Homeless in Seattle: Why are so many of the city's citizens living on the streets?

Anderson Cooper travels to Seattle to find out what the city's doing to deal with homelessness and why so many people don't have a roof over their heads. See the full report, here: cbsn.ws/2qVakB4
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[@PacificNorthwestViews]

Craziest part is the thumbnail for the video doesnt show the pickup truck sized piles of garbage the camps have right next to them

[@user-ur2bx5ks1q]

What ever happen to the champions in America who were always ready to fight for the causes of the poor?

[@benjaminkaarst]

Wealthy foreigners can buy land and property in the US while citizens are squeezed out of the market. Moreover, hedge funds can get 0% loans to purchase hundreds of thousands residential properties (including trailer parks) and rent it out to minimum wage workers. These two factors make housing too expensive for your average citizen. Btw, every politician knows this but they would never do anything to decrease property value.

[@halotubb1110]

Visited Washington (Seattle) for work this week. I couldn't believe such a beautiful city has so many living on the street. It's heartbreaking

[@prestonphelps1649]

Its called freattle.

[@fabb5]

Keep sending money to wars...

[@chnalvr]

It's now March 2023. I have lived near downtown Seattle for 17 years and love it here. Especially during the worst of the pandemic the nearby parks filled with tents. Now, those parks are empty of tents and people are again using the parks for their intended purposes. I'm not reporting for the entire city, but this is what has changed and improved where I live in Seattle, especially within the past year or two.

[@beambooi6431]

Yeah I live in San Diego and the homelessness problem seems to have gotten better here too. Back last year downtown was filled to the brim with transients, now it’s rather vacant of homeless here in downtown

[@CenturyofTerror]

If I was rich, I'd send homeless people from all over the country to Seattle.

[@davidmuresan628]

Homeless on my own property in USA, Washington State. I house homeless people and now Island County wish to close my legal renting and to send me out from my property to live as homeless. #2 says “all residents of the three-bedrooms house on the Property to vacate the premises within 14 days. After 14 days any person remaining in the houses may be removed” In all previous orders, the house was exempt. #3 says: “Mr. Muresan may reside in a personal vehicle on the(his) property. Mr. Muresan shall not enter or reside in any recreational vehicle of any kind, or any building on the property” #5 says: “Island County may shut off power supply to the garage/carport building and any RV. After 14 days may shut of electricity to the house” # 6 says: "Island County may physically secure the garage, RVs and any other structures that have been used for human habitation”

[@MauriceRivers415]

NYC, Seattle, Los Angeles, Santa Cruz, San Jose, Honolulu and San Francisco are constantly on the news for their high rates of homelessness: what's the end game here? For one, there needs to be more oversight for funding allocated to addressing homelessness in the first place. A large chunk of these nonprofits that receive local/federal funding, are a HUGE part of the problem.: the people who want to get off the streets, can't. They give them just enough resources/information to check off a box, but not a real ladder to escape chronic homelessness/drug addiction.

[@nathanielaustin1420]

This can never be fixed there are evil forces and principalities in this world and they always wanted control now are in control or at least seem to be from far. Homelessness is worsening everywhere even in rural areas with salaries people can't afford a roof over their heads in the south.

[@raymondcook8364]

Who shoved Obamacare down America's throats, forcing tens of millions of full time workers to become part-time workers? Bingo, King Obama and the Democrats in Congress. Place the Blame where it really belongs... on the Democrat party.

[@Patrick-cr7ql]

100% of all these people living on the street have some kind of drug or alcohol issue, and to say otherwise is lying about the problem. This problem is due to a lack of will on the part of the local populace, otherwise they would have voted the local officials OUT of office in favor of Officials who WILL do something, like just enforce the LAW!

[@alinalemanska2029]

You are spreading such dumb lies.

[@patrickbertlein4626]

I can guarantee you the homeless population today is not from Seattle. This all came in the last five years or so, its new, and I wonder how the local homeless population feels about it to be honest. I have walked by many homeless camp areas and talked to, been friends with, and been homeless myself to a degree, so yes I speak with some experience.

[@ryankelley5160]

Citizens is a strong word.

[@anthonyballard8468]

Applicable.

[@ijvo1951]

I live in a little town in the White Mts up in New England and I go into the closest town to go shopping and there are homeless middle-aged women and seniors with signs asking for help. There are homeless senior citizens and Veterans. America what are you doing to your people.

[@ijvo1951]

@Leaders Of The Old School Littleton NH I live in Bethlehem. This is why I think we need Bernie Sanders as President he is an FDR Democrat as opposed to the Third Way Democrats that came in with Clinton pushed the Democrats right. Big mistake...

[@ijvo1951]

@Leaders Of The Old School Both the Republicans since Reagan and the Third Way Democrats since Clinton have been slowly dismantling our Social Programs and this is the result.

[@ijvo1951]

@Leaders Of The Old School We have to elect FDR Democrats again like Bernie Sanders and a few others that are running so we can rebuild our Social Programs again using our Tax Dollar for the people instead of bailing out corporations owned by Billionaires.

[@ijvo1951]

@Leaders Of The Old School ISSUES Housing for All berniesanders.com/issues/housing-all/

[@gbeachy2010]

I suggest it's because they don't have the money to pay the tribute, otherwise known as property tax. We take perfectly fine citizens and make them homeless because they are already poor. You do not "own" your home. You rent it in perpetuity from the local school district.

[@stockjonebills]

We need a cultural re-thinking in the US. Perhaps even a new party. One that isn't radical progressive to insanity, but not Reagan dogmatic conservative either. I don't want communism but I'm not against ideas that have worked in other socialist countries. Liberals have been causing problems because they think things like quick minimum wage increases or hefty taxes and regulations will make things better. They don't. In fact they have exacerbated the problem. The West Coast is a perfect example. In California people just endlessly vote and pass the same BOND measures. It's always more millions of borrowed money hidden under the guise of improvements for education and the environment. With all that the education system is a failure, costs are still increasing. Add to that the fact that the tech hub in those west coast cities has led to much gentrification. It's a mess for West Coast liberals. You also have to fess up. It's not just a cost of housing crisis, it's a drug problem and a bit of a slacker cultural problem too. On the other hand, many conservatives on the right think an unbridled free market and competition is the only solution that will fix these problems. It will definitely increase the number of jobs created and fuel the economy, but creating hundreds of low paying jobs with rising costs isn't helping to keep your middle class strong. We lost all those big bread and butter jobs like manufacturing. The middle class in the US is shrinking and that is NOT good for the country as a whole. Yes even those of you on the wealthy side will feel the hurt if our middle class keeps shrinking. Also the free market trickle down ideas have shown themselves to be an absolute failure in industries such as the US healthcare system. It's shameful. Trickle down in some industries has mostly resulted in oligopolies not lowered costs.

[@NBGTFO]

You dismiss conservatives way too quickly. Most, if not all of these urban areas overrun with homeless have been under democrat control since the 60's. A third party isn't going to happen so maybe give the conservatives a try. They certainly couldn't do any worse. Democrats have proven to those who can think that they are corrupt and uncaring for the people that put them in power. Wise up.

[@anonymous4405]

It's called a democrat or a republican. Not a "democrat" or a "republican"

[@WA-uq1rh]

Land of freedom ? Freedom from having to live in a house....

[@LadyLubdan]

Lmfao. There are actually people who choose to be homeless. They'd rather do dope & sleep on a street corner.

[@tatianaallen913]

Now is crazy, I had to move 25 minutes far from the city.

[@skydiver1013]

(1) Ban Investors from buying and owning single-family homes. Investors can only own apartment houses. (2) Only American citizens can own US Real Estate. Foreign Nationals can own Condos but no land. (3) Ban the State from increasing property taxes to more than 1% yearly. (4) State and Federal funds by law are directed to housing, drug rehabilitation, and mental health before foreign nationals receive public housing money. (5) Veterans should have a specific program for housing, drug rehabilitation, and mental health just for Veterans.

[@titakristengco]

Democrats or Republican nothing will change.

[@deborahcox2363]

idk maybe aks someone who cares or who can donate to the cause.....also, why does the video end after 31 seconds?

[@JJSeattle]

First, they need to lock in property tax to actual purchase price. Secondly, they need to move all social programs to a city/town/area away from business districts and neighborhoods (75% will follow). 3rdly - need to audit the business of homeless - billions spent, where is it going, who's friend's business on city council profiteering off these contracts? 4th, accountability - 1 person in charge - CEO of Homeless - see change - they get to keep their rosy job renewed every year. 5th...well, that's enough for now. Get on it before we criminalize poverty because the city failed to act.

[@prestonphelps1649]

Their not from Seattle

[@petewilz6622]

What tf happen to the beautiful city we ounce knew 😔

[@williamcondon7729]

People are suffering, who cares about the city. Take pride in people not places

[@petewilz6622]

You right about that man.. i love the city its where i grew up

[@williamcondon7729]

You grew up with people, love them or love new people. Don’t waste your life defending a thing, love others first, defend them if they can’t defend themselves, but love them first. The city is a people not a place, but it’s easier to love a place because at times it’s hard to love people.

[@anonymous4405]

@@williamcondon7729 lol those homeless people will shank you. stop defending people you don't know.

[@bleuraven]

It's called 4 decades of reagan's glorious trickle down economics. Meanwhile, the billionaires are doing quite well, thank you.

[@Sch2155]

32 seconds encompasses "60 minutes"? Is that irony?

[@mikeanderson1611]

I would love to live in Paris, London, Seattle but can't afford. Why do these slacker, dopers who don't have jobs expect to live down town Seattle? Move out to places that are cheaper and have jobs where yo can work to pay rent. Oh, I forgot you don't want to work.

[@TheTacfour]

Sorry to pop your bubble Mike, but as the Light Rail pushes into the cheaper areas surrounding the city developers were waiting with expensive new high-risers for the techies soon to follow. Already established landlords in low rent areas raised their rents in these newly hot suburbs forcing low wage people further out into the country or into vans and tents. The letter carrier's job was in the city not in Snohomish.

[@fainafaina8004]

@@TheTacfour you are an idiot public transportation help poor people to reach the workplace without taking car loan. stupid yankie

[@LadyLubdan]

Because they expect everyone else to support them & work while they lay around in the streets getting high

[@gbeachy2010]

It seems few people relate property "taxes" to the creation of homeless people. Thousands of otherwise honest folks are deprived of shelter because they are poor. How about, just as a modest proposal, we don't kick people out of their homes because they can't pay a fee? Who else gets their homes confiscated? Drug dealers and terrorists. Why do we impose the same punishment here and then ponder "why do we have homeless people?"

[@206remyboyz7]

I completely agree, the problem is they don't care as long as it's not in there own backyard like communities like Bellevue, Mercer Island etc.

[@Corvin666]

Because they are not citizens?

[@Make-Asylums-Great-Again]

They live with the policies they vote for, what's the problem?

[@thisthatandsoforth3752]

You live where you can afford. The ship has sailed for many wishing to live in Seattle, that's just the way it is. Doesn't help matters when looney progressive approve one levy and initiative after another, property owners pass those increases on to their renters. I'd love to have a brownstone in Manhattan, but that's not gonna happen either.

[@btrixlestrange6432]

It's because the rent is too high and minimum wage is too low. It's really disheartening to see so many homeless people in the city. I'd like to watch the full 60 minutes but can't find it anywhere.

[@ig8895]

Because it's on Sundays like the past 50 years...

[@TheTacfour]

@@ig8895 I'm sure beuhtrix meant on KZbin.

[@steveelrino1339]

I tell fellow Seattleites to find this segment (keeping in mind what an icon of journalism 60min is) to understand how real fake news is.

[@bread-chan6650]

Free rent?

[@GAY_RULE]

I've met a few commuting to work and most come from other states. Stating Washington gives more. Who knew being generous was such a bad thing lol

[@jdog667]

With rent taking over by greed ,its no wonder !

[@judyelmayan3484]

Per the LA times 76 percent of the homeless are on drugs and or mentally ill. That leaves 24 percent and I bet some of those are alcoholics. Some must be illegal aliens. Then the rest are stupid. You know what average people do when they can not afford to live some place? This is not a jeopardy quiz. THEY MOVE to a area that they can afford to live. Just last year my sister a life long NY renter with a job and her common law hubby with a job left due to a sever rent increase. They went to PA he was self employed so he just continued in PA and she found a better new job there immediately. They live in a real house with a yard and love it. It is quiet,clean,and said they were stupid to wait so long to do this. They should have done it yrs ago. Get a clue you with out drug problems or mental illness. The internet is you pal. Find a job in a new state that you can afford. Do not live in a vehicle or on a street.

[@aaronburns9538]

Most come there from other states for all the freebies.

[@alinalemanska2029]

Yea, all that rotten food in the food banks is a real lure.

[@jkelly5957]

The Thirteenth Tribe: The Khazar Empire and its Heritage Book by Arthur Koestler

[@RazzLerSkedaddLer]

Its happening a ferry ride away too.

[@Dumbluck14]

Alot of homeless live in the woods in Kitsap County.

[@greentony412]

It’s a shame in great United States, where the most valuable thing in your life, and how you can make money would be your home somewhere where you live and you need your family to have shelter, but your whole life and manhood is surrounded by somewhere for you to live I make over 68,000 and I’m sleeping in my car till I get a place at roommate cut a case won the case. That’s why I’m homeless they put me out till I prove my innocence but still cities should have homes for working people so they could have shelter because we could pay for it. It needs to be reasonable no credit check, maybe just make sure we’re not sex offenders I’m just saying

[@dennysmith7862]

A tearful elderly dignified African man in the Botanical Gardens in Cape Town, informed me about our President (Cyril Ramaphosa's brother-in-law - richest man in Africa - Patrice Matsepe), paid REAL MADRID SPAIN SOCCER TEAM R200 000 000 MILLION TO COME TO PLAY ONE (1) SOCCER MATCH IN CAPE TOWN...not so long ago.... This poor man was homeless and hungry and very ashamed to ask me to please give him something to eat...which I did but I was speechless at what he'd told me and checked the info... SHOCKED TO SAY EVERY WORD WAS TRUE!!!

[@user-ur2bx5ks1q]

I think everyone knows how that in third world places the only people that their leaders care about is themselves. But the saddest thing about that is that the people are afraid to fight for fair treatment.

[@LadyLubdan]

@@user-ur2bx5ks1q That's why you have a revolution.

[@aBc-123-XyZ]

It's time that big businesses bend toward the will of the people, instead of people bending towards the will of businesses. Doing what businesses want, has put people in positions they can no longer afford to keep up with. We need some form of rent control across this country. Giving us a tax write off during tax time, if most of our pay is going towards rent,does not solve the problem that happens monthly,rent and other expenses. People with good pay move to other counties and then the rent goes up in those areas, it's a chain reaction. What is the justification for the increases other than greed? With homelessness, you have seen the breaking point people have reached in their lives.

[@TheTacfour]

@Prophet KZbin Most citizens have yet to be put in cage..

[@davidmuresan628]

Homeless on my own property in USA, Washington State. I house homeless people and now Island County wish to close my legal renting and to send me out from my property to live as homeless. #2 says “all residents of the three-bedrooms house on the Property to vacate the premises within 14 days. After 14 days any person remaining in the houses may be removed” In all previous orders, the house was exempt. #3 says: “Mr. Muresan may reside in a personal vehicle on the(his) property. Mr. Muresan shall not enter or reside in any recreational vehicle of any kind, or any building on the property” #5 says: “Island County may shut off power supply to the garage/carport building and any RV. After 14 days may shut of electricity to the house” # 6 says: "Island County may physically secure the garage, RVs and any other structures that have been used for human habitation”

[@LadyLubdan]

The will of these people seems to be to do dope all day.

[@khmernomad206]

Stupid question. All big city’s have this problem. It doesn’t define Seattle . Quit trying to justify this hobo problem. For the hate on my city.

[@arnulfocoronado3608]

No way Jose!!! that's migrants crossing the border and dropping off buses.

[@GoodmanTheatre-op5ry]

This was 4years ago, genius.

[@anthonyballard8468]

Anyone ever been to Right to Work states?

[@Hotflop2011]

Hey Larry !

[@stevenvonsancho]

Drugs

[@IWantToMature85]

Help them out don’t exploit them

[@QuitYourCryin]

Or dont help them and they'll leave or figure it out

[@LadyLubdan]

Why? They don't care. How many of them will give a bj to a random stranger for $20.

[@QuitYourCryin]

I wonder how that $15 min wage is going for them.

[@moonshoes8931]

Housing is a human right. They need houses, minimum wage isn't even enough to cover their rent. The wages should be higher, ykno Australia does like 20/hr or something like that? The answer is MORE WELFARE! Look at Denmark... Canada... Places that care about their citizens. Viva la Revolucion!

[@dwalker8645]

dimslee

[@FAIsurgery]

Capitalism deserves a lot of the blame. Housing has gotten to expensive. With capitalism there are winners and losers and the homeless are the losers. Drug use deserves a lot of the blame too. But drug use is also a symptom of poverty.

[@LadyLubdan]

Drug use is a symptom of being selfish & immature.

[@jwsf941]

Isn't Seattle home to the "Wet House" model for those abusing alcohol?

[@TheTacfour]

I never heard it called that but I did go to the opening ceremony (2004-05?) I was a sceptic until I found out that all of the people taken off the streets were elderly who were qualified for SSI. Some had major pensions like from Boeing but because of deteriorating mental issues never collected those pensions or their Social Security either. When I was there, there were 71 units, 20 of which were just cubicles on the first floor for those with months to live. The other units were tiny apts clad in washable walls, ceilings, and floors that could literally be cleaned with a hose because drains were placed in every room, at least that was the case when I took the tour.. Since this was a private project (done with the city's blessing) I left wondering who was scamming who. Rehabs.com is a major critic of "wet houses" because there is no counseling except for those who want it but they miss the whole point. It was to keep people from dying in the cold and rain and give them shelter. Maybe the notion that these places seem to make a profit ought to be an issue but it isn't.

[@Hotflop2011]

@@TheTacfour that’s a lot of effort for nothing but cheers to you

[@dennysmith7862]

The "priveleged" interviewing the "under-priveleged"... who'd have figured??? Mans inhumanity to his fellow man (& woman & children)... Money-grubbers are going to face horrific times (it's coming - Commercial exploitative fatcat world is going to hit the dirt) but to those now suffering & experiencing it everyday, and used to it... will survive somehow...

[@dissturbbed]

Leave, come to southeast Texas. Rent is cheap plenty of jobs even the weather is great

[@dude4173]

Yeah, except it’s flat, boring, and hot.

[@killerkano79]

@@dude4173 good thinking.. stay where you're at don't move to texas

[@ubermikesocal]

0:19 Here is your mail. By the way, could you spare some change? I am hungry

[@sanbetski]

UberMikeSocal jeez not cool. These honest people prefer to work a decent job rather than beg and be a hindrance to society. Have some respect. Not cool.

[@haustyl12]

Homeless people from all over the country, flock to the west coast because laws are way more lax on them. Seattle police doesn’t do anything about it anymore because the mayor/city council prevent them from doing anything. Not to mention there’s many city’s right outside Seattle that has affordable houses. People seem to not understand that you don’t need to live in Seattle to work in Seattle.

[@TheTacfour]

Where do you live that's near Seattle and affordable? I live 25 miles from downtown and nothing is affordable. Seattle police don't do what exactly? Beat people in the streets? Mayor Jenny Durkan has the Seattle police sweeping homeless encampments and has been doing it all winter. There is a reason why the DoJ has the Seattle PD on federal oversight and it wasn't because they were too lax on the homeless.

[@bobbisue313]

@@TheTacfour what is average rent near Seattle?

[@TheTacfour]

@@bobbisue313 Average is $2,000 for a one bedroom and $2,800 for a two. Those numbers tell only part of the story because over 80% of what's being built is high-end catering to highly paid techies.. Seattle is somewhat unique because our laws on affordable set asides are much weaker than other major cities. I think in the 2-3% range with easy get arounds while other major cities require up to 20% or more be made affordable. People who yelp about Seattle being a socialist hellhole or that $15 bucks an hour caused this have no idea what they're talking about. The average techie wage (2017-18) was $64 per hour according to the conservative Seattle Times which is what's fueled this building boom and put rents, condos, and houses beyond the reach of the common family. The Light Rail, combination subway and above ground rail line, brought affordable neighborhoods within an easy commute to downtown which brought large developments following the tracks. Landlords with small older rents in those once cheap neighborhoods raised their rents from the $600-$800 range to over $2,000 and higher because they could.. Outlying towns from Everett in the north to SeaTac in the south are having their own building boom because people trying to escape high rents are flocking to wherever they can trying to find something they can afford and then face long commutes. This is all self-defeating because when people are paying the bulk of what they earn just to find a place to sleep that leaves little to spend on anything else and that will tank the economy. Over 45,000 apts in projects of over 250 went on the market just this year in Seattle. No idea how many were built in smaller projects or how many condos. No idea how many large rental projects were and are still being built outside of Seattle but they line all of the commuter routes.

[@bobbisue313]

@@TheTacfour wow. That's crazy. Thanks for the info.

[@LadyLubdan]

@@TheTacfour It IS an elitist hellhole. They deserve the homeless problem.

[@ReligionWhistleBlower]

Dear 60 minutes and all the other medias around the world. The Almighty Creator commanded all of His prophets to pay 10% of their net income or "Tithing" or "Cleansing Charity" respectively to: Needy Parents- Relatives- Fatherless children- HOMELESS PEOPLE, Needy people- Aliens- The Beggars - who are living on soil or in the streets - Those who ask for help- Also, near Neighbor, who is a relative- The neighbor who is farther away- a Friend who is near you- Debtors and so on. By this system of our Creator no one should have been HOMELESS. But, those wicked preachers and rabbis changed those sacred verses in those Scriptures and said, "PAY YOUR 10% CHARITY TO THOSE CHURCHES & SYNAGOGUES" so they could get rich every day. Rejecting this very important Law of our Creator results Disasters through our life. Like lack of health, accidents, losing money, property damages and so on. Just look at the Bible belt area with so many disasters every single year. Do not let those wicked religious leaders Rape your Heart and Soul. That is why we have million HOMELESS people who are sleeping in the streets. All of these preachers and rabbis responsible for HOMELESSNESS. There are 1500 pages of computer printouts available based on pure mathematics, the exact science. How come journalists have searched and researched every single subject yet, they have not looked at these scientific facts within the past 45 years?

[@JonnyB-td9oq]

Tithing is not biblical, the book of Malachi was talking about crops, also these churches never tell us about the firmament, why don’t you research the firmament in Genesis 1. What these evil churches don’t want you to know about. God bless, please have an open mind and let the Bible speak for itself.

[@ReligionWhistleBlower]

As you know so called Bible was written by people who said it was revealed to us. And through the years those wicked preachers have distorted it much more to their own benefits. Like the name Jesus is a made up and you would not find that name in the original Bible in the Aramaic scripture. Even the name of Bible is made up and fake, That is why the whole Bible belt area is getting a 1000 tornados every single year plus hurricanes, floods, and fires yet no one cares. Now there is a scientifically proven scripture based on 1500 pages of pure mathematics. As you said we must be open minded. Peace

[@alexg8637]

The greatest country in the world.

[@user-ur2bx5ks1q]

LOL

[@LadyLubdan]

This is what social programs get you.

[@RC-dj7ec]

There is hope people. His name is Jesus Christ.

[@ourfatherinthegreen4065]

Stuff it.

[@ALICE-zx4ed]

Blame it on the previous administration with the wrong policy towards China, and ignore how they raise their tariffs for the U.S. goods shipping to them and their goods shipping here with no tariffs, how could so many mistakes happen with at least 3 Presidents with the cost of the Americans lives and money?

[@TheTacfour]

The China policy goes back more than 40 years, not the last 3 administrations. China isn't the problem. It is us.. We're the ones who set policy and the Chinese were more than happy to comply.