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[@EdThorne]

➡️ 5 Ways Apollos Will Improve Your Workflow: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmmqn3eLfMSsi8U ➡️ Console Tutorial - How To Monitor Effectively: kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnW9fmyva9mgeLM

[@fastriver6712]

I recommend you make an alternate version of this video - where you show all the same things, but talk to beginners, like we've four years-old, or a lama.

[@mrzprettyfeet]

Who's gonna watch that?

[@CJ808GoStupid]

@@mrzprettyfeetfour year old lamas 🤓

[@chasincash8594]

@@mrzprettyfeetme

[@theultimaterockmusicalviet9310]

Excellent info….thanks! Old geezer here…first time in the studio 1974 Island Basing St. Jess Roden album. They had just moved to 24 track tape! Now l have a home set up, x6 and twin. Neve, API and 1176 hardware. Good mics. My process is analog in Digital out. Works for me. UA is superb. I usually use outside mixers and mastering. Just had John Gallen mix a track. He was happy with the recorded sounds and his mix is great. Anyway…thanks for your great video. And keep on Rockin' !! Steve 'Guitarman’ Webb

[@EdThorne]

Thanks, Steve. Great you’re still making music! I’d love to mix a track if you have one ready?

[@theultimaterockmusicalviet9310]

Just about to start a new bunch of songs … will absolutely keep you in the loop. Keep on Rockin!

[@PaulThird]

As much as you are the top #uafanboy on youtube, I am gonna admit.. If I was setting up a full recording studio I would 100% go down the UAD unison route. No hardware though, id just invest in the DSP and use luna for all the tracking. No need for gear if you've got that amount of real time processing power but... Your also a #gearsnob as well.. So I get why you incorporate the 500 series as well 😜

[@EdThorne]

Haha. I wouldn’t say a gear snob, I just get immense enjoyment out of top end gear (live and studio)!

[@MobiusMinded]

That’s what I did.

[@JUSTOFTO]

listening to this made homeless thank you Ed 💛

[@EdThorne]

Haha. Don’t shoot the messenger 😜

[@groutfinger1]

Ive just invested in the X16 to go with my Twin and satellite. Im selling the 32S the clarity of the audio is great, ive not even tried recording live drums yet with the pre amps and my WA and Neve. Cheers for the vid.

[@kennybissettsongs]

So, all I need is a GoFundme page and I'm in! lol

[@EdThorne]

I’d happily contribute 🙂🤘

[@ElTinyBoi]

😂good plan

[@officialsimonharris]

Very nice, I have the Apollo Twin Quad and I'm happy with it although I could do with some more channels in Console.

[@theashen]

UAD is indeed great, I have a Twin into a satellite quad into an x8p, but it was a nightmare to configure it all, I would love to see a tutorial on the setup and linking it to DAW for future reference, although I’ve got it all set up now, I am sure others will also struggle, particularly with adding and routing outboard

[@jazzmastert]

Hi Ed, enjoying your content, plus the stuff you do with Paul on PLAP. Keep up the great work! On Apollos, I am a big fan generally, running 3 Apollo devices. They do a lot very well but expansion, as you rightly say, is fairly pricey. One thing worth highlighting is the limited ADAT i/o with even the X series only offering 8 x 48Khz ins/out (4 at 96Khz). This doesn't compare favourably with most other ADAT compatible interfaces, such as Presonus' Quantum range, which commonly offer 16 x 48Khz ins/outs and is a rare area where UA's specs are beaten by others that cost a fraction of a rackmount Apollo. However, UA Apollos do have excellent dynamic range, the whole Unison and plugin DSP concept and offer a very high quality user experience over all. Great video! Best wishes.

[@EdThorne]

Thanks, Adam. There may be other devices that offer more ADAT I/O per device, that’s true. My set up offers me 24 in and 16 out via ADAT alone so I have plenty to expand with. Plus the X6 analog I/O I’m not even utilising yet. Plenty more analog gear to buy 🤣

[@7MOONS2023]

Thanks for this .. u solved my problems ❤

[@joshford3832]

Just wondering which lunch boxes you are using for the 500 series pieces? Awesome video!

[@TheOliveradams]

In my studio : Apollo x8 , Apollo twin x quad , satellite quad and satellite octo , 22 DSP total 🙂

[@sakumacox5032]

I got on this band wagon 8 years ago with 3 silverface units. Then UA decided to ignore Windows users. Luna for PC, no. Spark...coming apparently. Don't hold your breath. Long story short. Silverfaces went to Ebay and I called Apogee.

[@jayortiznyc1254]

Great video!! You should make a video on the Flock Audio Patch.

[@EdThorne]

Thanks. I have one planned in and amongst a load of 500 series content. Probably starting in the new year.

[@ItsTommiii]

I still don't understand how to connect outboard gear to the apollo twin without the daisy chain, could you make a video speaking on this subject?

[@EdThorne]

What do you mean by Daisy Chain? ADAT in is straight forward. Analog in requires going into the Preamps (preferably via Line-In with the gain set to minimum (10dB) to minimise preamp influence).

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

Wow that is really impressive. If I were a Mac user I seriously would have gone the UAD route. I wish they supported PCs more seamlessly. You're right their ecosystem is not for the faint of heart nor light of pockets lololol. Definitely find them on the used market for sure. Right now I'm running the RME Ucx ii and RME octamic. Outboard wise I have the UAD MK610, BAE 500c, DBX 560a, BAE 1073, SSL Pre VHD in a Neve Lunchbox. I'm still building out my gear, but yours is really nice. Thanks for sharing this.

[@EdThorne]

That’s a lovely collection. How do you find the RME?

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

@@EdThorne aye thanks bro I appreciate it. So far so good with RME. Their drivers are rock solid and the preamps are pristine and extremely clear. I did not realize what I was NOT hearing until then as it was extremely revelatory. Originally I had a presonus 18/18 svl or something like that. The headroom on the RME is very generous as well. The software of Total Mix definitely takes some time to wrap your head around, but overall almost zero latency on my system. I record at 48/32bit float @ 64 sample rates, so it's about 2.12 mms in Cubase 12.

[@ankeviousoliver4472]

Bro. I had a PC built with a thunderbolt 3 compatible motherboard. I'm running a Apollo twin x thunderbolt on my PC and it is amazing. I can record at a 2048 buffer with next to no latency and the sound is crisp. Just letting you know its possible even though people told me it wasnt.

[@mrzprettyfeet]

@@ankeviousoliver4472 Yep, I have a monster 20 Core Windows 11 Laptop running my Apollo x6...Combine that with UAD Native the "limit just left the building".

[@ankeviousoliver4472]

@mrzprettyfeet I freaking love it. Sounds like a beastly setup. I'm still in the same setup but switched my apollo with a Lynx Auora 32.

[@future_Victoryofficial]

UV can be used on mastering Bus

[@XmenPlayTheXbox]

At around 9:20 I notice your Apollo being directly below the euro rack unit. I’ve heard it was recommended to leave 1 unit of space above the Apollo but I don’t have space like that. Therefore, I was wondering if it’s fine to just not leave space above it just as you’ve been? I was going to put a patchbay above the rack being that it doesn’t have significant depth so that maybe the airflow will be better. Do you think this is a good solution?

[@EdThorne]

The depth of my Wes Audio 500 racks is shallower than the Apollos leaving plenty of space for the Apollos to cool down. It’s been fine.

[@138productions]

I want to know the pros and cons of running +25 instead of +20 in the UA universe. Does it make the drawn waveforms smaller and the tendency to overload as have visually smaller drawn waveforms?

[@EdThorne]

Are you referring to the +20/+24dB headroom setting in Console? It gives you more headroom on the analog I/O of the interface.

[@138productions]

Thank you for chiming back in. I was running the apollo twinx,, then added the x6. With the option to run at +20 or +24. I am a bit confused on where the headroom advantage comes to play. Is it on the input side, (allowing me to drive hotter inputs with my external mic pres running through the uad emulation inserts or is it on the output gain of my mixes before they hit "0". My first encounter with this I found I was distorting at the DAW, even though the drawn waveforms, (which I formerly watched like a hawk) where distorting but only filling about 2/3rds of their potential "draw space". It felt like I was distorting much earlier in the gain staging that I did when I ran at +20. It doesn't make sense to my ears. Any clarity would be much appreciated, but now I'll keep watching the input gain on my pre's instead of the drawn waveforms in my DAW.@@EdThorne

[@ayoreverb]

This is massive🔥🔥

[@EdThorne]

It’s an impressive system.

[@niksoification]

Given that UAD Apollos are daisy chained using a thunderbolt 3 cable, how do some studios manage to have the Apollo twin on their desk and another rack mount unit on their rack? The maximum length of cable for a TB3 cable is 2 meters and the distance between the studio desk and rack is usually much longer than that. Are there any TB3 cables that are longer than 2 meters and actually work? Or are these studios using a different type of connection? 🤔

[@chadfayrobinson7537]

I'm PC Pro tools with x8 and rack silverface apollo and I just want to use hardware as (inserts) during mixing but just can't solve the latency off set. I guess I have to go Pro tools HD

[@shygrammer]

At that point, why not just get a high end digital mixer?

[@libtekk]

English please, I just wanna get uad ditch the Scarlett and plug in a few devices like mpc, mics, moog, prophet 6 and a spare 1 or 2

[@EdThorne]

Get an Apollo X8.

[@OskayNejat]

Well, i wonder, i have apollo 8 mk2 quad and if i buy apollo x4, will it be an upgrade for me ? Which one has better ad/da connectors ? İs there any differences about sound quality while recording vocals ? Do i need to buy x4 ? Or apollo 8mk2 quad is still better ?

[@EdThorne]

I believe the X series has upgraded converters but you’d be very hard pushed to hear a difference. You have a very good set up with what you’ve got. Maybe try and external preamp/compressor combination, or different Unison preamps/channel strips. The API Vision sounds great!

[@OskayNejat]

@@EdThorne thank you so much 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@jonasvestergaard2306]

does it make sense to pair a satelite with a scarelett 18i20 just for the DSP?

[@EdThorne]

If you need to free up CPU on your computer, yes. 🙂

[@livewarp]

Surely DSP is dead with the advent of Apple Slicon?

[@EdThorne]

Not if you want to track into your Apollo through UA plugins with zero latency (sub 2ms).

[@livewarp]

@@EdThorne Ok, but at what cost, I looked at it but for a home studio I felt the price was prohibitive also I make a point of not buying into proprietary systems, they can pull the plug at any moment especially if Apple buy them:)

[@livewarp]

So I looked again at the UAD ultimate bundle which is good value but when you see the % of dsp they use, Apple silicon knocks it out of the park. I’m sorry but I believe it’s already game over for UAD dsp. Time will tell.

[@EdThorne]

@@livewarp My comment was referring to the on-board Apollo DSP which powers the Unison and monitor insert processing. This happens on the Apollo not on your computer, remember. So if you want this, DSP isn’t redundant. I agree for mixing, the Native plugins run superbly on Apple Silicon and additional DSP is not required. But all the processing on your Apollo still requires DSP.

[@livewarp]

@@EdThorne Having watched a couple of videos on Unison I understand what you’re implying. It would be quite interesting to buy a Twin Heritage, for that purpose.

[@gumminenivijaybabu7576]

Bro cool cool 😎

[@lamasteve6905]

Could it be changing ?

[@sapv]

Yeah... Ditch UA and Apollo and go buy an RME Fireface UFX+. You get a WAY better driver (UA drivers are cumbersome and very non-intuitive), almost endless routing without fiddling like UAD, with MADI connections and a channel count up to 96 INs in one interface. (You'll rarely ever need that high of a channel count in a studio session. You won't be recording full on orchestras with choirs if you're thinking about one of these interfaces). The "DSP" in UA interfaces is not as awesome as they want you to believe. For example, You get an apollo Twin with the idea that "it has DSP". Load just a couple plugins and you're out. Similar with the higher-tier Apollo interfaces. The only serious way to get UAD plugins running is to get a UAD Satellite (ka-ching). And, let's talk the elephant in the room... Luna... Why would you? Just go get any of the other DAWs available. You'll be more flexible being able to work with something that you can find outside of your own studio.

[@Abelesque]

hi and thanks for this video. I would like to ask you one thing: I have an Apollo Solo and I need more dsp. I only use the Console without any daw (only Luna opened to have 8 inserts in the Console instead of 4). Should I buy an Apollo twin x duo, or should I buy a dsp accelerator / satellite? Thank you

[@EdThorne]

So do you need the additional DSP for Unison pres and monitor inserts? If so, you need a device with more on-board DSP, such as the Twin X, as you've mentioned. I'd suggest getting the quad model (4 DSP cores). The Satellite DSP can only be used for mixing purposes.

[@Abelesque]

@@EdThorne i use apollo for live streams and don't need daws. I have unison pre and 4 inserts on mic imput. If i open LUNA my insert in console becomes 8 instead of 4 but, when i try to put in the fifth insert i see that i haven't not enough dsp. So i was asking if i need a stellite or bigger audio interface to solve my problem.

[@EdThorne]

@@Abelesque More DSP on the interface then. A satellite won’t help you here. You need on-board interface DSP.

[@Abelesque]

@@EdThorne Thank you so much, you suggest twin x quad instead of twin x duo only for dsp of the quad model have better hardware?

[@EdThorne]

@@Abelesque One has more DSP, otherwise, they're identical.

[@sr.fasp1221]

Greetings. one question: with support will I get 70% closer to the analog sound of the real hardware or less?

[@EdThorne]

Hello. What do you mean ‘with support’?

[@sr.fasp1221]

@@EdThorne sorry i meant uad apollo plugins...

[@EdThorne]

@@sr.fasp1221 You can hear for yourself in this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmW9ZKl3fphri5Y Although, not quite the original hardware… I have since bought a Neve preamp so may do another comparison.

[@sr.fasp1221]

@@EdThorne thank. bless

[@progressivedemagogue8480]

So if I get an Apollo x will it power my solo? Id like to chain them

[@EdThorne]

If you get a rack mounted version (X6 and above), yes. You can’t link the desktop Apollos (Solo/Twins/X4).

[@progressivedemagogue8480]

@@EdThorne thanks

[@progressivedemagogue8480]

@@EdThorne So I ordered the x16 but I've got a solo that I could use so could I have the x16 and solo working together as I like the solo on the desk top

[@step62]

If i only have just input optical in my twin x, i can't use 500 series as insert ? because i dont have output optical... ?

[@EdThorne]

Correct. You need an X4 or higher, which have optical in AND out. The optical ins can be used for external preamp and inbound processing chains though.

[@step62]

@@EdThorne Thanks for the insert. And if i use another interface like the otcopre, can i use it as insert ?

[@EdThorne]

@@step62 Yes, you can use external preamps units/racks such as an ASP880/Ocropre in the ADAT/optical In.

[@inamiiLIVE]

is it cool to use apolo with my pc powered studio

[@EdThorne]

Yes, as long as your PC has a thunderbolt port (USB-C, although the same connection, won’t work, unless you have the Twin Duo).

[@exothrill999]

how did you connect the 500 series chassis to youre apollo?

[@EdThorne]

Wes Audio chassis to the Flock Audio via D-Sub25, then Flock to X8p also via D-Sub25 cables.

[@RajivSamaroo]

Remember u can’t use the satellite cores for tracking tho

[@HaHaDK]

REMEMBER: only 4 units can be daisy chained per TB3 port: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gV6zn6Vpf7aCisk

[@EdThorne]

4 Interfaces plus 2 satellite DSP Cores. Potentially 64 channels of audio with the X16. How many more do you need before getting a c console?

[@HaHaDK]

@@EdThorne Some people aren't fully understanding how many units total you can daisy chain on each tb3 bus. I see the same confusion on all the forums.

[@hbrookes]

I disagree! You don't need the $2000. Unit any more than you need pro tools! I have the presonus 192 and would put its dsp and mic pre's right up there for one third of the price! Learn audio and dont try to buy knowledge. Just sayin...

[@opticalman6417]

in 2024 no on needs dsp just get a i9 computer and some uad native plugins and your away

[@anton-vlasenko]

Apollo is overpriced and sounds just like my 200$ SSL 2. Of course, I'm speaking from my own experience. And their plugin prices? C-Vox C-suite costs 349$ while Acon Deverberate costs around 100$ and is arguably better.

[@PurpleMusicProductions]

Yeah UADs plugin prices are a bit steep, even on sale. Their hardware is extremely expensive unless you go to the used market, hence is why I never went down that path.

[@EdThorne]

@@PurpleMusicProductions There are cheaper options but hopefully this video and my last one outline where the value is🙂

[@EdThorne]

I’ve not done an Apollo Vs SSL comparison directly but the primary difference is the warm Apollo pre sound vs the slightly saturated and heavily coloured SSL sound.

[@jazzmastert]

It's a bit like any premium product, I guess - you're either prepared to pay for the functionality and approach, or you go elsewhere. Not doubting the SSL 2 conversion and preamps but clearly Apollo offers a tremendous amount more, if you're prepared and able to pay.

[@anton-vlasenko]

@@jazzmastert I understand this is a premium product. For example, I gladly paid for all of my Apple computers, knowing what I paid for. However, here I don't understand it. The conversion is not better than in SSL (I did not notice the difference). I returned my Apollo Twin X and am glad I did it. I felt relieved.