Theology of the Holy Spirit w/ Pastor Mike Winger

[@triciapalese714]

As an ex Jehovah's witness, and now a Christian, I am struggling to understand the Trinity. This teaching has helped me a lot, as well as your other teachings on the Trinity and Jehovah's witnesses. Thank you SO MUCH! Your ministry is a huge help and blessing. God bless you.

[@SaintOfRage]

It really is wondrous, the doctrine of the Trinity. It's clearly taught, such that it's impossible to deny, yet it's still so confusing for us. You can get quite a bit of clarity from scripture, but that's all we'll be able to reach until we're in Eternity with Him. There is a diagram that helps you keep it logically sound in your head as far as the Son, the Spirit, and the Father all being God, but not being one another (look up "Trinity Diagram" in an image search engine). I'm very glad to hear you are no longer a Jehovah's witness, and glad you are in the family. Peace and God bless!

[@i-asiahfrazier6812]

If you clicked for the lesson start at 31:14

[@michaarlene]

Beautiful teaching of the Holy Spirit and revelation of the blessing of His presence in our lives. Thank you pastor. 🙏🏻

[@sandybradshaw1879]

I am truly blessed by your teaching. Thanks 🙏🎶

[@claudiozanella256]

The bishops of Nicaea correctly understood that "the Father" is the "NORMAL" almighty God (no one has ever seen or known him, Jn.17:24,25 ), "the Son" is a second divine Person, but with "the Holy Spirit" they made a major blunder when thinking He is a THIRD divine Person. That's not true, the "Holy Spirit" is EXACTLY THE FATHER, only this time in a PARTICULAR FORM: in the form of a spirit. He originates from the "normal Father" nobody ever knew (but the Son). The bishops could figure that out from the Jesus' statement that THE FATHER IS A SPIRIT. That statement is reliable because Jesus even makes a pun on it "those who worship Him must worship IN SPIRIT and truth." That statement, combined to the Jesus' statement regarding ONLY TWO POSSIBLE BLASPHEMIES against the Son and the HOLY SPIRIT, were to hint that "HOLY SPIRIT" is just a NAME given by Jesus to the FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT ! In short, Jesus has the "FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT" and calls him sometimes "Father," sometimes "Spirit" (Holy) depending on circumstances, but these are just TWO NAMES to identify exactly the SAME ONE Father. You can find a confirmation: the Holy Spirit is in Jesus, but ONLY the Father is with Jesus "I am not ALONE because the Father is with me" (repeated many times in all different ways). Hence, the Holy Spirit with Jesus can only be THE FATHER: the ONLY ONE who is there with Him, there are NO MORE PERSONS! "Father" and "Holy Spirit" are thus TWO EQUIVALENT TERMS to identify the same Person, so that when the former is used in an event, the latter is not used and vice versa. Thus, you can see that the Holy Spirit dealing with Mary's pregnancy is THE FATHER. Indeed - as a matter of logic - the Father of Jesus can be none other than.... THE FATHER! This is confirmed by the fact that the power of THE FATHER "the power of the Most High" is used and not the power of an alleged third divine person. The term "Father" is not used there because the term "Holy Spirit" is used. This also means that at the baptism of Jesus there are only TWO divine Persons - FATHER and SON - because HE WHO SPEAKS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT! Also in this event the term "Father" is not used because the term "Holy Spirit" is used instead. Well, it was very simple: Jesus states DOZENS OF TIMES in the gospels - in all various ways - that God is made (A) by the Father and (B) by the Son. PERIOD. Since Jesus in all those statements picks the term "Father," He never mentions the term "Holy Spirit". For example here the term "Father" is used and the term "Holy Spirit" is not used "As for that day and hour, no one knows, neither the angels in heaven nor the Son, but only the Father." You can appreciate that - when even the ANGELS (!) are taken into account - no alleged third divine person is present there. In short, Jesus NEVER says that a THIRD PERSON IS WITH HIM and NEVER states that God is a TRIUNE GOD. The bishops of Nicaea should have simply accepted Jesus' words, rather than INVENTING a "Lord giver of life" that nobody has ever seen, or heard.

[@ailk2606]

Why then does Jesus command to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? Good Father is a person; God Son is a person. Why include the Holy Spirit if he is not a person? Why would it be blasphemous to baptize in the Name of the Father, Son and Claudio zanella? Because the latter is not the same as the two former.

[@claudiozanella256]

@@ailk2606 When the bishops of Constantinople don't understand something, that is THEIR PROBLEM. They were supposed to ACCEPT Jesus' words as they are - He is only with the Father, "My Father is greater than me" - not TO TWIST them in order to fit their bogus ideas! The gospels perfectly identify who is the Holy Spirit: 1. The four gospels definitely disclose ONLY ONE "Father - Son" relatioship, THERE IS NO DOUBT that no SECOND relationship of Jesus exists, I can quote 50 verses! 2. Jesus sometimes even EXPLICITLY states to be ONLY with the Father: "I am not ALONE because the Father is with me" i.e. just Father and Son (other ones can be quoted). 3. Jesus states that the Father is a spirit "God is a spirit" (Jn. 4:23,24) 4. Thus Jesus is ONLY with the FATHER WHO IS A SPIRIT. 5. This means that only TWO blasphemies can exist: either A. against the Son or B. against the "Father who is a spirit" 6. Those TWO blasphemies were discussed by Jesus: blasphemy against the "Father who is a spirit" (called "Holy Spirit" by Jesus") will not forgiven, neither in this world, nor in the future world. "Holy Spirit" is just a "spirit-name" given by Jesus, i.e. the Father can either called "Holy Spirit" or "Holy Father" by Jesus. 7. To recap, ONLY ONE (divine) SPIRIT exists! He is the Father. No helper-spirit exists. Now the problem is to FIGURE OUT what is the meaning of "God being a spirit", is God ALWAYS a spirit? No. Not only myself, even the inventors of the trinity doctrine realized that in the gospels the God's actions are not taken DIRECTLY BY GOD but always by means of the SPIRIT OF GOD (the Holy Spirit). Therefore they called Him "the Helper". However you can see above that the Spirit of God is not an "Helper" (a third divine person), rather He is the almighty "God who is in the form of a spirit". But since "God NOT taking actions" is clearly DISTINCT from "God who is a spirit and who takes actions", this means that "distinct God" must, of necessity, be the "NORMAL GOD". The only explanation why He doesn't personally take actions is that He is ABSENT, AWAY, in a DIFFERENT (temporal) DIMENSION." Not that anyone has seen the Father, EXCEPT THE ONE who is from God; He has seen the Father. ". "The world has not known you" (Jn. 17, 24-26), i.e. nobody EVER KNEW GOD in his "normal form", only the Son DID it, that is in the past, not anymore. From the Jesus' answer to Philip you get confirmation that the "normal" Father is NOT AVAILABLE: the only way to (somehow) see the Father is to see Jesus! But even when being ABSENT, God is of course able to be ACTIVE here! Since you have a "presence of God" - but at the same time NOBODY is actually here - you can say that God is present "like a spirit" here. The "Spirit of God" is thus a kind of "GOD'S EXTENSION" reaching from a distant God to us to take actions here, see Mary's pregnancy, see the words spoken when Jesus was baptized, see leading Jesus in the desert and his whole life, see entering in people to leading them. Thus in the baptismal formula the Father is included twice: "normal" and as the "Father who is in the form of a spirit".