am I the only one who thinks that Peterson is a little soft in the head?

[@Enragedguy24]

He seems strongly biased, perhaps to the point of wishful thinking when it comes to religion. He takes Jungian theory a step or two too far and his use of words that are crucial to his arguments can be (though only when it comes to religion again) wastefully counterproductive at best and obfuscating at worst. But other than that he has demonstrated himself to be everything but soft in the head. Though to be fair you could find a flaw or two of equal (perhaps often mildly lesser) quality in every major public intellectual figure.

[@nobody8328]

I actually think Peterson is brilliant. Hear me out here... He has figured out how to appeal to an overlooked section of western society- outcast young men. By combining basic life tips (shower daily, clean your room, etc) with a pseudo philosophical religious mumbo jumbo that appeals to anyone with an existential crisis, Peterson has made himself a literal fortune. That's brilliant. And if he gets some neckbeard to shower, he can't be all bad?

[@aramsohigian2166]

@@nobody8328 LOL. That is, as you wrote, brilliant!

[@Enragedguy24]

@@nobody8328 Well, he's a force for good when it comes to sex differences, free speech, making people interested in Jung, the classics, and Solzhenitsyn, as well as on his indictments of Marx. But this pseud-new age religious talk which does not make the average person's bs meter go off is... it should not be.

[@MartaRzehorz]

He's kinda… unique, he's the weird kid imho, has unique and obscure view of the world and doesn't realize he's pretty much alone with it and that the view doesn't logically follow, I don't think he does it intentionally, I think he does really thing that's how the world goes or at least suspends his disbelief so he can be part of a group, so he is full of fallacies and broken logic, he's basically an atheist trying to fit into christianity thru his own new age. The worst part imho is that he fails at the basic psychology. Like the thing with Roskolnikov - "he felt bad bc he killed someone even tho rationally he should not? Clearly bc there's an inherent moral value that is metaphysical and the God." He should not be a psychologist.

[@ZombieProdigyUS]

I would stupid amounts of money to see a real debate between them.... R.I.P Hitch

[@mozart9991]

This is very well done. Shame we didn't have Hitch's voice during the rise of Peterson and his army of PeterSons.

[@rachelslur8729]

This video is plenty enough.

[@billyb6001]

It's ashame he isn't always with us

[@mikefjvk4256]

Let's be honest, Peterson wouldn't debate anyone who can see through his bs. I mean, jeez, the dude didn't even take on TJ.

[@Enragedguy24]

He has, with Harris, whom I don't like, but you could see the definitions shifting and the metaphorical refusing the materialize into anything, let-alone the pragmatic which JP praises

[@mikefjvk4256]

@@Enragedguy24 I didn't know about that, but I'll look it up. Thanks

[@Mylada]

Sam Harris is not really a debater like hitchens was but is very troughout thinker. If you really try to understand what theyre debating about, Harris is so much more consistent and logical.

[@sophonax661]

Peterson also debated Matt Dillahunty and it showed big time!

[@kathryngeeslin9509]

@@sophonax661 Sam Harris was great. Matt Dillahunty was extraordinarily great. In this instance though his main advantage was simply not being sidetracked or bamboozled by Jordan's attempts to distract.

[@adlockhungry304]

Fantastic! You did a great job of “steel manning” JP’s arguments by way of presenting his most well articulated statements. It’s very telling that his keystone argument is centered around a fictional character written by an author with a philosophical bias. Hitch, on the other hand, illustrated his points based on the factual historical records.

[@brendarua01]

What a delightful moment. Thank you :)

[@StannisHarlock]

A year ago I debated a fellow atheist who claimed that Hitchens and Peterson had no profound disagreements about religion. This took place in the comments section of a video where Peterson told Matt Dillahunty that people could not do good without religion. The guy I debated was a disciple of Jungian philosophy, like Peterson. His devotion to Peterson forced him to defend stupid remarks. It couldn't be more obvious that Hitchens and Peterson are polar opposites concerning the issue of the existence of religion.

[@abigailslade3824]

The Great Dragon I have had the same kind of experience they talk in circles and refuse to actually answer the points raised.

[@gamer4lyfez325]

I love Jordan Peterson's psychology lectures. But I hate how he often supports his claims regarding religion and atheism with fiction stories to prove a point instead of providing real evidence. This is a debate about real life, not about some russian novel or Hansel and Gretel. He should stick to his domain of expertise imo.

[@thetruthwillsetyoufree9209]

the one on Frankl is my favorite.

[@AngloSaks666]

But the point as he sees it is that the stories are the evidence, because they have power as expressions of human experience and dilemmas and because he's only talking in that framework; i.e. only about stories. Stories are evidence for him of the power of stories, because he's only talking about stories, and their power. Only. Not literal truths. He doesn't actually believe in the literal, physical truth of the religious stories any more than Christopher Hitchens did. The reason he said he was 'agnostic' about the physical resurrection of Jesus was because he feels it's dangerous, or at least not his place, to undermine the literal belief of others, who maintain a stability with that belief. But that doesn't mean he actually 'believes' in that literal sense of concrete historical event. He's said it again and again. He clearly doesn't, thus is not interested in, and doesn't even see as in any way valid, any attempts to find 'evidence' for literalist religious belief. He doesn't have it himself, he doesn't defend it, it's not his point of view or the point of what he's saying at all. He believes humans have a deep historical 'substrate' of narratives and symbols that buttress their cognitive and emotional orientation in the world and that help them live together both rationally and morally. He would agree with Hitchens on many of the examples given of the evils of literalist religion. This whole debate is false not only because the participants were not answering each other's points at all in reality, but because they weren't even discussing the same subject and didn't actually come anywhere close to such disagreement as this video attempts to create an illusion of. Hitchens is attacking literalist religion, which Peterson is also no advocate of. The words he says are no attempt to defend it. He's talking about stories. Only stories. But that they exist for a deep reason.

[@richiejohnson]

you read my mind

[@randomz8065]

yes gamer4lyfez from his mom's basement is telling professor jordan peterson to "stick to his domain". When was the last time you saw sunlight dimwit?

[@JasonFriedmanHTX]

His lectures are loaded with bullshit. I'm in my final year getting my BS in Psych and I can't stomach his garbage.

[@llaauuddrruupp]

Peterson would marry Dostoevsky if he could.

[@BlahBlooBlee4205]

And Jung

[@Vilendank]

and they would both hurry back to the drawing board to clarify a few things so no more Petersons occur.

[@ceceliawight7059]

Thanks for all you do and for taking the time to get this together.

[@perplexedpapa]

Anytime the great Hitch's words are brought back is a wonderful thing! Great job HK! Thank you!

[@Galaxia53]

When arguing with religious people it very often feels like they're hopping around your argument

[@mistylover2082]

Pinkie pie : you speak truth my wonderful beautiful ray of sunshine of a sister.

[@letsomethingshine]

Some have been calling it: mental gymnastics.

[@fordprefect9296]

'If you could reason with religious people, there would not be any religious people' House MD (I thinkg

[@DJHastingsFeverPitch]

This is why I'm coming to believe in not arguing, but rather sharing abstracted research-based models of how cultic forms of gross social manipulation work, complete with real world examples.

[@mycl2336]

As a Canadian-I’m so incredibly sorry for Jordan Peterson. He’s an embarrassment to our education system. I mean, sure he’s obviously educated (good for us), but obviously somewhere along the way, we forgot to teach him how to think coherently.

[@flipgsp]

Who gives a shit if you're Canadian. It doesn't make your opinion of him worth shit 😂😂

[@m0ther_bra1ned12]

Yes, people that dont like prefered pronouns enforced on them clearly arent thinking clearly.

[@Sanctified57]

Yawn!

[@thomasmcqueeney6877]

You leftist are so pompous 😅

[@momentary_]

The only reason Peterson can exist is because Hitch is dead. If Hitch was still around, then there would be no Jordan Peterson. He would still be teaching psychology.

[@ReidNicewonder]

Brilliant work, Thomas!

[@HolyKoolaid]

Thanks Reid.

[@jdtug8251]

I think Hitchens would be proud. ♥

[@Imightberiding]

This is fantastic! What an epic undertaking it must have been to produce this video. Thank-you for this. Not sure why it took my over a year to discover.

[@aob505]

Thanks for the video. I miss Hitchens, wish we could hear his take on the current state of things.

[@shmosel_]

*Mister

[@yepperdeedooda]

I personally love pigeons and especially when he talks about the "religion of peace."

[@HolyKoolaid]

Pigeons?

[@rayflyers]

@@HolyKoolaid Speech-to-text error probably

[@bdf2718]

@@HolyKoolaid Christopher PIgeons.

[@gorillaguerillaDK]

Ксения Ковалевская So, you love him because both of you don't like Islam!? Wauw, not at all disturbing........ (Sarcasm)

[@alexsmith2910]

I know right. Omega yikes.@@gorillaguerillaDK

[@mischarowe]

Logic from beyond the grave.

[@RaphnelV]

I had a huge laugh when I noticed the items next to each of the speakers. J. Walker 🥃 🆚 Lobster 🦞

[@Lobsterwithinternet]

🦞😢

[@ChannelMath]

or as Hitchens called it, "Mr. Walker's amber restorative"

[@its1110]

I don't know the story about the lobster.

[@DennisMoore664]

JP should have a bottle of pills next to him.

[@crowsnest43]

Breakfast of champions

[@adamwilder2943]

I really liked this clip, as it clearly indicated what Hitchens thought about various topics, despite no longer being alive he(Hitchens) was able to systematically destroy Peterson

[@herrmannvonhimbergeist8107]

i thought this was going to be some metaphorical substrate, but it turned out to be excellent. well done

[@aramsohigian2166]

So, basically Peterson is Christian but doesn't believe in Jesus coming back part of the story. So, he is just picking and choosing which part of the fable and untruths you want to believe. Like every single religious person in the world: Take what works for you and ignore facts that don't.

[@0816M3RC]

Nicht von dieser Welt I have heard of people who claim to be atheist and also claim to be "culturally" christian. They seem to respect "Judeo-Christian values", for some reason and still try to act like rational intellectuals.

[@krrr.4902]

@@0816M3RC I've never met people like that. What do they even mean? What IS the christian culture? Are they refering to christmas and homophobia???

[@terrym45]

Hum... A philosophy based upon a Russian Novel over 150 years old??????

[@Enragedguy24]

Yeah... xD It is a fair observation on JPs part that Dostoevsky's books are distillations, that is why they are praised - Crime and Punishment has the most likable killer and the most killable victim, it is the murder to describe all such murders. But it isn't "more real than reality" and nor is it a sufficient basis for a philosophical axiom.

[@Enragedguy24]

@Nicht von dieser Welt Yep, that's about right. Though... 'outdated social idealism is not the correct way of putting it. People do disintegrate after killing, still, and people do need meaning in their lives, still. But that is about all that is true about that. You can't - and he does - extrapolate a seemingly intuitively viable proposition indiscriminately, linearly onto every person ever.

[@Viper40758]

Almost as bad as a middle eastern novel over 2k years old

[@davewolf6256]

23:23 So, what Jordan Peterson means to say is... He's a Scientologist.

[@twntwrs]

@@Viper40758 Or that other Middle Eastern novel over 1.3k years old

[@rossdkelly]

Wonderful work on this video. Thanks for this!

[@craiglee7993]

Great work I see how much this took to make Bravo Brother bravo.

[@HolyKoolaid]

Thanks. :)

[@andreadiamond7115]

So well done! Bravo. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@isaackalik5257]

Well thank goodness the person who made this video isn't biased towards one side -__-

[@shmosel_]

So disappointing. It could have been really interesting.

[@breadfan7433]

Amazing video. Thank you so much for creating it, it must have required a lot of effort. (Of course, according to JP, it depends on what I mean by "amazing" and what I mean by "video"). One great addition to this brilliant collection of Hitch quotes, exactly because it's so relevant in this video, would be the one where he counters the claim that without a god we wouldn't be moral by saying that the exact opposite is true. Having divine permission for your actions, having your imaginary deity on your side, is what lets people do exactly anything they like to people they don't like. Hitchens has said so in many occasions, and one such example is in a debate with Alister McGrath (for example in ?v=GQcGXBo8HP8).

[@AlanWinterboy]

I really didn't think you could pull off such a posthumous debate, but you did it, excellently. Well done!

[@adamthomas4507]

Loved this, thank you. Goosebumps when it said ‘Hitchens back from the dead’ _if only_

[@MMAGamblingTips]

Damn Thomas, this is awesome! I couldn’t imagine the time put into this. I’ll become a patron now!

[@slashtrio]

The juxtaposition between hitchens’s voice and Peterson’s is something else.

[@cozmoos]

If only more people could understand how much work went into this.

[@ivancarlson953]

[Hitchens on what he lives for] "The first thing I live for is contemplating the misfortunes of other people. The second thing I live for is, if not exactly passing on my genes, taking part in activities that might allow those genes to be passed on."

[@StannisHarlock]

It makes you wonder ... Would Jordan Peterson be able to maintain his status as a prominent thinker if Christopher Hitchens was alive?

[@StannisHarlock]

​@Alan O Brien Well, I do hope the deflation of Peterson's relevance as a public intellectual is imminent. At the moment, Peterson seems to be able to get away with saying anything, not matter how ridiculous it is.

[@StannisHarlock]

@TheCosmicWarrior That's like saying Hitchens was not much of a drinker.

[@StannisHarlock]

@TheCosmicWarrior Interesting opinion. I disagree, but interesting none the less.

[@apetivist]

This is GOLDEN! Hear! Hear! Christopher Hitchens you're intelligent and fact packed speeches are greatly missed. Thanks to Holy Koolaid for such a fantastic video.

[@harmonicamanrandy]

I really got a kick out of the characters in the audience at the end. Thanks!

[@leifmealone4749]

Hitchens for the win.

[@Dat_Dude_Danny1]

This is an amazing work by you, holy koolaid! Thanks for making it!

[@Roxor128]

The fact that it's possible to use clips from a dead man to make a coherent debate with a religious apologist is a damning condemnation of how predictable the religious side is.

[@BaronVonBlair]

"Back from the dead" pulled an audible laugh out of me. Miss that man. Good man.

[@anthonynorman7545]

So much editing and research!

[@HolyKoolaid]

Yep. Took me over 5 months for this one.

[@anthonynorman7545]

@@HolyKoolaid WOW!!! 😱

[@mackenmd]

Discovered you through Rationality Rules and I wish to thank you both!

[@pansepot1490]

I didn’t know that dostoevskij was better at prophecy than any prophet of the Bible...

[@Enragedguy24]

Have you read the book? Because it's pretty damn accurate. Perhaps so accurate that it makes up for the error of "If there is no God, everything is permissible" - a sentence the exact negation of which is the truth.

[@jordansean18]

I love that you don't even have to take Peterson out of context or twist his clips. You gave pretty much the best versions of his arguments! Well done.

[@billyjacobs190]

LOL @ 3:48 when Petersen makes a ridiculous claim and Hitchens shifts to look at him. Love it.

[@davidpage8580]

The work you put into this was amazing! Thanks Holy Koolaid

[@marlonthomas8042]

JP approach Cite books that most haven’t read, use big words that aren’t in the idiolect of most, use scientific sounding words

[@flipgsp]

Whose fault is it that YOU haven't read Dostoevsky?

[@marlonthomas8042]

KrayzieBone=The GOAT I said *most* You honestly think that all of JP’s followers are that well read to have read crime and punishment, the communist manifesto the entire bible, so on and so forth?

[@oliverbeard7912]

This is a clever compilation .Thanks for posting.Thoroughly enjoyable.

[@Zelgiulicious]

omg my mom just admitted to me that she loved Jordan Peterson (u g h), and i really needed this video thank you ♥

[@HolyKoolaid]

Glad I could help. Sorry about your mom.

[@resourcedragon]

It's unusual to hear about a female fan of Peterson's. Most women have more sense.

[@Zelgiulicious]

@@resourcedragon lmao you havent met my mom and sister XD The other day, they were sobbing about how I was going to hell, it was fun

[@ZombieProdigyUS]

This is the content I signed up for my friend!!!!

[@Redhunteur2]

Amazing job. I am truly gobsmacked by the work. Wow.

[@craigdavidson2278]

I met Mr hitchens in London circa '96...he was drinking Johnny walkers red label...I was drinking a 12 year old Cragganmore.....we passed a few words about each others choice.....I would like to think he knew I had the upper hand, as he did when the conversation turned towards religion. He changed my thoughts on god, yet failed regarding my choice in whisky.....both results are the perfect conclusion.

[@oliverhug3]

Could listen for hours to Hitchens voice.

[@HolyKoolaid]

Same.

[@BR-ur2gk]

Great job on the avatars, you nailed the emotional expressions! loved it so much Ive hit you up on Patreon, keep up the great work!

[@kriss1956]

I'm so grateful to Hitch for being such a prolific writer and speaker, we need every word to train our minds.

[@arkemiffo]

To allow Peterson debate Hitches is like leading a bound lamb to a lion, and make it believe it has a chance.

[@JoeSebGriff]

This is awesome!! Well done! I miss Hitch dearly. His legacy is eternal!

[@coyoteboy5601]

Peterson is always on about 'Crime and Punishment' for it's moral absolutism. I would send him to 'Grapes of Wrath,' 'One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest,' and 'Slingblade' for a more nuanced view. Who didn't let out a little mental cheer when Doyle Hargreave's skull got split?

[@roxee57]

Oh you magnificent human HolyKoolAid