Rolex loved the story because he got stuck into the lick! LOL
@OnceUponaTimeline10 ай бұрын
Haha yep, Rolex was like 'Take your time with that story Steve!' ;-P
@madeleinedonaldson44222 ай бұрын
God bless you both.You care for your horses so besutifully.A pleasure to watch❤
@Rlyneagle10 ай бұрын
Chevy seemed to know he was fooled. He gave you that look..... He's such a cutie.
@boessheila5010 ай бұрын
Oh Steve ur on Chevys pissed list🫢
@tammyspurdle920810 ай бұрын
Wow! What a nightmare time that was for you all. Praise God you are still with us Steve and I'm sure your story was meant for someone to hear today. Thanks ❤
@PinkDove5510 ай бұрын
This was the funniest video yet, watching the horses faces as they got their wormer! So in love with Steve, until he squirt the wormer in the mouth, then its all horrible! LOL so hilarious. Thanks for the wonderful video Steve & Tania! Love you guys! Glad you surviived your wormer accident too!
@abis64169 ай бұрын
The look on his face at 12:53. Bless him!! And the throwing his carrot around. Poor Chevy!
@ltilley734310 ай бұрын
Great job! I cleaned out a used wormer tube and use that for training with a little apple sauce in it. You get the look Chevy gave when they get the real thing though. The "hey, you tricked me!" look.
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
Good idea.
@louisejackson859510 ай бұрын
I put my horses wormer right in his food and he gobbles it up no problem. 😊. Your horses are beautiful.
@lisawhite988510 ай бұрын
So sorry you had to go through all of that. As an RN, I’m shocked they didn’t ask you exactly what your days leading up to that looked like. What had you been doing? Ingesting? Etc. Perhaps they did and you just didn’t remember or relay the water you drank. Some times people leave out the details that help to put the puzzle pieces together. So happy it all worked out!❤️
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
I am wondering if Tanya and Steve did tell them the events and routine over the week before turning yellow… helping with sleuthing out the cause and therefore the possible cures. Sometimes the medical people have been told but don’t click the connections quickly. My doctor did when I got double cellulitis of the ears.
@lisawhite988510 ай бұрын
@@louisegogel7973 Sorry to hear about your experience🥹 You might be correct about them giving the medical team all the information. My experience is that most people forget to provide the “little” details that end up actually being very important in connecting the dots😊
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
@@lisawhite9885 I learned a lot and my doctor was very astute so I only needed a weekend vacation i. the hospital with iv antibiotics… plus my homeopathic remedies and I got better very fast.
@fion1flatout10 ай бұрын
Hence the entire series of 'House' and also 'Doc Martin' eh.
@lisawhite988510 ай бұрын
@@fion1flatout Maybe?🤷♀️ Not exactly sure what you mean by that. I’ve never watched House and never heard of the other one😂
@Jitske33810 ай бұрын
Thanks, I learn a lot. Chevy is my personal favorite. Beautiful eyes and great what he can do at only 3 years!
@caobita10 ай бұрын
OMG how scary... thank God you recovered from that life threatening hepatitis. Great strategy for worming horses! The faces your horses made were hilarious. So good you mentioned the hand feeding again. This knowledge is so important. A friend of mine got bitten in the belly by his horse last week. He always hand feeds him carrots and there was one left in his pocket that day. He walked by his horse who started following him right away, knowing about the carrot. My friend started to walk faster and his horse sped up too, feeling entitled to get that carrot. The horse got impatient, lined up next to him, turned his head around and but him hard. I daw him a few days later and he showed me the bruise. I will forward this video to him so he understands that he really should stop the hand feeding
@cattymajiv10 ай бұрын
A horse that has never been hand fed must be wonderful to have! My friend has around 10 horses, and 1 that she has had for a year or so is getting really bratty! He's not pushy yet, but he is constantly trying for treats! I can't say anything because I've never had a horse of my own, but I wish I could. I feel like I do know what's best in this case, but there are likely 100 reasons why I don't! I'm just glad Steve thinks as I do. If I were to win a lottery, there would never be hand feeding. But I'll also never tell my much more experienced friend what to do or not do. I do ask her questions though, to stimulate discussions, and I learn a lot from her.
@caobita10 ай бұрын
@@cattymajiv it's always a good strategy to ask questions instead of telling someone what to do / not to do. It helps people understand and think about it and if a change for a better option is "their own idea", they can be more likely to go for it. Meanwhile, my friend watched Steve's video and he liked it a lot and understands why his horse bit him. I am pretty sure that he won't keep on hand feeding his horse 😊
@valerieboyce764410 ай бұрын
I have never even heard of hepatitis E. A, B and C, sure, but not E. As I am watching this, I am eating snacks out of a bowl, with my fingers after having been out for a trail ride in the snow. Very glad to hear this story...going to wash my hands now! 😊
@OnceUponaTimeline10 ай бұрын
Luckily probably not that easy to get unless you gargle with it or we'd all have it by now LOL!
@lsdev422910 ай бұрын
WOW, that was a scary story Steve and you didn't tell the whole story. So glad you recovered❤ This was a great episode! Thank you Tanya and Steven.🥰🇨🇦Sharon.
@OnceUponaTimeline10 ай бұрын
Seriously, I don't think there are any horse meds that are toxic to humans at low doses luckily. Better of just getting a few drops of that vs the stank water apparently.
@maryannelowe15510 ай бұрын
Great video as always. Just a thought for those new to your channel or to horses, you mentioned about the weight of the horse for the right amount of wormer, there may be those that are not sure how to weigh a horse. Maybe just a quick video on how to weigh your horse, may be beneficial to ensure those that might require this information. Thank you Steve and Tanya. Thank goodness you made a speedy recovery. Hope you've not had any health issues from this .
@chancellorism10 ай бұрын
Interesting to read their reactions to the worming: Chevy seemed shocked and Jimmy insulted. Sweet sensitive horses.
@margies590610 ай бұрын
Chevy has the most beautiful long eyelashes 😍 who praise God that you are okay and you overcame that horrible poisoning of your liver 😮 God has blessed you and your sweet family!! Tanya is really such an advocate for you by this demanding that some help comes to you when you were so ill. Love ya Tanya for your big heart🌟
@fergiepingo554810 ай бұрын
As alway, great info. Thanks. The only thing I would add would be a warning that horse wormer will kill dogs. Keeping your prepared wormer higher where dogs can't reach it would be reccommended. We are always learning (hopefully not the hard way on this one).
@dreed553010 ай бұрын
The faces they make after you worm them is too funny. Thanks to you both for sharing.
@kirstenk156510 ай бұрын
Super helpful lessons! Glad you’re here to tell them.
@leftnoname10 ай бұрын
Chevy lives to photobomb the videos. He is a very expressive horse.
@ruthkult653610 ай бұрын
Again, really wish I had known you back when I was doing horsey stuff! We're the same age, btw. It would have made such a difference with my 16.3 hand guy!! Also, so glad the doctors were able to figure out what your medical issue was and I have to say, I totally agree with Tanya! If parents had any idea that this was a risk I'm sure they would rethink what they are assuming is a harmless, cute video opportunity!
@kellygalvin777510 ай бұрын
Scary story about the water 😨 I’ve ended up with wormer in my mouth in the past tho😂probably do us good
@dd3wc10 ай бұрын
Always producing brilliant VLOGs on working with horses. I think this was an important VLOG, if for nothing else the conversation on hand feeding. I see so many people who think nothing of it … but like you’ve always intimated … one needs to think like a horse to understand the best way to teach and handle a horse. It’s just common sense and avoids the potential of problems down the road. I also liked the fact you pointed out what you feel is the best time to commence backing and riding. So many start when they’re young (two) and don’t give the horse sufficient time to mature. Like so many things, whether it be hand feeding or riding at a young age … just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Although I wasn’t taught not to feed a horse by hand … my Mom did teach me that four is age to commence riding and not before. Actually there was a horse that I absolutely fell in love with at 15, on a small parcel of land, around the corner from where we lived. My Mom wouldn’t consider buying her only because the woman backed her at two yrs of age … plus she was a heavy women. I was heart-broken to say the least. I think if I had gotten that horse (had she not been backed her), my life may have gone a much different course than it did. Anyhow … as always you have something worthwhile to say and teach to all … experienced or not! But I must admit, some of my favourite parts of the VLOGs are when you and Tanya are conversing back and forth! 😂 You demonstrate having a wonderful relationship … one that appreciates and respects the other person! Where’s Anita? Has she been bred yet? Does she come back to your place when she is in foal, or is she staying elsewhere? Oh my life … did you say you contracted Hep C? That’s shocking … and tell me there’s not a God who has a plan for us all! Do you know how fatal that disease can be? It sounds like from what you said your body recovered on its own! That’s amazing the fact you didn’t die, let alone your body healed itself! If you ever have concerns and/or question what you’ve done with your life … well don’t because I truly think you meant to help people, as you have over the years. So many lives have been touched (both two and four-legged) for the better … and in some cases have they’ve been given a new lease on life … all due to the gifts you share! Thank you so much … to both of you. You make a great team!!! God bless! Looking forward, as always, to the next VLOG. Happy Trails! 🙌🙏❤️🐎🍏🐴🥕💕🍎🇨🇦
@ljo060510 ай бұрын
Sounds like such an ordeal you went through Steve, so glad you're ok! Love how responsive Jimmy is with his flex 😊 will be great to see how he does being ridden in the future
@sue524210 ай бұрын
That story about the jaundice was super scary! I’m really glad it turned out ok. To the worming….I belly laughed at Chevys response. Way too funny. One of the things I learn from all your videos is to never waste anything…(ie always use the behaviors you teach them..in every day life). As always thank you
@sallyr.689110 ай бұрын
Great video Tanya and Steve. So glad you recovered - must have been scary. Keep hand cleansing wipes near the stalls for when you need to snack and work.
@ccline985610 ай бұрын
Thank you Steve and Tanya, this is going to help me with worming my horse soo much. He HATES wormer. He raises his head to the sky and refuses as soon as he sees the syringe. I'm gonna get him used to the syringe and molasses for a while before using his wormer. again. Brilliant!! Thanks again from Karter and I. ❤
@stolensilver696310 ай бұрын
Glad to see you have taken all those hooks off the stable doors.
@robynmartin202610 ай бұрын
just about to watch this vid, so I've not yet seen your technique. What I do now, is, lie my hand and wormer flat on their cheek with wormer at mouth ready to tilt in. I wait until they relax and stop moving etc, then slip it in. Works best for me now. Ok, to the vid!!
@robertscibana223610 ай бұрын
Love your videos…and i dont even have a horse! But your relationships with Tanya …..and the horses you work with,show what kind of man you are! Thanks you two…
@SusanVaughan-t2e10 ай бұрын
This opened my eyes to hand feeding! Totally get it now! You have a strong body Steve- thank God! You’re a wonderful person. I’ll sure be more careful around stagnant water now!!!
@clarekelso784110 ай бұрын
Oh Steve, we nearly didn’t have you. And Tanya, how damn scary. Whooo. Great you recovered. Thanks for that. All logic. Man, Jimmy is going to be huge. The two Palos are so good. Lovely to see you and hear from both of you, as always.
@tammyspurdle920810 ай бұрын
Another opportunity to see your beautiful horses and even your little dog too, thank you Steve and Tanya.❤
@pintsizestories19610 ай бұрын
I have also had good success with practicing by just putting fingers in my horse' s mouth so he gets used to the feel. I did it over a few days until he was super chill and then I did the worming. Previously, he would really pop his head and get very anxious.I also distract him right away after he gets the wormer so that he has less time to have a bad association with the taste of the medicine. I can do it now, no halter, just a hand on his nose.
@sophiabains514010 ай бұрын
I couldn't agree more with you re clicker training. Much prefere the methods of the western horseman ( not all the methods though!) I honestly believe the best horse people never get enough credit. That's probably what makes them so much better though!
@henrysmith18010 ай бұрын
You taught me something new, Steve! Thank you! That book, did you say the name is Horsemanship Through Feel?
@jenn_228110 ай бұрын
Yes, it's at 30:37
@laurajackson686010 ай бұрын
The horses reaction sent me into a fit of laughter. Of course, what you experienced, Steve I don't think could be more nightmarish. Thank you for sharing. ❤
@marthaagnew602221 күн бұрын
Appreciate this video! You and Tanya make a great team!
@yaelsoussan755410 ай бұрын
That's really important information. Your worming protocol is 100%, but informing us, your viewers, about the source of hep C is invaluable! Thank you for sharing
@butterfly1976Ай бұрын
So nice to see how relaxed this horse is u do the best job keep it up thank u for showing us🎉❤
@dianaconnick105810 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@StarlightGazer-pv3qx10 ай бұрын
Chevy has personality plus such a good character. Thank you for this video I never had thought of hand feeding like this great info. Love and light to you and yours 🌟
@Lizzie75710 ай бұрын
Yep. Learnt something from this vid: Keep your mouth shut when worming your horses!
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
lolol And also, drink fresh water, not old barrel water.
@carolleenkelmann382910 ай бұрын
Wonderful teaching video. Hard lesson learned with the stagnant water. Makes one appreciate the benefits of a civilized life. Chevy is growing on me. Hope he forgives you for tricking him.
@zinnia368410 ай бұрын
That’s called a miracle Steve. You’ve been blessed by a gift from God. Perhaps a thank you and acknowledgement to the God of Creation. Just a thought. 🙏
@jules829910 ай бұрын
You are so right about the hand feeding. This video is so informative. Thank you for all you do for horses and those of us who are always learning.
@jennyrosd200310 ай бұрын
Jimbobby boy is my favorite. Haaaa. Thanks for the tips. Very interesting and fun. I have a little spare/free quarter pony who is quite a head tosser although he gives his head to me for Halperin and brideling. Ill combine it all like this and I bet he will do better. I don't deworm often but it'll be fun to work on and probably help with other things as everything good can.
@tanyagriffith273710 ай бұрын
Great video!❤ Can you show us how the farrier is treating Jimmy's foot or is it just medication and rest for him?
@robinwilkes816410 ай бұрын
Im old school and rotate wormers every 3 months 😊
@carvex209210 ай бұрын
Hi, what about Nita do you do her or not as she is pregnant?
@Apb239 ай бұрын
My draft took the first dewormer but she spat out the second and we both had it all over us. So the vet said I could buy dewormer pellets that they take every day. They happily eat those with their pellets.
@Hans_Platforms10 ай бұрын
Thanks again for another informative and entertaining video! Love you all 😁✨💕
@bonniedeaton734910 ай бұрын
WOW! That had to be horrific! But Worm Free! Right? Sorry Bad Joke. So glad You are still with Us!❤
@chrism116410 ай бұрын
Wow - you are lucky to be alive! The wormer instruction was very helpful. The words under your video of you riding were very strange. How does someone put words on your video?
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
They are words to a popular song: This is part of the summary from Wikipedia: "For What It's Worth (Stop, Hey What's That Sound)" (often referred to as simply "For What It's Worth") is a song written by Stephen Stills. Performed by Buffalo Springfield, it was recorded on December 5, 1966, released as a single on Atco Records in December 1966 and peaked at No. 7 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the spring of 1967.[8]
@susanowens45289 ай бұрын
SNEEKY WAY TO WORM HORSES BUT SEEMS TO BE SAFER I THINK --WOW STEVE WHAT A STORY THANKS FOR SHAREING --WELL NO DIRTY WATER FOR YOU ANY MORE==😃😃😃😃GREAT VIDO
@robertchitchcocksculptor61878 ай бұрын
thanks Steve and Tanya - very informative video.
@GOINGCRAZYINTHEKITCHEN10 ай бұрын
Lovely video. Such a nice family you are ♥
@annfinch-cl1gl10 ай бұрын
Thanks for video info. Xx also you have to be careful with dogs eating it as well as its very poisonous to them too . Also do you worm count before hand xx
@RagamuffinM0M3 ай бұрын
Very informative! Alot of great information. Thank you for sharing.
@bindisuecassiesue429310 ай бұрын
I still wish Steve would do a video where he tell what you should do to horses and how often you do it, like worming also cleaning their teeth and cleaning the sheath of a male horse, my brother-in-law has had his for probably 20 years and never cleaned it and I seen on KZbin that 1 horse had cancer in his sheath but thankfully the owner caught it early cause she has the vet clean the sheath, people need to know male horses need their sheaths cleaned but I don't know how often, Steve would know, so he needs to put together a video on what things should be done to a horse and when and how often and how many times a year Please ask Steve to do one so New horse owners know.
@cynthiabechtel6110 ай бұрын
Hi Steve and Tanya. So interesting and terrifying (your hand in the horses mouth.) Worming 4 or 5 times? How often does a horse need to be wormed? Know nothing about horses, not an owner, but your videos absolutely captivate me. I appreciate you sharing your scary story about being ill and hospitalized, with Tanya fighting for you, or being a very strong advocate for you. You both give me encouraging hope that I will conquer my own health issues. Thank you again for sharing your life together and your expertise with these amazing, incredible creatures. Tanya, we share the same birthday! I love you and your family. Warm regards, Cynthia
@sarahrochester256110 ай бұрын
When I had my horse I used to struggle to worm him in the mouth the easiest way is to put some food in a bowl squirt the wormer in the bowl mix it up and give it to the horse
@KaliAZBeef10 ай бұрын
great book, sometimes it comes with an interesting book mark 😁
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video! It’s really helpful in many ways. Your teaching is always appreciated. 💛🧡❤️ 🤎🖤🤍🩶 And by the way, the words under the video are to a popular song: Here is part of the summary from Wikipedia: "For What It's Worth (Stop, Hey What's That Sound)" (often referred to as simply "For What It's Worth") is a song written by Stephen Stills. Performed by Buffalo Springfield, it was recorded on December 5, 1966, released as a single on Atco Records in December 1966 and peaked at No. 7 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the spring of 1967.[8]
@JustMe-sj2oe10 ай бұрын
Do you give the wormer on an empty stomach, in the morning before feeding? I might have missed hearing it if you had mentioned it. Thanks!
@TrueBeliever649110 ай бұрын
Good info and quite helpful.
@conniekenny382910 ай бұрын
Jimmy is such a cool dude 😁!
@MCrvngraddip201310 ай бұрын
Steve, could you go through the differences between western tack and English. I know physically they look different but why it is? Will be greatly appreciated 😊
@kathrynmurphy-ug5qf10 ай бұрын
And both geldings are filling out. Chevy is going to be like a tank, what an engine, at the rear xx
@valsummers53308 ай бұрын
Good stuff We use liquid Ivormec. Rather than paste As long as it gets in and anywhere in mouth good enough!
@robynmartin202610 ай бұрын
brilliant - great tips!!
@ejthompson272310 ай бұрын
How is Nita? Can we have an update on her? She is quite lovely 😊
@tammyspurdle920810 ай бұрын
Another interesting informative and entertaining video, thank you guys. ❤
@MaxNafeHorsemanship10 ай бұрын
It is not WHAT you do, but HOW you do it. I have been hand feeding treats for years and it has never been or created a problem. I have rules. The treat comes to the horse. The horse does NOT come to the treat. A horse is never allowed to "take" anything from me. I may give them something if I feel it is appropriate. Usually that have to do something to earn it, but the bottom line is I am in control of the treats and decide if they get one. That said, most horsemen will just say don't do it instead of trying to explain the right way to do it. BTW, the QH does not mature earlier. They just look like it because the QH has so much muscle. (I had a couple) but 4 isn't too young to start him. They are still not fully matured until about 6 like most horses.
@archangel80710 ай бұрын
Is Chevy the new performance horse?
@chrisusher714410 ай бұрын
To worm horse core and apple put wormer in not big big apple give apple your done
@jennyrosd200310 ай бұрын
What are the licks you use? Ive never seen a lottle lick tub here in the states.
@margrietoregan82810 ай бұрын
Oh yeah - by the way, putting apple sauce in the pre-treatment syringes can be quick, easy & effective …..
@BlueyKind10 ай бұрын
I immediately recognized the subtitles as the lyrics to Buffalo Springfield's "For What It's Worth". 🙂 Was that your choice for soundtrack?
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
Yes, but Buffalo Springfield only sang it. This is part of the summary from Wikipedia: "For What It's Worth (Stop, Hey What's That Sound)" (often referred to as simply "For What It's Worth") is a song written by Stephen Stills. Performed by Buffalo Springfield, it was recorded on December 5, 1966, released as a single on Atco Records in December 1966 and peaked at No. 7 on the Billboard Hot 100 chart in the spring of 1967.[8]
@lisasmith21168 ай бұрын
I keep hearing you mention Mel and was wondering if you could explain who she is and what she does at the ranch?
@jackcrespo290010 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing that. I'll try your method.👍
@pol217110 ай бұрын
What about Mr Darcy, did you worm him? How did that go? So sorry about your health issues but an important learning issue for us all. Thank you. xx
@naomihartman662310 ай бұрын
Chevy is so funny
@lisaanderson898410 ай бұрын
From which Dorrance book were you reading in this video? There's True Unity by Tom Dorrance and True Horsemanship through Feel by Bill Dorrance.
@kathrynmurphy-ug5qf10 ай бұрын
Another great video, poor Jimmy, in the PINKY RUG, JOKE XX
@mh824310 ай бұрын
How about a video getting a horse to take antibiotics, mine just spit it out even after few mins keeping there heads up ...any tips ?
@fion1flatout10 ай бұрын
Just bought a pony I've known for years...she was brought up hand-fed carrots by the bagful. She has the 'making our idea her idea' thing, she loves being out and about. She's really responsive and rides and drives.. but... She threatens to bite, argues about the route and worst, she is not confident and does not listen when I'm telling her something is ok. So, she's useless to drive and not really safe to ride, which is a shame. Trained but not broken. Really frustrating is that the hand-feeder knows she's making a mistake but still does it I am improving things I think, but I need to be vigilant every time I go in the stable and it's defo not relaxing
@OnceUponaTimeline10 ай бұрын
Hard to get any type of syringe in America at the pharmacy now, they act like you are a drug addict if you try to buy them LOL! In some states, it's legal for them to sell them but many won't in order to deter drug addicts from visiting their pharmacy. Always fun if you have a diabetic dog that needs insulin or you want to inject some b12 vitamin, may have to buy online and have it shipped.
@KaliAZBeef10 ай бұрын
veterinary supply - Jeffers, Valley Vet, etc - tons of places. some states may not allow but in general you can mail order or on line. or just wash out a used wormer syringe and use that.
@OnceUponaTimeline10 ай бұрын
Yep, as I already said, you can buy it online, just often not easily at the pharmacy anymore. Also it IS legal to buy them at the pharmacy here, it's just that most pharmacies have chosen not to sell to peeps without a scripts. @@KaliAZBeef
@stagnetto110 ай бұрын
How often do you worm your horses? I live in Spain and we worm every six months?
@madduck232310 ай бұрын
Did you tell them you got the wormer in your mouth?
@Lilligirl31910 ай бұрын
I hand feed and give treats and think it’s a wonderful tool. I’ve handled and broken in my last handful of horses without incident. Until I got my new mare. Lordy if she thinks you are going to give her a treat she becomes over excited and won’t concentrate on what you’re asking. Never seen anything like it 😅. So I’m having to break I habit myself now of giving treats.
@joannsmith98 ай бұрын
Did she have her foal?
@wendypeckinpaugh107810 ай бұрын
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@aj543410 ай бұрын
--Steve: Ok Chevy, time to take your medicine. --Chevy: But I don't want to Steve, it tastes yucky!
@jeanettejohansson518110 ай бұрын
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@CindiElbrecht10 ай бұрын
Amazing! Those houses are so well trained! Wish I had KZbin 40 years ago when i was young and dumb! And trying to ride Arabians ! Talk about. Flighty horse! So when you say no hand feed, that’s all treats%? Carrots, cubes, alpha?Like no thing by hand?
@louisegogel797310 ай бұрын
I think your autocorrect got to your words… with houses instead of horses. lol
@CindiElbrecht10 ай бұрын
Well…back then I probably thought I could ride a house also! Autocorrect, maybe…2 glasses of wine, more likely! At least thanks for reading my comment. @@louisegogel7973
@Psylaine6410 ай бұрын
Awww poor Chevy he really didnt like the taste of that at all did he lol
@ladeanbartlett253010 ай бұрын
He looks like he’s telling you off there for tricking him with the nasty stuff. 😂😂😂
@georgiascott577910 ай бұрын
If Chevy’s looks could kill !
@archangel80710 ай бұрын
Hand feeding treats seems OK when only one owner works with the horse. Problems can happen when a new rider/owner comes in.