Homeland | Remember When: Saul Worked with Dar Adal | Season 4 Episode 12

[@factbeaglesarebest]

Great actor and actress here. The look Saul and Carrie exchange... brilliant. No words, just purely conveyed non verbally

[@stoplisteningtothestatic7078]

1:51 awww does dar adal have a kitty

[@eli-6789]

she's amazing

[@SeanScarbrough]

ok I still don't understand why Dar & Saul backed Hakani. Can someone explain the play? I'm looking for a recap but can't find much about that. I will just assume the obvious strategic move; keep your known enemy unofficially close so you can contain him. Rather than face a power vacuum from unknown hostiles due to retaliatory blowback.

[@spleen5527]

+Sean Paul Haqqani has their asset list, he's done a lot of damage. Much better to do a deal with him. Haqqani stops any and all attacks and in return he's not on the kill list.

[@mikeronquillo1451]

Remember Haqqani has the video tape of Saul in exchange of Taliban prisoners? It was never made public, because Haqqani knows a top official will make a deal with him. If that video is uploaded in the Internet, the public will go wild against CIA and the government. Imagine the outrage of the American people, seeing an old man traded for prisoners who can do more harm in the long run. Saul will be considered damaged goods, so Dar Adal made a deal with Haqqani.

[@potitishogun2961997]

@@spleen5527 And so, Haqqani managed to get away with a 32-count kills of American troops, which is just swept under the rug everyone can save face. This man is a boss. A Taliban terrorist that is understandable and relatable in a way, when it comes to explaining why he thinks the way he thinks and does what he does? That's some strong writing right there. By far my favorite character in the show.

[@Arakko-i7h]

S3E04 Carrie specifically says: "You should have gotten me out of the hospital Saul, you shouldn’t have left me in there" near the end of the episode. What else could that line have possibly meant other than she WAS really going through it while at the same time trying to draw out whoever it is that she's managed to fool into thinking she'll help. Carrie and Saul came up with their ~ruse~ after the 12/12 bombing - the basis of it was that Carrie would sacrifice herself somewhat publicly so that she’d be more alluring to the Iranians. That part worked. She understood the broad strokes. What Saul didn’t tell her is how far he’d go to sell it: leaked her relationship with Brody to the press, called her crazy (and lied) on national television in front of the Senate committee, had her committed to a mental hospital and left her alone to rot. Carrie did not know any of these things would happen and she was forced to go along with them so as not to “spoil” the plan and also because their relationship is toxic and codependent. The first third of season three is really interesting in this regard because it plays both ways. Carrie knows and she doesn’t. She’s in on it and she’s not. At any given moment, any given scene. It’s real and it’s not. So when she says, “You should have gotten me out of the hospital, you shouldn’t have left me in there,” she’s telling him that he went too far. He took advantage of her mental illness for professional gain (remember Saul is trying to become CIA director permanently at this time as well, and this play is a part of that) and while she more or less let him (again, she had a choice but she didn’t), it doesn’t make what he did (or, more accurately, didn’t do) any less heinous.

[@plutoniumcore]

Dar Adal mic drop

[@Arakko-i7h]

After a few days of relative domestic peace, Carrie learns that Dar Adal talked Saul into a compromise with Haqqani and the Taliban. She’s horrified, of course, and betrayed, and wracked with guilt over everyone Haqqani killed at the embassy in Islamabad. But it’s her fault, for pushing too hard, for going to Dar’s house to tell him she caught him in Haqqani’s car, for thinking she was doing a good thing by burrowing deeper into another unfixable problem. She feels dizzy from a lack of oxygen, punched in the stomach one too many times. Her life has been slowly crumbling around her for months, a sinister whisper in her ear reminding her that she brings destruction with her everywhere she goes. Her father is dead, her mother might as well be, and her mentor just fucked her over in the most egregious way possible. As if they weren’t crouching behind a blown-up car dodging machine gun fire from Haqqani’s men just two weeks ago, as if Haqqani didn’t kill embassy employees as a simple show of strength, a blood sport. The news about Saul’s betrayal is painful, but more importantly, it severs another one of the few remaining ties she has to DC. She can’t just sit around while everything is falling apart around her; she needs to stay active, vigilant. Maggie always said one of the most annoying things about her was that she couldn’t stay still, and at least that’s one thing that will never change.

[@Arakko-i7h]

Dar Adal gives saul a copy of a video that haqqani was holding onto. it seems to be a major plot point in the finale but i'm so confused about the content. was it when saul told the CIA not to exchange the prisoners for him? why would that be so valuable?! It’s the video they made of Saul in S4.E09, before the prisoner exchange. It’s basically proof that Saul was held prisoner by the Taliban. At the time Saul wanted back in the CIA-he wanted to be director again! If that video had been made public, it would totally have derailed not only his bid but any chance he had to do real intelligence work in the CIA again (similarly, everyone freaks out in S4.E01 when an image of Sandy is leaked on the news). It was essentially blackmail. Of course, in the end, Carrie derailed his bid anyway, and for that we continue to stan. What was Saul's opinion about Brody in S2? And why is there a change of opinion fromsaul about him at the end of S3? Saul never liked Brody. He had to tolerate his existence because of Carrie. At the end of season three I don’t think his opinion has changed. In fact, I do think Saul actively hated Brody, NOW I don’t think he wished him dead. Saul wasn’t happy with his execution in Iran because despite his hatred for Brody, he still did what he said he would and Saul has principles that dictate that they (the CIA) should fulfill their end of the bargain.

[@christinelambert3155]

when does the new season starts?

[@electricfireplace5071]

+Christine Lambert tomorrow!!!! yes!!!!

[@christinelambert3155]

+ElectricFirePlace thank you!

[@Arakko-i7h]

The worst final episode in Homeland's history in one of the most crucial moments of the series. parkistan real? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIGqZXtpjbqLZ7M I am speechless for my disappointment. Even I, who wanted to know the answer of who is going to stay with Carrie (I thought she would stay with Quinn just so she wouldn't leave the USA) knew that it wouldn't matter at all (as it didn't) this season. As the episode was almost 1 hour long, I was waiting for something to happen and I'm actually waiting until now. It was a bucket of cold water. there was no haqqani, no Pakistani nucleus and the appearance of the mother of carrie like that, out of nowhere, it reminded me of the wandering characters of revenge. The bad thing is that we know that the fifth season has the potential to be wonderful, but now let's hope that the first ep compensates for all this ruin. Ah, I love Quinn, now he decides to return to active duty because the carrie ~~ didn't have the head to think about it ~~ (which is fully justified for those who lost a father and found their mother) has no sense. Anyway ¯ \ _ (ツ) _ / ¯ We can say that Dar Adal was one of the best-built characters in history - alongside Brody, Carrie, Saul and Quinn... It would be possible to clarify the following doubts: - I would like to see Homeland reveal how the CIA explained Brody in Iran and his death to the American press. Clearly, Javadi being able to take credit for capturing Brody helped his cause in Iran, but did the US government reveal Brody's role in Akbari's murder? Was his name cleared for the CIA attack? I'd love to know what you thought. - Another loose thread: Paul Franklin and the murder of the "real" CIA bomber. You just did that ... why ?? Carrie was publicly humiliated, beaten, doped, shot and put her life on the line countless times without hesitation, just to make others see Brody as she saw him ... and succeeded. Abu Nazir, the CIA, Jessica and the show's own audience, no one came close to seeing Brody with the clarity Carrie has always seen. Carrie has always read Brody like no one else. Ah, Carrie's dialogue with Javadi was awesome, it will be one of the most memorable moments of the series, without a doubt! "And what you wanted, which was for everyone to see in him what you see. That has happened. Everyone sees him through your eyes now ..." - How did Carrie see Brody? and how did the US come to see it? It's the world?

[@Arakko-i7h]

@Majin Vegeta Dar Adal (F. Murray Abraham) informs Saul that he made a deal with Haqqani. In exchange for Haqqani agreeing to no longer harbor terrorists in Afghanistan, the CIA took Haqqani off their "kill list". Saul is offended that such a deal was made and that Haqqani cannot be trusted to keep his word. Adal presents a memory card containing the video, given to him by Haqqani, with the assurance that Saul no longer needs to worry about it surfacing. He invites Saul to come back and lead the CIA.

[@Arakko-i7h]

@Majin Vegeta When Martha visits Dennis in the cell, and tells him what happened, it occurs to Dennis that the explosions are a diversion for an attack on the embassy. He confesses to Martha that he told Tasneem Qureishi (Nimrat Kaur) about the embassy's hidden tunnel. Carrie, Saul, and the bodies of Marines are brought back to the embassy by the Pakistani military.

[@Arakko-i7h]

@Majin Vegeta As Marines are hit around Carrie, she phones Col. Aasar Khan (Raza Jaffrey), asking him to send the Pakistani military. However, Tasneem Qureishi (Nimrat Kaur) reveals that the ISI is helping the Taliban, to Khan's disapproval. Tasneem asks Khan to delay the soldiers by 10 minutes. The White House cuts relations with Pakistan and prepares to evacuate the surviving embassy personnel.

[@Arakko-i7h]

@Majin Vegeta Carrie and Quinn share a passionate kiss. Carrie backs off and warns that any relationship with her can only end badly. Quinn says he wants to leave the CIA but won't be able to stay out without her help; he asks her to think about it and leaves. Quinn is approached by an associate, Rob, who presents him with a new assignment: the assassination of three high-value IS (ISIL) targets in Aleppo, Syria. Quinn refuses the assignment, saying that he is quitting. After a phone call with Carrie, Quinn assumes that she is going to refuse his proposal. He accepts the mission just as the assassination team is about to leave, after having written his own letter, addressed to Carrie. Carrie has second thoughts and tracks down Ellen, wanting answers for why she abandoned the family. Ellen confesses that she was a habitual adulterer, and after she became pregnant from another man, she decided to cut ties with the Mathisons. Carrie is taken aback by this, having always had the belief that her father's bipolar condition was what made their marriage untenable. Carrie tries to call Quinn but only finds that his number is out of service, after which she visits Adal, demanding to be put in contact with Quinn.

[@Arakko-i7h]

@Majin Vegeta Carrie confronts Adal with the knowledge that he met Haqqani in Islamabad. She asserts that Saul would never endorse a deal with Haqqani which would dishonor all of their fallen allies at the embassy. Adal tells her to ask Saul herself, revealing that Saul is outside on the deck. Carrie looks at Saul, realizing that he did agree to the deal, and leaves without saying a word to him.

[@wojciechkwasny9244]

Seasson to late...