The Lebel is Meta and that's okay

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The Lebel 1886 is a strong weapon in Hunt: Showdown. It might not surprise you if I say it is meta. But I mean, that's okay with me I guess.
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[@HomeReel]

Wellness check: how ya doing? edit: hard times are followed by good times boys, hang in there

[@lucas-fh3me]

fine, thanks for asking

[@telphex4471]

I haven’t won a game in four days. Otherwise fine

[@TapdotWater]

Moving into my first apartment today, exhausted. Buuuut got my first prestige in hunt yesterday, so I'm happy

[@0p32]

I hate Hunt and hunt hates me

[@chowderpower7192]

I've been struggling lately... I've been going from one thing to another, to where I can hardly save up any money... I'm living very paycheck to paycheck right now, and it's very stressful. Watching your videos does help put a smile on my face though.

[@teagenbarnett6269]

Fun Lebel fact, while the rifles magazine only holds 8 shots the 10 shot capacity isn’t inaccurate and is shown correctly in game. By lowering the loading level and resting a cartridge on top and then loading a cartridge into the chamber the rifle can hold 10 shots. This was never accepted by the French military though as the rifle has no manual safety

[@psycosanches589]

I'm pretty sure that lead to a practice of French Soldiers loading up the 8 or 9 then, when they were expecting battle, open the bolt and drop the last 1 or 2 in there.

[@teagenbarnett6269]

@@psycosanches589 I’m sure you’re right, I should’ve specified that it wasn’t accepted in the official manual or arms. If I had to fight that god awful reload I’d want as many in the gun as I could get

[@psycosanches589]

@@teagenbarnett6269 I was just adding it as some some trivia

[@KillerOrca]

Battlefield 1 does that too Im fairly certain, the reload on the Lebel has a two-stage bit where you cram two extra rounds in

[@teagenbarnett6269]

@@KillerOrca on a partial reload yes, the elevator is lowered, one round placed on it and another in the chamber. Very cool detail

[@SultanOfAwesomeness]

One thing I love about Hunt is that it makes bolt actions feel so weighty and powerful. In most shooters, bolt actions are usually towards the bottom of any sort of unlock tree or are some sort of budget option, with automatic weapons taking the top spots. Here, it’s amazing how high- tech and impactful guns like the Lebel feel, and when you’re up against one, it can be terrifying. Really puts things into perspective.

[@KillerOrca]

1886 wouldnt be too far off from when this game takes place, would it? The Lebel would be top of the line for this time period.

[@anonvideo738]

Yeah, because most games take place in a later time period where bolt actions are outdated. So they speed up the animation (which makes it feel less chunky) to make them somewhat competitive against semi and full auto weapons. Sure, WW2 games should have a lot of them since not everyone could get the newer semi-autos, but in games like COD people can pick whatever.

[@lucasschigart2721]

@@KillerOrca Hunt is set in 1895. so yeah. almost all weapons fit nicly in there. the only thing that realy bothers me is the Romero Alamo, because the Alofs Device was patented 30 years later in the 1920. just a minor flavor missfit.

[@KillerOrca]

@@lucasschigart2721 This is a universe with old gods and weird shit in the swamps so I’m willing to suspend disbelief for it XD

[@jeffreymonsell659]

Hell yeah. I'm so sick of automatic weapons in shooters. But I've always preferred semi-auto/bolt action anyway. My favorite gun in Halo was always the Covenant Carbine.

[@kobi399]

Fun Fact: The velocity diffrence between the mosin and the lebel is so little that at 1000m the lebel round is less than 13ms faster, witch means that at 60fps they impact in the same frame and thus it makes no difrence.

[@eliaquadarella2948]

*60 frames - me, with more than 2k hours in the game on PS4, elaborates, starts laughing, then cries and roll over

[@Fwright88]

Just out of curiosity, is the collision detection running at 60Hz? I've never really thought about it before

[@Hapetiitti]

And even then, doesn't long ammo despawn at 500m? They raised it from 300m a year ago in 1.6, but has it been raised even higher since?

[@andrewcollins6701]

Servers don't refresh by your fps, they have a tickrate that's independent of fps. I believe hunt's tickrate is 80hz

[@lred1383]

@@andrewcollins6701 I guess that means at about 1000m away the Lebel will hit exactly one tick earlier than a Mosin. Oh wait, bullets don't even fly that far. Oops.

[@maxfrankel5139]

Fun fact: back in beta, black powder smoke was a MUCH more important a factor to consider; if you emptied an uppercut while peeking a window for example, it was basically impossible to see through the smog for several seconds, sort of a built-in anti camping incentive. People hated it however and it got nerfed pretty hard. Sad.

[@N0031inq]

I miss old Hunt. Weapons were also way harder to use so you saw more melee builds.

[@akaroth7542]

Dang, wish that stayed

[@bljet4388]

@@N0031inq u see people talk about it but in what way were they harder to use?

[@N0031inq]

@@bljet4388 a lot more sway and much slower to get into aim down sight. Couldnt move quickly after going in ADS and you could not switch weapons fast. There were fewer guns back then and most were blackpowder weapons and had huge smoke and fire effects when firing which meant it was hard to keep on target after shooting. The game has become a lot faster and more about movement and quick shots. Also all the new guns added to the game has changed it completely with spam and slugs and all that changing how the gameplay works. But that is just a few things. Overall the game is better now but just very different and I do miss the old shooting but I understand most people would hate it for being clonky and hard / annoying.

[@bljet4388]

@@N0031inq interesting but that way single shot rifles would have been useless cuz you cant quickswitch to your sidearm, unless they had buffed damage and all that. Game just needs to be watered down for balance.

[@archer260]

The Smokeless Powder is also the reason guns like the Mosin, Lebel, and Berthier have such high muzzle velocities. Black powder is unable to send projectiles downrange that fast.

[@literallyasneeze2135]

The spitzer rounds is what the real muzzle velocity should be. Around 3000 feet per second.

[@lambsauce5312]

​@@literallyasneeze2135spritzer are supposed to be more aerodynamic and lighter tho

[@lambsauce5312]

​@@literallyasneeze2135also thanks phone for autocorrecting spitzer

[@lambsauce5312]

"unable" isn't true It is if there's enough/the projectile is light enough

[@literallyasneeze2135]

@@lambsauce5312 Yes? And?

[@F4Wildcat]

The lebel is the gun i love in Hunt:showdown and the gun i hated when i was allowed to fire it at the gun range 10 years ago. The loading was horrible, the bolt was sticky because of the rimmed cartidge and the sights were tiny.

[@no-legjohnny3691]

It was a brilliant rifle for the time of its invention (around the time that Hunt takes place), but in comparison to arms made only a decade after it (let alone 140 years), it really did grow long in the tooth quickly as the kinks with repeating rifles were worked out. Thus, the Lebel was left serving in parallel with those later models, but was stuck with the issues that come with being "the first".

[@F4Wildcat]

@@no-legjohnny3691 And the thing is. The french almost did it correctly. Because the inventors of the 8mm lebel and smokeless were gonna work on a brand new rifle wich had an internal magazine fed with a charger and a whole new bolt design. But frances prime ministet demanded a rifle...any rifle, in 5 months. So they took the existing kropatchek design and elements from the grass rifle and bam= lebel.

[@Peagaporto]

@@no-legjohnny3691 Same with the "Specter" (Spencer) shotgun, that loading elevator is weird but I get why they did it like that at the time.

[@jjfro]

That was me with the Berthier. I had the not so fortunate opportunity to fire one last month. I am pretty experienced and that thing still bruised me for a week. Holy kick

[@F4Wildcat]

@@jjfro i fired a Berthier Rifle and that was a nice shooting rifle! But the carbine? The mousqeton? BAH! The worst recoill from a bolt gun was a steyr M95/30 stutzen i fired in Luxembourgh. I think my shoulder cracked that day

[@thingthingsss]

I would absolutely love it if they added a feature to enable the magazine cut-off in the Lebel variants that aren't the aperture. Like, imagine how cool it would be to hit the X button so that the rifle was essentially a single shot for your 5 reserve ammo rounds, then hit X again so that you could run the loaded ammo for a faster fire rate. It also would be entirely accurate to how the actual rifle works, too.

[@stillfrosty1413]

It never registered that the lebel didn't pop smoke after shooting which was pissing me off with most other guns

[@crezzyt]

And thats realistic as well, the lebel was the first ever smokeless powder using rifle ;) Edit, he just said it, i must say sorry and beg you to forgive me my sins!

[@itszaque5031]

This whole video just makes sense, after toiling through the doldrums of medium ammo homereel has returned to the comfy, plush and warm embrace of long ammo.

[@HomeReel]

if I sound chipper, long ammo is just a nice respite from the worse ammo types

[@rexbababa]

Not gunna lie, I’m this close to taking an electric lamp into scupper at night.

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

Definitely my favorite long ammo rifle. I've been taking it with t he sparks pistol for a MASSIVE ammo reserve.

[@aninterestingname4907]

watching these as a console player is always cool, cause seeing a lebel marksman on console usually means alot of missed shots and running away, but on pc it seems like a french hunters' wet dream

[@jameslaubenthal9061]

Idk what your talking about dude Lebel Marksman is headshot after headshot at high mmr

[@kneemerls]

I'm using apertures since I do love the field of vision outside the sight it give compared to the other sights, but didn't know that it would be made better with the trait Steady Aim ! Thanks for that tip. x)

[@goger7558]

I love how it cut away from you absolutely slaughtering that guy with the talon to an ad, like it was too graphic for television. Great work as always dude, keep it up!

[@theshadesofreal9372]

Only Meta Gun I have some respect and love for. Also, @HomeReel, at 5:25? you are everything I loathe in this world

[@HomeReel]

lol this comment got held for review by KZbin

[@royalsoldierofdrangleic4577]

I never played hunt but i love the weapons in this game for the looks and variety, and i never shot a firearm but i love the Lebel for the looks and how it works. Too bad they did not make a bayonette version of the Lebel, cause the "Rosalie" is a typical thing of these rifle, but it might be redundant with the talon version. Also i think a cool rifle to add would be Krag Jorgensen. You can load it with a round chambered when you don't dump the entire magazine (kinda like the sidegate guns but you need to close the magazine for repeat fire not just work the action). And one of the version could be a swift with the krag speedloader.

[@Peagaporto]

Not really rendundant, winfield got both and they operate quite differently.

[@gergokerekes4550]

yeah, the krag is rather interisting, you just put the rounds into its hopper and it does the rest.

[@nd_gunslinger_6264]

The 30-40 Krag would be amazing, I own one IRL and I love shooting it whenever I have the time

[@nd_gunslinger_6264]

Honestly I hope they add the Chauchat machine gun to combat the Mosin Atvomat, the Chauchat already has a very slow fire rate so I think that and maybe mounted Gatling with a slow reload and stick magazines or Puckle guns to help kill bosses and guard the bounty with limited ammo count would be kinda fun

[@shoelessbandit1581]

@@nd_gunslinger_6264 bit of the wrong time period for the chauchat my guy

[@tiramin]

Thanks to listen to my feedback even tho it was a minor change

[@CetomimusGillii]

Yeah, I think the Bert needs to cost the same as the Lebel, I think it's hard to deny that it's a side-grade at worst. While they're at it, all T3 rifles could probably use a ~20% price increase. At 1.3 KD, I'm not exceptionally good, yet I have usually around $10k as I prestige, despite running almost nothing but Bert ripostes and deadeyes (with the occasional Lebel Talon because Augur) past 62. Personally, I doubt the pick rate would even noticeably drop until a price hike exceeded 25%. There is NO downside besides ammo reserves, and that only really affects people like me with below average aim. So I just take the Bert, whose 4-5 shots per box is fairly comfy without an Uppercut, and downright cushy with one

[@tiramin]

@@CetomimusGillii I honestly don't care about losing bullets with Bert when doing a 1 to 3 partial reload because how fast it is, unless I see I'll be in a long fight really needing that ammo. Either Berthier should be more expensive or the mosing more cheap, the price difference is too high. (This leads me to use the mosin only if it's the obrez mace variant)

[@CetomimusGillii]

@@tiramin I agree with all that. The Mace is amazing with a bow, but I prefer the deadeye to the sniper, the riposte to the bayonet, and the en bloc clip reload to the stripper clip reload.Only downside was getting used to not automatically mashing R to top up after taking single shots. But on top of all that's they aren't really in even footing anyway because you get the Bert 10 levels earlier, so you have all the nice variants by the time you get the base Mosin. So yeah, I only end up taking contraband full-length Mosins. Bert could definitely use a price increase, and/or perhaps an unlock level increase, as of now it's over-performing for $356 at lvl62.

[@federicobellavista634]

Long ammo users are either the most skilled marksmen in existence, or the slimiest, filthiest little rats, creeping in the attics of buildings or in the crevices of old barns. Still, this video makes me want to play the Lebel even if I turn into a rat.

[@pfirestarter29]

No need to call out my whole existence, lemme scurry in peace while I nibble on your heels...granted, missing most of my shots.

[@federicobellavista634]

@@pfirestarter29 Me: "Look at that noob with long ammo! He's missing all his shots! What a scrub..." Also me, missing an entire volley of Caldwell Conversion Chain with fan fire at point blank range: *Bruh*

[@callsign_lucky9214]

Lebel talon + sparks pistol was what I was rocking with for a bit. Enough ammo for just about any engagement and a close range option in the form of a blade on a gun.

[@TheRageaholic]

I know the Lebel is *supposed* to be 'Meta', but judging by sample size, it seems like the Vetterli is far more ubiquitous. The game needs a new bolt action rifle, though. We get 90 different shotguns and only four bolt-actions?

[@CheeseyBreezey]

"The forbidden play style" And "If you play like this seek help" are two of the most accurate statements I can think of when it comes to snipers. especially in this game.

[@fritzflitz]

i really enjoy the lebel lately aswell, even more than the mosin for some reason. either the normal one or the marksman variant

[@artyomnikulenko7096]

TIL you can delay the bolt cycle by holding LMB, which also allows to preserve a bullet on partial reloads. That is awesome

[@edwardlane5637]

I feel a few small nerfs to long ammo would help the game more than harm it. :) I love these weapon guides - perhaps a shotgun or pistol one next?

[@N0031inq]

no no its not stale that long ammo meta has been king since EA. Smokeless weapons should be super powerful and I feel they should buff them even more but then give them the Dolch treatment aka make them fire special ammo by default.

[@Sadeyr]

One thing you definitely want to keep in mind with the lebel is that, like most guns that lose a bullet, you can hit and hold R after a shot to instantly load another round, not needing to empty the gun or lose a bullet in order to reload, with no need for bulletgrubber. ALSO, this is a finnicky mechanic and doesn't always work out. So to make sure it does it right, hold the fire button(left click) down after firing, you will not automatically ready the next round, and can hit R at any point while holding down left click to reload without wasting a bullet. This is much less glitchy than firing and holding R, so I would use this method.

[@HomeReel]

that's in the video!

[@Sadeyr]

@@HomeReel It is? I must've missed the tidbit!

[@freaki0734]

another way to avoid the chambering is to switch to another gun after firing

[@Tes_1]

I missed this in the video, this is a great tip!

[@SweatyMcSweaters]

I used the Spitzer marksman to finish the summon for Spitzer kills. I favor it now more than any sniper in the game. Fantastic.

[@bambi20082148]

Fucking love that the talon variants got buffed, specially since the Lebel Talon trial skin is so good and a medium flex

[@Kiabeta]

I love the Lebel I prefer it over the Mosin because of the lower price, and needing to reload less often.

[@somedude1324]

Yea, it’s great. Only thing is the visual of the “door knob” on the side is ugly to me.

[@Benethor]

But the Mosin reload is basically instant when you reload the whole clip

[@Kiabeta]

@@Benethor I guess, but being able to shoot continuasly is amazing, also almost 100 Hunt dollars less really ads up especially when you factor in an upercut and such

[@Benethor]

@@Kiabeta I never buy either of the weapons, i just pick them up and collect them to be honest :D I think i have about 30 Uppercuts right now

[@d4dave669]

Doing well after a long week. Happy that its Friday and your video is up!

[@HomeReel]

hey buddy, thanks for adding your flare to the intro. WE GOT A CLIP BABY!

[@andyfrom1993]

I still prefer the Mosin for the ammo returns from boxes. Just my opinion lol

[@KobraKai69]

Ammo pickups, one of the greatest weaknesses of the Lebel. You get 1-2 bullets vs 2-3 on the Mosin on an ammo crate.

[@gunthersunshine9418]

yesterday i had a double kill with one hit of the talon. its so nice :'D

[@hungryhedgehog4201]

The Lebel suffers from "early adopters" syndrome, especially with the catrige. Instead of developing a completely new catrige the french used their current 11mm Gras round and necked that down to 8mm which is why the round is so chonky. That is fine in a tube mag but the odd shape bit them in the ass later on. Stacking the round will lead to it form a circle (like with other tapered rounds like the 7.62x39 ak 47 rounds which is why ak mags look like that) which leads to some logisitcal problems if you want to for example make a rifle with a stacked internal mag and stripper clips (liek the berthier) or god forbid a magfed LMG (like the chauchat).

[@aidster77]

Im doing good man, had a job interview today and got a call in the middle of a hunt round to say I got the job! that one was worth afking for lol. even extracted with bounty and I didn't even do anything

[@pingufan1239]

Just a heads up, Spitzer ammo also maintains better damage over distance compared to base long ammo. After 100 meters you start dealing more damage than long ammo, so the further you go out, the more effective it is. I actually respect you for not knowing this because it means you aren’t a seasoned Spitzer user (AKA, a virgin)

[@MomJeans1738]

But wouldn't you knowing that mean you're a virgin?

[@patbe5877]

You killed me with the smokeless powder joke.

[@evanfishsticks8010]

I'm doing alright, thanks for asking Home! College starts in three days, and I transferred to a different school that I think will make me much happier than I was last year. Also a friend of mine is adopting kittens soon so I'll get to meet and play with them. To be honest the wellness check was a little unexpected, because you said you'd do one if I ever stopped requesting Bomb Lance videos, and that hasn't happened yet. Bomb Lance guide when?

[@HomeReel]

figured we could all use a little wellness check. College is a great time in life, I hope you make some good experiences this semester :) tbh I have exactly ONE bomblance clip so I'll have to up those numbers. Before 2022 is over, maybe the Halloween episode? idk

[@GMoneyGonz]

I love the Aperture. I don't see a reason to pick the normal Lebel in any scenario (as long as you have the money and it is unlocked). I keep the sight flipped down until I spot something in the distance, and ALL scopes obscure some of your vision, so that's not a valid complaint. So, its a Lebel with a little extra optional mag with no additional drawbacks. Win win!

[@HomeReel]

personal preference is fine. I think the talon variant will get you out of more binds than the aperture but just my opinion

[@pixelfrog8281]

I don't even know why, but I just hit the most insane flickshots with it

[@frusty7217]

the apperture obsures the most of all scopes is why, other scopes atleast at the sides you you have a clear view with the apperture you kinda need to be on point or theyll basically be impossible to spot especially if theres any sort of brush i also just hate scopes in general i can easily make do with irons even at like 100 meters

[@onaucc9899]

The Lebel Diopter is my favorite gun in the game. When you press X, you can toggle the Diopter, as mentioned here. I didn't know that for a long time, and thus thought Diopter variants were complete trash. That nice skin with the little flowers helps a lot, too. :)

[@JackRabbit41]

For the wellness check, very wishy washy at the moment. Some things are looking up, some not. I do wish my pc could run hunt a bit better tho :c enjoy your videos either way and cant wait to see more. Keep it up c:

[@HomeReel]

I wish my computer ran it better too :(

[@BraindeadCRY]

The Lebel Apperture is just a regular lebel that requires me to press X at the beginning of the match once

[@ac-384]

Spitzer on lebel marksman just turns hunt into a point and click adventure game

[@clarkmeyer7211]

I do prefer the mosin ngl but lebel is pretty cool. it just takes a lot more thought into your engagements.

[@ToxicPancake88]

Wellness check before home uploads: ☹️ Wellness check after home uploads: 🙂

[@HomeReel]

have I mentioned you do concepts cooler than anyone else?

[@ToxicPancake88]

@@HomeReel well now you’re making *me* blush ❤️

[@gbyjrjn]

First clip: no flinching

[@solidus1995]

Tbh I can feel the velocity difference on the lebel, idc what bs people talk about. I also think it has cleaner sights than the Mosin. Makes target acquisition more efficient. Just wish it had clips.

[@asumjessen2013]

Fun Fact: The Lebel was rushed though development upon the invention of smokeless power. The French wanted desperately to field this new powder in a spitzer cartrage to trump every other rifle out there, so took the reciever of an old french single shot bolt action needle rifle, a cheap tube magazine and fashoned the Lebel out of it. It only lasted a year before Mauser would come out with a better smokelss powder rifle, and later the British with a faster 10 round box magazine rifle. Both cycling rounds far faster. So it is entirely on point for the Lebel to be outclassed by better designs like the Mosin & Berthier in game.

[@Shenzi504]

NO ITS NOT OK, IM VERY ANGY RIGHT NOW GRRRR. LONG AMMO IS OP

[@DeathStrikeVirus]

Ian from Forgotten Weapons liked this.

[@martinford4553]

I wasn't expecting Pep to be in a lebel video.

[@gallakailancer3692]

That sight post is pretty good imo, its the kind I do well with anyways, the guns I nail headshots the most with are the scottfield and the lebel.

[@mafiacat88]

I gotta say, when I'm feeling like using a meta gun-this is it. It's been probably my favourite all-round rifle since I started playing the game; though that said, I don't actually bring it all that often. It's just...very expensive, and I find it far more satisfying to get kills with the springfield or the martini (or even the centennial. Fear me and my paper bullets). I will say it's kind of interesting how much more often I see moisins on bodies compared to lebels though, considering how similar they are.

[@robertoblarasin1846]

What a review! Clear, useful, fun and with interesting details (smokeless powder). GREAT! Thanks

[@kepipek6598]

I'm addicted to the Nitro and need help. Oh also fun fact you probably new, the reason why you get so little ammo from ammo crates is the same reason why you get so little for the Nitro and Dolch, because of "Natural" reserve ammo. Which is how much you have when the gun (and any guns stackin ammo with it are full) this is why whilst empty dual uppercuts and an Avto have the same amount of reserve ammo as empty dual Sparks pistols with an avto. If you have sparks pistols you get more ammo out of crates.

[@activeentropy]

To this day the only thing I can think of while playing the lebel in hunt is that the reload animation is wrong. They shove 9 rounds in the tube mag, it only holds 8. 8 in the tube, 1 on the lifter, 1 in the chamber. Hunt has it as 9 in the tube then 1 on the lifter, you wouldn't be able to fit 9 in the tube.

[@markd774]

I can for the info, stayed for the commentary :)

[@GeefYT]

You used my weapon skin AND commented on the smoke less rounds? Have a like and a sub mate. Also talking about cryteks attention to detail. The lebel had a notoriously hard bolt to move when trying to chamber a round. Compared to the mosin anyway. Next time you fire the lebel notice how hard your character has to wrench the bolt back with a lot of strength. The whole gun shifts, unlike the mosin where it's a casual flick. It's a small, but really appreciated detail. Nice work mate.

[@gerami8902]

Wait a minute, Sparks PISTOL? A man leaves for 7 months of deployment and comes back to a new favorite thing

[@robro2214]

wait til he hears about the mosin

[@jondabutitikalr559]

The only thing I wish is they make the iron sight more usable at longer ranges like the Mosin. Otm it's very blocky

[@sheena1521]

I hated this gun at first but once I figured out the iron sights I fell in love. It's the cleanest bolt action imo. Lebel > Mosin

[@kaibalsam1700]

*Song of the Onion intensifies

[@Rixon-qw4fo]

I love the Lebel but some time ago i developed weird quirk to use weird guns like berthier And since that time i only use Berthier for my long ammo playstyle If not that i just roll with winfield centennial or talon. But lebel was my first rifle and i still enjoy using it wven when i miss every shot because i got used to levering all day long xD

[@snapjitzy]

my favorite gun since I started playing 2 years ago. everyone thinks I'm crazy for picking it over the mosin but there's just something about it.

[@Keatosis_Quohotos]

Wellness check: I'm suffering

[@jusperknusper]

What's wrong?

[@akaroth7542]

Lebel Talon is a favorite of mine. Versatile

[@buddylake1824]

Hits hard and fires as long as you need it to.

[@sociallyresponsiblexenomor7608]

If you are a worse shot, the winfield swift with FMJ is a good choice also.

[@ShinFahima]

Those innocent barrels!

[@thomasstewart1380]

I love the Lebel, but I have found that it and the Mosin make the game boring for me. They are just so much stronger than everything else, that they don't let gunfights last an enjoyable length of time or make me feel like I earned my kills. Vetterli nails the sweet spot for me. It's still competitive, but not too strong that I feel slimy.

[@zedaf872]

I don’t feel like the mosin and lebel are op but I do understand what you mean with it being boring. they aren’t as OP or meta as many people say it is. since it is literally outclassed by most weapons that compound fights take place in.

[@thomasstewart1380]

@@zedaf872 I mean. They are as OP as shotguns. It is just range dependent. I'm also being sarcastic when I say OP, but when it comes down to it, they're the closest to OP in the game. They just outperform all other rifles at all ranges to the point you're at a disadvantage not picking them if you plan to use something that isn't a shotgun, crossbow, or bow. I think the only exception is like you said, inside compounds, but that really only applies to compact if you have FMJs. Medium is usually fine though. But yeah, my main thing is that they're just boring. They've been the meta since before the game even released. So I'm actually happy that shotguns with slugs are the new meta. Even if it's more annoying, it's at least different.

[@zedaf872]

@@thomasstewart1380 shotguns aren’t op until you add slugs. I used shotguns and I hit some dude twice point blank and didn’t die. Since you use the vetterli you should use the bayonet variant as I’ve trio wiped shotgun campers with it.

[@zedaf872]

@@thomasstewart1380 I mean it may outclass them in range but every weapon with compact ammo and medium ammo are faster than them so if you can hit your shots you can definetly murder them before they even land the first shot.

[@thomasstewart1380]

@@zedaf872 I mean, theoretically. But in practice, given that shots are usually a pattern of peek, fire, cover, move, and repeat, fire rate usually doesn't play into it as much. But the damage is close enough in a compound, their higher damage and range isn't as big of a factor. At least in my experience. Bouncing between 5 and 6 star lobbies, I've gotten used to only running into long ammo or slugs. Gone are the days of saber duels for me.

[@kato093]

Mmm...the lebel..i started with the lebel being my least favorite, using mosin a lot more. Then i switched to the berthier because it was a lot cheaper, had a super fast reload and ammo boxes gave more ammo making it the definitive long ammo rifle. I like the iron sights too, while not as good as the mosin, i still like them more than the lebel. But then the berthier suddenly stopped working for me for some reason. Idk, maybe it's the iron sights, it's just so hard for me to hit shit with it. Meanwhile, i used to hate the iron sights of the lebel but then i began to like them more than the berthier. So right now the lebel is after mosin and berthier is last. So wierd. And mosin is still king. No way around it. Has 5 shots, 10 in reserves, the best iron sights, highest damage, really fast reload. Definetly way worth the 200$ to 150$ more. However the lebel sounds better for me. Also, maybe because of the shitty iron sights and the sound, it feels the best when getting headshots. Hands down the best feeling gun to get headshots alongside the uppercut.

[@Scribbles69]

for whatever reason i cant use any aperture sight cuz they make me feel sick i guess its just the blurry edges that mess with me

[@Wastelander1337]

My only gripe with it is that those irons are just chunky enough to make it hard to aim with, at least for me Maybe I used the Winfield so much that I got spoiled, but if I'm gonna shill out for a meta long ammo gun I'm gonna go mosin just for the nice little stick irons

[@stangerr0267]

Same. The iron sights are just too uncomfortable for me to use the Lebel a lot

[@funkkymonkey6924]

A 10-round mag is better in trios, that's when I pick it.

[@Jack70M]

I watched this and then got a French ad immediately afterwards… so much french

[@Ayber_]

Never thought I'd hear s'abonner being pronounced as sawboner xD

[@aleksaborovac5024]

Damn it I still laughed at s'bonner or whatever it was

[@samduffy7628]

I’d love to see a Romero cleaver run. Keep up the amazing run

[@TapdotWater]

Love the Pep Guardiola clip

[@Chainsawwed]

A weapon that is both fantastic stats wise and completely unsatisfying to use. I'll take the Berthier over any other long ammo except maybe a Sparks Silenced in duos.

[@MasterHernan]

Spitzer... get complained about in the official Discord. LOL, amazing how extra muzzle velocity triggers people.

[@llllb2]

As always great content homie

[@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER]

This rifle has a fast velocity because it used smokeless powder, it was also used up to ww2.

[@Agent-cipher-6120]

I don't hate lebel for being powerful, I hate it because I'm a proud Mosin Man

[@Im12andwatisdis]

Buying spitzer and you get complaints from the official discord. This is very true, spot on.

[@RibsnWhey]

Damn I wish this gun was meta cos I could actually have some proper good rifle fights again, almost all my lobbies are about 90% shotguns and the occasional sparks, its really killing it for me atm.

[@wotwott2319]

funny how the French built the Lebel and then was like "okay this took too long to reload" and just made a gun that only fires 3 shots.

[@Yawyna124]

It's not just that it has a smaller magazine, but also that the Berthier rifle has an en-bloc clip.

[@tigerhatestobi2890]

Dude, I love Homereel vids

[@jocularsolid]

Must have had a helmet on

[@joshuaturcotte6724]

I find the Berthier Carbine to be a great French rifle as the sights are easy to read and its got unique features. While I do like Lebel and mosins in other games I find them hard to work cause the sights on the guns are so fucking akward and with dodgy hit-reg I can at LEAST have a good rifle as a choice. Blah blah buggy personal hitbox, I've stacked lobbies with a berthier so I got np running it. I personally am not a fan of long rifle meta that was introduced with 1.0 fuck up (it wasnt an update, it was a feature creep to get the CoD fanboys to buy in), the only thing that was good from 1.0 was the fucking HP going from 100 on hunter start to 150 for all hunter teirs. Scopes wernt needed, and the velocity difference ment headshots were skill. Now we got a fucked up arm hitbox (bigger then it should be since its bigger then the arm itself, limmited range on all fire-arms for 1 tap reliability (I hit the head outside of range a lot with most guns), and generally its either run a shotgun or long rifle still. Medium ammo got dirt nerfed accross 1.0 - 2.3 and they feel its fine to have rifles with the same effect as a shotgun, just a bit better headshot range reliability against slugs (keep in mind that shotguns have almost the same ammo economy as medium ammo guns, and with slugs). As a medium ammo and compact ammo runner, the updates have been "Gimmic hell" I got a fast loading revolver that can take all 6 shots to kill someone unless your within shotgun range due to the 20 meter fall off and piss velocity, the centenial has good velocity but does no dmg and the sight is off set and depending on the game can shoot high or low (depends on hunts fucking mood considering I headshot a guy in a tower when I was aiming at a guy at the first fucknig floor and I didnt get shot for there to be a 11 foot distance between guy in sights and the guy in tower eating a fat one), vetterli has been a great rifle but I've lost fights because the maximum penitration being 20 meters away (if its allowed, such as thin wood), and the fact that the compact guns hold damage better over range then it. I've had to 3 hit a person on average at 73 ish meters, when a conversion pistol or even the le matt will 2 tap them still (barring you dont hit the arm hitbox).

[@davidkocur7562]

lebel is a monster in qp. especialy if you find one later on. lebel marksman is incredible disgusting

[@snapjitzy]

As a mosin fan I wanna get more accurate with the lebel. Should I put the middle "spike" on my targets head/chest or rest the side" pieces" on my enemy's shoulders?

[@Katzenhaini]

lebel arpiture.... best weapon. gets even better with the skin wolfsbane. why you might ask after his analysis well think about the winfield arpiture but lots more damage. the only thing which causes harm in the gun is the reloaf speed from one bullet to the other, how to combat that is by firstly hitting your first shot and then finish of with a pistol. also why wolfsbane? cause it takes away the top of the needle this block this monster. best weapon for long range and good weapon mid range short as said pistol or melee

[@sneezmireniggity1145]

wow! the little details they add like the smokeless powder rifles versus the black powder rifles is so cool, i love noticing it when i get run up on by a team who i cant even hear because crytex wont fix the audio in their game! so cool!

[@shiekastate]

I love the lebel but the reload animation being incorrect to this day still bothers me. It reloads like there's 9 bullets in the tube and 1 on the elevator, but it should be 8 tube, 1 on elevator, 1 in chamber. So the little pullback animation to bring up the elevator is completely unnecessary as a bullet would have to be in the chamber for it to hold 10 bullets.

[@htpcdvd]

So glad I don't sweat this game; the more you play this game like a job the less fun it gets. Remember that? Fun?

[@6ch6ris6]

wish it had a bayonett variant. then i might consider it over the mosin

[@HomeReel]

winfield has a bayonet (musket) and a talon. Not too late to add it

[@LightTheMind]

Subscribed as soon as you asked me how I'm doing :)

[@Suileglas0415]

Would a Lebel swift make sense or no?