Porsche ITBs on a VW VR6? Scotto's Corolla AE86 gets weirder

[@VYSEGRIP]

Can we just appreciate what Hoonigan does with R&D of outlandish builds. Hats off to the boys and their connections within the community.

[@daniesalex7073]

Usually they are happy with bolting on tried and tested stuff , the outlandish part is very rare

[@remurrr]

Nope, this one *HOONIGAN ruining the essence of the root of a JDM car*

[@America_Countryhumans1]

This shit is tried and true just wish it was a 5 pot for suee

[@James-po2sv]

No

[@mylantadavis3092]

They do nothing to further actual research and development in any facet.

[@vdub5818]

As someone who has owned a mk4 24v vr6 gti for about 15 years, this warms my heart. This vrsex is going to sound so good, then and add to that it's in an RWD platform. Chef's kiss for sure!

[@JB-sv5pr]

U ever miss the GTi?

[@vdub5818]

@@JB-sv5pr nope, because it's in my garage right now 😁 Granted I never drive it, as I became an offroading Jeepaholic.

[@dubCanuck1]

JEEP. Just Empty Every Pocket

[@vdub5818]

@@dubCanuck1 you're telling me. 37" MT's sure ain't cheap in today's economy!

[@GenesMean]

That VR6 is going to sound mad! If and when you get it running 👍🏿

[@RyanFannon-fy1yf]

Scotto projects are the best. They never end 😂😂😂

[@Bigpoopihouse11]

Scotto doesn’t know how to swim

[@xt.j.x]

Exactly thinking this. Very cool, but little progress.

[@MrJermbob]

Its because he wont be able to drive it once its done.

[@YeshuaDisciple916]

​@@MrJermbobWhy not?

[@MrJermbob]

You need to be a practicing driver to handle high hp cars well.@@YeshuaDisciple916

[@DTRI89]

The video editor is too funny. Makes my day with every video.

[@ramounwoods]

Literally 😂😂

[@Celco217]

True Scotto carcaine parts story... He paid me for A8 junkyard doors during covid, but Fastenal freight shipping got limited and was dumb money to ship. I tried to contact to coordinate possible pickup but I got ghosted. Tried to refund or send just the window regulators but never got through. Hoonigan, get this man on the horn, I found other cool rare carcaine parts (VW Quantum) he might want/need.

[@gordowg1wg145]

What I really like about these sorts of builds is that they're harking back to the very early days of "hot rodding", when folks would just use what they could find, or had lying around, because no-one else was doing what they were and they had to figure it all out for themselves. Nowadays, it's almost all "drop an LS in it", with kits for damn-near everything and cheque-books taking over from lateral thinking. Bit surprised you didn't go straight to an internal pedal box - many advantages, not least it's not going to be anywhere near to being in the way. SMART move with the long transmission mount slots - it means that when (not if) the clutch needs work one just needs to disconnect one end of the prop-shaft, pop the gear lever, disconnect the clutch linkage/hose (STRONGLY recommend a dry break quick discomnnect to avoid bleeding hassles) as used, and the gearbox can be slid back as long as it has clearance and the front supported by a transmission jack - might even have potential for inclining it, to match the line of the engine crankshaft and make it MUCH easier to line up the input shaft and bellhousing dowels.

[@bencook3242]

For all you vdub kids at hoonigan there seems to be a lack of vw audi content/builds🤔 vr swap the world!! I’m stoked for this build Scotto, thank you for doing this

[@MOTA_KRAMPUS]

Exactly

[@Bob_Smith19]

They have more money and moved on. One of them should be building a monster RS3. I’d love to see Scotto restore the swallowtail. But that would be a 30 year build that’s never finished.

[@travistaylor8122]

I'm so happy you're a euro kid, this is by far sickest hoonigan build yet!

[@BigAuf_]

Has anyone considered how having a single bolt through a slotted engine mount might not be a great idea with regards to engine movement/vibrations? Seems like setting yourself up for it to fail the first time you floor it, particularly if you're doing hard launches in gymkhana 👀

[@KHALABEEB]

It might be an issue, but consider the fact that its not a high horsepower or torque application he should be ok. He might wear out bushings quicker though🤣🤷‍♂

[@ReignitedAuto]

Dodge Cummins engines use mounts with a single bolt in a slotted frame mount, they tend to make a fair amount of torque 😄 and they work just fine.

[@shona5512]

Pretty sure Scotto said in the last episode that the slotted mounts are more for being able to position the engine for the gearbox and other components. Once they have everything test fitted and have the positioning of the engine finalized, they'll make another set of mounts that aren't slotted.

[@ObscureGarage.]

@@shona5512he just described in this episode that the slots are there to allow access to the steering rack. It’s a feature that’s needed but I agree it should probably be a dual stud motor mounts to help anchor and prevent any rotating under torque.

[@krusher74]

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[@delphipascal]

One of my favourite Hoonigan builds this

[@kylejohnson8627]

One of English language hardest, the.

[@shred1894]

The only thing I'd be worried about is that the intake runners aren't compensating for the weird head geometry where half the cylinders have a longer intake port. I do think the exhaust side is more important to make sure 'equal length' is in fact equal though, so when it comes time for the exhaust side...

[@fhblake04]

This. I would imagine the unequal length intake would make it a bit more difficult to make full effort power. I would also imagine the sound will be slightly off as well.

[@shred1894]

@@fhblake04 Honestly, I think it might sound cool, and the performance would only be a few HP so it's probably not a huge deal. The exhaust side is the one that matters more because scavenging and whatnot.

[@RyTrapp0]

Honestly shouldn't be too big of a deal, if you correct it in with individual cylinder cam lobe design then you can optimize each cylinder individually. This would give you a broader power cover with the 2 different runner lengths. Even at that, it's not like most people are running cams that are truly optimized for their intake & exhaust setups, if you're buying shelf parts rather than custom parts you're just "close enough"-ing it anyway, and more often than not "close enough" really is close enough(to not matter). Go look at old Can-Am cars like the McLaren M8 - glorified go-karts with big block Chevys, they commonly ran individual runner intakes with 2 different length velocity stacks(same thing as runner length). Mind you, it was as much for fitting all the velocity stacks on the manifold with the intake port arrangement as much as it was for broadening the power curve, but it works just fine. And looks totally bitchin!

[@raditz4309]

Or he could make the throtl bodys open at different angles/degrees between the long ones and short ones

[@Sun-ut9gr]

That's easily handled with matching uneven stacks...or, it would be if Scotto kept them true ITB and not feeding them all into a common plenum. Dude's gonna have a bad time lol

[@alfredotovar8984]

Shoutout to the editors for their savagery 😮‍💨👌🏼 and also to the hero of this episode, Mexican Squirt in a bottle 🇲🇽

[@thembanimdlalose5229]

Lol "You can't lose a race no one's running"😂

[@Syscrush]

I love this project so much. I've never understood why the VR6 never became a popular choice for RWD applications. Good luck with it, can't wait to see this burning up a track!

[@raduorban]

Because the m50 was around at the same time. As much as i love a vr6 even though being a bmw guy. M50 is king

[@JB-sv5pr]

@@raduorbanidk I think those two motors are nightmares when things wrong B58 is prob the only euro motor I’d run

[@raduorban]

@@JB-sv5pr you can almost swap/fix a m5x into anything with basic tools. Even tuning them is easy these days. B58 is way more expensive and hard to swap into another chasis.

[@raduorban]

@@JB-sv5pr you can almost swap/fix a m5x into anything with basic tools. Even tuning them is easy these days. B58 is way more expensive and hard to swap into another chasis.

[@RyTrapp0]

FWD engines in RWD apps just tend to be expensive pains in the ass TBH. I'm into it, but it isn't surprising that it isn't all that popular.

[@jakeolvera88]

Love that he's using a VR6! ❤

[@Sun-ut9gr]

IDK bout that common plenum idea, Scotto. They're _I_ TBs. Also the VR has uneven runners that the OEM manifold compensates for. You're gonna have to do something about that as well or you're gonna have a bad time lol

[@Bluepower20vt]

Real nice project! Any updates on the ITB install??

[@casasdenick]

Watching these Scotto and Vin builds feels like someone ripping my exact dream builds out of my head. You both continue to check the right boxes on just about everything haha, from e88's to VR's in hachi's to dailying a swallowtail. Can't wait to see this one done.

[@davidcombs8458]

I have a BMW 2002 with ITBs. I almost bought a set from TWM, which was absorbed by Borla. But I found a screaming deal on a setup from dBilas and went that route.

[@xRaptorScreamx]

Bracket Brian back at it again, nice!

[@zzzz1192]

SCOTTO: vr6 heads have different length intake ports, those matching length itbs are going to cause "mysteries" when attempting to tune... (differing air speed/flows/rates of change) you might want to run two different sized "injector stacks" / air horns, to null the differences. reference vwvortex custom intake manifolds and how people run different length intake runners, leading to the head. i build air cooled vws 9-5, and grew up in racing engine building, sprint cars with stacks/itbs on v8s. good luck! and i hope it runs great!

[@HooniganProjectGarage]

Yep, already working on that.

[@DanREVan]

Scotto is my spirit animal. His energy makes me feel validated.

[@all-flat-engines]

FYI for anyone looking for those manifolds they're not exclusively Porsche, the air-cooled VW world also run them (minus the Porsche tax)

[@shona5512]

Hope Scotto does us VW boys proud with this build! VR6 Represent! Next up, a cammed 2.Slow with ITBs in a MK1 Caddy/Rabbit pickup!

[@boostaddict_]

I can't WAIT to see this thing finished. Currently thinking about 3.2 swapping a blown up B7 as a daily, this series is going to be a great resource since there isn't a ton of info about weird VR swaps.

[@bigbird2451]

What a beautiful Datsun truck. Well done Sir!

[@ΘάνατοςΧορτοφάγος]

The intake ports in the head are uneven length, so even length itb isnt correct

[@shred1894]

That's what I'm worried about. Hopefully they make the exhaust runners compensate when they do the headers.

[@RyTrapp0]

Not a big deal. Look at single plane intake manifolds for V8s - they have 2 different runner lengths, the corner cylinders have longer runners than the center cylinders. You can correct that by using 2 different cam lobes to have the 'ideal' lobe for each cylinder, but it really doesn't make that much of a difference. Old school V8 race cars would run 2 different velocity stack lengths as well just to fit all the stacks. No big deal.

[@leafydialupking1]

Aren’t the intake runners different length between the even and odd number cylinders on the vr6? That’s kind of an issue for this you need trumpets of different lengths for those cylinders or else the VE map in the tune is going to be different between them. Like the odd and even cylinders are going to have different rpm torque peaks (and thus different fuel requirements).

[@joeburrows6]

Going for the British mark 11 escort cosworth rally car engine. It’s going to sound sick just like the escort. But like the escort. It has to have a turbo and one big dump valve.

[@OmigaSinner]

The removable radiator support for the win! I did that on my 85 Celica GTS since I'm 2JZ swapping it. Only way to get it in and work on it. Hopefully they add a strut bar to help with the removed support and stiffness

[@bryan_turner]

I'm watching this seeing Borla (Jenvey) and BBI being mentioned, but no mention of Nubworks who is currently building the intake manifold. That kinda bums me out because Justin deserves every bit of credit and publicity. He's widely known for his place in making great stuff for VW engines.

[@AaRonBurgundy]

Took time out of his busy schedule of buying Audi/VW's plus tractoring to do some build stuff! I like it

[@nicolasrodriguez9988]

His Datsun is b-e-a-u-tiful 😍

[@targitpractice]

Ok but whens the build breakdown for that datsun 520 ? 😮

[@aburr6388]

Where is the rest of this build? I was super interested in it being finished

[@vutivimashele709]

I'm going to wait for this built to be finished just to comment "Give Angelo his car back."

[@nicolelongneckergallery]

Why not rotate the throttle bodies about 15 degrees up? No change in flow, gets you some room near the brake booster.

[@sargentscythe]

Saw the E36 at Gridlife Laguna Seca, looks great!

[@latrinedveen]

As a previous VR6 owner, if you don't know how ITB sounds on these look it up and imagine Chewbacca howling along with it. Your welcome.

[@steuwiebananas]

Man, i want to watch this next episode. Please, so excited with this VR6 engine! I know scotto’s vision ❤

[@Billyspacerocket]

Love your choices Scotto - NA ITB VR6 = All of the ❤

[@Radm0bile]

Such a cool 20 minute ad for why Brian is gonna be driving the Merkur.

[@HooniganProjectGarage]

ouch

[@misternippster]

sad this will never get finished. This was the build i was most hyped for

[@Sauron969]

Are we ever getting back to this? was really stoked to see this one get finished.

[@Tclans]

17:20 Loving Scotto in full scumbag mode throwing the F bombs 😅

[@YOEL_44]

Yeah dude, cars with history are the best!!!! I still don't understand why I have a Ferrari dealer special steering wheel in my bonestock Abarth 500

[@colinhawley8050]

Loving this Frankenstein build so far

[@rad3d1951]

Are you going to play with velocity stack lengths too to get the most out of NA ?

[@davismendoza2125]

Scott you’re doing great 🙏🏽 43 forever

[@zacharyfaber]

Im lovin this build, I’m a vw guy at heart but e1 loves an ae

[@Matt-cd1tl]

We need Bracket Brian merch!!

[@aphiwedlamini1391]

The downside of being invested in Scotto's builds is they take at least a decade to finish, the consolation is they're worht the wait and you see why they took all that time, mostly

[@scruba_dub]

I like the quick removal mods! Good shit Scotto and Team!

[@jtmcrash]

editors always on point lol Also finished my VW before scotto lol and scotto you might aswell do 6 to 1 headers and magnetic valve springs if your doing the ITBs cant half ass it now lol

[@HITTHEHAZARD]

The build is serious when the boys bring out the Boba drinks 🧋😂

[@oldninjarider]

old school DCNF style TB with a shorty manifold runner? I'd be concerned about port velocity but we'll see.

[@caseyspeer8179]

I love the content I also love guys like you that paved the wavy for other people to do things like this to cars because you're getting a part done that's never been made before now somebody goes down the line and makes this engine to do something they can get the part now the more custom Fab parts that get done and scanned the more we can get aftermarket parts out there like this

[@UncleManuel]

"Neither do you." Goddamn, the shredditors were on fire for this one... 😂😂😂

[@sebastianmorrison6114]

I been waiting on a Scotto episode hell yeah

[@beastmeetbybeastexhaust835]

Do you need to make new brake lines when you upgraded the booster and cylinder?

[@briansbikesandhobbies6834]

Mate been waiting forever to see some progress on this car

[@rroneuspyludoneus8162]

I understand all of this is pre-recorded and they release stuff on a schedule, but this is really starting to feel over-engineered and drawn out.

[@lunalilo70]

Go Angelo!

[@MykalD]

Thank you Scotto for some of the best entertainment ever Just a thought why not point the trumpets vertically?

[@123chrispapa]

dont you want the offset the throttle body have one long one short since the runner lengths are different on the vr6. lengths of the intake and exhaust ports are different for each bank

[@traingeek2000]

For the sake of having a consistent location for the driveshaft length, and avoiding any possibility of the engine/trans sliding fore/aft, I think the trans mounts should not be slotted. The trans mount is easily accessible and can be unbolted and otherwise supported (on a jack or dolly) to shift the engine on its slotted mounts for steering rack servicing; making every mount slotted is not necessary. I'm all for servicability but putting a locating bolt on one portion of the powertrain to anchor the whole driveline is important, I can see the trans sliding back into and bottoming out the slip yoke or worse, forward and the yoke pops out entirely.

[@Peteblz1]

When was the last time you guys finished a project? 😢 I want to see something you guys built driving or drifting!

[@robertreynolds930]

do you not follow vin? he finished his bmw, but you should know that being a fan.

[@RyTrapp0]

I mean they're building these cars for a specific race - we'll get to see them at the race

[@chrissweetavena]

I plan on doing a NA mid-engine swap with a 24v in a 69 soon, ITBs are going to be a necessity.

[@gardz3256]

Angelo's just building the whole car

[@MHermansson]

just out of curiosity, why not angle the itb's up so they sit at a small angle? It would probably help with the clearance issue but im assuming you have a reason not to do it that way?

[@Greg240696]

btw scotto did you sell your opel manta you got back then?

[@MultiTravellingman]

With the adjustability of that sliding mount, you may want to add a backing bolt to act as a failsafe on the odd chance it slides back, otherwise sick build.

[@nathanneal160]

@Brianscotto hey man you have the cutter get a thick piece of steel and cut it to fit the VR then massage the metal to meet up with the throttle body

[@lillaprofessorn]

Finally! Let's go!!

[@DJ_NOOB]

So now I have an idea as to when this was filmed........ because those same cars were in the store when I visited. (was bummed because you boys were all at lunch and I had a flight to catch) I saw that Datsun. It is fucking sick.

[@jeremykeithwilliams]

Scotto, your car is gonna be so awesomeness!

[@TwocamsamGarage]

Be sure to put nuts and bolts on both sides of those sliding mount slots to prevent any movement.

[@chrishenniker5944]

I like the idea of putting one of these engines in a rear wheel drive layout, but if you’re looking for something interesting to use in the future, look up the Villiers V10. It’s a very narrow angle v10 that’s not much wider than any four cylinder, which can be adapted to a Mazda MX5 transmission. You can stick them anything, like a Morris Minor or Mk1 Cortina.

[@ThePower1037]

This is going to be sick!

[@zachtupy1499]

I've always wondered this, and I have my theories. Why don't people stagger the intake and exhaust runner lengths on the VR6 so they are even from cylinder to cylinder?

[@nubtv8545]

been doing it for long time now, all the versions ive built are hidden inside a plenum though.

[@drew7767]

scottos builds rock

[@wouterx333]

You guys should just give Angelo, Kody and Jolly a budget for a project car or something to make a Hoonigan videos, id watch the shit out of that.

[@reptilez13]

When an engine is out and the head off like that my instinct is to push for lightweight internals, even/especially for NA builds. High rev, those ITBs... Mmmm sound good lol

[@iggysvr6]

OMG You fuckers are building my dream... I have my 12v already just waiting for that right AE86... looking like yall are gonna do it right...

[@Balomis]

This is probably my favourite build on youtube at the moment, I love seeing what Scotto cooks up!

[@brandonhaywood3391]

Finally, at least one project car getting done.

[@omarcheevers]

what ECU and gearbox are you guys using?

[@matthewmohri9990]

Is it a 12v VR6, 24v 2.8VR6, 3.2 24v VR6, or 3.6 24v VR6? If a 12v Get the proper person to do a P&P and 41/39mm bigger valves, and Schrick 268 Cams, Mega Squirt Piggy Back, light weight UR Racing Pulleys, Autotech 10lb. Lightened Fly wheels, and 3.94 FD, Port and gasket match the lower intake manifold(if with ITB's do you use the lower mani?)and port gasket match the exhaust manifold. I think that will liven up your VR6 rather well. As someone who owned and modded a N/A VR6, the best thing you can do for headers is port and gasket match the exhaust manifolds to the head. The way the VR6 is a 15 degree angle set up, the flow gets really odd. If you are running a 24v VR6, Super Springs makes some decent headers. I know Techtonics tuning makes a great down pipe for the 12v VR6. I would also run Black Forest Race Motor Mounts, the stiffest ones they sell. Cool you have the 24v VR6 I'd try Super Sprint Headers they've been proven to make(depending on other mods)8whp-12whp to be conservative. Techtonics and Schrick makes me killer cams for The 24v VR6 as well. If you have more questions, people on VWVortex are pretty helpful.

[@erutne]

the only part of hoonigan that hasn't sold out

[@shifty1927]

Doesn't having a plenum defeat the point of itb's?

[@AnthonyW1992]

Dragging it out!! Lol, when gymkhana

[@bannerzone_UK]

I fitted Bike ITB's on my Golf VR6 10 years ago, using OMEX (I think). WHEN I got it right, WOW!! PS. Through my experience your manifolds need to be longer.

[@philippelam2447]

@14:50 whos ae86 is that?

[@PPekka]

"You can't lose a race nobody wins" 😅 that needs to be a t-shirt 😅

[@Don_Dilla]

That so sus line solidified my like😂

[@MisterTingles]

the editors roasting Scotto to him dang faic, boah.

[@RDYmoto]

Is this not just 6 throttle bodies on an intake manifold and not itb’s?

[@zzmr_stretchzz8772]

im feeling like we need a shop tour, i see alot of new cool cars like the renault

[@leoflores1994]

Or beams but this is very unique. Cant wait for the sound for sure. Vr6's definitely have a unique good tone.

[@AnarchronisticPSN]

Dammit. Can't watch this. I swore I'd wait till it's done. Heh jk. I will def watch it. Where da van at?