This year for my high school team we lacked a lot of size (our tallest guy was our 6”2) point guard. We went from scoring around 60 points per game last year to scoring around 75. We went 23-3 but lost in the district finals in 5A ball. 5 out is the future.
@buckstraw9252 жыл бұрын
I think that would be rather sad if everything was a three. The best solution would be if a nice balance can be found/kept between inside and outside play. 25yrs back it was too heavy on the importance of inside play and today, in my opinion, we've crossed over into too heavy on the outside.
@mattprice3022 жыл бұрын
@@buckstraw925 I agree to an extent but think about this. How many shorter teams do we have to taller teams? The 5 out era has allowed for even guard teams have a chance to compete
@buckstraw9252 жыл бұрын
@@mattprice302 Sure there are some positives but overall I think it is a negative. I'm thinking maybe you figure out how to play half the game with a generous three and the rest with no three. Make teams cover both inside and outside with their depth on the bench.
@mattprice3022 жыл бұрын
@@buckstraw925 scoring wise you’re Going to lose if they have a nice 6’10 who can post up strong and you have a team where 6’1 is your tallest. The 3 is the only thing going to give that team a chance to win. Believe me we played a team in Florida that was short but they all had volleyball line range and we had 7’0 strong Africans. They could SHOOT!
@buckstraw9252 жыл бұрын
@@mattprice302 Height has always been a strong advantage in the game and I see absolutely nothing wrong with that. Half the game with the three and half without. Both inside and outside play needs to be strong for a great overall team. What's wrong with that setup?
@emmanuelreyes44413 жыл бұрын
I’m happy that this video was recommended, I don’t even watch basketball but the quality of the video made it super interesting!
@user-bl3si3kq6x2 жыл бұрын
Same
@submarinefilms35233 жыл бұрын
Well in response to Rick Carlisle, The warriors use like a modern version of the triangle. Those post split actions between Draymond, Looney and Curry are a perfect example
@markpagtama79543 жыл бұрын
Thats not a triangle cause you only have 1 triangle
@PoliticusRex6323 жыл бұрын
FYI...Rick Pitino started this at Providence in the mid 80s. Then at Kentucky.
@LionThrone2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I find 5 out works well for my Under 14's team in building a basic structure that works. We went from every man for himself and all wanting to be Steph Curry to having a role to win offensive possessions "as a team". Teaching basic screens has improved their game so much. Also trying 'flow' to build in the low post block player.
@TheElmatador323 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: my uncle played with Trae young's dad Rayford in the early 90s in Texas Class 4A. My uncle was the biggest guy on the team (6'2) but they averaged about 92-97 points a game I those early years. Why? 5 out motion and transition baskets. I remember in the early 00s when the Suns were playing run and gun and thinking "they're finally catching up" lol
@michaelmittelstet6346 Жыл бұрын
That is awesome! I played against Rayford in Jr High School. I was from Borger and Rayford was a heck of a player, State Champ. JJ Mathis was on that team and he was a good friend of mine latter in college. Also played against Devin Lemons, he was a load. Good Bless Elmatador.
@qmccall03283 жыл бұрын
I love Alabama in the 5 -OUT. They are running through the SEC this year. 6-0 so far and 11-3 overall.
@Crypt1cninja3 жыл бұрын
This aged well
@Crypt1cninja3 жыл бұрын
@@serensolomand8958 LMAO
@deandrepage10483 жыл бұрын
I like a Dribble handoff/ DHO before going into your 5-Out Motion Offense = Trailing Big above the Top of Key for ball reversal to the other side instead of right back to initial side of operation.
@Raj.Sakaria3 жыл бұрын
Euro style offense. Nice to see it in the NBA. Thought it’s only in college
@michaelharvey9353 жыл бұрын
Now watch the Lakers defense from the 2020 playoffs vs Houston’s 5-out small ball, Nuggets hot offense that had Jokic a 5 who can stretch out and pass as good as anyone, Blazers with Dame, CJ and Gary Trent as 3 hot shooting guards that can attack well and Heat when Bam was playing and even Olynyk and Meyers Leonard stretching out. Watch the defense side to it and how to counter it.
@mtlev98863 жыл бұрын
The triangle also started at the college level. Tex Winter created it at Kansas State and took it to the Bulls and Lakers as Phil Jackson's assistant.
@user-lt8wf1js6n3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video!5 out is really very effectively with 3 seconds on def rule! I'm balling in europe ,so we like 4-1 to have a dish on dunk/blind cuts
@GregBennett3 жыл бұрын
I like the way you do the labeling of the action on the court. It makes it a lot easier to understand what is happening. A step up from just the usual circles and highlights typically done in these types of videos.
@tradtrad10003 жыл бұрын
It's so overpowered that you can't even use it on 2K
@buttnuts25992 жыл бұрын
Wait is that why the AI always walks into the deep two when they have an open three?
@TheMissinLink2 жыл бұрын
use nuggets freelance
@tradtrad10002 жыл бұрын
@@TheMissinLink Bucks is better, it's a true 5 out. But it's annoying to have to do it every game if you want it
@pchurch49733 жыл бұрын
Absolutely loved the video. Hopefully you can go further into what Juwan Howard is doing at Michigan that has resulted in such dominating results so far in a future video.
@speedracer553 жыл бұрын
Michigan has been running 5-out sets for a while under John Beilein, from what I can tell Howard has put in a lot of pick-and-roll action to go with all the backdoor cutting and outside shooting
@gturcott1 Жыл бұрын
Phil Martelli is the guru behind the Michigan offense. Former St Joes head coach and kudos to Howard for getting great help
@192419973 жыл бұрын
Excellent content.Keep up the good work !Interestingly,Virginia in their recent match-up against the notre dame ,did not run almost any mover-blocker offense but instead chose 5-out with huff leading the way...Opposite the 5-out, Virginia Tech is a joy to watch as they put the ball on the post in almost every possession an try to find solutions through that..!
@guppy7193 жыл бұрын
College has more variation simply from the fact that kids have a lot of deficiencies in their game and so by playing different systems you can take advantage of different kinds of players.
@thehylianloach94733 жыл бұрын
I never really noticed how close basketball is to chess
@bobbywilson54293 жыл бұрын
I like the 4 out with a dunker better than 5 out. But like you said, personnel will dictate the strategy.
@jmgonzales7701 Жыл бұрын
where will the 1 position itself? is it possible to have a 5 out while not being out the 3?
@gturcott1 Жыл бұрын
I love this guy! He really is a hoops junkie and knows his stuff
@ProphetGnosis4 ай бұрын
Calipari used the zoom a lot this season and they scored at will . Most zooming up to space for three. Rarely did they utilize the cut
@francisnycvideos3 жыл бұрын
The Warriors absolutely love running the stagger away
@c0smicwaverider3 жыл бұрын
Good video... These strategies will keep evolving as the rules keep changing in the NBA. Bring back the hand check rule and bring in the rule that a shooter cannot move into the way of a downward falling defender (e.g. the way Harden jumps into a defender who is on the downward movement). You'll see the 5-out scheme change again.
@c0smicwaverider3 жыл бұрын
@@acer7217 a lot of fan debate about hand checking. I was kid back then so didn't really notice it. Any clear reason it was taken out
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
@@acer7217 handchecking is banned since magic Johnson rookie season 😂😂
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
@@c0smicwaverider it takes offensive player effort difficult game slow and backing down and running into people for help Overall just slowing the game and reducing earning of nba
@ProphetGnosis4 ай бұрын
I only mention them because you was talking about blue bloods being behind. For me 5 out is for a smaller team.
@miamisafe3 жыл бұрын
This is literally Suns (5-out hybrid with DA) Vs. Bucks (crash offensive boards and draw fouls) finals
@ProphetGnosis4 ай бұрын
Yeah this is old school offense actually. Adolf Rupp used it in the 50s with all his undersized teams. Made it to. Natl game and lost to UTEP. Formerly known as as Texas western who was the much bigger team. They gave UK big trouble from the start. Once they began running the 5 out they scored at will and came back to almost win.
@SoloPerICommenti3 жыл бұрын
Yugo NT circa 1990... that's how they used to play
@generalkayoss73473 жыл бұрын
With this style of play you'll never see another power center.
@taehughestv39283 жыл бұрын
Agree Centers wont be extinct just more skilled instead of back to the basket all the time a pop out to shoot ocasionally
@brodyclere73173 жыл бұрын
Maybe you’ll see another power center that also has perimeter skills. Nobody should be limited to just the paint or just the perimeter. Basketball is evolving just like anything else.
@julianorozco52013 жыл бұрын
its just time until you have weak centers and a new shaq or hakeems appears nd its just gonna eat the whole nba
@profd653 жыл бұрын
@@generalkayoss7347 Offensive players drive into the paint virtually unopposed because they pick their opportunities; they don't drive regardless of what the defense is doing. Obviously you don't drive towards the basket if Shaq is parked in the paint looking right at you; you drive when he's caught out of position. This offense assumes that you have big men that can shoot the three; Shaq will have to leave the key to guard these guys, and when he does that then you can drive.
@brodyclere73173 жыл бұрын
@@generalkayoss7347 Shaq would still dominate today obviously. A modern big man with a perimeter game would still be effective against Shaq. They wouldn’t be able to guard each other.
@thescatman50292 жыл бұрын
Any system is only effective as its players. A Miami Heat going to the Finals using five out, is one thing. But if you don't have a Bam Adebayo and Dragic helping a Jimmy Butler, the Heat are a no match for Lebron and AD! You referenced Princeton. I saw Princeton, in the late 90s, run this, with shooting big man, Chris Young.
@lucasborja37973 жыл бұрын
Great content!
@und3rcut5352 жыл бұрын
this offense comes from european style basketball greg popovich and erik spoelstra are big fans of euopean offenses and also utah jazz coaching staff like it too
@CruceEntertainment3 жыл бұрын
Isn’t offensive rebounding minimized?
@savethetrees12143 жыл бұрын
Dallas often has the man in the corner run in for a rebound but nba teams often value transition defence over the uncommon offensive rebound
@JayzsMr3 жыл бұрын
Offensive rebounds are overvalued. Especially with modern 3pt shooting . It's often just luck where the ball drops after a distance shot
@GhostD0G82 жыл бұрын
@@JayzsMr I wouldn’t say luck because good rebounders can read shots. But I will agree that modern three point shooting has taken its effect on rebounding. Before it was just select and elite shooters shooting threes now everyone is. Now add average and subpar shooters into the mix and this results in more long rebounds, more air balls and more variables as to where the ball will land. Offensive rebounding will never be overvalued. I get the that transition defense is the more likely and a team should prepare for it but offensive rebounds are gold. Analytics can’t measure/define everything.
@YoLoBrOtHeR2 жыл бұрын
No cause you crash the boards with speed which is better then standing still if your a short team.
@gturcott1 Жыл бұрын
It’s obselete
@myfitsrtrash3 жыл бұрын
Love the videos man
@hferrell3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting on this!
@porterwake3898 Жыл бұрын
5 out has been big since 2010. Pre 10 it was swing/flex/motion for dang near 30 years.
@stevesharik3313 жыл бұрын
Need a shout out to John Beilein for the innovation.
@staidenofanarchy3 жыл бұрын
I dunno man, I just miss stuff that isn't a three pointer or a layup. In college it's better cause with enough teams you force some variation, but in the NBA the athletes are so good and so fast that you almost don't need to run sets. It's just gotten so damn boring, running your entire offense above the three point line just waiting for an open 3 or a clean dive to the rim, that's what most of this amounts to.
@guppy7193 жыл бұрын
The NBA also has landing space which makes 3 point defense harder and makes 3 pointers more efficient because of trips to the foul line. Conversely illegal defense is why shooting 3s didn't catch on as fast.
@ivorysteele3 жыл бұрын
Facts
@chubbedup72893 жыл бұрын
in australia 5 out is basically all we play
@namenknappheit3 жыл бұрын
Interesting, I played Handball in my youth and the games are becoming more and more simliar tacticwise. Maybe the nba shoul adapt some ideas there. Would be an interesting experience.
@jmgonzales7701 Жыл бұрын
people play handball?
@namenknappheit Жыл бұрын
@@jmgonzales7701 Its like a mixture out of basketball and soccer but you dont call foul every second. Basketball is kind of soft if you ask me.
@jmgonzales7701 Жыл бұрын
@@namenknappheit well in modern rules yeah its kinda soft, but i doubt the 90s and 2000s rules will be soft even by handball standards.
@namenknappheit Жыл бұрын
@@jmgonzales7701 still soft. Just watch a Video. It is a different sport where contact is part of the game.
@jmgonzales7701 Жыл бұрын
@@namenknappheit have seen it, not impressed tbh.
@WarrenJr19963 жыл бұрын
Miss the mid range shot..miss when players created their shots and had different styles of play
@brodyclere73173 жыл бұрын
A tough mid range jumper is worth the same as a layup. Doesn’t make sense to shoot a lot of mid range jumpers unless it’s a late shot clock situation and it’s the best look you can get.
@WarrenJr19963 жыл бұрын
@@brodyclere7317 but you don’t understand playoff basketball when players start playing real defense. A mid range shot can do wonders for your team. A player that can shoot from anywhere on the court is always going to be valuable in the playoffs. Creating a system is good but also let your players create outside your system so that if all fails they know how to get a bucket on their own. Most these players look lost when the system is broken down.
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
@@WarrenJr1996 players do play midrange but for role players it makes sense to shoot more threes and space out for isolation.Else you see Jordan taking tough jumpers when you have a center ,guards and Pippen all waiting for midrange shots 😂
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
Nba team investment in player should be good for them too. If you are average at it and other actions give more results why a post up or mid range.
@pwnedd112 жыл бұрын
Amazing video!
@Slame3333 жыл бұрын
Great video. Think I just found a new channel to sink my teeth into.
@jakeschneps21533 жыл бұрын
these vids are fire! So much better for people who are bigger then your average bball fan like myself! THIS IS WHY UNC'S OFFENSE WILL NEVER BE ELITE. NO SPACING! My heels will win a lot of games because of our physically imposing bigs. But teams that can fully utilize 5 out ( IOWA) we wont be able to beat!
@jacobringenwald3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of the air raid in college football
@dpiddy0223 жыл бұрын
we've got a chicken/egg situation here because they call that "basketball on grass"
@theotherview17163 жыл бұрын
I ran five out motion when I played college ball in 90s for a small school. However we had much more motion. Today’s NBA is five out with a high screen roll at the top and very little movement. It’s obviously highly efficient but just being honest, quite boring
@JayzsMr3 жыл бұрын
Yes NBA teams are often just lazy and serve their stars . No real Coaches who control their team and just let the ball dominant guard have the ball and run high pick and roll . I hope one team comes along like the Warriors and run 5 out motion and kills these high pick and roll teams
@romelimmense Жыл бұрын
The Philippine Team uses this offense. This offense has been controversial because people hated the coach for doing this.
@ryanmckenziegilbert49503 жыл бұрын
Can you send this to Coach Cal at Kentucky please.
@johnmarc19863 жыл бұрын
Time to get rid of the 3 point line.
@WarrenJr19963 жыл бұрын
Seriously there is such lack of creativity in the nba now
@camdencapps68943 жыл бұрын
I personally hate the rockets style 5-out, I can’t argue with the stats but I love passing and movement is basketball at its best
@DavidJCO3 жыл бұрын
5-out does not mean that there is no passing and players cutting. The problem with the Rockets is that they used 5-out in order to let James Harden play iso ball. They wanted to leave space in the paint for Harden to attack if he wanted, but they did not seem to have anything more complex than that. Harden without the ball just turned off his engine, that is why they weren't more successful. 5-out can have a lot of passing and movement - I think the Mavericks with Luka Dončić are an example of that.
@JayzsMr3 жыл бұрын
@@DavidJCO Mavs offense is basically like the Rockets offense but high pick and roll instead of iso . Not a good example for movement and cuts
@samuelhuff4489 Жыл бұрын
Not really New i coach for 13 years in Europe 11 of them with 5 out and Triangle offense
@zaim64632 жыл бұрын
are we not gonna talk about how the dude caught a body at 6:39
@noahmiller94603 жыл бұрын
Can you do a video on the creighton offense?
@bigchunguscultmember12673 жыл бұрын
Make a video on Grinnell College! Gc’20
@ddennis24303 жыл бұрын
I like 5 out but I'll be damned if everyone stands around and doesn't crash the boards
@furiousblade9512 жыл бұрын
It’s funny that WV is running 5 out now😂
@dwaigntyndal3 жыл бұрын
And the Mavs how many ships with this offense
@LazlosPlane3 жыл бұрын
To me, it's the old fashioned "back door" play -- and bad defense.
@BuzzworthyBand2 жыл бұрын
FRED!!!!
@Gravijahz3 жыл бұрын
The NCAA 3 point line is closer to the basket than the NBA one, so that's another reason you'll always see more threes in college.
@jomardbenemile34643 жыл бұрын
btw Pete Nance is Larry Nance jr’s brother
@poisonpotato12 жыл бұрын
Isn't that the 4 corners
@psarokefalos3 жыл бұрын
Good Morning my friend. It is very good that you discover he 5-out offense but you are late about 10 years or maybe more. Try to find out the Read & React offense by Coach Rick Torbet on Better Basketball site: vault.betterbasketball.com/systems/....Beter late than ever...Good Morning again...
@dnice20003 жыл бұрын
Sorry coach Carlisle, no offense is extinct..... everything makes a comeback in some form or fashion
@moganfreeman60363 жыл бұрын
Don’t most teams run this cos they got no tall players?
@playbackproductions13 жыл бұрын
Xi Jinping approves of this offense
@Rohan_Mehta3 жыл бұрын
Of course ur subbed to outkick 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
@playbackproductions13 жыл бұрын
@@Rohan_Mehta you're lucky it's your month to celebrate, or I'd learn you up some stuff.
@playbackproductions13 жыл бұрын
@@Rohan_Mehta Thomas Sowell too, dawg. ✌
@nickinportland2 жыл бұрын
Did anyone else casually watch basketball and not know any of this was going on.
@stevenvargas33043 жыл бұрын
I've been doing this in 2k since I cam remember lol
@antoniorenteria67993 жыл бұрын
It was always 5 out on the third grade hoops
@PLF...3 жыл бұрын
When you remove centers from the game, no shit you need to play different. Tragic, but probably necessary.
@conanbdetective3 жыл бұрын
5 out? Or in simpler terms, Rec basketball
@WallTrapMedia3 жыл бұрын
Nobody has one a ring primarily playing this way though! 😂😂😂😂
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
Cause no one played like this 😂😂 before warriors and had all things firing 😂😂
@samarthbhatnagar3473 жыл бұрын
Suns were similar
@jeremiahmueller35602 жыл бұрын
Disciplined zone kills 5 out.
@Coach_Love2 жыл бұрын
But what team has won with a 5 out offense? Its not effective in a 7 game series. Check out my sports page
@cliffwoodbury53193 жыл бұрын
DAMN HE TRIED PHIL. "THE TRAINGLE IS EXTINCT." THE ZEN MASTER SHOULD REMAKE THE TRIANGLE JUST OFF THIS COMMENT AND COME BACK WITH AVENGANGENCE
@3N2sw3 жыл бұрын
Next Evolution: 5 out at half court
@douglasbath9763 жыл бұрын
3 pt shot should only be worth 2.5 points
@staidenofanarchy3 жыл бұрын
I would back the three point line up to 3 feet and get rid of the corner three. That would open up everything.
@YoLoBrOtHeR2 жыл бұрын
Shut up. Just cause you can’t shoot doesn’t mean we should change.
@shorewall Жыл бұрын
@@staidenofanarchy Yeah, I don't want half points, but I'm ok with moving the line back.
@raywhichway17903 жыл бұрын
Will be the death of Basketball
@msp51383 жыл бұрын
Thanks for explaining why I no longer watch college basketball or the NBA.
@JayzsMr3 жыл бұрын
You rather watch some butter fingers big man dribble slowly in the post for 20 seconds of the shot clock
@PoliticusRex6323 жыл бұрын
This will all be destroyed if a 22 year old Jabbar comes into the league.
@basshunter76312 ай бұрын
The 5 out has made today’s players soft !!!!! It’s a junk offense and I will take 2 post. Every time !!!!
@justoneofmany3 жыл бұрын
lol. Someone is playing 2K
@cmayy8317 Жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ is love ❤😊
@ghstrdio3 жыл бұрын
Analytics might just kill off the fun of the sport someday
@JayzsMr3 жыл бұрын
Playing 5 out is way more fun
@DanoFSmith-yc9tg3 жыл бұрын
Literally every team does the exact same thing, basketball is so boring these days.
@whydontiknowthat3 жыл бұрын
Northern Iowa’s basketball program should be disbanded
@heirrose16062 жыл бұрын
aka The Most BORING Basketball Generation.
@Ayo222103 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Get the fuck out of the paint it’s dead