Honda Accord AIR INTAKES - DYNO TESTED!!! (Part I) // 10th Gen (2018+) Honda Accord

[@evodingo3375]

Best accord channel on the entire internet!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Appreciate it 😊

[@initialdreammedia6658]

I just bought a 2.0T and the amount of time you have taken to record all this at such a granular level is SO MUCH APPRECIATED. I told myself I was going to enjoy it stock for a bit, but these videos will give me piece of mind and answer many questions I would want to know. THANK YOU!!!

[@TheLemonFactor]

My pleasure! I’m glad you’re enjoying the videos 😁. And congratulations on your new Honda Accord 👍

[@Accordx_2.0]

Honestly just goes to show how great and powerful the 2.0Ts Bone-Stock are 🙌🏼🔥

[@TheLemonFactor]

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[@SasquatchS550]

Love the fact you challenge manufactures' claims on their products. Heard from a lot of people that these are more of a placebo than producing any actual gains. Can't wait for the big three intakes video! Subscribed for more content👌

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the sub! I really appreciate it. I'm pretty excited about getting to the other three intakes to see the results. Personally, on a turbocharged car, I'd say an upgraded intercooler would add more of a difference.... more to come on that ; )

[@djrez2107]

Honda engineers know what they are doing thats for sure. Even in the 90s when i was modding my Civic most of these "go-fast" parts i was losing power.

[@wfaccone4143]

Love the video and the REAL data. I just installed the Mishimoto intake on my 21 2.0T Accord. I like the sound and It feels like a little better throttle response but my butt Dyno tells me not much difference on HP / Torque. I knew this prior to the purchase, I really made the purchase for the sound and it lived up to expectations in that department.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’ll be dyno testing the Mishimoto next, so we’ll see what numbers it can produce 😉

[@87gn93]

I have a 87 Buick Grand National. There are so many factors that add to hp/to factors. I put down 470hp/540tq. Factory air box was a big factor. Very restricted. But k& n 10" filter and other moss made a huge difference!

[@TheLemonFactor]

I always wanted a GN. The closest I got was a 87 Regal 🤷‍♂️

[@u-know-this]

Does the Grand national have an ecu? If not then thats your answer for the gain

[@87gn93]

@@u-know-this Yes, the GN has a ecu. It's a plug in prom chip tuned by Eric Marshall @ Turbo Tweak. There are 4 areas of this chip that can be adjusted by the user: WOT Fuel, WOT 1st Gear Fuel, WOT Timing for 1st/2nd gear, and WOT Timing for 3rd/4th gear. You do not have to adjust these, but it offers you a way of fine-tuning the chip for your car or conditions. You will need a scan tool that can display BLM and LV8 to make adjustments. Scanmaster, Turbolink, Directscan, OTC, Powerlogger, etc. will all work fine. I use the Scanmaster. My GN is setup for alcohol injection and you can use methanol or denatured alcohol. I normally run DA and around 25 psi of boost. I can run up to 30 psi of boost with my build. I don't push the turbo (Precision 6152), but I can if needed. I have a Pat's 3400 rpm stall converter, so there is no turbo lag. Tranny is built 200R4 with a shift kit and transmission brake. I can build boost at the line or light and then I'm gone. 0-60 in 3.4 on Beltronics Performance GPS meter.

[@87gn93]

These results don't surprise me. I have a K & N drop in filter on my '21 Accord Touring 2.0T. The only difference I noticed was throttle response was a little better. I have seen videos where Mishimoto did better with the additional, rectangular opening closed off. That might be something you compare!

[@TheLemonFactor]

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[@aehmerchant]

So why is the torque increase with PRL drop in filter not being talked about? Between the 3 dyno runs with the PRL drop in had 3 to 8 ft/lbs of torque jump. That’s what gives the better throttle response that some in the comments have experienced.

[@aehmerchant]

Honestly, the 2.0T really opens up with a Ktuner or Hondata tune than anything else. The high flow filter is better utilized with tune. I have stage 1 PRL and Ktune. Roughly 20 HP increase with 30 ft/lbs. A $600 cost. Not bad at all

[@rudyirving315]

Excellent video and thank you for your hard work! I’m glad someone is fact checking the claims to increased performance on these parts.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the positive comment, Rudy 👍. All in an effort to help those make an informed decision.

[@edwardapollo]

Finally some real world data, not bro science! Extremely curious to learn about the other intakes perform that you mention at the end of your video!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Hopefully you subscribed so you’ll know when all those other videos are released 😉

[@edwardapollo]

@@TheLemonFactor I did! Planning on eventually installing the Civic type R turbo with the PRL intercooler, front and downpipes. I've always been skeptical regarding aftermarket intakes, especially when it's so difficult to get an actual data-backed comparison on things like this

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you 😁

[@TheLemonFactor]

The Type R turbo will be a nice addition 😉

[@Dan-xj9vd]

Hey Chad, great video but are we really surprise? The manufacturers don't disclose video records of their test. None of them! Thank you for investing time and effort for those demonstration. What manufacturer really test is in fact the air volume (CFM) their filters help to produce and it is done in a lab. Not even bolted on a vehicule :( …there is an exception with Eventuri but you/they need a Tune to maximize performance with the air volume vs fuel ratio to produce more horse power.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I am a little surprised. I was hoping for a couple additional WHP from the PRL Stage 1, especially based on their claims. Thank you for recognizing the effort involved, and cost - all done in an effort to add value and support to the Honda Accord community. 😁👍

[@u-know-this]

@@TheLemonFactor your work is very very highly appreciated 👏

[@TheLemonFactor]

I appreciate that. Thank you! 👍😁

[@igjosuke1116]

I'm waiting to see the mishimoto and takeda air intakes. I'm hoping at least one of those are worth getting so I can get one of em for my '18 2.0T

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m remaining positive that one of them will produce some noticeable gains in horsepower, or at least sound good in trying to do so 🤷‍♂️

[@u-know-this]

I leaning on the side that the results will be the same. You will need a tune for the engine to take advantage of the extra air. The computer will keep it at factory settings

[@igjosuke1116]

@@u-know-this ktuner V2

[@NSteigs]

So ready for the big filter comparison

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m pretty excited myself! 😁

[@ChristianMelgar-d4y]

Any comparison to the competition for the drop in filter? Like k&n, BMC, Spectre, Green filter, AFE, AEM, HKS, DNA, kak... would love for someone to do a real showdown between all the filter

[@TheLemonFactor]

There’s an entire multi video series testing the most popular air intakes - checkout the channel page for details 👍

[@drojas3333]

Awesome upload, looking forward to the higher end intake comparisons 👍

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you, Daniel! 😁

[@shineobsessed4221]

As I suspected, similar to the stock intake on the n54 in my 335i however, once you start to turn up the boost the free breathing intakes performed slightly better and helped reduce wgdc but still hit boost targets....which was a good thing. Wonder is same holds true on the this platform. Great work!!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you, Shine! 👍😁

[@leom537]

Awesome, I can't decide what intake I want to buy. This will help a ton and ty for your work.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you Leo for your support and comment 😁. I’m using the series of tests to help decide myself 🤣

[@jorgeirizarry5971]

Your Accord already has Ktune installed. I'm not sure if that plays a roll. It might adjust to what the Ktune is telling the computer to do with or without the new air intake. It makes believe that because the graphics are looking better but without any hp gain. You might be getting better performance without any hp gain. It happens all the time.

[@TheLemonFactor]

As referenced in the video, this is on the STOCK tune, there is NO aftermarket tune on the car.

[@Garnetmica]

Wonder if there is a learning process the vehicle needs to go through? I definitely hear more from the diverter valve with the stage 1 w/filter.

[@Railroad_Boys]

I have the PRL HVI and have no problems with heat, which was my goal. I don’t care about the sound.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Do you feel as though the PRL HVI added any noticeable HP gains?

[@u-know-this]

It makes sense there are no gains because if it was that easy honda would have done it from the factory. And im sure the ecu would have to be tuned to utilize the extra airflow

[@TheLemonFactor]

The ECU does have the ability to compensate (to a point).

[@anthonyabrew2225]

YOU FINALLY POSTED THIS VIDEO HAHA. cant wait to watch it later, need to know what intake I want to get.

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@craig8692]

Great video, Chad. I hope that you do a similar CAI test on your MX-5. I only have an AEM panel filter installed on my 2019 MX-5 RF as I have read that CAIs can actually decrease power. Would love to see dyno results prove this one way or another, though.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you, Craig. It would be interesting to see a similar test done on the Miata 🤔. Maybe after the Honda Accord 🤷‍♂️

[@kentcurrie7326]

@@TheLemonFactor I ditto Craig. How long were you at the dyno for doing these tests?

[@TheLemonFactor]

@@kentcurrie7326 About 3 hrs, but that's because of the need to properly cool down in between each run, and to have enough pulls (there were more than the 3 ea. identified in the video) to make sure we had consistency. Oh, and we needed to install the PRL Stage 1 (which didn't take long).

[@RCotaku69]

Craig, as you said that you've read yourself, CAI do nothing if not decrease power on the ND Miata. The two main aftermarket parts sellers (who want to sell them), Flyin' Miata and Goodwin-Racing, both say they are a waste of money. The stock airbox (already a CAI) is very well designed and supports up to 240hp. I'd much rather see Chad test a different company's tune or something than waste time and money on a known fail.

[@Dan-xj9vd]

@@RCotaku69 Totally agree with you RCotaku69. There is more chance to induce hot air🥵from under the hood with another filter box. The most important on and MX-5 is to keep aspirated air cold!🥶

[@flynfury8363]

Great to see you do these type videos. Looking forward to mishimoto since that’s what I have. I can hear a slight difference but not sure if I gained any power just from that mod. I’m thinking maybe 3hp tops.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for your positive comment / support 👍😁. The Mishimoto air intake will be coming up next.

[@HondaAccordPerformance]

Pretty sure on stock car any intake won’t make a huge difference but if you throw on a type r turbo and exhaust mods with a stock intake choking the setup I would bet money that even a K&n panel filter would see 10-15whp it’s all relative to what mods you have done.

[@flynfury8363]

I think you’re right. I have PRL DP, FP and intercooler. Also a ktuner with phearable stage 3. I’m thinking even with those mods alone it made a bigger difference than just stock alone. Stock by itself is just not gonna do much. Very curious to see what the next videos show.

[@509livin8]

Awesome video. 👌 let's see some light weight performance wheels next 😎

[@TheLemonFactor]

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[@baliton2006]

Can’t wait for the next video

[@TheLemonFactor]

Have you watched the video in which I review and dyno test the Mishimoto air intake?

[@n-power-automotive]

Looks like you just saved me some money ha ha. Again, fantastic video!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you! Glad you found the video helpful.

[@Pistaspararequinto]

Instantly subscribed amazing content !

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m glad you liked the video! 👍. Thank you for the support 😁

[@joe2guns]

Why is no one mentioning the fact the prl was tested on the 10 or 11th run on a turbo car, thay turbos hot do it on first one im sure itl show more not much but Def better then running after 11 runs

[@TheLemonFactor]

As was mentioned in the video, each run was done with sufficient time in-between each pull in order to have the engine coolant temperature (ECT) and intake air temperatures reach a point that was consistent across all dyno pulls, thus taking any detrimental effects of heat soak out of the equation. Thanks for the watch, and comment.

[@jbl9352]

Great video! Love your channel and what your doing with 10th gen accords. When u do the mishimoto intake, can u do runs with and without the box cover? Thanks!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the support, JBL. Good suggestion, yes, I’ll try to remember to get some sound clips with both the cover on and off. However, I’ll keep the cover on for the dyno test.

[@jbl9352]

@@TheLemonFactor it would be great if you can do a dyno run without the cover. I’m currently running the mishimoto without the cover and would like to know how much horses im losing lol

[@TheLemonFactor]

I don’t know that it will be a big difference due to the fact that I’m letting the car cool down, returning to normal operating temperatures in between each dyno pull 🤔

[@-DC-]

It's almost like Honda know what they are doing 🤣 Be interesting to see how the intake systems performance is I'm guessing not very much improvement for quite a high cost.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I hope one of the three intake systems add something, otherwise this is going to be depressing 😕

[@u-know-this]

ALMOST??? they built the car if a smoother intake would boost power they would do so at the factory. I believe a tune is what is needed as the exu will just adjust for the extra air with no additional hp boost

[@mtalogic6524]

Hi nice contents keep it going man love what you do. just wanted to ask you a question I have a 1.5 2021 Honda Accord I want you to recommend for me what is the best filter for performance. And what’s the safe boost for my stock car as you know factory it’s 20 psi how far should I go with 93 octane.

[@TheLemonFactor]

Be sure to watch all of the channel videos (it's a multi-part video series) in which I dyno test various air intakes including the PRL HVI, Mishimoto and aFe Takeda... then you'll see the answer to your question.

[@brandonchristian2616]

I like watching your videos and u help me a lot to add and what not to add on my accord.. I notice in your video that u gained a lot of torque and the same hp with prl air filter with stock intake system. 249hp 291 torque. I'm on stage 2 with prl intake system and air filter but idk how much I'm pushing? Would I be pushing a lot more since I'm tuned with what I have? Or should I go stock with oem intake system and keep the prl air filter

[@TheLemonFactor]

Let’s see what gains we get from dyno’ing the PRL HVI first.

[@87gn93]

Thanks for what you do Chad!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thank you for the support - it means a lot! 🙂

[@87gn93]

Hey! Noticed dyno results from March 2020 were lower than current video? Different dyno or engine just broke in now?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I moved to Denver, CO. 91 octane gas, altitude, different dyno, car still breaking it, etc. I have re-dyno’d the car since moving to establish a new baseline - check out the video in the Honda Accord playlist 👍

[@slow10thgenaccord70]

I think the PRL Stage 1 will work best if tuned sir. Maybe all intake works best tuned compared to stock. I am not sure too but thanks for amazing videos sir!

[@TheLemonFactor]

Mabe, but according to the PRL website they're claimed horsepower is right below a statement in which they state that an ECU tune is NOT required.

[@slow10thgenaccord70]

@@TheLemonFactor ohhh I never actually read that part then yes I agree with your review sir!! Keep posting amazing videos for our Accord!!!

[@TheLemonFactor]

@@slow10thgenaccord70 Thank you for supporting.

[@u-know-this]

For all modern vehicles unless the ecu is faulty your should not get much if any gains from changing the air filter or intake. Had the same issue with my infiniti. Nothing changed till I had a tune

[@mariocruz6941]

My question is if when install the intake AEM or others the car not have any problem wirh not apper check engine light?

[@TheLemonFactor]

If you disconnect the battery as part of the install, you will experience warning lights when you go to restart your car. However, after you drive a short distance they should go away.

[@youngkim1035]

Stock it did 250 wheel hp? Wow

[@TheLemonFactor]

It’s a pretty impressive car 👍😁

[@rizkybiss]

do the air intakes you talk about work with the 1.5 also? simular sounds and gains?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I do believe that many of the manufacturers make a version for the 1.5L. You’d have to check their website to confirm.

[@nishtrel3706]

Torque is expressed as Force/Distance. Not Distance/Force. Lbs/Ft not Ft/Lbs. Newton/Metres, not Metres/Newton. WORK (Energy) is expressed at Ft/Lb.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m sure you’re a lot of fun at parties 😂

[@DanielR-kb3hd]

Do any of these filter/intake systems improve MPG?

[@TheLemonFactor]

I have not specifically test any for gas mileage, but did not notice any change 🤷‍♂️

[@1.5thondaacord]

This is good to know

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@justchillin619]

Wow so disappointing seeing companies not be able to back up their claims....

[@TheLemonFactor]

It is 😕. However, I’m hopeful that the Mishimoto, aFe Takeda, or PRL HVI will produce some performance gains 👍

[@justchillin619]

@@TheLemonFactor can't wait. Love these dyno vids. Facts only!

[@TheLemonFactor]

👍

[@Dan-xj9vd]

@@TheLemonFactor Look at the Takeda and you should notice a large ruber plug. I have it on the MX-5. I did not really know what it was until I got in contact with the tech support. It was a plug they removed to improve the CFM of the box during the test.

[@caribeskinner6290]

I wish there was either no filter or pantyhose comparison as part of the test.

[@87gn93]

Looks like aftermarket panel airfilter

[@87gn93]

After market panel looks to add maybe 5 ftlb torque to the equation. Best bang so far.

[@TheLemonFactor]

I wouldn’t focus too much on the TQ readings - with the peak torque coming on so early, and with the irregular spikes happening early on in the RPM a comparison is difficult to make.

[@jjsupadupa2278]

Mishimoto👍

[@TheLemonFactor]

Did you checkout the video in which I tested the Mishimoto air intake?

[@cwdl2004]

well ty for ur video so i dont have to waste my money ,,, lol ,,,

[@TheLemonFactor]

I’m glad you found the video helpful 👍

[@calviny9384]

Yessir

[@TheLemonFactor]

😁

[@aydenr2060]

Disappointed but not surprised. Save $140

[@TheLemonFactor]

Don’t forget that this is part of a multi part video series in which we tested various air intakes - check out the other videos to see which one performed the best 👍😁

[@Imurge]

10:17 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@azndreamers209]

Second

[@TheLemonFactor]

Thanks for the watch. I hope you found the video informative?

[@igjosuke1116]

first

[@TheLemonFactor]

😁👍 How did you like the video?

[@igjosuke1116]

@@TheLemonFactor loved it definitely learned a lot from this

[@TheLemonFactor]

Awesome! I’m glad to hear that. Thank you for the watch 👍

[@jackflackatari]

Goes to show you, Honda squeezed out every HP already. Your just wasting money.

[@Imurge]

10:57 🤦🏾‍♂️