Honda Navi (CVT roller weights and contra spring upgrade, variator and clutch removal and install)

[@du315h0k]

So nice to see people doing these mods while I wait for my Navi to come in. Thanks for the info.

[@ezntertainment3601]

This video deserves more views. Very nicely done! And I love that you include torque specs.

[@rideordie6886]

Im surprised no one mentioned Handsome Samson… Samson is a single older Dog he eats healthy, enjoys walks and chasing critters. He’s looking for a well intelligent good looking poodle for companionship and rides on the pontoon.

[@E.K.Hernandez1987]

I would also like to note that he will protect you at any cost as he proudly displays his war wound under his eye.

[@sammisdaddy]

Thanks for the re-upload. This will be my go to video for my upgrade!

[@rideordie6886]

No problem! And I appreciate the kind feedback.

[@benjamin8859]

I've never commented on a KZbin video before, but I just had to let you know that this was such a great tutorial. I'm on the waiting list for the next batch of Navi's at my local dealer and your vids are really going to come in handy. Please keep up the great work! Subbed and liked.

[@rideordie6886]

Hey Benjamin. I’m glade to hear your getting a Navi. I think it will be an all around run bike and for a scooter we won’t look like we are sitting on a toilet lol Thank you for the support and your commitment. I hope your Navi shows up vary soon. What color did you get?

[@benjamin8859]

@@rideordie6886 That's precisely the reason I'm getting one. I love scooters they are loads of fun, but I'm digging the ergonomics of a motorcycle with the simplicity of a scooter mashup. Scooters are fun to upgrade and much cheaper than modding out a Grom or other small bore. I'm not sure what color I'm going to get yet but I asked for the nut brown or ranger green. I'd take the color you have too if that's my only option. Anything but red lol I actually have a 22 Grom SP shipping out this week for me too!

[@luisbarbosa1237]

Can you please explain what are the results in practical terms. Lighter weights results in longer time to reach high speed and more torque? I would like to lower the RPM and possibly have more end speed. Just like adding a bigger pinion in a chain transition. Thank you for all your videos 👍🤝

[@semenvelocity]

If you would like lower rpm and more end speed, you should get heavier weights, not lighter.

[@brutaldabs5829]

thanks man the kits for some reason had a bunch of washers and was confused until i seen this

[@LuisRodriguez-bz6iy]

Great video. i will be watching again to guide me when i install my variator kit once it arrives

[@haroldgomez7330]

Thank you for the excellent video. Could you provide more details about the new top speed achieved with this setup?

[@lanleyc]

This video has been a major source of reference for me so thank you and plz don’t take this the wrong way but I refuse to believe you got that torque wrench to click at 68 foot pounds holding that variator with your hand 😂😂 the vid don’t even show it. All jokes but seriously thanks for this information.

[@somebody-but-nobody]

I can’t believe you removers that drive face with your hands. I tried so hard. I had to use vise grip plier and hold on tight. Can’t find any tool to hold it online to torque it properly. Any tips?

[@JVBNorway]

Jam a 21mm socket in the starter teeth to hold it while loosening and tightening the variator nut, it works great! Just did it myself yesterday:)

[@lanleyc]

What do you mean by this? Where do you jam the socket in?

[@JVBNorway]

@@lanleyc you place a socket in between the teeth on the variator while the flat side of the socket is flush with the crank case so that the variator does not spin when you need to loosen or tighten the variator nut (most sizes will fit, not just 21mm). When loosening you need to place the socket up against the top of the crank case and the variator teeth, and when tightening you place it on the bottom of the crank case and lock the teeth to stop clockwise rotation.

[@lanleyc]

@@JVBNorway hmm. Thanks for the info. I understand the concept but my socket won’t sit on the crank case and still touch the teeth of the drive plate to lock in. The drive plate is just a bit too far out for it to sit right

[@JVBNorway]

@@lanleyc Damn, I thought it would work on the navi:/ I have a Honda Vision 50 that uses the same tooth mechanism to crank the variator and I have used this method without fail several times, but I see that the variator on the navi is pertruding further than mine is. Perhaps you would have an odd piece of hard metal you would have laying around that might do the trick!

[@lanleyc]

@@JVBNorway yeah I figure it was out too far the concept makes sense. I actually have a variator locker tool that has 3 teeth on it and I was able to jam it into the crank case and hold it tight enough to get the nut off… I am just having a really hard time torquing this thing to 69 foot pounds. I feel like I’m cranking down and the damn thing won’t click and since I’m holding that piece in there I feel like maybe I’m just not getting enough leverage to get the torque wrench to click

[@vincentvaicunas1458]

You are the man, and make a great teacher. Thanks for the video. Very well done !

[@rideordie6886]

I appreciate that brother. It didn’t happen over night, many years learning the hard way.

[@markpinther9296]

I went with the lightest weights possible with the S23 kit because I go about 240 and the Navi was struggling up hills. Lighter weights in the variator are better for faster response for heavier riders. At least that is what I have heard. I also replaced the clutch with an S23 at the same time and it made a huge difference. Makes me wonder if you ended up doing the same.. I will look around at your videos. Not sure what a stronger contra spring will do for speed and power etc.

[@Catalfanocurse]

I like your shop bro. Congrats. Very nice.

[@bobbyjoesugar]

Bro… how in the world did you remove the variator nut with your hand? That is crazy lol

[@tallynmichael]

That cvt looks just like a gy6 honestly. I would try either a ncy or oko or bang jing variator for a gy6 150cc. They also make them for the honda np50 but I would try the gy6 version first. Just match them up if it isnt the same size send it back. All the gy6 150cc variators are the same size and I think that will match up honestly. Youll only be able to use the back end parts not the front drive face since yours has those gears for that to work with the bendix and kick starter. And I would try Dr Pulley sliders instead of rollers just measure the size youll find what you need. Ive done a ton of experimenting and researching on cvt tuning for the gy6 setups. It is a noticeable difference in sliders vs rollers performance. You should also look into the clutch springs as well. If you want the clutch bell to engage sooner get lighter rpm clutch springs. Should be 3 of those in there. Stock might be 1500 rpm you could drop down to 1000 rpm for quicker engagement.

[@rideordie6886]

Hey Tallyn! Thanks for the tip, I’m going to get some carburetor tuning, tires, and some electrical work done and hopefully I’ll be able to rid the Navi, it’s still winter and hitting negative degrees again this week, but once I’m able to ride and brake on the motor I’ll start messing with the variator and different rollers/sliders. Much appreciated!

[@silas.anderson]

i just ordered a icy clutch for a gy6 and ill see if it fits. i did some research into part numbers and a lot of photos comparing scooterswapshops kits and it seems like they're gy6 parts..... not 100% proven yet but seems like there's a decent chance.

[@dwubprod]

@@silas.anderson any updates on this?

[@69RIGGER]

Where did you get the rear shock riser? Love your videos , keep them coming

[@robert420ism]

Do you happen to have the Model# for the Clutch bell? Would it be the RDR CLUTCH BELL FOR 150cc - 232cc GY6

[@Pixelmomster]

Great video as always! I bet you can’t wait for some warm weather.

[@rideordie6886]

Right!!! I think next week we are getting back in the 30's but I just looked and we are getting snow Tuesday and Wednesday then back to the single digits...

[@zinku418]

I can't get my belt to sit far enough to let my driven face back again the splines. So my ratchet started doesn't even stop spinning.

[@johnathonwood5523]

Great vid, thx so much. Do you know where i could find the torque specs for these nuts and bolts?

[@jaysgarage4623]

Variator 44ft/lbs, Clutch bell 36ft/lbs.

[@martinziek]

Hello, thanks for ur videos! please would u mind , sayme, where can I get that extention for rear shock??????

[@rideordie6886]

Mnnthbx .com

[@-iIIiiiiiIiiiiIIIiiIi-]

This video was so awesome!

[@ridewheelers]

which shock absorber u have installed?? and can u provide website name

[@jdmgy689]

Nice a lot easier and safer installing spring that way.

[@rideordie6886]

Right! I cringe on watching people use the flip flops to hold there clutch lol

[@jdmgy689]

@@rideordie6886 yea lol f that

[@happosaisama2288]

Great video, thanks for share!!!

[@jeromelarnac6210]

Hello where can we buy all the parts and the reference please

[@rideordie6886]

japan.webike.net/products/23321996.html

[@rideordie6886]

japan.webike.net/products/23321997.html I will be installing the hyper valve as well, it acts as a pcv valve…

[@bobharrington3373]

Where can I find the compression tool that you use?

[@sargera1]

do they make one like lexam anymore( i mean navi is nice buat still easier to fix a chain in outdoor than a belt

[@rideordie6886]

Hey Ethan. Just cvt system on the Navi. Honestly I’ve had a chain brake on my 929 cbr at 80 mph and never had a belt brake on me. Thanks for watching and subscribe please if you haven’t already.

[@sargera1]

@@rideordie6886 your cbr is a street race pony but not this navi right More like ease of replace chain than belt lol But if ur navi is cool and no belt cracking theb thats good lol

[@sheba6779]

Hi I can only achieve 51mpg with the SSP-G PERFORMANCE CLUTCH KIT and the MALOSSI VARIATOR KIT (12) roller’s FOR the HONDA NAVI. What’s your thoughts on the break in period? I currently have 197 miles on it. I’m wondering if it will go faster after the break in. Thank you

[@rideordie6886]

Unfortunately with the mpg it will never be vary good on less then a gallon of Petro in the the tank, it’s a constant full throttle kinda toy… Yes you will start to see things loosing up I personally think the malossi variator is a waste. I would go with 13 gram roller weights and a lighter clutch cover that’s more lighter and breathable. Also a 1400rmp clutch spring. Mines pretty quick with out changing out the factory carb but remember if you want faster just buy a different bike lol good luck

[@jayyy4491]

@@rideordie6886what’s up man thanks for the videos. I got a Navi for delivery and want to hit a consistent 50mph even in winds with 25mph. Usually in those weather conditions I top out 45mph. Also would like to accelerate faster to that speed. What I’m thinking of doing is getting weights and deleting the rev limiter? I’m really not at all a mechanic but I’m willing to learn and try! Any tips or advice would be great. One of the old Honda guys told me 30k miles should be doable for the Navi before any serious mechanical issues. If I could keep that 30k estimate and do these upgrades that’d be great. I suppose the 50mph would be best as I don’t like slowing traffic down. They can wait for me to get there tho lol

[@jimbender5780]

Very well done 👍

[@rideordie6886]

Thanks for watching Jim.

[@kenrichmond6906]

Can you just change out the roller weights? If so, what kind of performance enhancements would you get?

[@rideordie6886]

Yes going lower in your weights will make more acceleration but you might lose on your top end…

[@lordlotus4704]

Out of curiosity would replacing just the roller Weights with the ones you purchased make any impact on performance ?

[@rideordie6886]

Hey Lord Lotus. Unfortunately it’s still winter where I live and won’t be able to ride the Navi for another month and half. Thank you for watching and if you haven’t already thanks for subscribing.

[@darrinmyagi2439]

Basically the roller weights change how much rpm the bike can spin up to. Heavier roller weights gives the bike more low end torque and the lighter weights give the bike more top speed. You need to test different weights to see which one you prefer.

[@sulmanshah]

Can you install lightweight rollers on the stock setup? Or do you need to upgrade other parts to install lighter weight rollers?

[@rideordie6886]

Definitely can install lighter rollers with factory clutch and factory belt

[@sulmanshah]

@@rideordie6886 thanks man!

[@phisharkk]

do you know the size of the spanner wrench?

[@michaeldunn3328]

Where can I buy that kit brother

[@pradeeprai9127]

So good and super 👍👍👍

[@chrisluna8184]

Thanks for the great video

[@rideordie6886]

Thank you chris for the kind words and thanks for watching.

[@JLUKable]

Where did you get that clutch compressor?

[@rideordie6886]

I think eBay I’ve had it for years

[@dangrefrath9852]

What is gained by these changes?

[@robert420ism]

Is the new contra spring 1000, 1500 or 2000? Thank you!!!

[@rideordie6886]

1500

[@robertlehnhoff9100]

Thank you I appreciate it. Love your videos. Have a great day!!

[@schweizerballs573]

Can you tell us why you think this was necessary. What problem were you trying to solve?

[@rideordie6886]

Just upgrading for better acceleration

[@schweizerballs573]

@@rideordie6886 thanks…hoping to get mine today.

[@schweizerballs573]

@@rideordie6886 what were the numbers before and after?

[@rideordie6886]

@@schweizerballs573 cool I’m sure you will enjoy it.

[@rideordie6886]

@@schweizerballs573 what numbers are you referring to? Lower or heavier weight roller in crease or decrease acceleration or top end. Lower weight increases acceleration but lessons top end, heavier weight will lesson acceleration.

[@majejs]

Zise rollers 20x15 o 18x14

[@stevenjones8606]

Were can I get the 2 tools you are using

[@rideordie6886]

Hey Steve. Im guessing you talking about the clutch tool and clutch spring tool? Here’s the tools you will need to do the job, there are a lot of people that just use an impact but I have the tool to do the job so I use them of course. Impacts can damage things if your not use to using them fyi

[@rideordie6886]

www.amazon.com/Tusk-L35-471-Clutch-Holding-Tool/dp/B0039LEZFS/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=LRLOJ1II8CQL&keywords=motorcycle+clutch+tool&qid=1655464981&sprefix=motorcycle+clutch+tool%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-3

[@rideordie6886]

www.amazon.com/8MILELAKE-Clutch-Holding-Motorcycle-Flywheel/dp/B07JPD7TZY/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=LRLOJ1II8CQL&keywords=motorcycle+clutch+tool&qid=1655464981&sprefix=motorcycle+clutch+tool%2Caps%2C210&sr=8-6

[@rideordie6886]

www.ebay.com/itm/183287075762?hash=item2aacc2d3b2:g:l3UAAOSwR-ZahHFz

[@sheba6779]

Great video 👍🏼

[@rideordie6886]

Thank you Sheba!

[@jeromelarnac6210]

another question how many rpm at thé spring?

[@rideordie6886]

1500 I believe

[@nelsonortiz4200]

Where did you get the parts ?

[@rideordie6886]

For a Japan company

[@meymoto4810]

Can you quantify the difference this has made?

[@rideordie6886]

Hi MeyMoto! Thanks for watching and if you haven’t already thanks for subscribing. Yes better throttle response and better acceleration.

[@meymoto4810]

@@rideordie6886 what’s the top speed now? I’m 230 and max it out downhill around 50-51mph.

[@rideordie6886]

53 mph unfortunately it’s just 110cc so if you want to go faster might need a bigger cc bike.

[@meymoto4810]

@@rideordie6886 yeah they were advertising that kit and a carb kit raised it 2hp and gave it more MPH. I have other bikes, this one is the wife’s. Just want it a little safer with some of the faster roads (non interstate of course) we have around here

[@danasymosky5609]

Nice video👍

[@havefunbesafe]

My California dealer wants $3100 plus fees....seems too much

[@rideordie6886]

Unfortunately California is expensive regardless and will always pay more then the rest of the country not just on the Navi but everything… I payed 2400.00 1/1/2022 in the Midwest…

[@kzirb]

Should have you run my stock Navi and see the difference!

[@rideordie6886]

actually thats a good idea, bone stock vs upgraded navi. will have to figure out how to exchange digits

[@kzirb]

@@rideordie6886 should hop on Instagram! Tons of Grom/Navi content

[@rideordie6886]

so one thing that really bugged me and still does is the left riser is lower then the right which makes the left handle bar look goofy like bent and down even with the aftermarket handlebar on. take a look at yours and let me know what you think. I checked out the one at moon and it was the same way too...

[@kzirb]

@@rideordie6886 I’ll check it out!

[@Mondo_Monchi]

I don’t know how someone would attempt that without the clutch compressor honestly 😂 I guess it’s the same people who change suspension coils without compressors 🤔🤣

[@rideordie6886]

lol yeah just doesn't make to much sense to me. thanks for watching!

[@SCMOTO]

FIRST

[@rideordie6886]

I like 3rd place, still on the podium and something to chase lol just documenting every upgrade/mod as I go. I wish I could do some test runs with the Navi but still in our winter up here in MN. I did some circles in the outbuilding and the rear tire was getting some tire side so that was fun...

[@SCMOTO]

@@rideordie6886 Nice

[@rideordie6886]

@@SCMOTO stock tires are junk and I will not trust them on the streets, its been a pain trying to get tires for the Navi. only thing I see the stock tires working for is smoke signal's from MN to SC lol

[@SCMOTO]

@@rideordie6886 lmao so true. I found some Maxxis M6029 tires on ebay. I have gone through several tire orders just to have them all cancel but these actually shipped

[@StrangersIteDomum]

Compressing the new spring by hand to get it all back in the tool kinda defeats your comments about safety.

[@rideordie6886]

what’s wrong with setting up the compression tool, if your that worried you can put you motorcycle helmet Mr Lee lol Thanks for watching

[@Liu-ruyan]

Test drive it see if it does what you claim it does cuz I call BS on these upgrades!

[@rideordie6886]

What did I clam it would do?

[@ericmjunker7883]

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS? You HAVE NOT EXPLAINED WHAT THE PURPOSE IS. I would like to upgrade my gas golf cart. If I know what helps more torque and quicker RPM.

[@rideordie6886]

Quicker acceleration is all its doing… Thanks for watching and subscribe 👍

[@arturosalvi8650]

Malossi multi var variator 5115211

[@rideordie6886]

Can you give me a bit more info on the variator? What makes it good or the best? Thank you for the response:)

[@kzirb]

Do you have an Instagram? I’d love to message you and ask some more questions!

[@rideordie6886]

hey kyle i just have the KZbin channel. no fb or Instagram.

[@23killquick]

Why did you go with blue? You might as well have kept it stock at that point... needed to go red or white.

[@rideordie6886]

Just came with the kit… honestly after owning it for a year and only having 600 miles on it I don’t really use it. If I want to go fast I just hope on a bigger displacement moto. I purchased the Navi out of boredom last winter and lost the excitement. Yes I like the simplicity of navi but no matter what you do and how much you spend on the Navi (which I could have bought two of them) it will never be what you really want… but thanks for telling me I bought the wrong bike 😆 but I’m glade your getting ever ounce of enjoyment out of your Navi!