Horseshoe Pass Ruined for motorcyclists

[@kevindarkstar]

Yeah that's what they have planned for limited speed all over the place, big liter bikes will be pointless soon, and they don't want us travelling around at will, they want to make personal transport as slow, uncomfortable and expensive as they can.

[@mickwall8]

Vote them out, sugar, vote them out.

[@kevindarkstar]

@@mickwall8 vote one devil out, and another one in ❎👿

[@cloudbasenirvana]

@@kevindarkstar Lab/Tory - Red/Blue - Left/Right > no matter what their manifesto states (voted in it goes in the bin) they all serve the same big corp anti-human terrorist puppet-master cabal and not the people.

[@arch6103]

Cyclist can average 20mph !?

[@boeos]

Tbh as an avid bike fan, Litre Bikes are pointless on british roads anyway.

[@michaeltelemachus5112]

Ponderosa is a no no for me since Wales got heavy handed. Since the 20mph law I will not go to Wales at all.

[@Vegplot]

20mph only applies to built up areas and not all of those.

[@pedalandpop783]

I wouldn't go before the 20mph limit...what a shithole

[@michaeltelemachus5112]

@@Vegplot It applies to the majority of those which were previously 30mph. Riding through towns is bad enough without 20mph. Crawling through Llangollen alone is enough to put me off.

[@Vegplot]

@@michaeltelemachus5112 Then it's working.

[@michaeltelemachus5112]

@@Vegplot It may be, but they will regret it. The expression 'cutting off your nose...' springs to mind.

[@steventostevin3085]

We the motorist just rolls over and says shaft me again could you imagine this happening in France

[@Martin3869]

I don't mean to be pedantic but it did happen in France last year? They reduced all the speed limits on non motorway roads through out the whole country.

[@steventostevin3085]

@@Martin3869 I never new that thank you and the french havent protested ?

[@dbharrold]

It has happened in France. Especially in little towns and villages.

[@dogmadogma5398]

We the British take it up the **** for EVERYTHING. Mass unsustainable immigration. Mass Council Tax. Mass "hidden" taxes (VAT, Nat Ins etc). Mass Green agenda costs. Massive n0bs in government !!!!

[@Martin3869]

@@steventostevin3085 not really, the Yellow Jackets did a bit but not very well publicised, it does make riding through France a bit tedious now if you venture of the main routes.

[@jamfen]

20 mph for air quality ! I'm sure it would take longer to get through the villages creating more pollution or am I wrong .

[@giostisskylas]

I've been living by the motto "legal, illegal, scheißegal" (legal, illegal, don't give a shit) for a long time. I no longer adhere to crazy laws and regulations. If the cops want something from me, they have to get me first (escape from the police is not illegal in Germany :)). For me, this is a kind of self-defense against a state that is out of control. Many biker greetings to Great Britain.

[@jamesgarrard4361]

Well said buddy Lach me am arsch POLITZI

[@Se_la_vie]

I'm illegally alive, had to go backwards after I rode down the bypass on a 8 hp bike, not single close call since I swapped my engine.

[@rogerramjet5302]

I ride and observe the 20mph zones however even when adopting position 2 in my lane am overtaken by 50% of cars and even the Tour de France brigade. Even serving police think this is ridiculous. I totally agree that some riding I see, like driving, is appalling but don't believe this is the answer. Then again it does create cash and continues the war on the motorist.

[@rottieman347]

I couldn’t agree more. It’s very frustrating being overtaken by a push bike. I came through Llanymynech today and they have the 20 mph signs ready to go. It’s quite interesting really, as half of the village is in England and the other in Wales. Does this mean we are now governed by Mr Drakeford. I wonder who is paying for the changes in legislation and signage.

[@114bob]

I don't care how fast or slow I ride as long as I'm riding

[@slartybartfarst9737]

Ridden since 1974 so 50 years now! Wow never totted that up before Ive always renovated bikes so lucky to have a collection and also have a place in the Isle of Man so I ride a few contrasts. My GSXR 1000 K5 is only at home in the Island. With consideration and respect for others the open limits can be used and quite frankly its now a strange feeling. Back in the UK Ive a 1970 Honda CB750 K0 that Ive had for 35 years and that is now almost perfect for UK roads although it prefers 90 mph but with its 4 pipes and big bars trickles along making a pleasant sound. The one bike that creates the least kerfuffel allowing you to chill out is my Zero SRF electric, I actually love the silence. But having been T boned as Im doing 15mph! 6 weeks in hospital with a double compound fracture to my left leg and probably 2 years recovery pretty much says it all for me. I slowed from 40 to 15 in a 60 to go passed a van waiting to pull out and they still floored it! Speed limits would do nothing, unobservant drivers texting is my biggest problem in the UK. Not in the Isle of Man, no one texts as you will get caught its a cultural no no , people pull over to text, its noticeable people are more observant, the riding is safer. Unfortunately this one example of a country still free from nanny state mentality where the laws are based on mutual respect will probably make little difference to Europe/UK.

[@IANRPARKER]

Wishing you a swift recovery.

[@williamcoulter5462]

I have been trying to plan a trip for next year having done Scotland twice as it was bad enough with the 20mph in towns and villages but the NC500 is being dug up for broadband and the A82 is like one big chicane with roadworks every few miles so looks like Wales is out now so the North of England will get my money next year by the looks of things.

[@keithriley3159]

Take the turning at 1:07, it's national speed limit and be sure to ride at it, that'll piss em off. Brings you out behind the Ponderosa

[@zenzen9131]

They've done the same to a couple of goodroads down here in the South too. Black Mountain pass and the Rhigos are 40mph too now

[@2LXCKYY]

Just do what I do, go past at 40 mph first, check for po po and then go back up at 80mph hahahah

[@rickhughes811]

How do you think us locals feel about it travelling to and from work every day ..................Plus other roads are average 50 zones too

[@Vegplot]

I'm not surprised it's gone down to 40mph. It's overly popular and bikers have a habit of being a bit silly treating like a track day. We only have ourselves to blame.

[@DavidBrown-sr8di]

Looks like the Ponderosa will close down thanks to Drakeford

[@tommyvandor6557]

At 1:06 on video take the right for Pentredwr and go up the lane behind the Ponderosa Cafe to break the monotony

[@tombartram7384]

The only way round these crazy speed limits is to go back to your roots. Get an rxs 100 with trimmed down L plates and doing 40 will be a laugh again.

[@johncummins3860]

Not in a 20 !!

[@tombartram7384]

@@johncummins3860 oh in that case ... noticed how much Raleigh Choppers are going for?

[@Motorized-BikerUk]

Ahhh a yamaha rxs 100... Them were the days. Expensive bikes now though.

[@peterduffield1934]

I saw this and googled the Horse Shoe Pass and motorcycle rider casualties. I think there were 3 separate mentions of bikers being airlifted to hospital on the first page. This is why most of Derbyshire had the national speed limit roads reduced. When you are out and about in these areas look at the holes in the hedges and dry stone walls often caused by bikers whose ambition outstripped their ability. It’s a sad fact but bikers have ruined their own pass time. I speak as a life long motorbike rider who was taken out by a car failing to give way at cross roads and putting me in hospital for three months via air ambulance.I watch the racing on telly now. Stay safe everyone.

[@volt8684]

Your facts on rider casualties are completely wrong

[@peterduffield1934]

@@volt8684 I hope they are. I used to love riding this road myself. When I googled this it was just a snap shot off the first page of google. I am not a statistician just a bloke using google. I’d like to think that the bean counters that decide road traffic regulations are more thorough. It can’t be denied that not every biker knows how to ride a bend and every loss of life and serious injury is sad.

[@Trevor_Austin]

@@peterduffield1934The holes in walls and hedges are more likely to be cars.

[@MrWhothefoxthat]

i was up there 2 week ago, some farmer had spilt diesel for miles along that route.

[@nicolaf970]

Wales is introducing a 20 mph speed limit where it was once 30 mph I hear! You will glad to get up to forty mph 😂 The time of big fast bikes is over in the uk by the looks of things. 😢

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Nah. I still go along the M69 & M45 at Hayabusa speeds...

[@carlarthur4442]

I hear now they want to ban Motorbikes altogether, we need to get these Bds out and get net zero B S banned 😑

[@mbingham10]

I used to love this run on a weekend, but I wont be going again with the new speed limits in place it’s ridiculous I go north now, the scenery isn’t so appealing in places but at least I can watch the road not just the speedometer its a shame thats more revenue lost for Wales

[@J.Harry.T]

What’s the rush? Relax and take in the lovely scenery.

[@speedfinder1]

40 MPH? You are lucky to be able to travel at such a high speed! Guernsey in the channel Islands recently dropped a load of their 35mph limits to 25mph. Country lanes and roadworks diversions are now 15 MPH! However, if you ride a bicycle, none of the traffic regulations whatever they might be, apply to you! Ride safe!

[@GAS1200]

There is a big difference...you live on a small island. This is mainland Britain run by control freak morons....controlling motorists! In anyway possible ULEZ,Speed restrictions Cameras Galore, even decibel monitoring. Crazy World is an understatement!

[@davidrussell3890]

Have to get one of those electric bikes like the Lightning LS 218

[@whathasxgottodowithit3919.]

If you like exciting Mountain Passes try the Furka Pass, Grimsel Pass, and the Susten Pass all close to Interlaken - Switzerland. Amazing high quality roads, spectacular views, visit any time between June and September.

[@davecooper3238]

There is a blind junction in the 40 limit at about one minute fifteen into the video. Since I stared riding in 1960 nine people I have known have ended up loosing. A limb, part of a limb or their life because of accidents involving side turns. I would say that one junction alone is reason enough for the 40 limit.

[@MHLivestreams]

People died around this area, fools from out of town, lack of control, excess speeds, etc. losing heads in helmets, head on crashes, you name it. That's partly the cause of the lowered limits. Locals aren't as likely to smash, because they know the roads and their dangers.

[@johnhorner769]

If they lower the limit any further you'll need to be a trials rider to get up there.

[@alancook9363]

There's always stabilisers 😮🤣 😂

[@wallabybob3020]

Same thing happening to one of the most glorious riding roads in Australia (Tomewin Mountain Road) . Speed limit reduced to sod all and coppers hiding in trees (I kid you not!) with speed guns at every turn. Hardly worth having a decent bike any more.

[@derekp2674]

Thanks for the footage and great to see a Buell in the car park! Also great to see you riding an 'RT and not yet another GS. I agree 40mph looks like an unreasonably slow limit there. I doubt they'd dare put such a low limit on a road that actually was a main through route. That said, when I lived up that way, Denbigh Moor was my favourite mountain road.

[@vincentmckenna1755]

That's OK until you get a car going over the limit pushing your rear wheel

[@andrewbennett7756]

Took me a time to realise ,we used to go off roading near Bala green laneing we won't go it takes us to long now it's all 20 mph I feel sorry for you mate my 1979 defender struggled at 20 we used to go up to see all the great bikes now we have to find somewhere else it will kill the tourist industry stay safe it a dam stupid idea

[@elderlemon8020]

1:05 I think road on right also goes up to Ponderosa. Its a national speed limit. No chance of going that fast up there.

[@mikecavell8283]

The reason for the reduced speed limit is to make bikers , who we are told to think about, think, and stop killing themselves all over our lovely countryside! If every biker slowed just a bit, more would live to an older age and, and be able to enjoy the sights and sounds of the countryside. As an ex biker and now car driver I despair over the number of times I see bikers with complete disregard for the rules and other road users just do ‘their thing’. They think because their vehicle is more nimble and able to manoeuvre quicker that it doesn’t matter what others think, it seems that the attitudes of a lot of road users , now consider themselves to be invulnerable and above the law! This includes a lot of car drivers who think because they have indicated this gives them the right to just pull into lines of traffic or change lanes with impunity. I’m glad that I am coming to the end of my driving career because with the lack of police patrols there seems to be anarchy taking over!

[@gasman6163]

from September the default in Wales for most roads is 20mph. it will kill the economy and tourism

[@BibtheBoulder]

I stopped going to Wales 25+ years ago when it sunk in how much they hate the English.

[@gasman6163]

@@BibtheBoulder to be fair as far as I can work out they hate everyone who isn't a bicycle riding vegan

[@sicks6six]

Ride looks good. My favourite is honistor pass during the night. Nothing on the roads.high beam see for miles and the deer seems to want to lit up

[@ConstantGeekery]

I don't mind speed limits, but when they are artificially low like this, it just means you are distracted all the time: watching the speedo instead of the road.

[@malverned382]

Buy a smaller / slower / older bike, more and more roads will go the same way, and the people who caused the problem will moan the most (rider of 50 years here speaking).

[@blackvanandrobin6413]

I suppose at least 40mph gives you time to have a smoke and a brew on the way up. Oh they have banned that as well

[@phaedracleary1154]

There is no way the is compliant as being a 40 mph speed limit in countryside with virtually zero frontal development and I work as a Traffic Engineer. It is intended to put off motorcyclists using this road so they will go elsewhere and they will succeed. Another case of nimbys getting their way because they want this area all to themselves.

[@rottieman347]

It's just my opinion, but The roads were perfectly safe for competent and speed compliant riders beforehand. You will always get idiots ruining it for the majority. The day I recorded this, I witnessed numerous Hot hatches driving like complete idiots with their brains in their feet. As a former Police Traffic Officer, now retired, I can only suspect this is another money making exercise. I do not use Welsh Roads as a Race Track, simply to enjoy motorcycling as my hobby. Ride safe one and all.

[@lesfletcher2473]

I believe the noise of open exhausts have a lot to do with this. I ride a bike but don't use a loud exhaust. I live in the sticks and know what it like to endure the screaming exhausts. I don't think anyone with loud exhaust as any right to complain about stupidly low speed limits when they have only them selves to blame . Years ago when not so many bikes on roads you hardly saw a speed camera,police, or sill speed limit s.

[@rottieman347]

@@lesfletcher2473 I ride a BMW R1200RT with stock exhaust. I'm certainly not a noise or speed merchant. I fully agree that it is the few who spoil it for the rest of us. There is nothing on the Horseshooe Pass except the Ponderosa and sheep, neither of which should be bothered by noise. I firmly believe this is just another money making exercise. For those who ride sensibly there is no danger. For those who drive/ride like idiots, all the speed limits in the world won't deter them.

[@ulovemymum2963]

@@lesfletcher2473nothing wrong with loud exhausts you snowflake

[@ianholmes1468]

I have had a great time on a bike over the years , but as time and technology and the advance of speed the power of a modern motor cycle and cars the way some people ride or drive them and the thought that any road is there private race track ! The risks , the fun , the enjoyable experience ! But the war on speed , fun and enjoyment ! It's a crime ! They make a vast amount of money from fines ,! But if you are involved in an accident the cost of the accident to others and the recovery , the people around the country who have been out enjoying the roads and the country side will be the victim of the few who don't care , the population who live in the country side have had enough of every week end of noise and fast bikes \ cars going past there homes ,

[@BrianWhite-s5o]

I’d have been going to fast to see the 40 sign lol

[@kghwanadoo]

Sussex cc have just done the same on one of my local roads, there seems to be no reasoning behind it, no accident black spots, not dangerous,it’s a rural stretch of road between two villages, I don’t understand it!

[@petecurran3995]

Too many goons prepared to mess it up for themselves which then affects everyone else. And now I hear of some Euro-prat who's proposing overtakes by motorcyclists should be made illegal. Go figure.....

[@jimc-59]

Its a crying shame along with Wales\Welsh 20MPH blanket. Put me and my mates off going to the Ponderosa again and I dnt think we will be the only ones. Ironically the Ad that popped up half way through this was for "Visit Wales" 😄

[@patthewoodboy]

as a motorcyclist I dont see how its ruined ... it still there and you can ride it , but just cant ride it like a complete A hole. Blame the A holes who rode it at over 100

[@jamesmc1272]

The only way to end this attack of freedoms is to vote them out. Labour didn't say in their manifesto that they would have a blanket 20mph limit throughout the country. You've been conned by Drakeford.

[@Davidlouis3]

Good camera view

[@ttblade]

If you can't understand something done by politicians, look at the outcome and you will have the reason. The Welsh Labour government does not want you driving or riding a motor vehicle. From the comments on here they have succeeded as so many say they will not drive or ride in Wales again. Job done!

[@neil4371]

Make an elastic cover to go over your number plate

[@mfh848]

I use a shower cap.

[@Tojj29]

What a waste. If ever there was a road waiting to be "ridden", that looks like it. Never ridden it myself, don't think I'd bother now. Stay safe bud

[@ohyeh845]

Slow down , take your time, enjoy the view.

[@mikethomas2138]

It was never that good anyway. Much better roads in the area. But these days if you want to go fast, pay for a track day.

[@daigriffiths399]

Although I'm guilty of barrelling up and down the Horseshoe at 60-70mph speeds in the past decades, I can see the positive side of the 40mph speed limit. You get to see more of what's going on around you instead of that intense focus you need at higher speeds. IMO sometimes a speed limit isn't all bad.

[@donaldsivewright903]

I believe the Horseshoe pass is about 4miles long in which case the difference in time required to drive over at 40mph compared to the previous legal limit of 60mph is only two minutes so what’s the problem, it’s only two extra minutes for Gods sake how is that going to affect your life? The problem is bikers wanting to go over it at ridiculous speeds , just chill and enjoy the scenery.

[@stevegoodger1740]

It's probably put in place because of people speeding? Those that see this? Know who are guilty of this?

[@geofwassell]

It doesnt surprise me at all. There are people in this country who dont have any spark of adventure or imagination and those people have found themselves hobbies which dont actually cost them much in terms of money or specialist knowledge or skill or ability or imagination . In this case they found a hobby of "spoiling somebody elses party " They have lowered the speed limit in order to "heroically" save lives and save the planet and make the world a better place for future generations and of course to make their mark on other peoples existence.

[@druidlx2674]

vote Labour and this what you get, Starmer said he going to use Wales as a blueprint for England

[@steveandthedogs]

Keep voting Tory and see what you get.

[@AdamJonesPhoto]

Inevitable really as majority of bike riders ambition exceeds their ability. I'm a bike racer and road rider but most bikes go way too fast. Sorry.

[@BibtheBoulder]

At last, a comment telling it how it is. I strongly suspect the number of bike crashes coupled with the reckless abandon more than just a few ride with is the reasoning behind this. As usual it is a few who spoil it for the majority.

[@StreetBob-tn1ed]

hasnt everybody got the message thay dont want us in wales i think its breacon thats going to start testing the new noise meter soon

[@arcboutant]

40mph is political regime overkill. No where near enough dwellings to warrant it. 50 mph would be acceptable.

[@BibtheBoulder]

But all bike riders don't adhere to the limit (just read some of the comments above). I suspect a few idiots have thus ruined it for the decent majority.

[@johnjeromson3471]

Just ride in first gear at high revs. The noise will drive the nimbys scatty.

[@ScudoCamper]

Seems normal on a 125. 😅

[@BibtheBoulder]

lol.....love it, and true.

[@Spartacus673]

I was told the speed limit changed because a biker had a accident and died 🤷‍♂️

[@ulovemymum2963]

Car drivers have died on many occasions! Did they change the limit then? No, bikers are the excuse they need to

[@wobblyrod779]

Most of the roads in this area are now ridiculous on speed limits and th A roads are covered with average speed cameras. SOME areas its a kin joke!

[@marksmith8663]

I’m probably going to sell my super duke in spring . Just stick to track riding before they band that .

[@andyscooter5753]

Alot of these speed reductions, are to try and keep more from accidents. As so many are killed or badly injured from driving \ riding at stupid speeds, Wales being rather high in RTC from bad driving / riding.

[@ShakyShaky-ju7id]

Complete and utter tosh, and abuse of decisive power.

[@cabovermike]

Maybe because it's not the height of summer but more atmosphere on the moon than at the ponderosa in this video, ive not been there for a few years but it was always buzzing back then , jam packed with loads of sports bikes and gungho riders from near and far, times have changed and not for the better , i guess weve all got older and wiser and sports bikes replaced with tourers and adventure bikes,.draconion speed limits are the final nail in the coffin for many riders,.sad,.

[@paulgiggs3879]

I'm afraid the Nobheads are in charge of making the rules. You don't need to look any further than the mayor of West Midlands. 🤦‍♂️

[@TonVerkleijT3]

What's the point of a 40mph road sign when there is no speed control? Sod it and take your own speed.

[@Arthur_Pint]

What a load of drivel ! Motorcyclists never obeyed the 60 mph limit so why would anyone expected them to stick to the 40 mph!?

[@garethmayfield4014]

never ride that road anyway, as its where plod hangs out trying to justify their expensive shinny toys!!!!

[@AHoundOnAHonda]

Their toys have shins??

[@RobertJones-s9b]

Unfortunately, it's people completely ignoring the previous 60 mph limit and doing 70-80-90 plus that has caused this. when will the arse in the air sport bike riders ever learn 🤔

[@rottieman347]

Quite agree, they've spoilt it for everyone

[@johncummins3860]

Rubbish, if that were the case it would only be 40 on Sundays !!

[@ColinAtkins-j3h]

In Andalusia it's 20 kilometers that's about 12 mph anywhere there footpaths it's ridiculous the cats walk faster 😂😂😂😂😂👍🦊

[@philipbassett5129]

Sadly, this nonsense is likely to become much more common. So called “progressive” councils across Europe embrace the principles of Scandinavian road safety organisation Vision Zero (nothing to do with “Net Zero”) whose aim is in their name, zero road deaths, which in their view can only be achieved by dramatically slashing speed limits (and alarmingly for us, discouraging and ultimately phasing out, motorcycle use). If you’ve riding in Europe in recent years you will have noticed that many 90kph roads are now 70 and 50 and the national speed limits in France and Belgium have been reduced from 90 to 80 kph. Labour and the Lib Dem’s are signed up to Vision Zero and their councils fully embrace it. The 20mph blanket urban limit in Wales is also inspired by VZ. Since May’s local elections are likely to result in a lot more councils being run by progressives, unfortunately a lot more national limits are going to be 40mph roads in the next few years. It’s crazy, but they’re not listening and are determined to do it. It’s not helped by people using noisy exhausts and being too public about breaking the existing limit, as complaints by locals about “noisy, speeding bikers” (and drivers) are giving councils the excuse to do what they’ve done on the Hordeshoe (and incidentally the scenic B500 in the Black Forest in Germany which is now 50kph). Stealth is definitely the way to go.

[@davidmurphy726]

I've stopped going to North Wales on the bike. There's no fun in watching your speedo all day long.

[@Shoreditch]

Spring time sheep preservation

[@robertiddon9270]

I won't be going to Wales this year, if fact all the bikers I know say they won't be going either, your loss Wales 🤔🤔 I will spend my money elsewhere.

[@ianyoung2696]

It's a shame but it's the world we live in today, to many idiot's out on the roads & not justice bikers . Seems like alot of road user's have forgotten how to drive / ride . The days of enjoyable biking is few & far between. And don't get me started on load exhausts .

[@ulovemymum2963]

Loud exhsusts make car drivers notice you 👍

[@karloldham-fp6hq]

The be honest the people of Wales voted Labour in. If there’s an election this year vote them out

[@steveandthedogs]

And get the Tories in? Look at what they have done to the whole of the UK.

[@paulf2898]

Haha all that money on bikes,tyres,tax,riding gear, insurance just to pootle at 40mph 😂😂 only in Britain

[@grantrussell2076]

You get to better admire the countryside views now :)

[@baz5806]

This is how they plan to get the milage out of electric bikes, restrict all the good roads 40 or less 😂

[@dr2stroke611]

oh dear... try it on a moped instead..

[@114bob]

Fast,slow I don't care as long as I'm rading

[@vicfdez7830]

40 mph is fair for the road conditions. If you want to speed better look somewhere else. At that speed now you really can appreciate the landscape.

[@rottieman347]

Forgive me but exactly where in my post do I infer that I wish to speed or break the law?

[@patmays7344]

It’s getting quite ridiculous? These modern machines are designed to go quickly, and emit less pollutants, but, making them go slower, increases the emissions. And it’s all so utterly pointless, in the first place? It’s big brother!

[@AS-br6wd]

Come on all the bikers looking at this know, in their hearts, this is about speeding!. Mixture of "kids" and middle-aged men on superbikes tearing around thinking it's the Isle of Man TT track. It's the same between devils bridge and any of the connecting roads to Lancaster .... we have only got our fellow brother bikers to blame .... we are a minority that isn't particularly liked!

[@paulf2898]

Boring Britain 😂 no smoking drinking fun ,even the weather's sh!t 😂

[@AdrianRouse-e1f]

Just think of the lives you just saved. All those people . Isnt it great.

[@timekiller7020]

i think it should be 25 all the way up to the ponderosa, you never know when a child will jump out Infront of u on that pass road.

[@cabovermike]

More likely to be a sheep than a child on that road,.

[@LemonDrizzleGang]

I live locally and sorry you are talking utter rubbish

[@guyowen9727]

Get a plate flipper fitted

[@Theorangeman.]

This is not a fast road so dont see the deal

[@gregtaylor6146]

Quite right...... PUBLIC ROADS are not your playground to do with as-you-please luvvie!!

[@shopaccount6446]

Our country belongs to us…. The government is our employee… we need to understand they do not rule us we rule them…

[@lubeoil1400]

I used to call in at the Ponderosa most weekends, it was always busy. Now I won't go into wales, due to draconian speed limits I just take my money elsewhere...