Homeworld Remastered Campaign: 8 - Cathedral of Kadesh

The fleet attempts to escape from the nebula.

[@Tzryylon5]

Kadeshi Pilot: ... y'know, in retrospect, you guys WERE a captive audience. Interrogator: Indeed we were. And yet you still attacked. Kadeshi Pilot: Well, to be fair, it's all we've ever done for the last 1,300 years. Interrogator: Really? See, that's something you could have told us while we were trapped. Kadeshi Pilot: Yeah! Actually, we've got this whole history I've been tracing since you first entered the nebula-- Interrogator: Great - I'm gonna stop you there, and, since now YOU'RE the captive audience, ask some more pressing questions. Kadeshi Pilot: What could be more pressing than the revelation that we, at one point, were the same people? Interrogator: Oh, I dunno... fleet movements, how many hyperspace inhibitors you have... that sort of thing. Kadeshi Pilot: Aw, shop talk?! I thought you guys would be gaalsien. Interrogator: ... run that word by me again, please? Kadeshi Pilot: What, gaalsien? It means "cool" in our language. Like, chill. Bros. Real informal and personable. Interrogator: ... funny, we have that word too. (cracks knuckles) Now, start talking, or I'm gonna go gaalsien on your ass.

[@GaijinCartoonist]

Not going to lie, when I first played Homeworld I captured 5 or 6 swarmers from when they ran out of fuel and a refuel pod for my own little squadron. I'd like to think those few Kadeshi made it to Hiigara, but, that's what fanfiction is for...

[@KillerOrca]

I mean to be fair, if the choice is "float dead in space with no option of surviving" or "join the people who you really quickly realize are your long-lost bros and probably have something in common and have been kicking the ass of the people who sent you into the nebula in the first place"...

[@negawan]

YESS! it's back! I thought the exiles lost and the Taidan had won.

[@Dreamlands15]

Not while I still live.

[@KillerOrca]

The Motherships voracious appatite for enemy vessels can only be satieted by the bravery of the Salvage Corvette.

[@RoyalFusilier]

24:00 One thing I was always fascinated by in the original Homeworld was that you could pick whether to play Kushan or Taiidan, with the other faction becoming the empire. Thus, the game was implying, purely through its mechanics, that this is a cycle that has played out throughout galactic history many times over, with one group rising up against the other.

[@subboy1373]

I'm really happy to see you continuing the campaign of Homeworld Remastered

[@uss_04]

19:00 “Flak Frigate taking heavy damage” But you havent landed on Hiigara yet!

[@Rell2601]

My first time playing this series. This mission taught me the value of concentrated fire. Before that point I was getting humbled by those multi-beam frigates

[@All_Mighty672]

I was enforced by those multi-beams! MORE FOR THE ARMADA!

[@MrOverjay]

Salvageworld in it's prime. "Enemy frigate captured" is the point of both two Kadeshi levels :) Well played, Dreamlands!

[@orangedream267]

I think you mean quite literally every level in the game. On my last playthrough I think I managed to capture about 70% of all the frigates in the game. Including 100% of the ones in the inhibitor level. The sheer amount of frigates actually softlocked the game until I retired like 30 of them.

[@MrOverjay]

@@orangedream267 Yeah, true :)

[@jeffgo8658]

I had 2 complete fleets made up of 30-40 Ion Cannon frigates each just from what I could loot...err salvage from the Inhibitor Field mission. I had to move 2 captured Carriers nearer to the battlefront as well as a gaggle of Support frigates just to keep salvaging time to a minimum and with less trouble.

[@MrOverjay]

@@jeffgo8658 yeah, I looted those too :) The funniest and most satisfying salvage was taiidan cruiser on research station mission

[@jeffgo8658]

@@MrOverjay I used a carrier as bait and meatshield while my salvagers came in from the flanks and viola! 2 Destroyers and a Heavy Cruiser added to the Rebel...err Kushan fleet. :P

[@generalrendar7290]

Sweet Jesus it’s back!

[@Dreamlands15]

:D

[@ovaldreamx4397]

Just finished reading "Children of Kadesh" and wanted to rewatch this mission haha. Amazing fanfic that should be made canon and that would explain the Kadeshi's origins and the Exile

[@LuciousCalebious]

At Last! Thank you Dreamlands for coming back to this.

[@Dreamlands15]

Its my pleasure. Sorry it took so long.

[@superflymagpie]

Oh neet you're alive.

[@ehuttie]

People of the desert waste nothing, especially not Multi-Beam Frigates.

[@jeffgo8658]

So True :P

[@connorpearson8849]

So glad this is back! I love everything Homeworld

[@julien2983]

Aw yiss! thanks for picking this back up!

[@brainwasher9876]

Those multi-beam frigates are no joke.

[@jamesstricklerii5384]

Loving the fact you are going through all the campaigns and outlining the histories and descriptions of the units. The only request I have is that you would turn on the chat heads for the game whenever there is story dialogue (the same way you did for Deserts of Kharak). I love the story and don't want to miss out on important chatter.

[@Dreamlands15]

Oh good idea, thanks.

[@jamesstricklerii5384]

@@Dreamlands15 NP

[@SmallKittyPaw]

Kadeshi - In my opinion one of best faction/ship design in Homeworld. Sadly they made them minor faction for two missions.

[@Dreamlands15]

Agreed.

[@UCBANDIT009]

Yess keep this playthrough going.

[@Dreamlands15]

Will do

[@TrueHeresy]

So, SO glad that this series is back! Thank you for returning man - and thank you for keeping the load-up at the end for the weirdos like me (think I was the original request!)

[@TheWizardGamez]

Hes finnaly back

[@THENEW6]

Well i went skipping through the video. Then I heard your reflections on the creation of dogma and myth, the origin of kadeshi and kushan hyperspace technology... And I guess I'll have to watch the entire series now.

[@Dreamlands15]

:)

[@TheAudiopulse]

Note the difference in the tone of the offers made by the kadeshi ambassador. Last mission he was very much cocky - not really expecting you to take the offer to join and instead be utterly destroyed by the swarmers. Quite the arrogant one. Having seen the desaster unfold that was mission 7 - he makes the same offer again, this time because of much different motivation, though. And you can tell. His voice is much more mute and while at first it still does bear a hint of self-entitlement, this vanishes after Karans speech about their homeworld. He makes slight pauses while speaking, so he is thinking. But trailing along the lines of their dogmatic beliefs there is but one conclusion he could draw - that to stray from their path would be death. For a moment he sounds almost sad before finishing grimly: "This can not come to pass!" Like the gaalsien they became so scared of their own stories they wove that they would eventually even sacrifice themselves for them. They estranged themselves from their former brothers until they could not even remain alongside whom they once swore to protect or called brethren. They lived in fear for so long that they eventually embraced it with heart and soul.

[@Phantomsbreath]

One thing that I think a lot of folk underestimate is the fact that the mothership is in fact, armed. Not heavily, but I've seen it tag a swarmer or two.

[@gotomar5]

Had to miss becase I'm sick see this made me feel better.

[@jeffgo8658]

There are a total of 18 Multi-Beam Frigates in this battle so I just went all out and got 16 Salvage Corvettes. Half would be in the ambush instance while the rest will come once the 3rd Kadeshi Lollipop went back to the identical wreckage of the Khartoba. You will also get a couple more MB Frigates deeper into the story :) I do love the raw firepower of these MBFs, it can burn off the HP of a Destroyer/Missile Destroyer...just make sure you get a threesome of Support Frigates as they are fragile.

[@Dreamlands15]

They are an awesome ship indeed. I forgot about the wave of them that comes near the end, so I was unprepared sadly.

[@Xtoxinlolinecronomicon]

Kardeshi lollipop. Hahaha, I love that.

[@StillerH]

Every 15 seconds:" enemy ship captured" 😂

[@Bozothcow]

Casual sequel drop.

[@marcoc8810]

Glad you're back! Please, until the end of the game ^^ I noticed a little difficulty at 6:27 when you tried to move a group to a below point, where you supposed there was a Kadeshi mothership. Maybe it was due to some sort of 'panic' of the moment, but if not: just notice the 'vertical' line that drops until the ping point; you should simply put the cursor at the top of the 'vertical' line, and apply the vertical movement up to the desired point.

[@Dreamlands15]

Ah great input, thank tou

[@davesobani9565]

What does the lore say happens afther this to the kadeshi? Did the higarans reach out to them? Were they absorbed by the vaygr. Was the nebula made a restricted area?

[@Dreamlands15]

The lore says nothing at all about it. It's a topic of debate from time to time. Whatever remained of the Kadeshi likely either joined the fleet or faded into obscurity.

[@FormerlyMako]

Most surviving kadeshi decided to join the hiigarans while some remained in the nebula and some became nomads. At least according to homeworld revelations.

[@thegaardians]

Thanks friend. This is nice!

[@Terenin]

It took you a good full year for this. At this rate we will be done with this series in, oh, half a decade or so. No big hurry.

[@Dreamlands15]

I have 3 years until HW3. Guess I do have a reason to hurry. Might be able to make it.

[@Terenin]

@@Dreamlands15 Well if your going to say it like that, an take Homeworld Cata and 2 into account... you are shit out of time :D Can still make it if you drop two missions per month though, so there's that...

[@Dreamlands15]

@@Terenin I wont be doing Cata

[@Terenin]

@@Dreamlands15 Well, I was allowed to hope. It would be sweet of soem big YT'er did that dear old gem, but it's your choice.

[@ThunderingVipers]

I started playing after desert of kharak after homeworld 3 announcement

[@Dreamlands15]

Enjoy the ride.

[@kingjames1308]

ok there is something wrong with mine. I get swarmed from 2 positions and the minute i make salvage corvettes the swarmer's destroy them them

[@warner9408]

I’ve never seen so many drone frigates.

[@Dreamlands15]

They work fantastically well in this mission

[@warner9408]

Dreamlands too bad they don’t have these in HW 2

[@Dreamlands15]

@@warner9408 it is too bad, they are pretty cool imo

[@Connor19527]

If you’re concerned by the lack of talking, would it be easier to watch a replay of the chapter and then talk over it?

[@omrikiv]

yes!

[@elonwhatever]

A mild bit of genocide

[@krzosu]

well if you treat the core just as power source then - no not really - if the core only provides the power - then the Drive signature would mostly depend on the engines themselves - and those were reverse engineered from the Transport ships (Khar-tooba's) so if cadeshi had the same type of ship and also reverse engineered the drives - then the signatures would be very a like - there would be SOME differences but rather small ones. The trick is in how you create the wave form - various races tech might do in specific manners or sequences - and there might be variation in how each race does this. So if you reverse engineer alredy existing system like exiles did - then the methodology itself would be the same - aka do this then this then this then this with this stuff and then voila - a wavefront appears. So yes by reverse engineering they could do things the same way - so kadeshi could get the hyperspace without the core itself - basically they would use different powerplants - and keep in mind they dont need to go far - they operate only in the nebula itself - so those plants could be relatively weaker/simpler/easier to make. Hyperspace core was immensly powerfull - which allowed for extremaly long jumps in comparison - Kadeshi have/had no need for that. They only needed short jumps and enough power to "arm" the jump inhibitor field generators. which prob just introduced some sort of intereference and would prob need way less power than the jump drives themselves - the large power needs would be manifested only if they wanted to project the field way too far- in the game you can observe that theyir needle ships are relatively close by to the targets - so in essence that might sugest relatively short range of the inhibitors.

[@Dreamlands15]

Correct. My assumption is that the Core is what the Drive will use to generate the waveform. So the Kadeshi must have had some knowledge of how exactly that happens in order to create smaller versions of their own drives. Like, any HS drive that doesnt utilize a Core will operate on the same principles, however I suspect that there are various methods for HS drive operation, which must create minor variations in the waveform generated.

[@krzosu]

@@Dreamlands15 I think the HS cores are just massive advanced powerplants - which are mostly optimised for HS usage - That seems to be implied in the HW2 where you need all three cores to power up properly the ancient ship in the end missions or the hypespace gate itself. So in essence the drives itself would make the wavefronts - the same engine with or without the core would impact only the max range of jumps. So thats why both Kith reversed engineered the same type of enignes they ended up using the almost identical designs. the major differences was that kith from Kharak had the core - so they could make way longer jumps in comparison. Imho its sorta weird to assume that you NEED the ancient hyperspace core to jump at all that would totally contradict seen footage as many races without the cores - jump in and out in the game freely. (basically that would mean that each ship has an ancient core onboard). So - thats why i think the cores are just awesome plants that give you insane range - but have actually nothing do to with the drive signature itself - that depend just on tech of the drive its based on.

[@Dreamlands15]

@@krzosu I'm quite sure the cores generate the wavefront. Reason being that while the core was dormant on Kharak itwss creating a field around the planet that disrupted normal travel thru hyperspace, and normal space even. The core was certainly not hooked up to any hyperdrive during the exile. So it must have been active without a drive for it to power.

[@krzosu]

@@Dreamlands15 Um i'm kinda curious where you got that info - That the core was inhibiting the travel on /around kharak ? In the first game there is a hint that the higarans were prohibited from develepong the hyper technology under the penalty of extermination - but that's about it - there was also no mention of this in HW cathaclysm or HW 2 - so im curious where did you find that info ? (i admit i havent player the deserts of kharak game so maybe that lore was in there or smth ?) No ill will here - just simple curiosity since i love the lore of that game/universe :) Cheers.

[@Dreamlands15]

@@krzosu That is central to the plot of Deserts of Kharak.

[@pes6013]

What is your discord?

[@Dreamlands15]

I liked it in the description of my previous 2 remastered videos. I can get it for you tomorrow if you need.

[@pes6013]

Dreamlands yes pls

[@Dreamlands15]

@@pes6013 discord.gg/YKnAJ6S

[@bettercallpetra8200]

Oh yeah?

[@Dreamlands15]

Yeah

[@Void-Wandersong]

First time I am First. :)

[@wrmaldonado]

A bit of advice... shut up during gameplay

[@ThatCamel104]

he's silent through most of the gameplay.

[@angelmin8819]

Imagine having a giant medieval mace as a mothership This post was made by the Kushan in the banana mothership

[@stringstorm]

imagine being a space banana and not a space croissant this post was made by the bentusi gang

[@danielkeller3780]

wait. Since no one else stopped you from leaving the nebula does that mean you just wiped out their entire civilisation?

[@DzheiSilis]

Most likely

[@Shintrae]

Ancient mothership stay undisturbed, so maybe not?

[@McCbobbish]

You meet the *one* group of people in the galaxy you might consider to be family. But are then forced to kill them. Truely tragic

[@trueshot2]

That's been debated since the game first came out.

[@krzosu]

@@Shintrae SInce Kadeshi were deeply religious - i would think that ship wold become only a shrine to be worshiped but not disturbed - so most likely there were no ppl on the old ship. So yeah the main population would be either on the needle ships - or some sort of orbitals/stations in the nebula - But since they are raider like minded - then prob the ships were all they've had so yeah - they most likely were wiped out.

[@OrenTubing]

I see the Homeworld 3 announcement got you that homeworld itch again😂

[@Dreamlands15]

It sure did, in a big way.

[@OrenTubing]

@@Dreamlands15 me too my friend, me too💕💕