I drive around at less than 2p per mile, when its sunny for nothing, our solar has already paid for itself so in effect our electricity is free. I don’t remember every having an ice car that we could fill up for free
@johniooi39545 ай бұрын
Or even better on IO, export solar @15p charge car @ 7.5p & make 7.5p profit. Even better who has a ICE that pays you
@stevenbarrett76485 ай бұрын
@@johniooi3954 Yes John, to day we exported 4.8 KWh, about 72 pence, every little helps, we will buy it back to night for 36 pence for the car !
@johndoyle47235 ай бұрын
Me too, plenty of surplus now from my solar panels, free motoring now for 6 months, and then IO at 7.5p/Kwh in Winter.
@AdamAugustPhoto5 ай бұрын
@@johniooi3954 not everyone gets the export from their solar installations. Personally I bought a house with a rant a roof system in place, so I benefit from the solar, but don't get paid for export. So if I can hoover it up for free with my car, I'm winning about as much as I can until the contract is up in 2035
@wdsmauglir46835 ай бұрын
Same here, spot on, my fuel bill in my 2022 Diesel Peugeot used to be £400/pcm, EV same journeys £60/pcm, no solar, but still no brainer! Better driving experience all round to boot.
@Jaw0lf5 ай бұрын
Over 90% of my trips out and back are within the range of my EV. Kia E Niro drove to Disneyland Paris doing 870 miles. Charged when we were ready to stop or waiting at the Euro Tunnel. Used 240kWh for the trip and several free charges meant cost was £33.06. My Kia E Niro for past 3 years did 27,572 miles, using 8088kWh at a cost of £874.26, so averaged 3.41 miles per kWh over lifetime of car. Used a mix of home and rapid charger where necessary. So just under 3.2 pence per mile! My old ICE car would have been over £4,000 for fuel plus 2 services at £400-£500 each at Audi with my car being in warranty. Re the VED rates, I find it bad that they are as such backdating it to include EV's from 7/8 years back, where there are still many ICE cars paying just £20. They should have updated all cars to pay a standard VED plus emissions. Fairer than just picking on EV drivers who paid the premium to help the uptake of EV's. Also in regards to charging, this can be done at home, whereas petrol/diesel or Hydrogen will never be done at home!
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Great figures Jay, effortless road trips taking it easy and 3p per mile. What more could you want?
@Jaw0lf5 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton Just handed the car back as it was leased and now got myself a Tesla Model 3 and seeing some trips giving me over 5 miles/kWh. It seems similar trips from the Kia are now 1 mile per kWh better, so far more efficient.
@alslad5 ай бұрын
Also worth bearing in mind some cheap public chargers not widely advertised. Before I had my home charger installed which opened up the very cheap EV tariffs, I was able to use a council charger during the working day at 23p/KW which was less than the price cap rate at home
@RichardBrooklyn5 ай бұрын
Many EVs DO require regular servicing to keep warranty. Usually from legacy manufacturers. I'm taking my father in law's Hyundai Kona full electric in tomorrow for a service. Teslas.... No problem, of course.
@wdsmauglir46835 ай бұрын
So tired of all the ICE nay sayers, I don’t need to justify driving an EV any more than they feel the need to justify driving their mobile petrol stations. Although they seem paranoid enough to keep knocking EV drivers & feeling the need to justify hanging onto their ICE cars…go ahead, we don’t care!
@thumper17474 ай бұрын
Hi Dave, after saving for two years, I finally bought a pristine example of an i3S and absolutely love it. Even if it cost no less to own and drive an ICE vehicle I’d still choose it. Fact is, air quality will improve as we transition to electrification and it doesn’t matter what people say, it’s inevitable. All I have to do now is clear the garage and install a charger and check my utility provider’s prices. Keep up the good work.
@martinhammett81215 ай бұрын
Its not about bashing EV's its about the rip off prices of rapid charging ! > My next car will be an EV , as you say Tesla supercharger near me is 47p off peak so will around 10p per mile driving sensibly in a small EV !, however the reason I will make my next car Electric is because of emissions. If you have a choice why would anybody choose to poison people !
@michaelketley12525 ай бұрын
My MG4 is charged at home on Octupus Intelligent tariff for 80%. On holidays I always seek out the lowest tariff. Cost of ownership is astonishingly low.
@Sp_75-765 ай бұрын
On a recent trip to the Isle of Wight I arrived at our hotel , only to find it had free charging
@Smith_Tech_705 ай бұрын
I saw a comment on Tiktok last night, that sounded completely made up, but here goes... A Norfolk (German) car dealer had sold 7 EV Hatchbacks, and had all of them returned as not fit for purpose. I call total BS on that one.
@Sp_75-765 ай бұрын
I agree 100% but I also have the luxury of solar panels, and have now (mid March) turned off the overnight charging and am able to keep both our cars topped up purely on solar. I won’t need to turn overnight charging back on until start of October. During the summer both our cars exceed 4 miles / kWh
@ilollipop1005 ай бұрын
You need to add 10%-15% in losses when you charge at home. Charging losses.
@davestarkie99775 ай бұрын
The real value in EV v ICE is company cars. BIK tax is a few £1's for a EV v £100's for an ICE per month! Even with the proposed increases in the future they are matched with ICE increases.
@ComeJesusChrist5 ай бұрын
You subsidise your lower night rate by paying a standing charge and a higher than average day rate, so the 7.5p rate is it the true cost. Drive to Cornwall and you’ll be paying 50-90p mer kWh, depending on whether you charge far away from the route or on a motorway/dual carriageway charging station. Or in the summer, you may not find any available and working charger at all.
@ianemery29255 ай бұрын
It isnt a mistake, it is deliberate; many, many, MANY of these stories are backed with money either directly, or indirectly from the petrochemical industry - for example, everything in the Telegraph, which is being bought by Saudi oil money right now.
@ianemery29255 ай бұрын
Big news, the takeover by Saudi oil money has been blocked; so we might see fewer anti-EV stories in the Telegraph now.
@David-bl1bt5 ай бұрын
Dave, you forgot to factor-in the inevitable "additional impulse purchases" at petrol stations. When I had ICE cars I used to come out of the garage with a handful of snacks & drinks....so, on the "snack savings" alone I have saved £hundreds a year 😂
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Not gone, that's the bonus with EVs, you have more time to wander off and look for the goodies
@paulweston11065 ай бұрын
Pay at the pump pretty much killed off the petrol station purchase. The 15-20 minute charging stop gives you time to go to the toilet and call into the shop so where you shop has changed but it's not gone away.
@maxflight7775 ай бұрын
David .. love your point !
@David-bl1bt5 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton goodies are banned in our house 🥺
@David-bl1bt5 ай бұрын
@jemima_brown I am relaxing at home....while my car charges in the background! No diesel flavoured smelly hands either👍
@phphph60225 ай бұрын
Just come back from a holiday in Belgium using the Hull - Rotterdam ferry. Around 800 miles cost me 12p per mile. Charging in Holland and Belgium was very expensive. My last trip to France found the network to be on average 60% cheaper than the UK and this is what needs looking at.
@alf6995 ай бұрын
I am even luckier here in OZ. We have a 5 month old KIA EV6 AWD and the wife is just about to tick over 7000km on the Odometer and so far we have spend in Charging (Fuel cost)..AUS 13.55...🙂 How? We have 24KW Solar at home and in addition, the wife can charge free at work.
@davidkramrisch5 ай бұрын
Trip cost for me @3 miles /kwhr South Manchester to Whitehaven return. Home charge @ 7p/kwhr £5. 24kw @ 64p/kwhr @ Tebay (Breakfast) Westmoreland £15. Local charge in Whitehaven @ Podpoint 7kw @ 44p/kwhr £3. (Dinner) 24kw at works charger - FREE !! Total fuel cost for 300 mile round trip £23 = 7.7 p per mile 😊
@30025345 ай бұрын
Thank you for the info. I cannot charge at home, but I do use Tesla membership and I charge every week. I do approximately 200 miles a week locally, so I’m going to sit and work out my costs per mile for the last year.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
always interesting. If it's dear, it might make you charge at off-peak or super off-peak to save a few more pennies. But remember, there's more to an EV than just fuel savings
@martyn19605 ай бұрын
I have a Jaguar i pace on a 20 plate.Will i pay the expensive car tax supplement in April 2025 or is this only for only new electric cars registered after April 2025.? Driving my car carefully gives me 3 miles to the kwh and at 9 p per kw only costs me 3p per mile.
@stephenmorrow12285 ай бұрын
Just being a bit OCD, but that should be £66.57 not £66.54 :} Anyways, I have learned so much from this channel about the world of ev charging and pricing that I feel much more confident about getting my first ev in August. Thanks for your efforts and keep the videos coming, with the correct maths though
@ObiePaddles5 ай бұрын
I’m disappointed with most new EV efficiency numbers. Our model Y has averaged 4.4 miles/ kWh over its life. How come a Renault 5 isn’t 5-6? Ridiculous
@solentbum5 ай бұрын
I've just done a full calculation on my Nissan LEAF, new Nov 2022. At 31581 miles and my average MPKwh of 4. Total costs have been £1092.22, , that is 3.5 pence per mile overall. After a couple of holiday trips, including North Wales, and NorthWest Scotland my away from home costs have been £432.22p over 2200 miles, whilst my home charge costs have been £580 for the other 29000 odd miles. My Citroen C3 averaged 46 mpg. so it would have cost around £4400 for the same mileage in petrol. 13.9 pence per mile.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Amazing when I encourage people to find out the true cost. Many never bother. That's a brilliant saving
@prjackson78025 ай бұрын
Great video
@srbs735 ай бұрын
Broken chargers definitely not a myth for me! Peterborough Ionity has had at least 1 out of 6 chargers out of order for several weeks. Sheffield has a real problem with cables being cut and stolen. I currently have an i4 M50 which has a base price of £72k, the equivalent petrol M440i is only £60k. Cost per mile is probably around 20p so expensive DC charging won’t be economical if you need to use the likes of Instavolt on a regular basis. Ionity is great if you are lucky to have one on your journey. For me, the salary sacrifice made the all in monthly cost much cheaper.
@dublodave78605 ай бұрын
I accept that charging an EV at home is much cheaper than filling up an ICE car but you have to factor in the purchase price difference between EV's and ICE cars. For my current vehicle an EV equivalent would have cost me over 15k more - that's like paying for 10,000 litres of fuel (sufficient for around 90 - 100,000 miles) in advance. You don't 'save' money with an EV, the cost is just paid in advance. Until the initial cost of EV's fall considerably (highly unlikely given that China has recently doubled the cost of some minerals that are essential for batteries) then they will remain uneconomic for most. As an aside, a US commentator ran a similar EV and an ICE vehicle side by side for 5 years and the actual real cost cost difference, allowing for all servicing, insurance, depreciation, etc. over that time for the same mileage was a grand total of around US$ 80 (yes - Eighty) in favour of the EV.
@andy98415 ай бұрын
So that sucks. My 2021 tesla model 3 will cost me £190 per year tax and my friends planet killer blue motion golf that was part of the emissions scandal only pays £20
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Winners and losers, Andy. But I for one never expected to be able to use the roads for free. This was inevitable but a very nice bonus while it lasted
@waynecartwright-js8tw5 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton Classic car owners for which there are 300K on the road and that usually belong to people who can afford tax + MOTs are dodging a fortune that the rest of us have to pay.
@geordie48015 ай бұрын
I have a megane e tech I am getting 4.2 mpkwh
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
good rate, obviously not often burning Ferraris off at the lights
@AdamAugustPhoto5 ай бұрын
My Enyaq is currently costing me 2.3p a mile. I'm lucky enough to be able to charge at home on an off peak tariff. Looking at my electric bills I'm paying the same as last year month by month as I'm able to load shift dishwasher & washing machine to the cheap rates. So not only if it costing me little to drive, but I'm also paying no more for the electric as I did last year! I haven't yet needed to travel outside the range of my EV, but for the odd occasion I do, the public charging cost will be vastly offset by home charging so I'm not worried about it. My old diesel was costing me 16-18p a mile year round, was less powerful, loud and smelly. The new VED is a bit of a joke to be honest. The old diesel will continue to cost £30 a year, whereas my new one will likely be £180.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Nice one Adam, most of us do the same and I see my electricity bill charging my EV no dearer than an average house without an EV
@rodwhitley32575 ай бұрын
My weekly commute is170 miles just completed my first week in an ev fuel bill down from 30 quid to £4.50 over the moon and a lot less stress
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Good for you Rod, great once you own one. Good luck with it
@robforrest127395 ай бұрын
I’ve been lucky so far - 6k miles since owning (6 months) and only spent £33 at Osprey last weekend on a trip, otherwise all at 7.5p on Octopus Intelligent Go!
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
I'll swap Rob, I deliberately go to Osprey, Instavolt and BP Pulse to try them out. It hurts particularly as I am often easily in range of home with my 7.5p
@robforrest127395 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton my first experience was great - Osprey Kempower unit - delivered 71kW which is good for Kia Niro! All just worked and great screen with info. Blimey the cables are heavy though!!
@martynayshford43185 ай бұрын
If you can charge at home and your mileage is limited (so you can get away with a granny charger) then EV's are just unbeatable (new). If you can't then it becomes a lot more problematic. Expenditure to get a decent charger, that will take a while to recoup and on the flip inconvenience scouting out chargers that won't scam you and hanging round waiting for that charge. I wanted Full self drive before I jumped ship and have finally concluded it's not coming. However I was never going to risk buying a second hand EV and that problem is not going away. Battery issues are not common, but god are they scary, a three year old EV is worth less than a new battery for it, so if you get in a position where it is a problem then best case the insurance company will write the car off and worse they'll figure out a scenario where it's your problem. How is this green? Moreover DC current is bad news, a mechanic working on a ICE car makes a mistake it's unlikely to kill him. Mistakes with a 70+KWH battery are quite likely fatal this is going to make labour expensive they really will have to be slow and very methodical about what they do. Hybrids are no good either, you get the worst of both worlds and how do it get a qualified mechanic 5-6 years down the line to fix that weird hybrid? I looked long and hard, Nox emissions these days are pretty good, I went ICE, not happy about it but when you are spending 40K plus you'd have be insane to go electric (IMHO)
@lharris828Ай бұрын
Wrong! Datum = singular, data = plural.
@louishiggins88815 ай бұрын
Yes, but don't forget you need to pay to have a home charger installed !!! For the sake of completeness, mine cost ~£900 - and yes, it may be possible to get a deal, just saying 😂. Over the first year, I averaged 3.8 miles per kilowatt, ~3 in winter, and ~4 when the weather was better - found that weather has the most impact on consumption. Over the time I've had the EV, I've used public chargers just 4 times for a top-up while we had a coffee (for about 20 minutes). I'm also on Octopus, 7.5p overnight charging 😁. If I couldn't charge at home, I wouldn't have bought an EV !!!
@thelaserhive33685 ай бұрын
Yes, the home charger may be an extra cost ( but worth it IMHO), but many have had theirs discounted or for free. For instance, there are many Motability drivers, like myself, who have an Ohme charger installed FOC if we lease an EV and can home charge.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Nice one Louis, I considered my charger as part of the cost of the car.
@jonquin44925 ай бұрын
Hi Dave love the channel just one thing about EVs and comparable ice cars concerning Teslas that are in group 50 insurance ratings far higher than comparable ICE cars I would have thought you can’t get no higher than group 50
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Yes, insurance is a very individual thing for pricing. When I changed from a Citroen C4 Picasso diesel to my Tesla Model S the premium didn't change at the end of that year and today it is about 10% up, very much in line with general insurance inflation. Others report cheaper premiums or dearer premiums. No general rule.
@OneGuyPolitics5 ай бұрын
In the world of ICE, supermarkets like sainsburys charge up to 40p less per litre for petrol than at motorway services. If that’s the case how come their chargers are only 2p less per kWh
@Joe-lb8qn5 ай бұрын
Not enough competition yet
@bellshooter5 ай бұрын
They're not. Motorway costs are 79p to 85p pkWh.
@kleptokiller5 ай бұрын
More importantly why don’t they use motorway service prices for all fuel in the ICE cars like they do for EV, oh yea because they’re in the pocket of the oil companies.
@30025345 ай бұрын
The cost per kWh is 79p and the holding fee is £70. Sainsbury’s do not get my money!
@paulweston11065 ай бұрын
The fuel at motorway services is set at a price they think they can get away with so almost stand on their own. The supermarkets probably do benefit from buying power and are able to take a hit on the profit side by using fuel to bring in the customers to the store. They are less likely to have the same sort of buying power when it comes to electricity.
@pauleast43725 ай бұрын
Dave, you are slightly out of date, the price of petrol is now over £1.50 per litre with diesel heading for £1.60. If you re-run the figures the fossil cost per mile is heading the wrong way again.
@shauncraven73855 ай бұрын
Cost of petrol or diesel will depend on where you live. North-west England - diesel cost is around £1.51/litre.
@bordersw12395 ай бұрын
I presume the 70% can charge at home is amongst EV owners because the number for actual households is far less.
@Brian-om2hh5 ай бұрын
Yes, around 65 to 70% of UK EV owners are able to charge at home. It was probably a major factor in the decision to get an EV...
@solentbum5 ай бұрын
The 70% estimate is of ALL households across the UK, whether or not they have an EV. There are relatively few dense city streets, the norm is a house with a garden, suberbs or country.
@bordersw12395 ай бұрын
@@solentbum wrong
@stephencrowther5245 ай бұрын
@@bordersw1239 So post a link backing up your claim.
@stephencrowther5245 ай бұрын
@@solentbum Post a link proving your claim,please.
@terrymackenzie67845 ай бұрын
Where are the selling new 39k model Y I want one as the model 3 is not big enough
@rogerphelps99395 ай бұрын
The Model 3 is not very big and that is why it is a bit cheaper to run.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Nice try Terry, I said Model Y might drop to £39k when tax changes. Currently £45k
@terrymackenzie67845 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton yes I know, I've been waiting for the price of the Y to drop, interestingly Tesla finance on the Y is better than the 3 so if you are buying on finance it's about the same but we need the sticker price to be less than the luxury car tax price. Any chance you are changing your car anytime soon, what would you go for?
@rogerphelps99395 ай бұрын
@@davetakesiton That will be for the low range no frills version poresumably. Bad value.
@stephenswales89405 ай бұрын
What about the huge price of buying an EV? What about the much quicker depreciation of an EV? What about the extortionate servicing costs of an EV? What about long distance anxiety of owning an EV? This guy must be in the 5% of EV owners who think they are OK. The other 95% of people who own, or have owned, an EV have regretted their decision and would not buy another one,
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Anyone can make up lies. The Dacia Spring, new £14.995 cheaper than a Corsa petrol. Tesla have zero servicing of any sort, nothing at all, no servicing needed to maintain warranty unlike all, 100% of petrol cars. 90% of drivers never drive more than 200 miles in a single trip. Over 80% of all EV drivers charge cheaply at home every night. hundreds of EV drivers I have interviewed and filmed say they will never ever go back to petrol. Harsh verified facts against your made up “facts”. Please provide proof. I already have cited my sources in countless videos.
@ndf53225 ай бұрын
First 😂
@TheTurnerservices5 ай бұрын
Second 😅
@chrishanslip64435 ай бұрын
My anti slavery ice diesel gets 65 miles per gallon, 650 miles of range, even when it's cold or hot, cost 20000 pounds less than an EV, 20000 pounds worth of free diesel, my tiyes are 35 percent cheaper, road tax 35 pounds, and I'm not bothered about getting to 60 mph in 2.5 seconds takes 5 mins to fill to 100 percent, so save 10 hours a week to spend with my family, EVs are not the future, and they are very ugly to look at,if they work for you, we'll done,not my bag, happy charging lol.
@MrDAVIDATKIN5 ай бұрын
Your anti-slavery diesel 😂.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@jimf47485 ай бұрын
I'm puzzled as to why you say they are ugly to look at, surely the type of propulsion doesn't change the look of the car. A Corsa is a Corsa a Zoe is a Zoe a Kia Niro is the same no matter what fuel drives it. If you are happy driving your type of car fine by me but I would never go back.
@waynecartwright-js8tw5 ай бұрын
Cobalt is used to remove sulfur from your diesel , Where does that come from ? Asthmatics thank you for your N0x output. I am so glad diesel passenger car sales are dropping fastest so that there are fewer on the road now and they have no emission cheating future.
@martinconnelly14735 ай бұрын
My ICE car is probably good for another ten years and I only do less than 4000 miles per year with about 50% of that on long journeys. There is no way in the world replacing it with an EV makes economic sense or environmental sense since the initial cost is so high and the environmental break even point is over the mileage I will do before the EV car is fit to be scrapped off. I live in a detached house and I am off road with no drive, the cost of adding a charging point to my garage which is on the road would probably cost plenty as well. EVs are not the answer for everyone and the idea that you can go full EV is economic craziness from the people who gave us the sunny uplands of Brexit whilst running the UK down.
@MrDAVIDATKIN5 ай бұрын
@@martinconnelly1473 pardon me for asking but why are you posting on a KZbin channel about EVs then if you are sure they are not for you. Seems a waste of your valuable time. I know I would never dream of wasting my life commenting on an ICE KZbin channel.
@alandavis27415 ай бұрын
People haven't factored that EV's are soon to be worthless on the used market. Nobody is going to buy a car with battery recalls, decreasing range, used dealers won't touch the things now, etc, etc. I nearly bought a used E-tron 55 but luckily found out about the battery recall....I could have wasted £30k ! Back to looking at a used AMG Mercedes instead. Also, I test drove the E-tron, and yes impressive acceleration, but no better that an AMG 43 engine, and just totally uninspring without the soundtrack and the upshifts. I'd be bored with the EV within a week....you never get bored of an AMG powered car. As for people saying EV's are so quiet and refined....my wife's BMW 3 litre straight-six convertible is quieter than any EV unless you really give in some welly.....just silent, no annoying electric whine. And a ton lighter, with long range and a 2 minute recharge time!!! Of course, I am lucky enough to not give a shit what it costs per mile to run my cars, so I really can't be bothered to have to plug and unplug my car at home, mess around with apps, think about what journeys I'm doing and when, where I can recharge en-route, etc, etc.
@alistairlambert32755 ай бұрын
Well at least you have tried and EV and have drawn your own conclusions. I have just had a battery health check on my Zoe and it's lost 2% in one year after 14k, these batteries are really holding up despite the miles.
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
EVs are not for everyone, Alan. Maybe in time they will make something that grabs your interest
@daviesic5 ай бұрын
My MG4 is rarely charged at public chargers so my cost is about 2.25p per miles as I average 4 miles per KWh! I keep a spreadsheet and my old MGZSEV averaged 3.97 miles per KWh over the 3 years and 25800 miles I had it, so that’s 2.25p kwh also! I drive gently and would rather drive an A road rather than a motorway! I love my Orange MG4 Trophy!
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
Good on you. It's great to get motoring costs down so a day out is a pleasure not a financial worry
@PJWey5 ай бұрын
Ditto, except blue. LFP for stress free driving 😊
@iantaylor11725 ай бұрын
Booked my Kona 64kwh in for 4th service £441 !!!!
@spiersey15 ай бұрын
I look at it slightly differently, charging at home is cheaper so therefore the equivalent of someone filling up at their local cheap petrol station but without stinking of petrol, charging at the odd time at expensive rapid chargers on a trip is the equivalent to filling up on the odd occasion at a motorway services which could be 25p a litre more expensive. ICE drivers never match up the high cost of rapid chargers up against the extortionate charge of fuel at a service station.
@randomoldbloke5 ай бұрын
Ice internal combustion engine. Petrol.CI compression ignition = diesel . At least get the terms right otherwise you sound like a old man yelling at clouds. Btw i am 65 disabled and there is not a ev new or used on the market that suits my needs. No charges closer than 40 miles and I regularly travel in a area about the size of the uk with no charging facilities. Yes Australia is big very big in the areas I go to there are less than 10 towns longest distance between towns is 650klm . I am not against ev at all in fact i have 2 electric wheelchairs that i carry around in my CI powered 4 wd van that will give me well over 500k . I have to say if you don't get any vehicle serviced you are a fool just on safety grounds alone
@MaxDigby-q1t5 ай бұрын
All very valid points for where you live but he was talking about the UK. Also in the UK you have to have a MOT test every year after the car is 3 years old. This is a safety test by law.
@bellshooter5 ай бұрын
Coventry residents can street charge at 53p pkWh so for a 4mpkWh car is 13p per mile.
@Brian-om2hh5 ай бұрын
My local charge network - Charge My Street - offers charging from 38p per kwh if you use one of the 3 subscription rates they offer. Non-subscribers pay (I think) 50p per kwh.... I charge at home most of the time, on 7.5p per kwh off-peak...
@Sidewinder1009oli5 ай бұрын
Sadly all public chargers have VAT to pay at 20% where home charging is 5% so these in Coventry are having to charge 6.6p more in tax per kWh because of this. Another tax on poorer people (generally those without access to their own home charging) This I think the government needs to amend.
@alistairlambert32755 ай бұрын
Not bad, you might do better using Octopus Electroverse.
@bellshooter5 ай бұрын
@@alistairlambert3275 That is on Electroverse, only discount is if you have an EV plan....then you would not need it?
@BROOMEngineeringTMIET5 ай бұрын
Great to see Dave playing silly buggers with numbers, and conveniently forgetting to factor in depreciation, into the calculations. Do you think patronising, and treating people like fools is good for your argument? Our 64 plate Astra 2.0 Cdti returned more than 55 mpg over more than 4000 miles of mixed driving, so around 12/13p per mile. Road tax is £30 a year. It cost just under £4k nearly 2 years ago. If I sold it today, I could get most of the money back I paid for it. To do 1100 miles would take around 10 minutes at the pump. If I allow £500 a year for servicing and MOT, that is less than pretty much every EV will depreciate in a year. If you cannot charge at home the numbers definitely do not make sense. I'm more than happy being one of your idiots. 😀
@davetakesiton5 ай бұрын
But I do charge at home and I do pay 2.5p per mile and to fill up for 250 miles it does cost me less than £5
@BROOMEngineeringTMIET5 ай бұрын
@@davetakesitonplease provide the numbers for depreciation during your ownership of the vehicle for better transparency? Your point was also that EV's make financial sense for those who cannot charge at home, which I would definitely argue they do not, if you look at the complete picture of ownership cost.
@steveh45345 ай бұрын
You can also get an EV for less than £5k kzbin.info/www/bejne/hnvCq314fsZji9Esi=Hrq8WHI7maanR1GF
@WheelieTheCapper5 ай бұрын
EV driver since last August with home charging, solar panels and battery. I will definitely get another EV when I look to change car next year (pitifully cheap to run). However, I genuinely believe that if you cannot charge at home, you should think very seriously before changing to EV. The extra costs entailed in switching (dearer vehicles, higher depreciation and ludicrous public charging costs) make the switch to an EV a much more economically tentative argument. If I couldn't charge at home and didn't have a smart meter I don't think I would have changed to an EV.
@TB-up4xi5 ай бұрын
Lol another person trying to claim a shitbox Astra is the same as owning a new EV. I swapped a 2019 Audi A4 45TDI for a 2023 Model 3 (Australia in $Aud) . The Audi cost $82000 new and sold for $46000 in absolute pristine condition with new tires and brakes after only 3 1/2 years and 80000km/ 50000 miles. It also cost $26400 in fuel, services, tyres and brakes over that time. After 27000km in my model 3 I have spent $250 in fuel, $0 services, $0 tyres & brakes (both of which are cheaper and last longer than the Audi) , my insurance is 20% cheaper and the car only cost me $58900 and is better to drive. That's a proper comparison not against a 10yr old junker.