Hongi Goes To England: Episode 26, Musket Wars #8

[@soulfate2]

Amazing Imagine making all these stories into a Netflix series.. make it really good

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Really not

[@paualadyproductions651]

Yes,we can visualize this,what an excellent movie it would make!

[@libgapper9761]

Thank you for creating these videos

[@alphacitizen857]

You're awesome man! thoroughly enjoy all you're content, I'm a keen metal detectorist and you regularly set me off on new searches 👌

[@gerradanania8270]

@kiwicodger Thank you Sir, i accidentally discovered your video on Hawaiki...so glad i did! Very interesting, uplifting korero. It warms my heart knowing there are pakeha like yourself who take the time to learn and teach even our people about our beautiful culture and history. My whanau and i reside in Western Australia, we really appreciate your efforts ehoa. I'm about to dive into all your content, Mauri Ora ☝🏽💚

[@Omegazerogravity90]

Mauri Ora. well done Hongi Hika !! cool funny man you were Hongi !!

[@adammoengaroa5305]

wtf lol dude was a menace

[@kayemckean615]

Thanks for helping our history come alive! Love your history videos!

[@kiwicodger]

Hi Kaye, glad you are enjoying the videos. Northshore is rich in the early history of NZ, with some wonderful Pā, alas highly affected by urbanisation, but still some good examples. Patuone, a wonderful character in NZ history is buried in the cemetery on the side of Mt Hobson, if age appropraite get your students to research him then go visit his grave..... makes all this real.

[@kiwicodger]

Not Mt Hobson... I meant Mt Victoria....oops

[@kayemckean615]

@@kiwicodger Yes! We have a school trip planned there for later this month (so long as we are back at level 1). Will do the coastal historical walk, go to the cemetery - to check out Patuone and others, climb North Head and visit the museum. Thanks for the tip! I am often confounded why significant historical places, like Patuone's grave, are not more widely known! Your channel here is wonderful for all Kiwi's to learn and get inspired about our history.

[@kiwicodger]

Kaye, you are doing a great job as a teacher, your pupils are lucky. Captain Wynard is right next to Patuone's grave, he was a dominant figure in Auckland's early history and a number of things are named after him (e.g. Wynard Quarter, he died in 1871) I think we will see NZ history take on a greater significance going forward, but todate many historical sites are completely unmarked and unacknowledged.

[@kayemckean615]

@@kiwicodger Thank you! I'll go and find the grave on the weekend and do some research so we can learn about him too. Thank you for sharing your amazing knowledge.

[@willstar8095]

"Shit just got real..." LOVE IT LOL

[@richardsingh5827]

Good work

[@ngatibroffessor1840]

Great detail....btw you have a great story telling voice.

[@graemehuia5964]

"There for you!" the most shuddering words ever uttered.

[@kiwicodger]

You certainly didn't want to be on the end of that threat!

[@MrSicc274]

I’m from this guys tribe. It’s a sad story this but old people and their politics are hard for modern people to understand.

[@coreyanderson3076]

Loved it 😇😍✌..........Those Maori were a bit slippery lol

[@kiwicodger]

All fair in love and war eh! 😎

[@vwxyz0002]

Were smart and still smart.

[@isabelblundell871]

Kia ora Kiwi Codger. I am interested to find as much history about the North Shore (pre-migration) - namely Glenfield and the surrounding suburbs. Is there any historical kōrero/videos/books I can go to to help start our learning journey for my school? NZ History.

[@kiwicodger]

Not sure if you mean pre-migration or pre-colonisation. If pre- migration then I have no idea, if pre-colonisation then you may have a chance at the research section of the Maukau Library or the Main Auckland Library. There were a number of Pa along the Northshore that probably had some battles that were recorded.

[@hugoreeve5861]

Great video, thank you. Can you recommend any books/sources about Hongi and his trip to England? Cheers

[@kiwicodger]

Sorry for the delay. The book I used as a reference was Hongi Hika : warrior chief /by Dorothy Urlich Cloher. Another good book to give you an idea of all the other things happening in Maoridom at the time is the 'Musket Wars' by Ron Crosby. You may be interested in this link www.hongishikoi.com/

[@jammyscouser2583]

Hongi gave de Thierry 40 thousand acres in Hokianga. No bloody wonder Nene didn't like him

[@lifes_abeach6040]

He got shot in my paddock Mangamuka

[@chrispaul1363]

Hongi hika is my 5th great grandfather mixed feelings about the things he did.he was definitely a great leader though that's for sure only problem he was only trying to benefit himself and nga puhi and not Maori as a whole.

[@kiwicodger]

Maoridom as we know it today is a modern concept. Back in the day it was tribal based,. In WW2 the Maori Battalions had to be carefully constructed with certain tribes that could get along who had minimal utu towards each other. Even today, if you scratch the surface of 'Maoridom' it is still very tribal based. Ironically it has been pakeha that have forced tribes to become more united and this has brought Maoridom into existence.

[@chrispaul1363]

I know it was different I just don't like the way they were thinking in this way.

[@rihipaeahughes9831]

Caused the migration of Ngati Hine east to outer Boi formed a new Hapu Te whanauwhero after Hauangiangi and his brothers led the battle of Taiamai

[@joereihana5403]

Hongi is my Tipuna Ruatara was his right hand man , And im trying to get a desent picture of him coz im am getting his mataora-ta moko very soon ...

[@kiwicodger]

Ruatara was an truly amazing man, its a pity he died moderately young. Alas I do not know of any sketches of Ruatara, so I think you may be out of luck.

[@joereihana5403]

@@kiwicodger I ment a picture of hongis taa Moko that is my Moko ..

[@kiwicodger]

@@joereihana5403 Woops, I got the wrong end of the stick there. With Hongi Hika you are in luck, not so much with pictures although there is one that shows his Moko accurately, but your best bet is the head carving Hongi did for Marsden in Sydney where he carved his Moko on it. I attach an a link to an excellent video kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z3-4qpp7g5dratU about 1hr 2mn is a discussion of the carved heads (there's 3 of them) Anyway if you want to rplicate Hongi's Tattoo then these would be the most accurate. Let me know how you get on

[@joereihana5403]

@@kiwicodger choice thanks but these lovey ladies that are doing my mirimiri can see it as well and the matua that's here can see it on me aswel and hongi giving me his approval which I fully don't understand sort of but I have much mahi to do before that like I have to find his korowai don't know which one but got some mahi to do first ...kia ora mo to awhi kiwi codger nga mihi👍

[@PsychicIsaacs]

My ancestor was a famous Scottish Chief and English Earl, the Earl of Lindsay (they lived right on the Border which explains this). There is an old family story that many years ago, during the 19th Century, a famous Maori chief was their house guest, and about nine months after he left, Her Ladyship gave birth to a brown baby! The Earl claimed that the child was indeed his own, and that it was a throwback to a Roman ancestor, but that's a strange coincidence (nudge, wink!) That baby grew up to be my Ancestor, my mother's mother's Ancestor. In 1973, my parents moved to Rotorua, and about a year later, I was born. Mum and Dad were formerly missionaries among the Australian Aborigines, and the Aboriginal women loved my Mum. They said that she had their Spirit, moreso than the Spirit of the White Man. When they moved to New Zealand, they preferred to be with the Maori than with other White People, and my Mum, especially, was often mistaken for being a Maori woman. She would have Maori women walk up to her in the street and begin speaking Maori to her. She had black hair, green eyes and olive-brown skin, although she was of English and Scottish ancestry, so she looked like she might have been a dark haired "Whaka Blonde"! But more than that, she had the ways of a Maori woman, she just fitted right in with them! She was especially friendly with an old Nga Puhi woman called Hannah Veale, who lived on Clayton Road. Mrs Veale didn't have many friends, because she was a Nga Puhi and lived in Rotorua, but she was friends with my Mum. I remember Mrs Veale being a very hard lady, but she had a good heart, she was tough but fair, and in my dealings with the Nga Puhi over the years, this is how I have found them to be. I love Te Arawa as well, and even became friends with Hiko i te Rangi Hohepa, when I was younger, and his sister Mihi, but it is curious how both I and my Mum were able to connect so readily with the Maori people, even with the Nga Puhi, who are not known for their love of the Pakeha. Incidentally, if I ever meet any Nga Puhi people, I tell them this story, about the Maori Chief (Hongi Hika) who stayed with my Ancestor, and how his wife had a brown baby after they left, and they just laugh! When I ask them if Hongi was known to do this to other Chief's wives, they just keep laughing, and I think I have my answer, right there...

[@kiwicodger]

What a great story to have in the family. The odds of it being true are probably slim. There were many Maori who went to England at the beginning of the 19th century, the Maori chief could have been one of many, but stay with Hongi, we was the top dog. Certainly the odds of them being Ngāpuhi would have been high. Don;t forget, things were very strick and regulated back then, the chance to bang your host's wife would have required pretty bizarre circumstances. Loved the story though, thanks for sharing.

[@PsychicIsaacs]

@@kiwicodger To this day, sometimes brown babies are born in the family, even when there has been absolutely no infidelity! One of my first cousins, for example, is so dark, he'd pass for a Maori, but his Mum is a strict Catholic and a very sweet lady who wouldn't dream of cheating on her husband, and both she and her husband are White. So, "Pesky Romans!" :) It could all just be a coincidence, though, nobody will ever know for sure. However, even Queen Victoria was, apparently, quite the wild woman, behind closed doors, and nobody ever knew about it until her diaries and letters were published, just a few decades ago! As well as this, the Lindsays (aka Crawfords) were wealthy and influential people about the Port of Whitby, which would have put them into contact with a certain James Cook and his entourage, back in the day. It would be interesting to go and research these connections, but there might be problems there as well, in that the British Blue Bloods get all strange when you go looking in closets for the Family Skeletons!

[@paualadyproductions651]

Put that in the movie to...

[@ghettotech9617]

have you read the book puriri trees are laughing

[@bonturner5720]

Hongi had the luck of the gods with him throughout his entire epic journey

[@evelyntarawa7140]

Proud of My Tupuna Hongi Hika

[@kiwicodger]

Hongi was special alright, if born today he would be a tycoon I reckon.

[@Omegazerogravity90]

Thankyou for this video kiwi codger. I WISH there was no racism in our country

[@ocevicheband502]

There isn't. Only bible bashed Dropkicks.

[@Omegazerogravity90]

even to a certain degree r u sure? 🤣

[@Omegazerogravity90]

and you hold your coment to yourself while others have there opinions lol ok

[@Warr3331]

@@ocevicheband502 blessing from GOD to Abraham was certainly. Given

[@ocevicheband502]

My karu karu r on storks! The storks of te Manu Ana Tau Kokopu,And Tiaho o Ngati Maru Tu Aho. Savages!!! Ngati Wai. Nga Puhi! By Haua/ later Mate te Kura !!! So few could utter these kupu.

[@finnbarwhitham1640]

that gaming chair tho

[@cryptotricks8702]

Give me your robux finn

[@matadorau8714]

finn social studies work?

[@whaihaare1494]

Last person to talk about our history to us ,mate

[@kiwicodger]

You are probably right.

[@tangimaniapoto6282]

I’m a Waikato descendant

[@kiwicodger]

Have just uploaded my video of Hongi coming down to Auckland to attack Te Hinaki. Waikato , probably reluctantly, came down with him. This expidition appears to have been a big turning point for Waikato. Being a descendent of Waikato is something to be proud of, he could see a new future for Maori, unlike Hongi.

[@kanakamakapalua6097]

@@kiwicodger But in reality the missionaries only saw their future in Aokealoa.

[@kanakamakapalua6097]

Like Hika Waikato Manukau was an import from Tahiti (Tuamotu caliphate) that's where all those who claim the missionaries 1839 nz maori title were ferried in from.

[@tawakemoetahanga627]

He lost his mana,,wen he came away from Rotorua, he opened his big mouth n said he'd eat our tohunga,n take out our chiefian line,,, didn't happen🖕

[@kiwicodger]

After two hundred years bad feelings still lie just below the surface. He didn't lose his mana after the attack on Mokia Is, it was close to the pinnacle of his mana. It was really when things started to go bad for him in the Bay of Islands when he got embroiled in a civil war with those in Whangaroa Harbour that life and his mana took a turn for the worse. He was shot through the chest, survived a year before succumbing to the wound. He still died a much feared leader of the area, you crossed him at your own peril.

[@tawakemoetahanga627]

@@kiwicodger tumakoha could wait , doesn't matter when , hongi still lost his mana.

[@Ramdingle007]

@@tawakemoetahanga627 Hongi only let your tupuna survive by forcing them into crawling under the legs of a wahine. Hongi could have wiped them out if he wanted to

[@kanakamakapalua6097]

Hika and Manukau were colonial toerags who had no Aboriginal links to Aokealoa whatsoever and whose ancestors were integrated (mixed) and indoctrinated slaves imported from the Tuamotu archipelago around 1502.AD. an area colonized by the European's since 1200.AD that later went under the Vatican's 1452 right of discovery proclamation which is now deemed illegal under International Law, I mean how do you discover a country, continent or island that had already been settled by Pacific Islanders 1000's of years before? In 1817 Aokealoa Aboriginal descendants and true Sovereign First Nation Nga Iwi Māui rejected the baalangi invaders proposed civil government, religious order and foreign sovereignty, this didn't sit well with the colonial invaders so they devised a plan to exterminate Iwi Māui using the young toerags Hika and Manukau hence the trip to England to seek muskets and create the missionaries Rarotongan revised te reo maori whilst they were there as kendall was fluent in the cook island dialect. Now the colonial invaders enemy were Iwi Māui who had very little if any muskets among them so to say it was a war is down right Ludicrous. So we can see clearly now that the voyage to England was a premeditated plan to commit mass genocide of over 23.000 Iwi Māui including Mori Ori who were basically armed with sticks and stones and probably 6 muskets if that.

[@aokealoakanakamaoli6958]

They were colonial missionary kupapa muppet..

[@anthonydalton187]

your the Muppet

[@aokealoakanakamaoli6958]

@@anthonydalton187 gfy toerag

[@oliver8241]

good but, you swore tbh

[@sammatthews7560]

ikr

[@aokealoakanakamaoli6958]

After rejecting the colonials proposed civilian government in 1790 Aboriginal Aokealoa Kanaka Maoli were penciled in for extermination. The genocide & mass murder of Aboriginal Aokealoa Kanaka began with 500+muskets provided by the missionaries. All those involved with the genocides were all involved with the signing of the treaty.

[@chrispaul1363]

@devious1 bro I'm same as you ngati awa hard East coast but hongi hika is my 5th great grandfather his moko married my 3rd great koro from whakatane some of the things he did annoy me cos I know what he done in the east coast abit I find unfair is he had guns. But oh well that's the past and our culture is thriving today

[@ariesngarotata499]

lol classic Maori 😂

[@aokealoakanakamaoli6958]

The British annexation of Aokealoa is deemed illegal as it never included Aboriginal Aokealoa Kanaka Maoli Sovereignty.

[@aokealoakanakamaoli6958]

Ngapuhi & Waikato were missionary muppets these tribes were imported into Aokealoa from the Tahitian islands which had been colonized by the Europeans since 1290.AD.

[@brookerikaheke9820]

I will divorce my English wife in 2023 and I will marry a Maori woman to respect my tupuna

[@kiwicodger]

This certainly is one of the strangest comments to grace my videos, either way, best of luck.

[@hfhso37ndnks]

@@kiwicodgerI’ll say.

[@kanakamakapalua6097]

The missionaries were responsible for the mass murders of Sovereign Aokealoa Aboriginal Tangata Whenua aka Kānaka Mā'oli creating tribes imported from other islands such as French Polynesia, Micronesia, Melanesia, Tahiti, Cook islands, Tokelau & the Tuamotu Caliphate.