Hornby Steam Generator LNER 'Flying Scotsman' R3991SS OO Gauge FULL Review & Model Railway Run| ml44

[@AllensTrains]

This loco looks like a lot of fun. I have got the Railroad TTS Scotsman, and I am not sure I should have two Scotmen! But looking at your collection, 2 Scotsmen do not appear to be such an extravagance! I have the Live Steam Mallard and I am bound to say this loco produces as much steam. Producing steam in a small wattage heater is much less dangerous than the live steam model which gets very hot!. The only wrong thing is that the steam would be vented from the safety valves when the loco was active and ready to move. The live steam loco scores higher in that it only vents steam from the chimney when the loco is running. This is a helpful and well-produced video. Thanks for taking the trouble to make it.

[@modeloco]

@@AllensTrains Good to hear from you and thank you 🙏My TTS Railroad model wasn’t running too well the other day, otherwise it may have featured in the run part of the video. May need a clean and lube. Regarding valve steam, the TRS version would give that as well, if it’s worth you making the obvious investment? What Hornby have achieved here is remarkable at the price compared. My inner jury is out over the water vapours being let loose in those very intricate areas and near the track. I know this isn’t actual steam but, still it is vapour? Your thoughts would be of interest on this 👍💦

[@AllensTrains]

@@modeloco How a steam engine works is that water is heated to a very high temperature so that the water disassociates into hydrogen and oxygen. This explosive mixture is then discharged into the cylinders where it condenses and forms a vacuum which drives the train. The exhaust is released as steam. In the Hornby model the water is heated to a temperature above which it would boil, but not hot enough to disassociate it into hydrogen and oxygen. So what is released as exhaust is just steam. I have found that steam being released around the layout is not a problem. In your case the layout is in a large well-ventilated area, and the amount of water is minuscule in relation to it!

[@modeloco]

@@AllensTrains Thank you although the Hornby design runs cold 👍

[@davidwest6962]

The Flying Scotsman was never an A2 or an A4! In 1923 it was an built as an A1. Many of the A1s were rebuilt as A3s from 1928. Flying Scotsman was rebuilt in 1946. There's minimal visual differences between the A1 and A3. Review is good and interesting bar these historical inaccuracies.

[@modeloco]

Hi David, Thank you for your input. I don’t say Flying Scotsman was an A2 anywhere, I’m sure, and just checked but, if I do let me know where, you may have just been stating this not saying I said it but, comes across like that. Scotsman had a brief period as an A1O around 1943 and in 1978 McAlpine fitted it with a spare A4 boiler? It will be good to hear your thoughts on this. Regards and 👍, Andy

[@davidwest6962]

Early on 2 min 30 you refer to FS as an A2. Possibly in error on second time I listened to it. FS carried an A4 boiler in preservation. Dia 107. As you say but this never made it an A4. Other A3s in-service also carried A4 boilers, but this never made them A4s. Boiler swaps were common on A3s. There were different types. Dia 94HP with a round topped dome and 94A with banjo dome. 107 was visually similar to 94A but the wash out plugs on the boiler near the short handrail near the cab are diagonal instead of horizontal. It's a fascinating minefield. Additionally A4 boilers were rated at 250 reduced to 225 when mated with an A3. Hope this helps. Really appreciated the video. I've 14 A3s trying to justify one with sound and smoke with the household treasurer. But your video had helped

[@modeloco]

@@davidwest6962 I’ve now amended and thanked you regarding my slip of the tongue. Great information by the way and I’ve now fixed my intermittent smoke. Video out in about an hour I hope 🤞

[@davidwest6962]

Glad I could help... I look forward to the next video

[@modeloco]

@@davidwest6962 Out now 👍

[@SonnysRailway28]

It's an amazing model. Mine works really well top just having an issue with water coming out of the smoke box onto the buffer beam at random times. Have you had any issues with this if so did you find a fix ? Great video cheers!

[@modeloco]

Hello, Thank you and Yes I had the same issue of excess water seemingly appearing from nowhere on the buffer beam too at odd times. This went away after altering the CV211 setting, down from 65 to 60 on the HM|DCC app. Interesting that you’ve had no bridging issues though so maybe, you could try 62 or 63 and see how you go. The one that worked for me was 60 though. How to’s and the different increments with two CV’s I tried within this video. In the end altering just CV211 was all that was required for bridging and pooling. Hope that cures it for you👍🙏

[@FlyingScott]

Would you say there's a lot of condensation as the loco is steaming? I have a snow setting and would hate for some of the snow to wash away due to the water over time. Nice and thorough look at the loco, interesting that the vapour could condense quick enough for that surface tension problem to arise... Also, you wouldn't happen to know if this model comes with the power bank pre-fitted, would you?

[@modeloco]

@@FlyingScott Hello, I’d say as it’s cool running too, that the water vapours released hasn’t been an issue at all. There is no Power Bank but, have found no reason to fit one. The issue was flooding and not a condensing issue. Have done a quick CV fix video following this. Hope that helps👍

[@carllawton9520]

Thanks great video

[@modeloco]

Carl that is accepted with gratitude, love, hugs & thanks! 😍

[@rambledogs2012]

Water on the buffer beam means it's been overfilled. I'm only aware of this as when I was a kid in the 80's I had a steam train that used oil and of course I overfilled it thinking it would create more smoke and it used to do the same thing. Try running it with a tad less water than they suggest. Damn I miss that train.

[@modeloco]

@@rambledogs2012 Since updating the CV it’s been fine. I think the bridging issue caused it to flood as I did a ml less than suggested but, yes certainly if it happens again then all good. Have you got one of these new ones yet?

[@rambledogs2012]

Awesome, glad you have sorted it. It can look as though we have knackered the loco when it doesn't work as it should, hey? I'm only just deciding to get back into building a layout and I'm torn between gauges due to space. I really want to go back to my childhood and get a steamer with smoke but it seems as though it's available for OO rather than TT or N gauge. I have been watching your videos for ideas though and ready to push the button on a buy for N gauge but.......Ha, the most important decision I currently have as I hit 50. Deciding on a gauge. Thanks for replying.

[@modeloco]

@@rambledogs2012 I’d strongly advise if you love steam and real smoke as I do, to go OO. I have both scales and yes, a good sized loft area, so do appreciate space can be an issue yet I’m being drawn back from TT now toward OO. If you’re getting any age related vision issues, like myself, then n scale is a no go. It just hasn’t got the feel but, that’s my opinion of course. I love TT as it has all the latest tech in these but, the cool steam is wonderful in OO along with being able to really appreciate the locomotives and rolling stock. Don’t rush in whatever and all the best 👍

[@rambledogs2012]

@@modeloco Well N gauge was my first go to due to space but yes, as I hit level 50, the eyes are indeed heading south a tad so OO might be the way forward. 8 x 4ft is the max I can go but if I want that steam then I guess OO it has to be. Cheers

[@martinpattison1567]

A very nice loco with the sound and smoke effect, but sadly for me i donot have DCC only DC and it is carrying the wrong colour Green and the wrong NUMBER 4472 is the only Flying Scotsman I know and love. My channel has just started it is called Yorkdale LNER Preservation Railway. Martin. (Thailand)🌧🌧🌧🌧

[@modeloco]

@@martinpattison1567 Hi Martin, I hear you. Apple green 4472 is my fave too and why on earth it has been given the BR Green livery today, I don’t know but, hey ho. You’re in Thailand is that correct ? Andy.

[@martinpattison1567]

@@modeloco I live in Sakon Nakhon, Northeast Thailand. Martin. (Thailand)

[@modeloco]

@@martinpattison1567 Superb that Flying Scotsman still travels the Earth. This model doesn’t have the double Kylchap exhaust which then needs the side fenders to stop smoke blow back and hides the character of this iconic engine but, even with this coat and blinkers, the power and draw of this locomotive is as great as ever. The Brunswick green doesn’t look as dark as it does in real life and of course we get the boiler bands painted very nicely too, to break that up on this model and missing today to my amazement but, hey ho. I’d say, The NRM have to be now instructed to restore the single exhaust, remove the smoke deflectors, bring back Apple green and 4472 asap as Peglar did or at least add the boiler bands and single exhaust for now. As to why this was not done when restoration was undertaken remains a complete and utter mystery to me? To understand that the NRM turned down the pleas to save Flying Scotsman in the sixties another but, glad Peglar stepped in. Could you ever imagine this being done to The Mallard. 🙏

[@richardgray6606]

Great review, can it be ran on just a normal DCC controller and not the HM7000? Thanks

[@modeloco]

@@richardgray6606 Hello and gratitude back for getting in touch. Yes, it can be if you have a Hornby Legacy Dongle plugged into an xpressnet DCC controller (not Loconet though). It needs to be an xpressnet one like the Hornby Elite or Select. I’ve done two videos on this if you’re still unsure 🙏 This way you can run using app and controller simultaneously. The other way is to register the Bluetooth decoder fitted locomotive and set it all up on and through the app then put it over into DCC control mode, within the app and run it using any standard DCC controller with the same chosen address allocated, beforehand, in the HMDCC app 👍 PS Just make sure that the gadget, power supply or DCC controller you use isn’t one that Hornby may state isn’t recommended. So just check their compatibility notes on their website too.

[@richardgray6606]

@modeloco thank you, that's really helpful, at least now I have a couple of options with what to do!

[@stephenbromley2302]

Looking forward to getting mine today looks great a couple of extra bungs would of been handy in the detail pack I can see that piece easily been lost

[@modeloco]

Thanks Stephen. Would you let me know asap if yours has the same issue with the intermittent smoke but, as stated. It’s superb when it works as it should 🙏

[@stephenbromley2302]

Will do was watching Dusty shelf collectibles his has same problem although a few others I’ve watched either didn’t say or didn’t have this problem

[@modeloco]

@@stephenbromley2302 🏭See my update in description in case you need it!

[@andrewcalladine2507]

@@modeloco I noticed mine had that, I presume this should improve with running in perhaps?

[@andrewcalladine2507]

I can see people producing 3D printed bungs on eBay if Hornby won't do them as spares!

[@girmt007]

Hi Andy, Love your reviews and videos. Like you, I have received my Flying Scotsman with steam. I have tested it on my Rolling Road and all functioned well out of the box. The one thing that did happen regularly is that the steam stopped during a run. I noticed that there water vapour condensed at the top of the chimney and created a water film blocking the steam. The only way to clear it was using a tissue to absorb the water and the steam continued. Have you had this issue or any other of your viewers? The Prince of Wales P2 does not have the same issue as the chimney is elliptical and the water film is unable to form. Cheers

[@modeloco]

Thank You 🙏 Yes I’ve had exactly the same issue hence including it in the video, you may have missed it but, it’s there under the Steaming Up chapter. There are a few things to try included under my video in the description which I’m trying now 👍

[@girmt007]

Thanks for the update and have watched your fix video, which is very clear and helpful.

[@modeloco]

@@girmt007 Thank You 🙏 I did several full layout runs without issue so, it seems sorted now. What a super model it is 👍

[@grah84mck]

Waiting on mines coming. Can't wait are thr bagpipes sounds a standard sound function?

[@modeloco]

Sure are yes 👍

[@PhilCrompton]

Can I ask your advice. I’m tempted to buy this model before the prices rise in Sep and I think using the Hornby points I have that I could get about 20% off. The only thing stopping me is that personally i’d rather have the model in Apple Green. They will obviously reissue the model over the next 12 months in other liveries. What do you think the chances are of them reissuing FS again in another livery. I can’t help feel that’s probably pretty slim any time soon

[@modeloco]

@@PhilCrompton Like you, I love the Apple Green too and I’m sure FS will get the smoke generator fitted to more liveries in future but, obviously costs may well rise. Having this BR Brunswick Green Steam Gen’ and Two in Apple Green, one being a Dublo USA and the other a Railroad model, which isn’t running too well unfortunately at present, I do have to say the darker look is far better than I ever imagined. Decisions, decisions but, hope this helps👍

[@PhilCrompton]

@@modeloco Thanks so much, I think that has helped me decide to go for this model. I can’t personally see Hornby issuing another FS so soon after this one. We will probably get Royal Lancer or something similar first. I have the apple green Dublo model so I do have a nice one already. I think i’ll take a punt and get this one - thanks for this. After the Black 5 I wonder if they have anything other models planned with smoke generators?

[@modeloco]

@user-jz7gl6bl9z If you’re like me you’ll actually really like this model and it has some added livery banding that lacks on the actual Scotsman today. Did ask Hornby that if they ever release a USA double tender with smoke then I’ll be hard pressed not to buy another and though they didn’t say yes, it wasn’t an outright no either

[@PhilCrompton]

@@modeloco Well I would imagine they would never say never. That would be a lovely loco to see with smoke! I’m going to order my FS steam generator loco tonight. Can’t wait 😀

[@modeloco]

@@PhilCrompton Don’t loose your filler bung. You will get used to it though 👍

[@peterbradford5987]

I sent first one back as it did not work Hornby replaced it now after 1 week no steam at all. Hugely disappointed

[@modeloco]

@@peterbradford5987Mmm?

[@peterbradford5987]

@@modeloco it works fine apart from that. A good runner. Sound not bad for tender speaker. Just no steam.

[@peterbradford5987]

I will keep it and use it without steam.

[@modeloco]

@@peterbradford5987 Have you ruled out human error?

[@modeloco]

@@peterbradford5987 Not knowing your set up it’s hard to pinpoint the issue but, it can take up to 8mins for the atomisation to get going and trust you’ve enough water in there and using the HM|DCC app which won’t produce steam unless the sound is on ?

[@paulbarnard5636]

Great review Andy i hope to get mine next week looking forward to it running in the garden if all goes well be on KZbin

[@modeloco]

Definitely looking forward to that then Paul 👍 Can you get your vocal level up a bit but, guess you’re always so chilled with all that sun. Does it ever rain over there? Lol 😂

[@paulbarnard5636]

@@modeloco yes I can I forget to plug the microphone in try to remember it been a way for a week in Yorkshire is it gods only country

[@modeloco]

@@paulbarnard5636 I’m here in West Yorkshire but, it’s been sweet this week to us the weather

[@richardswiderski4985]

Great video Andy she does look good I am awaiting the Black 5 version wonder where that fill up point will be.!!

[@modeloco]

Hello Richard… it’s a superb runner. As the Black 5 has lights too, which look fantastic... Fill up point I’m saying will be the part between the chimney and dome, on boiler top, that some black 5’s have. Plus this will be a bigger part to get hold of too. PS Once you get used to the Scot bung it’s fine but, there’s that initial getting to know it, which is where most will let it ping off like a champagne cork, if not aware and less than a little bit careful 👍

[@andrewmeah3082]

Someone said there Flying scotsman had Sprung a leak where the bung goes in I think I'll hold fire in getting one incase anyone else has this issue also I think Hornby should supply a couple of spares in the detailing pack and also carry them as spares can see a few of these going missing apart from that looks a great loco and the layout is looking good 👍

[@richardswiderski4985]

@modeloco Cheers Andy mines not due out till Oct so might be sorted by then.🤣 They do look good with the smoke. Take care 👍

[@modeloco]

@@richardswiderski4985 Hopefully just a CV tweak or too 👍

[@modeloco]

@@andrewmeah3082 I’ll let you know how I get on but, I do love it. You do get used to the bung after initial reaction 🙏

[@MarkJT1000]

I wonder what would happen if you put bubble solution in instead 😁

[@modeloco]

Don’t add anything nooooo 😂

[@MarkJT1000]

@@modeloco Only kidding, but a Thomas the Tank engine that blew bubbles would be fun.

[@modeloco]

@@MarkJT1000 it’s amazing that some might try but, yeah a bubbling Thomas would get rather sticky after a good run 😂

[@sonarfreq]

Does the bung HAVE to be in?

[@modeloco]

Mmmm that’s one for Hornby really but, did try it and one time it was fine and on one trial smoke came out but, that might be when my minor issue arose. If you’ve seen my video in full my stack does get over supplied to which I’m trying a few things tomorrow. Hope that helps for now 👍

[@sonarfreq]

@@modeloco Hiya, I was just wondering as that little bung as you say is so fiddly and probably easily lost, especially if you have to keep pulling it out and putting it back in all the time to make the steam work! Would be much easier if you could just leave it out! Ok well let’s see how your other tests go then, and thanks very much again for posting this stuff… it is a nice loco certainly! 👍

[@modeloco]

@@sonarfreq I’ll hopefully be on it again in the afternoon as I’ve a few simple things to try. It’s my second steam model and I’m very happy with the magic of it all 🚂

[@sonarfreq]

@@modeloco Thanks Andy, it does look great when it’s working. I haven’t bought a steam model yet, I’m still in the stage of seeing how everyone else is getting on with theirs! So it’s good to know you’re happy with your two so far. 👍

[@peterbradford5987]

I used mine without a bung. Went fine.