Hornby R316 Class 47: Repair Request

[@fragmentedmind1]

A sponge as a train stand excellent idea!

[@fossil9559]

Another great film and repair, I may be a bit odd, but I never get bored of seeing you strip down and clean a ringfield motor . Keep up the great work Bill 👍

[@astolatpere11]

Nice repair! Really look forward to your films. Thanks from n california.

[@russellbenton2987]

Nice one . Just a bit about the model . She was a special edition which came out in 1981 to celebrate Lady Di marrying Prince Charles (whatamistakatomaka). The Scottish region painted two of their 12 47/7s in large logo livery, which was then a novelty for use on the Edinburgh/Glasgow mk3 push pulls one was Greyfriars Bobby and the other Lady Di . I got the model as soon as it came out , from memory £19.95 same price as the Hornby 86 that came out at same time . The model is spoiled by these two moulding lines that run entire length of body . They were done like that to make painting two tone green livery more easy but looked silly on the plain blue versions . Hornby did eventually tidy that up , but not for years later . The model never appeared in a catalogue but the following year the large logo 47 appeared as County of Norfolk in the main range . I occasionally have issues with these 47s leaning to one sided. 25s can have the same problem I think . Must investigate . Come to think of it it could be me leaning to one side - too much wine perhaps ?

[@stevecatlow8339]

Interesting also that this doesnt seem to have directional lighting. I have three of these and all of them have the lighting. The earliest being the one with a complete mess of wiring, works but is like spaghetti. Thanks for the vid Bill. Can not beat a good skoosh

[@russellbenton2987]

@@stevecatlow8339 I think it was cost cutting Steve. The previous three had directional lighting . I suppose a factor could have been the switch to domino headcodes instead of an actual head code

[@stevecatlow8339]

@@russellbenton2987 Think you are right. Its a shame they didnt remove the raised lines down the body moulding too as someone else has mentioned

[@mikeking2539]

Another great fix, You've got it running as good as new. I think my (sadly late) friend Stephen got me this model for my birthday, and when it was his birthday (or just after) I got himm the new Mainline class 03 shunter, from a model railway shop in Doncaster. We used to go to Doncaster and York in the school holidays, train spotting, and also visit the NRM in York. Always enjoy your videos.

[@graymodeler]

I bought a used class 50 and found that the segments on the motor were worn through. I cut out new segments from brass and soldered them on top of the worn ones. I cut down some Lionel brushes and it all worked fine. Parts are harder to come by here in the US.

[@robinforrest7680]

Loved the large logo locomotives in the late 70’s and early 80’s. They meant we could even continue « spotting » during French and English classes from our classroom at Bishop Walsh comprehensive. We had a great view of the Walsall-Water Orton branch which ran past our school 😉.

[@IronHorseRailways]

Good effort bill, Had some locos in for repair for a customer myself recently. He got them cheap and all ran like crap ..the amount of oil in then was DISGUSTING 😢 but got there in the end thankfully! Keep up the good work👍

[@donsharpe5786]

I love the Calley 0-6-0. I won't show the video to my wife, she would be addicted to your accent. It reminds me of a friend of mine and I could listen to t all day.

[@pierslindley]

That's a lovely smooth and quiet Ringfield motor their. A very nice locomotive.

[@kennethmcintyre2847]

Another great achievement. Another loco not heading to the scrap merchant.

[@lexifillems]

Now, that tooth pick thing... why did I never think of that? 😉 Cheers!

[@oobill]

I just had them to hand. But you could use all sorts of things. Guitar picks, spatulas, lollipop sticks, bits of old credit card, doesn't matter as long as it holds the clips open and doesn't damage anything.

[@44662dc]

Absolutely brilliant Bill it runs as if it was new out of the box. Well done that man

[@therailfan8947]

I love your videos, Bill! Great work on he repair!

[@111greatbear3]

I've stopped using the Hornby rolling road and now using a 9v battery plus a bit of track

[@oobill]

It's all you need to be honest. There have been a couple of instances when one would have been useful for me but for what they cost I'm loathe to get one. They are not essential and on a work bench I would much rather have a powered section of track for testing.

[@111greatbear3]

@@oobill I definitely agree

[@111greatbear3]

@@oobill I have to ask though is it normal for a Ringfield motor to smoke when fitted with new springs and brushes

[@michaeldavies9600]

Hey Bill that's a nice looking model i have been looking at one of those but a Lima version.There are some really nice older models about it makes you wonder what they were thinking when they designed the ugly class 66 !

[@MrJayb988]

A handy tip for you I find glue spreaders are good for when you want to separate body’s from the frames I’ve found it to be easier as you can slide them into place once you’ve got one in each side you can pop another in next to it and slide it across between the frame and the body to get under each clip and they can be picked up cheap on eBay.

[@dfishpool7052]

Cheers Bill; thanks for another entertaining and informative video. Might I be so bold to suggest that to get non runners into the engine shed you use one of your shunters - better than the hand power!

[@zodiac8892]

Lovely job Bill, very informative video. Thank you.

[@mikeking2539]

Bill always seems to do a super job on fixing trains, Always look forward to his videos!

[@trainingday391]

Nice repair and as you say it just needs a good run now. I wonder if it was put back together incorrectly at the last service? For example, wheels the wrong way around on the trailing bogie and frames inadvertantly swapped around. If I was keeping it I would have added some weight to aid traction, help with stabilty and improve electrical contact.

[@donniblanco5239]

Bootiful - Smooth runner , gr8 fix on the bogie frames - I have one with a similar problem and I’m lookin forward to getting it fixed 👍🏻✨🏆

[@modelrailroader5619]

Loose bogie frames and wonky body aside, did you ascertain why it was “dead” when it arrived? I think I missed that part. Bad pickup somewhere?🤔 I’m in trouble at home, bingeing all your videos.😂 love ‘em! Cheers,👍🇨🇦

[@oobill]

Just too dry. A very dry ringfield with slightly loose gears like this one can just lock up. A clean and some lubrication is all that's needed.

[@robjohnstonloftlayout9207]

Great video, just found you by chance, I can picture non Scottish people desperately flicking through dictionary looking for scoosh 🤣🤣🤣 kind regards Rob

[@robertmarsh3588]

I remember when this model came out but never ended up owning a 47 despite having lots of locos, including the Hornby 25, 37, and later the 52 (Western) models with ringfield motors. I still don't own one. Shame that this version still had the lines on the bodywork from the green version and no directional lights though. Hornby models at this time seemed to run so smoothly compared to their older x03/04 powered locos such as the Class 31 and 35 (Hymek) I'd owned. Yet, I'm not sure whether the earlier motors haven't proved more robust? Loved your video as ever, and has kicked off me restarting collecting in anticipation of taking up the hobby again more seriously when I retire in a few years.

[@nicholasbishop3300]

Nice work Bill

[@citizenmilitia1]

Your repair videos are always great. Do you have a list somewhere of what products (oils and cleaners) you use?

[@marksinthehouse1968]

I think she was based at Haymarket on the Glasgow to Edinburgh push pull I have one mint in box a 1981 Wedding special edition for Diana and him

[@timgray2454]

Bill that is a very smart looking locomotive. Glad you were able to sort those bogie frames out. Shame you have decided not run your old blue DMU any more I have just lubricated the gears on mine, still noisy but I like em, I have a blue 4 car set a green 3 car set and an green 2 car set.

[@User-3O3]

You are a legend, and I love you.

[@roberthocking9138]

Great. Vid as usual Bill, but your voice sounded like the microphone had a sock over it.?

[@lewiscartwright3609]

Hi I have a Lima Class 47 in BR Blue and it runs when It wants to run and but it originally had two traction tyres but I took one off and I have named Her "Hurricane" and I have Etched Battle of Britain class Nameplates and I have Temporarily blue tacked them on but for now I have kept them off as it was in Semi retirement for about a year and she ran for a little bit but mostly sat in my siding and Now she is Operating on my Layout and she's due to be Coupled up to 46100 Royal Scot who is due to arrive next weekend and I'm going to do a photoshoot with 46100 and 47 105. Cheers.Lewis.

[@beeble2003]

Don't 47s look great in large logo blue? 37s, too.

[@whitewallwheels1hardcore.m_o_h]

as the wheel base fits either way you never said what was the right and wrong way to refit them as the tyres on the wrong side it wont work

[@michelegianni389]

Great and informative video, as usual. A suggestion to open locos with ease: use guitar plectrums; you can find sets with multiple sizes and thickness.

[@joshwilliams0391]

I think the difficulty getting slow starts might be due to the magnet becoming weaker after all these years but I’m not sure on that.

[@oobill]

Could be.I don't like removing old ringfield magnets as they are prone to break easily so I've never tried remagging one. However, I've noticed on poor slow starter ringfields that the gears are quite loose. I think it may be slight lock up until enough power is there to move them. Once they get going they will run slowly fine.

[@joshwilliams0391]

@@oobill I don’t like removing them either. Also I don’t have a re-magnetiser and I’m not sure you can get spares. That said I tried my near-identical Class 47 (‘Robin Hood’ in BR small logo livery) after watching your video and it was better than I remembered at pulling off. That’s an interesting thought about the gears as well, it seems plausible.

[@ashlybrown5341]

Needs a little shunter to push um in the shed lol

[@martinmargerrison2300]

Just leave it as it is and send some English Electric locomotive(s) to rescue it. Forward DIT.

[@martinmargerrison2300]

Keep on rockin' .

[@whitewallwheels1hardcore.m_o_h]

another question how do you tell if its a 3 pole motor or the fasster 5 pole motor

[@oobill]

Count the poles on the armature. A 5 pole motor isn't faster just more efficient and will operate a little more smoothly especially at low speeds in theory.