Why You Should use Schluter Ditra on Your Tile Job

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[@planesandbikes7353]

After struggling with mixing thinset on bathroom number 1, almost burning out my drill, I invested in the Ridgid 7135 mixer last year and switched to using All-set most of the time. It have variable speed, soft start, has an effective auger on it, and gives dual handles to easily control.

[@kennymonsters]

"your gonna get an amazing bond" with the rubber float, and an amazing ab workout which I think we all need LOL. Nice work sir, I learned alot!

[@keithtrusso66]

READ the instructions for mixing your thin set !!! .. Mix for 3 minutes, let set for 5, then , mix another minute .. Makes it spread so much better.

[@BuddyTobyTV]

Also what I learned if using their all set, when setting the ditra mix it as loose as possible (max water). Then when setting tile mix it as thick as possible (min water).

[@heinricheugenvonhelmbrecht6905]

You are a great instructor! Excellent teaching and work! Thank you!

[@Tattooclownfish71]

Glad I have him to help this green horn home builder I lived in shitty round down apts with slum lords sucking everyone money and not fixing anything so I saved and saved bought a trailer am rebuilding the whole thing drywall is hard I have no one helping either my mom is so proud of me am 53 had many surgeries in pain like nobody would want to feel and a part time job remember always fight for what you want and never give up or say I can’t do that cuz am doing it and sober that’s the kicker good luck to everyone be your own hero 😎😎😎

[@missingegg]

D*mn right! With the will to learn, the resources available on the internet, attention to detail, and a modicum of common sense, the regular Joe can take on all these projects. Will you do it as well as a pro the first time around? Probably not. But you can do well enough! And if you're worried, volunteer to help a friend on their home, learn some lessons, and then take on your own job. 🙂

[@Dragonhardt]

15:00 I perform occupational exposure sampling for many substances, including silica and respirable dust, and yeah I 100% agree that you are definitely not hitting your exposure limit with a few of those mixes. After sampling some gravel pits where dust is mostly from traffic, way more of a hazard from a dusty road for sure.

[@diamond33326]

Thanks for sharing your work.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

My pleasure!

[@Trainman0401]

Fantastic tutorial! QUESTION….Can the Schluter membrane be applied over self leveling compound?

[@adamh6190]

yes, always on top of the self leveling. not approved to pour self leveling onto ditra

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

yes, it is now. they have changed the recommendation in the last couple years now that it has been thoroughly tested. If you are using ditra heat you can also pour leveller on top if finishing with vinyl plank but never if finishing with tile.

[@billharr4309]

Love the videos. He's just like every DYIer but more knowledge

[@billsedutto8824]

That’s because he is (or was) a contractor

[@stevenperry4941]

My recommendation is if you find you are doing a lot of tile get a dedicated tile mixer so you don’t burn out a drill!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

definitely steven. I am working in Florida and trying to keep my tool purchases down to a minimum. Once I get back to Ottawa I will definitely be using my pro tools again. Cheers!

[@dbeaulieu9730]

Jeff I think you know exactly what you're doing but there's one important step I haven't seen you mention and that is making sure your sub-floor is screwed down properly. I use a 3inch screw making sure you hit the joists. A stagger of about 8 inches is good. and make sure there is no play anywhere before you do the Ditra.

[@Ender_Wiggin03]

Used this stuff for the floor in front of my fireplace, nice to work with. Eventually will do our master bathroom floor with it as well.

[@Participant616]

What about priming the plywood?

[@joshmara9192]

What drill do you recommend for DIY-ers to mix thinset?

[@Salmomlox]

Awesome video. Learned so much and new techniques. Thank you. 🏆🏆🤗🤗

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Glad it was helpful!

[@user-zo5rq6uf6p]

Hello, I haven't seen a video on a basement remodel using any of your drain/ insulation systems for a ceramic tile floor as the finished floor. Did I miss it? Is there a reason if none exist? Thanks for all your efforts to inform people on how things are done!

[@TexMechsRobot]

Is there a video where you talk about the subfloor on this project? Schluter say it can go directly over OSB and I'm curious about your thoughts and experience with that.

[@mortimersnead5821]

Dragging the mud diagonally is sometimes better at filling cracks. I find it easier to grout tile that way.

[@Nite20fly]

I ❤ watching videos. I am ready done my titles. Thank you 😊

[@papaalan1765]

As usual great video. Question: I'm thinking of re-tiling bathroom floors, we have concrete floor underneath so would you still use the Schluter Ditra Membrane on top of the concrete? Would the benefit simply be to prevent the concrete from sucking out the moisture of the tile thinset too fast or what? Thanks In Advance! Always appreciate the effort you go through to educate people.

[@kingtut6619]

Question: Can you use the All Set to set the tile, too?

[@gregwendt9546]

So I watched the vid because of the title “Why…” This was not explained during your core workout! Renoing a 35y old bathroom. Floors uneven and not level. Subfloor requires fixing in some areas. Would this be a good product to use to put a 12x24 tile on this floor? Considering using self leveling cement over the floor. Cheers

[@brandonhousel266]

Hey Jeff, your channel is the best one on KZbin! Off this video topic but wondering if you’ll do a video for lally columns in basement? My first floor is sagging in the center and I’m looking to install 3 lally columns in a 20’ section. Wondering about jacking the house up “close” to level then installing permanent columns.

[@JamieHitt]

After my 40 years of "Industry standards" and "best practices", I tend to laugh at any "current" version for either of them. How many iterations must we suffer regarding "the right way" to install tile...if all previous "right ways" are now the "wrong way"? How long before this too becomes "the wrong way"? So technically, ...in hindsight, ...until this, the correct answer was "You only install tile on concrete floors." Because every previous way to install on wood had been done away with. They never were correct. Or they still would be today.

[@petepetroff946]

So, what do you do when you’re on the second story of a wood framed house?

[@gregasper5211]

great teaching

[@boratbefunny]

Also, do not use large format mortar to bond ditra to the subfloor. The larger aggregate will not properly bond to the fleece backing.

[@marklunn321]

I've read that the sub floor needs to be pressure treated exterior plywood. Did you use that? Also,was the sub floor sealed with a primer? I chose this product because it a was only a few dollars more than the treated 1/2" plywood sheet I would have used. That would have made the tiles a little higher than the adjacent hardwood. The lower profile with a floor leveller should maintain the height

[@Maria_is_so_sigma]

Awesome video! Thank you for posting! 😊

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Our pleasure! Cheers!

[@michaelkeister8473]

Will the cement you used in this video bond to floor leveling cement?

[@amberbiggs]

Can you spread the extra thinset on top, even if you plan on not tiling until the next day?

[@spieringfamily]

can you use this over particle board subfloors?

[@kbabbitt4115]

Would you recommend this for a fireplace hearth?

[@billwu8581]

as a complete DIY beginner. I can see why you do this for washroom for waterproofing. However, what is the advantage of doing this for rest of the house ?

[@keithtrusso66]

It's a separation membrane. Keeps any defects in subfloor transferring to tile ..

[@jamesfagan8127]

Hello I’m that home owner that buys a $300 tool made for contractors 😂😂

[@dalaube]

I have (*had* I should say) the exact same drill. It was a great hammer drill for the price, but mixing a full bag of mortar will let the smoke out, lol. So for anyone who doesnt want to spend the money on a dedicated mixer, this works in a pinch but dont get carried away.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

definitely mix small batches. Cheers!

[@dalaube]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY some lessons you learn the hard way

[@StarrTile]

*If you thought laying this down was a lot of work, try ripping it up.... not only will you spend your whole day doing it but you will totally screw up your subfloor... just because they make a product doesn't mean it should be used*

[@bjellison905]

Sounds like it definitely should be used

[@StarrTile]

@@bjellison905 there has to be a problem for there to be a solution, 24 years of setting tile and I've never used that crap nor have I had a failure

[@scottfalcore]

As a GC I always put down Ram board down after the subfloor is installed because of the damage of all the trades coming on site. Now you know of one person that protects the subfloor.

[@ThatDIYguy403]

What kind of damage are you referring to?

[@nickyj3571]

Gotta love that Ram Board

[@chriscolameco6850]

Same

[@chriscolameco6850]

@@ThatDIYguy403 globs of drywall compound, paint, caulk, Spray foam. Everything. It costs more in time to clean all that than to put down ram board and take it back off

[@chriscolameco6850]

@@ThatDIYguy403hot sauce

[@karenreneelyles261]

What is the purpose of the membrane? Does is protect the floor from Water? Or is it to protect the tile from breaking?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

it does 4 main things. waterproofing, ands structure to reduce deflection, and provides a uncoupling system to protect tile from cracking due to expansion and contraction that occurs on direct bonding installations, it also acts as a crack isolation system so when installed on concrete if the concrete cracks that crack will not translate into the tile as well.

[@kcronin7211]

would this allow for in-floor heating elements?

[@jammykam]

Great timing, we are going to get our basement renovated and was just looking into this product. Do you recommend using this over concrete on a basement floor bathroom (house was built 2020). Looking forward to the next video!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

In my opinion it should be considered necessary! basement floors will crack and this membrane will protect against translation and cracking your tile.

[@jammykam]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Great, thanks for the reply. Makes sense, and this is not not very expensive material wise for small areas!

[@happycamper6188]

Thanks for another great video. I always learn so much watching you work! I'm about to do this to my bathroom and wanted to ask...would it help to use a primer (maybe SBR?) on the ply before installing the Ditra membrane? Thanks again!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

using a multi surface bonding primer is a great way to get a great bond to Osb. I highly recommend it as a great way to protect yourself from delamination which can occur if your thinset is too dry when applying. the primer effectually makes the install almost idiot proof. Cheers!

[@mattheweveleigh6351]

Hi there, I am replacing my tile baseboard in my bathroom, I will be cutting 9” all around my bathroom so much easier to take off that way and save time, when putting back the new drywall do I have to crack fill or put the new tile over the drywall?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

if the tile is going to be cut the same height then simply screw the drywall on and tile away. Cheers! the use of caulking the plastic edging on the tile to the drywall will guarantee no cracks will form.

[@mattheweveleigh6351]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY ok thanks for your help…

[@themarshallsart]

Awesome video, Jeff. Love the details of using Schluter's product. Can I use the same process with a cement basement bathroom floor as it is very level? It was only poured 4 yrs ago (new home in Niagara Region). Or should I install plywood first with Tapcon screws. Carpeting at the door threshold so I want the height to be as similar as possible.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

no worries. direct bond to the concrete is perfect. Cheers!

[@themarshallsart]

happy to hear that. My OCD says thank you lol @@HomeRenoVisionDIY

[@themarshallsart]

But I can't find the membership code in order to post in the forum. Can I get some guidance?

[@weekendwarrior3420]

I threw old carboard over my subfloor when doing drywall. What's so difficult about that. They also sell rolls of thick brown paper...

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

site protection is definitely something to consider. Cheers! but I still recommend wetting the osb before applying the thinset or use a multi surface bonding primer.

[@Methodical2]

Did you have to add plywood onto the subfloor?

[@fabienbiziman5537]

no, The plywood is the subfloor. there is a previous video.

[@mdsssssssss]

cost/sqft value vs longevity comparison of different brand uncoupling membranes tho?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

hard to compare, most of the knockoffs do not do any testing and simply market their product as comparable.

[@lululolly]

hello jeff

[@蓝色208]

我不明白他铺这层胶的作用，防水吗？不能，因为切孔时造成的缝隙已经无法防水

[@robinthurman1631]

Show Francis

[@greentjmtl]

Not gonna buy the roller cart, but I was thinking I'll turn one of my table saw roller stand upside down, load a bag of thinset on it and roll with that.

[@AidanSkoyles]

use the peel n stick; much quicker and easier

[@jonathanthibaut1273]

Like the Bob Ross of DIY

[@nikia1224]

Yeah.. i would definitely use my 2 20lbs weights on a mop handle. 😅

[@sh3riff]

Other suitable products are available.

[@3drage]

"I can see the comments now." Narrator: There were no those kind of comments.

[@Stevesbe]

How much did get pay you for this

[@Ashenafi_Ethio]

Can you please come and work on my bathroom or kitchen for your video .😂hey am serious

[@jumpinjimmy69]

Do you think that would work on an OSB wall to prepare for backsplash??

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

this product is not designed for wall applications. if you have osb as a wall right now then simply use a Multi Surface Bonding Primer and then you are ready to tile. Cheers!

[@bluearcherx]

silicosis is not a joke.

[@niffrig]

That drill really sucked

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

yes it does. Cheers!

[@RoyBrown777]

Not a chance? Timber underneath a bathroom floor. Forget about it. Cement or nothing. What a joke. Use a real subfloor and a real waterproofing system not this cheaped out crap. It's only going to cost you $1000's in 10 years time. Unless you plan on selling soon and flicking the problem onto someone else. This bloke is your typical "won't see it from my house" kind of guy. Also knowing the US, you don't have to give warranty on anything, in Australia you have to give 7 years warranty on waterproof systems. Good luck with this crap.

[@pacman1792]

That is not how you set a toilet flange with ditra 🫣...

[@brandonpurcelly1793]

This video couldn't have come out at a better time! I started demo of my bathroom floor today and already have my ditra bought and ready for install. Thanks Jeff!

[@AndyVining-ot9qn]

Maybe someone should tell him that stuff comes with peel and stick adhesive lol

[@1999tenorio]

i think that is for heated floors only?​@@AndyVining-ot9qn

[@hughanderson8420]

Nothing bonds like durock and screws

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

that system is still a direct bond system and does not protect the tile from delaminating during extreme weather. this product does.

[@LudekNesnidal]

3:51 "You got to be able to use your brain a little bit" 🤣 That is why I love your videos! Great sense of humor.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Glad you enjoy it! Cheers!

[@tigers9281]

Can this stuff be applied over 23/32 OSB subfloor with 16in joists in a remodel job? Im assuming the original vinyl would have to be removed? Or is cement board better for remodel?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

yes remove the vinyl and make sure the osb is screwed down. You can always check out the website for the product...they have installation assembly options listed there for different builds and materials. Cheers!

[@networx2002]

As always thanks for the awesome info!!! Keep it coming.

[@locomokko]

Great video Jeff. You saved me on the build of my buddies basement in Virginia a few years back when I was tiling around 1,000 sqft. That was exhausting, and took about 18 days to complete. But man, felt like a tile maniac after that. About to restart my renovation in Japan after many distractions. My bathroom is terrifying and at the moment is still just a hole in the ground after the demolition. I will be back for help on how to attack that. Cheers! Scott from Japan

[@brandonyoung7760]

What happened to showing us the rest of the drywall job? Skipped it.

[@tedelson7792]

I'm seeing a couple bubbles in the middle of my new ditra install. Anything I can do?

[@david_baez]

What are your thoughts on using this on a concrete sub-floor (foundation) in a bedroom? I've heard that you'd still want to use it just in case the foundation cracks, it'll prevent the tile from cracking with the foundation. I plan on using this stuff to redo all the floors in my house but I want to make sure I'm using it correctly before I spend thousands of dollars on materials.

[@timmullen678]

I have the old wood skip sheeting 3/4 “ wood at a diagonal very common on homes built before 1960 this floor is from 1962. I can’t find any information on the correct way or what product to use as underlayment. I want to put 7/16 osb on it then the Schluter system because it will be a heated floor but I don’t know if osb sheeting is the same as osb flooring or if it would be approved under a heated floor. I’m trying to match the existing hardwood floor hight and don’t what to use a thicker product.

[@StevenFarkas-j1n]

Hi Jeff. Loved the video but have a question relative to my install. Like your bathroom I will be laying two long strips - 6 feet each -- to cover the floor. But I have the tub at one end and the exit door at the other end. I don't have the shower area as an escape as you did when putting on the second strip. You mentioned that you don't like to stand on the Ditra while it is still curing (34:12). So if I do one strip then I can't get to the area where the other strip goes without being on top of the first strip. Should I wait overnight for the first strip to cure or go ahead and kneel/stand on the first strip while thinsetting and installing the second? Thanks.

[@QIrons]

How thick does the subfloor need to be with this product?

[@cellavb447]

I just finished an expensive lesson of following the instructions on the bag and ending up with mortar that's way too stiff. 50 sqft of membrane lost... Wish I had seen this.

[@tomdemeo2708]

After being in the industry over 50 years the Schluter company is great at making money. Never needed plastic under tile for hundreds of years. A scam and waste of time

[@inscrutianaII]

I'm convinced that this is the way to keep water from reaching the subfloor. What happens to water trapped between the Ditra and the thinset/tile? Are we just assuming that it eventually evaporates? What is a homeowner supposed to be doing to prevent a mold layer forming on top of the Ditra?

[@davidclinansmith3857]

I love your videos Jeff, you've talked me through some great remodel projects already. Extremely timely video for me as I'm working on my kitchen floor. Do you put Kerdi Band or something similar on the seams for waterproofing?

[@blakeaross]

What did you say your favorite knife was?

[@SomeRandomOldGuy]

Do I need to use this over a concrete floor?

[@dtnguyen7]

I also have the same question.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Yes, definitely. all cracks in concrete are isolated and will not transfer into the tile when you use this product. Cheers!

[@SomeRandomOldGuy]

Thanks for your help. Really appreciate it.@@HomeRenoVisionDIY

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Cheers!

[@b_uppy]

Would love to see you do a wet-room style bath. I want a simple-to-manage bathroom with very few barriers, and super easy maintenance. This means a floor so that if the toilet or sink overflows, or a pipe bursts,, the overflow goes towards the drain.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

Great idea!

[@b_uppy]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I KNOW, lol.

[@rebrokersabrina]

Would you only use this on plywood or also on concrete?

[@b_uppy]

@@rebrokersabrina I have seen it done on a wood base, but only before and after.

[@RizzyRiz454]

@@rebrokersabrina You can use it on both. First time tiling, and my first time using ditra in the bathroom instead of cement board. Its so easy to cut and lay to fit. Yeah it might be more expensive then cement board, but hey, its WATERPROOF form the get-go, which is ideal for BR! Getting the thinset measurement right is probably the only challenge you will have.

[@tonyodisho8446]

Is a peel and stick Schluter Ditra reliable for a bath room floor?

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

I personally have Zero faith in a peel and stick uncoupling membrane. This product is too new on the market and has yet to be field tested for me to offer advice. don't be the guinea pig on this.

[@132airsoft]

I love Ditra!

[@highhillhick]

If the purpose of the uncoupler is to separate the tile from the subfloor then why would you want to glue the membrane to the floor with thinset? I can't find an answer to this. What would it hurt to roll it out and let it float. If it's to level the floor slightly, you will accomplish that with the thinset under tile.

[@DefiCryPtiK]

Call the the manufacturer

[@rollogic2988]

That's a Ridiculous price for that All Set. That's like the price of two bags. It's around $40 At Lowes or Floor and Decor if you have one near you.

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

considering that you are saving so much money on labour I think it is definitely worth the price.

[@rollogic2988]

@@HomeRenoVisionDIY I'm not following you. You mean, saving labor by having it delivered instead of going to the store to get it?

[@Bbbbbbbbbbb-f1w]

Guy is a clown

[@michaelpua6970]

Question: if I use regular modified thinset to set the ditra to plywood, can I use the same modified thinset to fill in the top of the ditra squares. Then the next day use the All Set to lay the tile?

[@stevenperry4941]

Doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. IMHO the point is to fill the Ditra and bond the tile at the same time with the same thinset. His recommendation to use Schluter All Set is perfect as it works for adherence to the plywood and the tile to the Ditra!

[@HomeRenoVisionDIY]

you cannot use modified thinset to fill the ditra. it will not bond. and your tile install will be weak and fail from deflection. Cheers! not worth buying a bag of modified since you use so little of it anyway for setting the membrane.

[@Jasper16Did]

Literally was thinking, “Jeff is mixing that concrete just like I mix my pancake batter.” Proceeds to tell me to think of mixing concrete like mixing pancake batter 👀

[@markvanbemmel817]

Its a good thing you wrote it out. Thougt he meant " concrete makes my pancakes better 😂

[@CGareau]

Ok, now it’s official, I HATE YOU!! 😁 For the life of me, I could NOT draw that circle. I could even not cut the « orange thing » straight, even if the lines are there…. Wow! You are good!

[@americanflika1311]

HELP I have removed the vinyl flooring in my current bathroom, which was only stapled by floor vent, and it's bare wood. It's a manufactured home and I'm working around existing sink bassinet and new walk in tub. Should I still cover exposed wood with this membrane process before tiling?

[@JeremiahCommons]

Hey Jeff. Off topic question for a new DIYer if you or someone else can help I'd appreciate it. Trying to build an IBC tote stand (4ft off ground) for water pressure to gravity feed my garden. Those totes are pretty heavy (2330 lbs full of water). I want to build this securely and properly without any chance of sheering screws or anything of that nature. Looking at building this with some 4 x 4's and some other materials as I have heard 4×4 posts can support at least 4,300 lbs. So having those as my foundation seems ideal. Though I don't know wtf I'm doing. Help?

[@Familyfun2006]

You just need wet water 😂😂 so I’m wondering if there is dry water 😂😂😂😂😂

[@debrajohnson2792]

So educational! I wish I had found this video before I tried laying tile in my guest bath. I watched dozens of other tile videos but they were no where near as helpful. I could never get the Ditra flat and the coverage was awful. I had to pull it up and start over. Now I know what I did wrong and how to do it right. Thanks, Jeff!

[@carisamaxson5137]

Strange question. I’m looking at this product to raise the height of the tile to the height of my hardwood flooring that I am putting in the kitchen. I know this is expensive, but would it do the trick or is there something else? I’m installing over a cement foundation. I am great a DIY stuff, but not an expert at tile enough to add the extra height. Even with this 3mm added height, I still have to build us slightly.

[@douglasdog1]

Great help this video was! My local hardware store carries many schluter products except the trowels. I used a 1/4”x3/16” v-notch and looking under neath if I wasn’t getting 100% coverage I was getting pretty close to it.

[@carver4894]

Please do a video on changing a Deitra tile floor, that's been done correctly. Do you have to rip out the subfloor down to the joists?

[@reconone3574]

Jeff, do you have a video on how to build a shower pan for tile floor? My shower size is 7’6”x 4’ with a linear drain at the front of the shower. This will be my first time to build a shower “pan.” Thanks!

[@abdelmouttalibouali6958]

Hay thanks for tips you are sharing with us I'm a professional painter in Morocco, is there a way To obtain a work contract in America And If I come to America, can I get a job easily?

[@bjellison905]

Use a flour sifter. Sift it into a dry bucket remove clumps. Store with silica packsattached to lid

[@einglis]

If your plywood floor is fully screwed and rigid, what is the mode of tile failure this backing is protecting against? I can see it being sensible, I'm just not clear on exactly why.